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Post by dawhite76 on Oct 11, 2012 10:21:07 GMT -5
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Post by mikem on Oct 11, 2012 10:25:49 GMT -5
Amen.
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Post by rsmatto on Oct 11, 2012 10:39:08 GMT -5
Folks, before the early 1990s when they went to an airplay only format, the Billboard genre singles charts was ALWAYS a mixture of sales and airplay data.
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Post by McCreerian on Oct 11, 2012 10:47:24 GMT -5
Just like people say to traditional Country lovers, times change and things move on. So that can be said about traditional chart lovers too!  |
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Post by jenglisbe on Oct 11, 2012 10:53:02 GMT -5
My issue isn't with the inclusion of sales; that's fine and makes sense.
My issue is that Country Songs will now include airplay from non-country stations. WTH? "We Belong Together" tanked at country radio and isn't getting support from there, yet it's the #1 country song because of its crossover airplay and its downloads (and we know its downloads are being spurred by pop play, not country). That makes no sense to me.
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Post by layne on Oct 11, 2012 10:53:17 GMT -5
Well, this is going to stop the revolving door of #1 songs.
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Post by Uncle Lumpy on Oct 11, 2012 10:55:40 GMT -5
Before the early 90's genre lines weren't so blurred as they are today. I would assume this new way of tabulating the charts will only encourage songs like We Are Never Ever Ever Ever Ever Getting Back Together to be multiple week number ones. Thanks to their "secret recipe" , I've never cared much for Mediabase , but yeah..... I'm ready to start cheerleading for that system.
EDITED : Because I didnt finish reading the article or checking the chart. Yeah, screw Billboard.
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Post by dawhite76 on Oct 11, 2012 10:56:53 GMT -5
At least airplay and sales were fairly aligned back when. You cannot say that today especially when airplay and sales from other genres are factoring into the new country chart. Taylor is No. 1 this week on the country chart thanks to the airplay and sales she is obtaining from pop fans and pop radio, not country. Doesn't it seem a bit off to rank a song No. 1 country when it is only No. 36 in the format's airplay?
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Post by layne on Oct 11, 2012 11:00:29 GMT -5
At least airplay and sales were fairly aligned back when. You cannot say that today especially when airplay and sales from other genres are factoring into the new country chart. Taylor is No. 1 this week on the country chart thanks to the airplay and sales she is obtaining from pop fans and pop radio, not country. Doesn't it seem a bit off to rank a song No. 1 country when it is only No. 36 in the format's airplay? In fairness, it would be higher on the airplay chart if she hadn't released the second single to country. It was top 20 or above at one time and maybe it wouldn't have gotten higher but I think it would still be getting a decent amount of airplay. |
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Post by dawhite76 on Oct 11, 2012 11:08:49 GMT -5
The second single was released since country radio was rejecting the obvious pop sound of the first.
This change could actually cause more country acts to veer even further into pop sounding music as a way of manipulating the country chart. If an artist can get airplay and sales from outside the format, they will be more likely to climb and remain on the country charts now than when only country airplay was a factor.
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Post by jenglisbe on Oct 11, 2012 11:09:44 GMT -5
At least airplay and sales were fairly aligned back when. You cannot say that today especially when airplay and sales from other genres are factoring into the new country chart. Taylor is No. 1 this week on the country chart thanks to the airplay and sales she is obtaining from pop fans and pop radio, not country. Doesn't it seem a bit off to rank a song No. 1 country when it is only No. 36 in the format's airplay? In fairness, it would be higher on the airplay chart if she hadn't released the second single to country. It was top 20 or above at one time and maybe it wouldn't have gotten higher but I think it would still be getting a decent amount of airplay. Regardless, it was obvious the song only debuted at #13 because of initial hype (and bought airplay) and then struggled once country listeners heard it. Does anyone actually consider it a country song? And more than that, does anyone actually consider it the #1 country song right now? That's the issue. |
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Post by dajross6 on Oct 11, 2012 11:10:29 GMT -5
The article on billboard.com does state that the airplay chart will still continue, the same way there is Hot 100 Airplay. I guess that's still the chart to follow.
In other news, congrats to Taylor Swift on your chart domination with the #1, #2 (un-released song), and #10 song. Nothing like #1 debuts constantly to keep everyone on their toes
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Post by michellef on Oct 11, 2012 11:10:38 GMT -5
omg how embarrassing.... posts from taylor's thread already taking this new chart to heart and thinking that it actually means something...
