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"The Cheetah Girls 2" Discussion
Post by mineable1004 on Jun 25, 2006, 5:36pm

The sequel to the hit "The Cheetah Girls" movie will air in August on the Disney Channel.

For now, you can listen to clips of some of their new songs at:
http://psc.disney.go.com/disneychannel/originalmovies/cheetahgirls/index.html

None of the songs are as catchy as the first movie. It looks like "The Party's Just Begun" is the lead Disney single -- it's OK. "Why Wait?" sounds like Hilary Duff's "Why Not." They needed to cover some more PLAY songs.
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Post by computerfreak on Jun 26, 2006, 2:28am

They covered Play songs? Haha.

And I read an interview somewhere where Raven said the other girls weren't nice to her because she was busy with other stuff and didn't have time for them.
Re: "The Cheetah Girls 2" Discussion
Post by mineable1004 on Jun 27, 2006, 12:28pm

I just meant "Cinderella," which was originally I5's song covered by PLAY (and released to Radio Disney) and then covered by Cheetah Girls!

I don't blame Raven! She's a bigger star and doesn't need to be a Cheetah Girl to have a career. The other girls are desperate and need this franchise; they even toured to support the Cheetahlicious Christmas album.

I hope Raven got a bigger paycheck for this sequel! They clearly needed her to be in it. And she can sing circles around the other 3.

Cheetahlicious!
Re: "The Cheetah Girls 2" Discussion
Post by babyboylrtm on Jun 27, 2006, 1:02pm


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I just meant "Cinderella," which was originally I5's song covered by PLAY (and released to Radio Disney) and then covered by Cheetah Girls!

I don't blame Raven! She's a bigger star and doesn't need to be a Cheetah Girl to have a career. The other girls are desperate and need this franchise; they even toured to support the Cheetahlicious Christmas album.

I hope Raven got a bigger paycheck for this sequel! They clearly needed her to be in it. And she can sing circles around the other 3.

Cheetahlicious!


I totally agree.
Re: "The Cheetah Girls 2" Discussion
Post by mineable1004 on Jul 10, 2006, 2:12pm


1. The Party's Just Begun - The Cheetah Girls
2. Strut - The Cheetah Girls
3. Dance With Me - Drew Seeley featuring Belinda
4. Why Wait - Belinda
5. A La Nanita Nana - The Cheetah Girls featuring Belinda
6. Do Your Own Thing - Raven-Symoné
7. It's Over - The Cheetah Girls
8. Step Up - The Cheetah Girls
9. Amigas Cheetahs - The Cheetah Girls featuring Belinda
10. Cherish The Moment - The Cheetah Girls
11. Cheetah Sisters [Barcelona Mix] - The Cheetah Girls
12. Everyone's A Star - Raven-Symoné
13. It's Gonna Be Alright - Raven-Symoné
Re: "The Cheetah Girls 2" Discussion
Post by thepulse on Jul 10, 2006, 2:15pm

When is this hit? Is it going to pull a High School Musical on the charts?
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Post by babyboylrtm on Jul 10, 2006, 2:17pm

Wait, Belinda is a new Cheetah girl? Belinda as that mexican little girl that did that HOT kids SMASH of that sapito song? "giras y giras siempre para'bajo"?
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Post by geoxguy on Jul 11, 2006, 3:25am

Lmao! Nu Belinda! Wow, that must be her on the CD, since those songs are in Spanglish and all. Shocking! Is she gonna try to crossover, at least to Disney audiences? So unexpected!
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Post by geoxguy on Jul 11, 2006, 3:27am

Yep, that's Belinda on "Why Wait."  As annoying sounding as ever!  Go Belinda!  :D  I like her even though I don't know anyone else who actually likes her.  :/
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Post by babyboylrtm on Jul 11, 2006, 12:07pm

The 100 kids that bought her album :D
Re: "The Cheetah Girls 2" Discussion
Post by mineable1004 on Jul 11, 2006, 12:45pm

You can legally download their first single "The Party's Just Begun" from Sony Connect (and I'm sure on iTunes too) now.
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Post by computerfreak on Jul 11, 2006, 1:21pm


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. Dance With Me - Drew Seeley featuring Belinda


The same guy who sung for Zac Efron on High School Musical.
Re: "The Cheetah Girls 2" Discussion
Post by ishontheradio on Jul 11, 2006, 1:55pm

Cheetah Girls is noooooooooooooo High School Musical.

