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Post by Adonis the DemiGod! on Nov 3, 2010 20:16:57 GMT -5
WOW! Sooo Close!
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Post by wunderkind on Nov 3, 2010 20:22:13 GMT -5
"Just Dance" took awhile to hit the number 1 spot & "Poker face" entered at 92, so yeah I was validating why she doesn't have a #1 debut Seriously? I said Gaga as popular as she is hasn't even debuted at #1. I was using that to show how popular Kesha is. That isn't the best argument as to "how popular Kesha is" though. Tons of artists who were WAY more popular didn't have singles debut at number 1. Nsync and Britney were more popular in the late 90s/early 2000s than Kesha is now, and they didn't have number 1 debuts. Doesn't mean Kesha is more popular. Digital sales, timing, release date, and a bunch of other things determine how a song debuts. |
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Post by Honeymoon on Nov 3, 2010 21:12:31 GMT -5
Since when did being an American Idol contestant invalidate your #1 debut because of the number of viewers the show gets? That is really the most nonsensical logic I've ever heard.
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Post by badrobot on Nov 3, 2010 22:24:40 GMT -5
Ugh @ Ke$ha. I just don't get it.
I feel like we've had a pretty good run of #1s this year, until now.
Too bad Far East Movement couldn't hold on to some stronger sales.
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Post by musicissalvation on Nov 3, 2010 22:42:00 GMT -5
Since when did being an American Idol contestant invalidate your #1 debut because of the number of viewers the show gets? That is really the most nonsensical logic I've ever heard. I'm not invalidating their #1 debut because of course it's still a #1 debut, just saying PERSONALLY I don't use those as examples when referencing #1 debuts |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2010 22:46:17 GMT -5
LMAO. A #1 is a #1, y'all. No loopholes in that shit.
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Post by Honeymoon on Nov 3, 2010 23:06:04 GMT -5
Since when did being an American Idol contestant invalidate your #1 debut because of the number of viewers the show gets? That is really the most nonsensical logic I've ever heard. I'm not invalidating their #1 debut because of course it's still a #1 debut, just saying PERSONALLY I don't use those as examples when referencing #1 debuts But really WHY NOT? All of the songs listed debuted #1 fair and square. Why should certain #1s not be referenced because of how many people saw them perform it, irrelevant. A #1 debut is a #1 debut whether or not you think it made the same impact as the other #1s is up to you though |
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Post by fridayteenage on Nov 4, 2010 0:24:39 GMT -5
From billboard.biz:
Taylor Swift: In addition to her impressive start at No. 1 on the Billboard 200 with "Speak Now," Swift debuts 10 tracks from that album onto the Hot 100, led by "Sparks Fly" at No. 17. With her "Mine" falling 13-21, the singer has a total of 11 titles on the list, the most ever by a female artist. Only the Beatles (one week with 14 and two weeks with 12 in April 1964) have placed more songs simultaneously. David Cook also tallied 11 titles (all debuts) on the June 7, 2008, chart, following his "American Idol" coronation.
Counting "Speak Now's" three charting early-release digital singles ("Speak Now," "Back to December" and "Mean"), every track from the 14-song standard edition of "Speak Now" has appeared on the Hot 100.
Meanwhile, "Mean," which debuted at No. 11 last week with 163,000 downloads, falls off the chart, a victim of iTunes' Complete My Album scheme. The early-release singles from "Speak Now" are counted as returns when consumers opt to upgrade to a full album purchase. So it's normal to see such songs drop like a rock during the album's release week, as customers exchange their tracks for an album."
& "Speak Now" sold more than Nos. 2-62 combined on the chart this week and accounted for one out of every six albums sold in the United States last week.
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Post by BlueSwan on Nov 4, 2010 2:36:44 GMT -5
Meanwhile, "Mean," which debuted at No. 11 last week with 163,000 downloads, falls off the chart, a victim of iTunes' Complete My Album scheme. The early-release singles from "Speak Now" are counted as returns when consumers opt to upgrade to a full album purchase. So it's normal to see such songs drop like a rock during the album's release week, as customers exchange their tracks for an album." Wait a minute. So if one "completes an album", previous single track purchases from that album are DEDUCTED from that single track's digital tracks tally?? I had no idea about this. |
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Post by $uperb@tDuDe on Nov 4, 2010 3:03:53 GMT -5
I think debuting at #1 is a little overrated. It's all about luck and timing if you think about it. Congrats to Ke$ha though, big opening week!