"As long as Taylor gets another #1 I'm happy :)"
"This is her 7th #1 on Hot Country Songs. She should easily hit 10 by next year."
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Post by jenglisbe on Oct 11, 2012 11:11:27 GMT -5
The second single was released since country radio was rejecting the obvious pop sound of the first. This change could actually cause more country acts to veer even further into pop sounding music as a way of manipulating the country chart. If an artist can get airplay and sales from outside the format, they will be more likely to climb and remain on the country charts now than when only country airplay was a factor. This is my concern. And it's a self-fulfilling prophecy because I could also see station PDs looking at Country Songs and sort of getting fooled into thinking the more crossover stuff is what country listeners want to hear since that is what will be topping the country chart per Billboard. It's a slippery slope at this point. |
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Post by rsmatto on Oct 11, 2012 11:12:11 GMT -5
Well, there goes the neighborhood. This will be an anti-Taylor Swift rant now. Honestly, this may just be the best gift Country Aircheck/Mediabase could've gotten.
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Post by Marv on Oct 11, 2012 11:15:11 GMT -5
She broke another record as it relates to spins lost in a single week by losing a mind-boggling 64% of the spins for 'We Are...' in a single week.
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Post by layne on Oct 11, 2012 11:16:19 GMT -5
In fairness, it would be higher on the airplay chart if she hadn't released the second single to country. It was top 20 or above at one time and maybe it wouldn't have gotten higher but I think it would still be getting a decent amount of airplay. Regardless, it was obvious the song only debuted at #13 because of initial hype (and bought airplay) and then struggled once country listeners heard it. Does anyone actually consider it a country song? And more than that, does anyone actually consider it the #1 country song right now? That's the issue. I don't disagree with anything you are saying but the fact is Country Radio is playing her music whether it's pop or not. If they weren't somewhat on board with that first single it would have fallen off the charts naturally instead of hanging around the #17 range for so long. The biggest station out there KKGO in LA had it as one of there most played songs before she released the 2nd single. Country Radio will have to make a stand against her if she is going to be labeled a POP artist. |
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Post by rsmatto on Oct 11, 2012 11:17:09 GMT -5
Note: Taylor's fans already have her at #1, #2 and #10 with her respective singles. Looks like this new Country Songs chart certainly has sales weighted highest. More like a Hot 100 style chart - which is what I think Billboard was going for here.
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Post by jenglisbe on Oct 11, 2012 11:20:03 GMT -5
Regardless, it was obvious the song only debuted at #13 because of initial hype (and bought airplay) and then struggled once country listeners heard it. Does anyone actually consider it a country song? And more than that, does anyone actually consider it the #1 country song right now? That's the issue. I don't disagree with anything you are saying but the fact is Country Radio is playing her music whether it's pop or not. If they weren't somewhat on board with that first single it would have fallen off the charts naturally instead of hanging around the #17 range for so long. The biggest station out there KKGO in LA had it as one of there most played songs before she released the 2nd single. Country Radio will have to make a stand against her if she is going to be labeled a POP artist. "for so long?" Huh? Wasn't it like 4 weeks? And hanging around #17 does not exactly make it a country hit. Plus, that was with the benefit of a country version. The country version isn't even available for download, so it's not like you have those counting as "country sales." |
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Post by layne on Oct 11, 2012 11:20:09 GMT -5
She broke another record as it relates to spins lost in a single week by losing a mind-boggling 64% of the spins for 'We Are...' in a single week. The problem with that Marv, it that it should have happened before she decided to send out a 2nd single and it didn't. Therefore those spin losses are directly related to HER deciding to pull the plug and not radio deciding it. |
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Post by michellef on Oct 11, 2012 11:22:17 GMT -5
LOL uuuh the song was going to drop hard anyway...her releasing the second single just started it a couple weeks earlier.