That is all.
Re: "The Cheetah Girls 2" Discussion
Post by babyboylrtm on Jul 13, 2006, 12:28pm

Perez has two pics of the press conference of the soon to be #1 Disney SMASH and HAWT Gold Top40 soundtrack Cheetah Girls.  Belinda looks fugly.  She ain't cute to begin with but ew girlfriend needs a stylist pronto.
Re: "The Cheetah Girls 2" Discussion
Post by lyricos on Jul 13, 2006, 1:36pm

Raven cannot sing better than Adrienne Bailon from 3LW, Adrienne can sing circles around the other 3, she's so underrated.
Re: "The Cheetah Girls 2" Discussion
Post by mineable1004 on Jul 13, 2006, 3:58pm

Raven is the next Beyonce. She will throw a hot plate of food at Adrianne Bailon's face next time she sees her.
Re: "The Cheetah Girls 2" Discussion
Post by computerfreak on Jul 14, 2006, 3:38am


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Raven is the next Beyonce. She will throw a hot plate of food at Adrianne Bailon's face next time she sees her.


Or she'll eat what's on the plate.
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Post by koalaclement on Jul 14, 2006, 9:25am


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Or she'll eat what's on the plate.


LMAO!
Re: "The Cheetah Girls 2" Discussion
Post by slave4britney on Jul 14, 2006, 2:44pm

LMAO! Hey now, I'm going to marry Raven, she's future wifey. Be nice! She is a little chunky though, she needs to exercise.
Re: "The Cheetah Girls 2" Discussion
Post by mineable1004 on Aug 3, 2006, 1:55am

August 01, 2006 06:00 AM US Eastern Timezone

Soundtrack to Blockbuster Disney Channel Original Movie 'The Cheetah Girls 2' Set for Release on August 15

BURBANK, Calif.--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Aug. 1, 2006--

Disney Channel's Sequel Premieres August 25, Directed and Choreographed by Emmy Award Winner Kenny Ortega, Hot on the Heels of "High School Musical" Phenomenon


The soundtrack to the highly anticipated "The Cheetah Girls 2" -- sequel to the megahit Disney Channel Original Movie -- will be released by Walt Disney Records on August 15. The disc features 13 hip-hop, R&B, Latin, tango and rock-influenced songs performed by kid and tween superstars Raven-Symone, Adrienne Bailon, Kiely Williams, Sabrina Bryan and Mexican recording artist and actress Belinda Peregrin. "The Cheetah Girls 2" premieres Friday, August 25 on Disney Channel; its anthem song and the soundtrack's lead single, "The Party's Just Begun," makes its radio debut the same month.

The Disney Channel Original Movie sequel, "The Cheetah Girls 2," takes the talented teen quartet on a whirlwind Catalan adventure as they pursue their dreams of pop superstardom. Emmy(R) and NAACP Image Award winner Lynn Whitfield ("The Josephine Baker Story") and Lori Alter return as The Cheetah Girls' protective mothers, and popular Mexican recording artist and actress Belinda Peregrin is introduced in her first English-speaking role as a would-be rival to The Cheetah Girls as they compete in the Barcelona music festival and see their dreams of stardom -- and their faith in The Cheetah Girl credo itself -- threatened.

"The Cheetah Girls 2" movie is the newest project from Emmy(R) Award-winning director and choreographer Kenny Ortega, the mastermind behind this year's "High School Musical" phenomenon, which delivered 2006's triple-platinum soundtrack and best-selling album-to-date (according to Nielsen SoundScan). Emmy(R) Award-nominated songwriting and producing talent contributing to the "The Cheetah Girls 2" include Jamie Houston, Robbie Nevil, David Lawrence and Matthew Gerrard, all of whom also contributed songs to "High School Musical."

"The Cheetah Girls 2" soundtrack follows the success of the soundtrack to the first Cheetah Girls movie, which was the #1 basic cable movie among Kids 6-11 and Tweens 9-14. The double-platinum album became the #2 best-selling soundtrack for 2004, reached #1 on Billboard's Kids and Soundtrack charts and remained on the Billboard Top 200 chart for an incredible 62 weeks.