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Post by SPRΞΞ on Nov 4, 2010 3:28:32 GMT -5
Ugh @ Ke$ha. I just don't get it. I feel like we've had a pretty good run of #1s this year, until now. Too bad Far East Movement couldn't hold on to some stronger sales. i take it you are not a fan then. |
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Post by Linnethia Monique on Nov 4, 2010 4:26:24 GMT -5
Ugh @ Ke$ha. I just don't get it. I feel like we've had a pretty good run of #1s this year, until now. Too bad Far East Movement couldn't hold on to some stronger sales.  @ you hating on Ke$ha but wanting that Like a G6 to hold on to the #1 spot. I need to smack your ass with some musical taste. |
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Post by LegendaryLover on Nov 4, 2010 6:48:26 GMT -5
Ke$ha's #1 and from #2 to #9 every single song fell 1 spot. Pink stayed at #10.
01 WRWWR
02 G6
03 JTWYA
04 Only Girl
05 Just A Dream
06 DJ
07 Bottoms Up
08 TD
09 Dynamite
10 Glass
Willow at #11.
Worthy mentions
Animal at #13 (New peak)
Monster at #18 (New peak)
Firework at #29 (New peak)
Yeah 3X at #33 (New peak)
Right Thru Me at #46 (New peak)
What's My Name? at #60 (New peak)
Grenade at #64 (New peak)
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Sparks Fly #17
Innocent #27
The Story Of Us #41
Dear John #54
Better Than Revenge #56
Haunted #63
Last Kiss #71
Enchanted #75
Never Grow Up #84
Long Live #85
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2010 6:59:36 GMT -5
Taylor Swift watch:
17 (XX) Sparks Fly
21 (13) Mine
27 (XX) Innocent
41 (XX) The Story Of Us
54 (XX) Dear John
56 (XX) Better Than Revenge
63 (XX) Haunted
71 (XX) Last Kiss
75 (XX) Enchanted
84 (XX) Never Grow Up
85 (XX) Long Live
Counting the previoulsy released album tracks (Back to December, Mean and Speak Now), every track on the album has now charted on the Hot 100.
Meanwhile "Mean" falls from # 11 to off the chart completely, which I think ties Jonas Brothers' record for biggest drop off the chart.
Also, OMG falls off making Airplanes the new longest chart sitter at 29 weeks.
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Post by KeepDeanWeird on Nov 4, 2010 8:12:06 GMT -5
Meanwhile, "Mean," which debuted at No. 11 last week with 163,000 downloads, falls off the chart, a victim of iTunes' Complete My Album scheme. The early-release singles from "Speak Now" are counted as returns when consumers opt to upgrade to a full album purchase. So it's normal to see such songs drop like a rock during the album's release week, as customers exchange their tracks for an album." Wait a minute. So if one "completes an album", previous single track purchases from that album are DEDUCTED from that single track's digital tracks tally?? I had no idea about this. It's always been that way. Billboard treats it like a "return" this is the huge difference between physical and digital. If you opened physical it was yours (CD or single). Digital you get to enjoy track and then return. It's a big scam, but those are the rules. |
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Post by HolidayGuy on Nov 4, 2010 8:16:32 GMT -5
has Billboard commented on the "Complete My Album" thing before? So, it has been that way since iTunes has had that in place? I guess singles that managed to see sales gains in the week their album was released were fortunate exceptions?
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Post by leoapp on Nov 4, 2010 8:45:00 GMT -5
Mean debuted on #11 last week and falls off the chart this week. it's the highest-charting song to fall completely off the Hot 100 in one week. the record was The Moody Blues' "Nights In White Satin", which had been at #17 in 1972.
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Post by neverduplicated on Nov 4, 2010 8:47:50 GMT -5
has Billboard commented on the "Complete My Album" thing before? So, it has been that way since iTunes has had that in place? I guess singles that managed to see sales gains in the week their album was released were fortunate exceptions? It would be interesting to see how many people who buy those singles actually go back and complete the album. I imagine a lot of people download the single from Itunes but then might be inclined to buy the physical copy of the album when it comes out instead of completing the album on Itunes. You also have to consider that even with "returns," exposure for artists and their singles will typically be highest on their album release week, meaning yes even with the returns there probably is an increase in sales. But that's just speculation. None of us really knows. |
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Post by ListenToItTwice on Nov 4, 2010 8:52:17 GMT -5
Mean debuted on #11 last week and falls off the chart this week. it's the highest-charting song to fall completely off the Hot 100 in one week. the record was The Moody Blues' "Nights In White Satin", which had been at #17 in 1972. Nope, "A Little Bit Longer" fell from #11 off the chart also. "Mean" ties its "One Week Wonder" record. |
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Post by popstop on Nov 4, 2010 8:53:51 GMT -5
Wait a minute. So if one "completes an album", previous single track purchases from that album are DEDUCTED from that single track's digital tracks tally?? I had no idea about this. It's always been that way. Billboard treats it like a "return" this is the huge difference between physical and digital. If you opened physical it was yours (CD or single). Digital you get to enjoy track and then return. It's a big scam, but those are the rules. What's such a scam about it? In your example, a song ends up getting purchased twice - once as a single, and once as a component of an album. With "complete my album," the song is only puchased once, and is deducted from the cost of the album when you complete it. |
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Post by ListenToItTwice on Nov 4, 2010 8:59:09 GMT -5
"Mine" isn't even on the digital chart this week... Wow.