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Post by layne on Oct 11, 2012 11:22:23 GMT -5
I don't disagree with anything you are saying but the fact is Country Radio is playing her music whether it's pop or not. If they weren't somewhat on board with that first single it would have fallen off the charts naturally instead of hanging around the #17 range for so long. The biggest station out there KKGO in LA had it as one of there most played songs before she released the 2nd single. Country Radio will have to make a stand against her if she is going to be labeled a POP artist. "for so long?" Huh? Wasn't it like 4 weeks? And hanging around #17 does not exactly make it a country hit. Plus, that was with the benefit of a country version. The country version isn't even available for download, so it's not like you have those counting as "country sales." The song wasn't losing it's bullet at the time the second single was annouced. It wasn't moving up but it certainly wasn't being dropped like a rock either. |
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Post by jenglisbe on Oct 11, 2012 11:23:19 GMT -5
She broke another record as it relates to spins lost in a single week by losing a mind-boggling 64% of the spins for 'We Are...' in a single week. The problem with that Marv, it that it should have happened before she decided to send out a 2nd single and it didn't. Therefore those spin losses are directly related to HER deciding to pull the plug and not radio deciding it. The song was losing spins before "Begin Again" was pushed. Yes, that big of a drop is related to the new single, but the song falling in general is not. |
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Post by layne on Oct 11, 2012 11:25:48 GMT -5
The problem with that Marv, it that it should have happened before she decided to send out a 2nd single and it didn't. Therefore those spin losses are directly related to HER deciding to pull the plug and not radio deciding it. The song was losing spins before "Begin Again" was pushed. Yes, that big of a drop is related to the new single, but the song falling in general is not. Radio could have made a decision to stop playing it right after the Clear Channel deal. They didn't. It's Country Radio's fault for allowing this song to have any life at all on it's stations. |
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Post by mikem on Oct 11, 2012 11:27:13 GMT -5
Someone please clear this up for me. Is this the chart Billboard will now use for historical purposes to designate a number one song? Is the Airplay chart now relegated to just an informational tool where number one has no historical meaning?
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Post by jenglisbe on Oct 11, 2012 11:27:36 GMT -5
"for so long?" Huh? Wasn't it like 4 weeks? And hanging around #17 does not exactly make it a country hit. Plus, that was with the benefit of a country version. The country version isn't even available for download, so it's not like you have those counting as "country sales." The song wasn't losing it's bullet at the time the second single was annouced. It wasn't moving up but it certainly wasn't being dropped like a rock either. It was stalling/dropping. But really, who cares? We all know the song is not a country song. And we know it wasn't a real hit among country listeners. Therefore, for it to be the #1 country song - especially now when it isn't even her current single - is ludicrous. But think about this; if this new formula had been in place all year, "WANEGBT" would be on its 9th week at #1 on Country Songs...with no end in sight. Does that make any sense? Truthfully. |
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Post by jenglisbe on Oct 11, 2012 11:28:22 GMT -5
Someone please clear this up for me. Is this the chart Billboard will now use for historical purposes to designate a number one song? Is the Airplay chart now relegated to just an informational tool where number one has no historical meaning? Yes and yes. |
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Post by Marv on Oct 11, 2012 11:31:57 GMT -5
It was DOA after that 1,000 spin loss in week #2 which all of that chart gurus on this board knew was a foregone conclusion before it crashed.
It simply lurked for a number of weeks within a nondescript range on the Mediabase chart after having to start over from scratch, and try to earn its way up the charts, which it never did.
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Post by layne on Oct 11, 2012 11:32:04 GMT -5
The song wasn't losing it's bullet at the time the second single was annouced. It wasn't moving up but it certainly wasn't being dropped like a rock either. It was stalling/dropping. But really, who cares? We all know the song is not a country song. And we know it wasn't a real hit among country listeners. Therefore, for it to be the #1 country song - especially now when it isn't even her current single - is ludicrous. But think about this; if this new formula had been in place all year, "WANEGBT" would be on its 9th week at #1 on Country Songs...with no end in sight. Does that make any sense? Truthfully. I'm betting if this chart had been in place before now she wouldn't have even sent out a second single and Radio would have increased the play of the song. |
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Post by layne on Oct 11, 2012 11:36:23 GMT -5
It was DOA after that 1,000 spin loss in week #2 which all of that chart gurus on this board knew was a foregone conclusion before it crashed. It simply lurked for a number of weeks within a nondescript range on the Mediabase chart after having to start over from scratch, and try to earn its way up the charts, which it never did. Maybe so, but Radio didn't let it crash. All of the CC songs have lost major spins after the first week. Like it or not, Radio play is just as manipulated as this BB chart. |
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