The all-new Cheetah Girls 2 soundtrack captures the flavor of Barcelona with the traditional Spanish lullaby "A La Nanita Nana" (performed by The Cheetah Girls with Belinda) and Spanish lyrics liberally incorporated into tracks such as "Strut," "Dance With Me" and "Amigas Cheetahs." "The Cheetah Girls 2" soundtrack includes a bonus CD-ROM "making of" feature. Additional music, video and mobile content are accessible to all Cheetah fans at TheCheetahGirlsMusic.com.

"More than ever, The Cheetah Girls sound is a high energy mix of pop and R&B that people can't help but dance to," says Adrienne.

Adds Sabrina, "It's very Cheetah but now it's kicked up a notch."

"We're really excited about how our harmonies have developed, and the new song repertoire is amazing. I can't wait for the concert tour!" enthuses Kiely.

The touring version of The Cheetah Girls (Adrienne Bailon, Sabrina Bryan and Kiely Williams) will embark on a nationwide 40-city concert tour September 15 through November 15. Purchase of "The Cheetah Girls 2" soundtrack at Target stores in the U.S. beginning August 15 will include a password to purchase up to four presale tickets for most shows on the tour, subject to availability.

"The Cheetah Girls 2" CD track listing:

1. "The Party's Just Begun"(a) -- Performed by The Cheetah Girls
2. "Strut"(a) -- Performed by The Cheetah Girls
3. "Dance with Me"(a) -- Performed by Drew Seeley featuring
Belinda
4. "Why Wait"(a) -- Performed by Belinda
5. "A La Nanita Nana"(a) -- Performed by The Cheetah Girls with
Belinda
6. "Do Your Own Thing"(a) -- Performed by Raven-Symone
7. "It's Over"(a) -- Performed by The Cheetah Girls
8. "Step Up"(a) -- Performed by The Cheetah Girls
9. "Amigas Cheetahs"(a) -- Performed by The Cheetah Girls with
Belinda
10. "Cherish the Moment"(a) -- Performed by The Cheetah Girls
11. "Cheetah Sisters (Barcelona Mix)"(a) -- Performed by The
Cheetah Girls
12. "Everyone's a Star" -- Performed by Raven-Symone
13. "It's Gonna Be Alright" -- Performed by Raven-Symone
(a) Appears in film

Since 2003, The Cheetah Girls have ruled the kids music charts with the singles "Cinderella," "Girl Power," "Together We Can" and "Cheetah Sisters" from the original "The Cheetah Girls" soundtrack; "I Won't Say (I'm in Love)" from Disney's "Hercules" for the top-selling "Disneymania 3" CD and concert DVD; their version of the Ray Charles classic "Shake a Tail Feather" from the Walt Disney Pictures film "Chicken Little"; and the title track from the group's 2005 "A Cheetalicious Christmas" CD. The Cheetah Girls' extraordinary success also has yielded Walt Disney Records' "The Cheetah Girls Karaoke" CD (February 2004) and "The Cheetah Girls Special Edition Soundtrack" (June 2004). The latter coincided with the June 2004 Buena Vista Home Entertainment release "The Cheetah Girls Movie" on DVD, which quickly reached sales of one million copies.

"The Cheetah Girls 2" soundtrack will be available August 15, 2006 for a suggested retail price of $18.98 wherever music is sold. All Walt Disney Records audio products also can be ordered by visiting DisneyRecords.com. For additional information and updates, go to TheCheetahGirlsMusic.com.
Re: "The Cheetah Girls 2" Discussion
Post by mineable1004 on Aug 3, 2006, 2:01am

Disney music vids for
"The Party's Just Begun": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JkHCttqQ9q0
"Strut": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wzfbtTZJtvA

"Strut" has a half-baked chorus! "C'mon c'mon c'mon" is not good songwriting!
Re: "The Cheetah Girls 2" Discussion
Post by splitchick59 on Aug 3, 2006, 2:09am


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The touring version of The Cheetah Girls (Adrienne Bailon, Sabrina Bryan and Kiely Williams) will embark on a nationwide 40-city concert tour September 15 through November 15.