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Post by HolidayGuy on Nov 4, 2010 9:26:07 GMT -5
^That's odd- yet its airplay is high enough for it to rank No. 21.
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Post by areyoureadytojump on Nov 4, 2010 9:56:30 GMT -5
Billboard.biz:
The Billboard Hot 100:
-- Ke$ha: As mentioned earlier this week, Ke$ha debuts at No. 1 on the Billboard Hot 100 with "We R Who W R," lifted by first-week download sales of 288,000, according to Nielsen SoundScan. It's her fifth consecutive top 10 (sixth if you count her featured role on 3OH!3's "My First Kiss"). The track is the preview single from her forthcoming "Cannibal" album, set to be released on its own Nov. 22, in addition to being packaged with her debut album, "Animal," in a deluxe edition titled "Animal Cannibal."
-- Taylor Swift: In addition to her impressive start at No. 1 on the Billboard 200 with "Speak Now," Swift debuts 10 tracks from that album onto the Hot 100, led by "Sparks Fly" at No. 17. With her "Mine" falling 13-21, the singer has a total of 11 titles on the list, the most ever by a female artist. Only the Beatles (one week with 14 and two weeks with 12 in April 1964) have placed more songs simultaneously. David Cook also tallied 11 titles (all debuts) on the June 7, 2008, chart, following his "American Idol" coronation.
Counting "Speak Now's" three charting early-release digital singles ("Speak Now," "Back to December" and "Mean"), every track from the 14-song standard edition of "Speak Now" has appeared on the Hot 100.
Meanwhile, "Mean," which debuted at No. 11 last week with 163,000 downloads, falls off the chart, a victim of iTunes' Complete My Album scheme. The early-release singles from "Speak Now" are counted as returns when consumers opt to upgrade to a full album purchase. So it's normal to see such songs drop like a rock during the album's release week, as customers exchange their tracks for an album.
-- Willow Smith: The recently turned 10-year-old just misses the top 10 as "Whip My Hair" snaps 78-11, shifting 137,000 downloads. The sum brings the song onto Hot Digital Songs at No. 4.
-- Kanye West: His "Monster," featuring Jay-Z, Rick Ross, Bon Iver & Nicki Minaj, entered the Hot 100 and Hot Digital Songs last week from sales accrued in a single day. Now with a proper full-week haul, the song rockets 79-18 on the Hot 100 and 69-10 on Digital Songs with the top gain, up 78,000 units to 97,000.
-- Rihanna: The singer's "What's My Name" (featuring Drake) jumps 83-60 with Airplay Gainer honors. Without a digital single contributing to its ranking, the single becomes the lowest-ranked Airplay Gainer winner since Aug. 30, 2008, when T.I.'s "Whatever You Like" took home the prize at No. 71 -- a week prior to its digital release. On the following chart, T.I.'s track soared 71-1. Rihanna should make her own top 10 leap next week as her single hit digital retailers on Nov. 2.
-- "Glee" Cast: The act's 89th chart entry, "Time Warp," appropriately debuts at No. 89. It is the only debut from the "Rocky Horror" episode to chart. It's only the fourth week that the troupe has placed a single entry onto the chart, compared to 22 earlier multiple-debut weeks.