??? Aren't 3LW supposed to be putting out a new album this fall? How do Adrienne and Kiely plan to manage that?
Re: "The Cheetah Girls 2" Discussion
Post by ohshooter on Aug 3, 2006, 2:28am

3LW's album got pushed back!
Re: "The Cheetah Girls 2" Discussion
Post by xluvxduffxmusicx on Aug 3, 2006, 3:00am

Wow so they wont promote the first single right? They'll just release another single whenever they go into promotion for the 3LW album?
Re: "The Cheetah Girls 2" Discussion
Post by ohshooter on Aug 3, 2006, 3:01am

Right. The album will have a 2nd single released before the album is released!
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Post by reception on Aug 21, 2006, 12:58pm

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2006 Teen Choice Awards
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Post by mineable1004 on Aug 21, 2006, 8:43pm

The Special Edition Soundtrack is scheduled for a November release!
Re: "The Cheetah Girls 2" Discussion
Post by geoxguy on Aug 23, 2006, 3:19am

"Why waiiiit. para vivir y cumplir tus sue~os."

Sang that Spanglish ish, Belinda! HOT "Vivir" reference. Hot self-promo!
Re: "The Cheetah Girls 2" Discussion
Post by thewbrocks67 on Aug 23, 2006, 9:05am

Where's Raven in that pic above? She seems to be only with them in the movies..
Re: "The Cheetah Girls 2" Discussion
Post by mineable1004 on Aug 25, 2006, 4:02pm

Growl power! Good reviews in EW and LA Times.
Re: "The Cheetah Girls 2" Discussion
Post by kcfanndtx on Aug 25, 2006, 11:20pm

I liked the movie!
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Post by rule1904 on Aug 25, 2006, 11:57pm

i watched this with my lil cousin and it was actually pretty interesting the songs were catchy and the dances reminded me of destiny's child the destiny fulfilled era especially during the song "strut".....which i also liked..and they actually sounded pretty good..nice family movie.
Re: "The Cheetah Girls 2" Discussion
Post by spyofdaeast on Aug 26, 2006, 10:48am

They should've placed Strut as the final song.
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Post by kcfanndtx on Aug 26, 2006, 2:44pm

i wonder what the rating were for this...I really like that strut song and the first song they sing...and step up i think its called.
Re: "The Cheetah Girls 2" Discussion
Post by thewbrocks67 on Aug 26, 2006, 10:13pm

The first movie was really popular and this was really anticipated so I think it might've broken a new record for Disney Channel.

The previous record was 7.7 million viewers for High School Musical.
Re: "The Cheetah Girls 2" Discussion
Post by babyboylrtm on Aug 26, 2006, 10:17pm


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Where's Raven in that pic above? She seems to be only with them in the movies..


Raven don't hang out with D list actresses. Raven is such a DIVAH 8-)
Re: "The Cheetah Girls 2" Discussion
Post by thewbrocks67 on Aug 26, 2006, 10:20pm

The way I see it is:

Raven's solo career tanked and That's So Raven is almost over, and 3LW is basically falling apart at the seams, so it makes perfect sense for all four girls to just stick together as the Cheetah Girls and make it there main thing. I dont know why Raven doesnt hang out with them besides in the movies because she really doesnt have anything else to do now with Raven over/almost over.

They should make another Cheetah Girls movie and then come out with an official album as the Cheetah Girls, but not a soundtrack from the movie.
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Post by colson on Aug 26, 2006, 10:27pm


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The way I see it is:

Raven's solo career tanked and That's So Raven is almost over, and 3LW is basically falling apart at the seams, so it makes perfect sense for all four girls to just stick together as the Cheetah Girls and make it there main thing. I dont know why Raven doesnt hang out with them besides in the movies because she really doesnt have anything else to do now with Raven over/almost over.

They should make another Cheetah Girls movie and then come out with an official album as the Cheetah Girls, but not a soundtrack from the movie


Was "That's So Raven" canceled? How many seasons has it been on? I didn't realize it was at the end of it's rope.

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Post by ohshooter on Aug 26, 2006, 10:28pm

The show is done shooting any new episodes. The end of the new episodes for this season will be it. But Raven is gonna do another show about her in college called Raven Too.
Re: "The Cheetah Girls 2" Discussion
Post by thewbrocks67 on Aug 26, 2006, 10:46pm

...... if it gets picked up by ABC.

If it doesnt, she should just stick with the cheetah girls since there really popular right now
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Post by colson on Aug 26, 2006, 10:48pm

Raven has managed to stay in this business ever since she came on the Cosby Show. I'm sure even when the show ends, she'll end up doing something else in show business.
Re: "The Cheetah Girls 2" Discussion
Post by cookymonzta on Aug 26, 2006, 11:21pm


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Raven is the next Beyonce. She will throw a hot plate of food at Adrianne Bailon's face next time she sees her.

Isn't that what Kiely did to Naturi to hasten Naturi's exit from 3LW, and perhaps 3LW's demise as well?

Whoever mentioned that Raven doesn't need the Cheetah girls to be successful is right; nor does she need to be Beyoncé (or any other vixen, for that matter) to be successful...

...By the way, the Cheetah Girls might not be in the same league as High School Musical, but judging from the last album, they'd give as good as HSM's got. Their first album sold 1.58 million copies (according to SoundScan) and was certified double-platinum. I don't know if 87,000 first-week sales of their 2nd album is anything to sneeze at; but if this one somehow catches on the way HSM did (slowly but building to a fever-pitch after 3 months), they might sell 2 million flat-out.

The 2 girls of 3LW (Adrienne and Kiely) could use the publicity, because they've been out of the spotlight for too long. But then again, the success of Cheetah Girls 2 might not help their third 3LW album, if there is to be a third album. Just ask Kelly Rowland of Destiny's Child. Her initial solo efforts flopped miserably, despite her membership in that group. LeToya Luckett did a much better job on her own, after getting the boot from the group and 5 years of futility of putting together a new group.
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Post by cookymonzta on Aug 26, 2006, 11:32pm


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Quote:
The way I see it is:

Raven's solo career tanked  and That's So Raven is almost over, and 3LW is basically falling apart at the seams, so it makes perfect sense for all four girls to just stick together as the Cheetah Girls and make it there main thing. I dont know why Raven doesnt hang out with them besides in the movies because she really doesnt have anything else to do now with Raven over/almost over.

They should make another Cheetah Girls movie and then come out with an official album as the Cheetah Girls, but not a soundtrack from the movie


Was "That's So Raven" canceled? How many seasons has it been on?  I didn't realize it was at the end of it's rope.

Not from what I've read. Nevertheless, like so many other shows of acceptable longevity, this show's had its run. You can't do the show from a high-school perspective with a 5th year in high school, and Raven has worked on this show for 5 years now (the pilot was taped in 2001, and most of the episodes were televised overseas in 2002). Kyle Massey (who plays Cory Baxter) will get a spinoff, Cory in the House.
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Post by xluvxduffxmusicx on Aug 27, 2006, 2:24am


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Raven is the next Beyonce. She will throw a hot plate of food at Adrianne Bailon's face next time she sees her.

Isn't that what Kiely did to Naturi to hasten Naturi's exit from 3LW, and perhaps 3LW's demise as well?

Whoever mentioned that Raven doesn't need the Cheetah girls to be successful is right; nor does she need to be Beyoncé (or any other vixen, for that matter) to be successful...

...By the way, the Cheetah Girls might not be in the same league as High School Musical, but judging from the last album, they'd give as good as HSM's got.  Their first album sold 1.58 million copies (according to SoundScan) and was certified double-platinum.  I don't know if 87,000 first-week sales of their 2nd album is anything to sneeze at; but if this one somehow catches on the way HSM did (slowly but building to a fever-pitch after 3 months), they might sell 2 million flat-out.

The 2 girls of 3LW (Adrienne and Kiely) could use the publicity, because they've been out of the spotlight for too long.  But then again, the success of Cheetah Girls 2 might not help their third 3LW album, if there is to be a third album.  Just ask Kelly Rowland of Destiny's Child.  Her initial solo efforts flopped miserably, despite her membership in that group.  LeToya Luckett did a much better job on her own, after getting the boot from the group and 5 years of futility of putting together a new group.


In music, Raven DOES need the Cheetah Girls, her album flopped miserably.
Re: "The Cheetah Girls 2" Discussion
Post by 2m on Aug 27, 2006, 10:36am

'Strut' is #17 on iTunes
'The Party's Just begun' is #39

'Step Up' is #70
'Amigas Cheetahs' is #100

looks like the Cheetah Girls will be on the Hot 100 next week
Re: "The Cheetah Girls 2" Discussion
Post by computerfreak on Aug 27, 2006, 11:08am


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But Raven is gonna do another show about her in college called Raven Too.