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Post by vance169 on Nov 4, 2010 10:27:47 GMT -5
Courtesy of BrainDamage II and UKMix Forum
Billboard Hot 100
1 NEW 1 We R Who We R, Ke$ha
2 1 12 Like A G6, Far*East Movement Featuring Cataracs & Dev
3 2 15 Just The Way You Are, Bruno Mars
4 3 8 Only Girl (In The World), Rihanna
5 4 11 Just A Dream, Nelly
6 5 16 DJ Got Us Fallin' In Love, Usher Featuring Pitbull
7 6 12 Bottoms Up, Trey Songz Featuring Nicki Minaj
8 7 15 Teenage Dream, Katy Perry
9 8 22 Dynamite, Taio Cruz
10 10 4 Raise Your Glass, P!nk
11 78 2 Whip My Hair, Willow
12 9 18 Club Can't Handle Me, Flo Rida Featuring David Guetta
13 15 22 Animal, Neon Trees
14 14 25 I Like It, Enrique Iglesias Featuring Pitbull
15 12 19 Love The Way You Lie, Eminem Featuring Rihanna
16 16 18 Deuces, Chris Brown Featuring Tyga & Kevin McCall
17 NEW 1 Sparks Fly, Taylor Swift
18 79 2 Monster, Kanye West Featuring Jay-Z, Rick Ross, Bon Iver & Nicki Minaj
19 19 6 Please Don't Go, Mike Posner
20 18 8 No Hands, Waka Flocka Flame Featuring Roscoe Dash & Wale
21 13 13 Mine, Taylor Swift
22 20 11 Right Above It, Lil Wayne Featuring Drake
23 17 10 F**k You (Forget You), Cee Lo Green
24 25 8 Check It Out, will.i.am & Nicki Minaj
25 21 17 If I Die Young, The Band Perry
26 23 14 Stuck Like Glue, Sugarland
27 NEW 1 Innocent, Taylor Swift
28 27 12 Love Like Woe, The Ready Set
29 57 2 Firework, Katy Perry
30 26 12 Hot Tottie, Usher Featuring Jay-Z
31 24 19 Secrets, OneRepublic
32 22 16 Take It Off, Ke$ha
33 NEW 1 Yeah 3X, Chris Brown
34 29 7 We No Speak Americano, Yolanda Be Cool & Dcup
35 28 27 Cooler Than Me, Mike Posner
36 37 19 King Of Anything, Sara Bareilles
37 31 25 California Gurls, Katy Perry Featuring Snoop Dogg
38 39 12 As She's Walking Away, Zac Brown Band Featuring Alan Jackson
39 33 29 Airplanes, B.o.B Featuring Hayley Williams
40 38 13 Letting Go (Dutty Love), Sean Kingston Featuring Nicki Minaj
41 NEW 1 The Story Of Us, Taylor Swift
42 36 13 September, Daughtry
43 51 4 Black And Yellow, Wiz Khalifa
44 35 14 Fancy, Drake Featuring T.I. & Swizz Beatz
45 44 7 Can't Be Friends, Trey Songz
46 59 5 Right Thru Me, Nicki Minaj
47 49 9 No Love, Eminem Featuring Lil Wayne
48 50 5 Aston Martin Music, Rick Ross Featuring Drake & Chrisette Michele
49 41 16 Come Back Song, Darius Rucker
50 34 19 Misery, Maroon 5
51 54 4 Runaway, Kanye West Featuring Pusha T
52 52 5 Hey Baby (Drop It To The Floor), Pitbull Featuring T-Pain
53 47 20 Farmer's Daughter, Rodney Atkins
54 NEW 1 Dear John, Taylor Swift
55 48 10 My Kinda Party, Jason Aldean
56 NEW 1 Better Than Revenge, Taylor Swift
57 67 4 Stereo Love, Edward Maya & Vika Jigulina
58 32 4 Loca, Shakira Featuring El Cata or Dizzee Rascal
59 55 9 Anything Like Me, Brad Paisley
60 83 2 What's My Name?, Rihanna Featuring Drake
61 58 7 All I Want Is You, Miguel Featuring J. Cole
62 64 4 Memories, David Guetta Featuring Kid Cudi
63 NEW 1 Haunted, Taylor Swift
64 75 5 Grenade, Bruno Mars
65 53 14 The Boys of Fall, Kenny Chesney
66 63 11 Why Wait, Rascal Flatts
67 61 12 Little Lion Man, Mumford & Sons
68 56 16 Roll With It, Easton Corbin
69 42 13 2012 (It Ain't The End), Jay Sean Featuring Nicki Minaj
70 62 19 If I Had You, Adam Lambert
71 NEW 1 Last Kiss, Taylor Swift
72 NEW 1 I Won't Let Go, Rascal Flatts
73 68 6 Mama's Song, Carrie Underwood
74 74 4 Shake, Jesse McCartney
75 NEW 1 Enchanted, Taylor Swift
76 60 10 Holding You Down (Goin In Circles), Jazmine Sullivan
77 NEW 1 Mr. Rager, Kid Cudi
78 72 9 The Breath You Take, George Strait
79 76 7 Turn On The Radio, Reba
80 70 7 Rhythm of Love, Plain White T's
81 69 10 Toot It And Boot It, YG
82 77 9 Only Prettier, Miranda Lambert
83 81 5 Put You In A Song, Keith Urban
84 NEW 1 Never Grow Up, Taylor Swift
85 NEW 1 Long Live, Taylor Swift
86 91 2 Lay It Down, Lloyd
87 65 4 Radioactive, Kings Of Leon
88 71 16 Love All Over Me, Monica
89 NEW 1 Time Warp, Glee Cast
90 RE-ENTRY 2 Hollywood, Michael Buble
91 73 18 All Over Me, Josh Turner
92 87 3 Double Vision, 3OH!3
93 88 3 This Ain't No Love Song, Trace Adkins
94 84 7 Dog Days Are Over, Florence + The Machine
95 100 4 Waiting For The End, Linkin Park
96 RE-ENTRY 5 Jar Of Hearts, Christina Perri
97 NEW 1 One In A Million, Ne-Yo
98 90 2 Porn Star Dancing, My Darkest Days Featuring Zakk Wylde
99 97 7 Smoke A Little Smoke, Eric Church
100 NEW 1 Someone Else Calling You Baby, Luke Bryan
Bubbling Under Hot 100
1 6 5 Voices, Chris Young
2 5 3 Felt Good On My Lips, Tim McGraw
3 4 4 Danza Kuduro, Don Omar & Lucenzo
4 NEW 1 Touch A Touch A Touch A Touch Me, Glee Cast
5 10 4 Bullets In The Gun, Toby Keith
6 NEW 1 Somewhere With You, Kenny Chesney
7 21 2 Make A Movie, Twista Featuring Chris Brown
8 8 4 Sometimes I Cry, Eric Benet
9 12 2 Who Are You When I'm Not Looking, Blake Shelton
10 NEW 1 Sweet Serendipity, Lee DeWyze
11 7 8 All In, Lifehouse
12 20 2 What If, Jason Derulo
13 9 4 When A Woman Loves, R. Kelly
14 NEW 1 Long Hot Summer, Keith Urban
15 18 2 Corazon Sin Cara, Prince Royce
16 13 4 A Little Bit Stronger, Sara Evans
17 14 10 Say You'll Haunt Me, Stone Sour
18 16 3 You Are, Charlie Wilson
19 NEW 1 Waiting Outside The Lines, Greyson Chance
20 23 2 Need You, Travie McCoy
21 NEW 1 Maybe, Sick Puppies
22 NEW 1 Marry Me, Train
23 22 12 El Malo, Aventura
24 NEW 1 La Despedida, Daddy Yankee
25 NEW 1 Let's Get It In, Lloyd Featuring 50 Cent
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Post by fridayteenage on Nov 4, 2010 10:30:15 GMT -5
I am unpleased. Story of Us was one away from T40. So Speak Now ties Fearless for number of T40's upon album release (6). If only Sean or Airplanes fell a bit more, or people like freaking Chris Brown didn't ruin things.
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Post by HolidayGuy on Nov 4, 2010 11:05:36 GMT -5
The people who purchased Chris Brown's track ruined things. ;)
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Post by kingofpain on Nov 4, 2010 11:52:02 GMT -5
Wow Memories moved up again... and still no sign of it on the itunes 100, while Lifehouse's "All In" which is just behind Memories in airplay is way outside the Hot 100, on the bubbling under chart at 11. I still don't get the big gap in between both songs when they are literally within 2 points of each other in airplay.
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Post by Joe1240 on Nov 4, 2010 11:52:45 GMT -5
Nice to see a lot of Taylor on the charts!!!!!!!!
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Post by slicknickshady on Nov 4, 2010 13:57:19 GMT -5
17 14 10 Say You'll Haunt Me, Stone Sour
Can't believe this has been on the Bubbling under. Such a fantastic song. Just didnt realize it was so close to the Hot 100.
47 49 9 No Love, Eminem Featuring Lil Wayne
Yeah. Not shocking that's only up two places. Seriously Em can give it a couple more weeks but if it doesnt go up much he should really put out another single. He won't though. He really doesnt care about this type of thing.
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Post by jj99$ - - LeLe on Nov 4, 2010 15:03:13 GMT -5
ya, em doesn't really care, as long as his fans appreciate his music, which we do....
but couldn't they have released either, Talkin' to myself or Space Bound, just to keep album sales up.
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