That's a rumor. And Raven Too is the dumb title to the show's second soundtrack.


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Was "That's So Raven" canceled?


No. It's just come to an end. I wouldn't consider it cancelled because it passed the usual 65-episode-per-show rule awhile back. And it's going to end with the fourth season. These final episodes are their last days of high school. I believe there's 7 episodes left or something like that. And in the newest episode Raven mentions they're seniors and the day was May 18. So it's almost over.


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Kyle Massey (who plays Cory Baxter) will get a spinoff, Cory in the House.


Yes. I'm not looking forward to it though. Just Corey and the dad will be in the show. Because Raven will supposively be in college, and her dad moves to the White House to become a chef for the fictional president.

But Disney Channel shows usually end with movies. Even Stevens ended with a movie. Lizzie McGuire ended with a movie. Proud Family ended with a movie (I think). I have no idea if Raven will get a movie though, I wish she would.
Re: "The Cheetah Girls 2" Discussion
Post by computerfreak on Aug 27, 2006, 11:11am

I actually enjoyed the movie. My favourite song was "It's Over".
Re: "The Cheetah Girls 2" Discussion
Post by ohshooter on Aug 27, 2006, 1:43pm

"It's Over" was the best song. Movie was kinda cheesy but cute.
Re: "The Cheetah Girls 2" Discussion
Post by xhosaidx on Aug 27, 2006, 1:46pm

Raven said on ET on MTV that there will be a movie, but I think it will go to theaters, and not just the Disney Channel.
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Post by seph on Aug 27, 2006, 4:43pm


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Raven is the next Beyonce. She will throw a hot plate of food at Adrianne Bailon's face next time she sees her.

Isn't that what Kiely did to Naturi to hasten Naturi's exit from 3LW, and perhaps 3LW's demise as well?

Whoever mentioned that Raven doesn't need the Cheetah girls to be successful is right; nor does she need to be Beyoncé (or any other vixen, for that matter) to be successful...

...By the way, the Cheetah Girls might not be in the same league as High School Musical, but judging from the last album, they'd give as good as HSM's got.  Their first album sold 1.58 million copies (according to SoundScan) and was certified double-platinum.  I don't know if 87,000 first-week sales of their 2nd album is anything to sneeze at; but if this one somehow catches on the way HSM did (slowly but building to a fever-pitch after 3 months), they might sell 2 million flat-out.

The 2 girls of 3LW (Adrienne and Kiely) could use the publicity, because they've been out of the spotlight for too long.  But then again, the success of Cheetah Girls 2 might not help their third 3LW album, if there is to be a third album.  Just ask Kelly Rowland of Destiny's Child.  Her initial solo efforts flopped miserably, despite her membership in that group.  LeToya Luckett did a much better job on her own, after getting the boot from the group and 5 years of futility of putting together a new group.


Kelly did not flop miserably...she had 2 singles in the US and 3 worldwide and ended up selling 2 million which is not bad at all
Re: "The Cheetah Girls 2" Discussion
Post by babyboylrtm on Aug 27, 2006, 5:00pm


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'Strut' is #17 on iTunes
'The Party's Just begun' is #39

'Step Up' is #70
'Amigas Cheetahs' is #100

looks like the Cheetah Girls will be on the Hot 100 next week


SMASH! ROWL POWA!
Re: "The Cheetah Girls 2" Discussion
Post by ohshooter on Aug 27, 2006, 5:20pm

Raven's last album sold over 250k which is really good considering she only had 1 mainstream single released.
Re: "The Cheetah Girls 2" Discussion
Post by cookymonzta on Aug 28, 2006, 1:48am


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Quote:

Isn't that what Kiely did to Naturi to hasten Naturi's exit from 3LW, and perhaps 3LW's demise as well?

Whoever mentioned that Raven doesn't need the Cheetah girls to be successful is right; nor does she need to be Beyoncé (or any other vixen, for that matter) to be successful...

...By the way, the Cheetah Girls might not be in the same league as High School Musical, but judging from the last album, they'd give as good as HSM's got.  Their first album sold 1.58 million copies (according to SoundScan) and was certified double-platinum.  I don't know if 87,000 first-week sales of their 2nd album is anything to sneeze at; but if this one somehow catches on the way HSM did (slowly but building to a fever-pitch after 3 months), they might sell 2 million flat-out.

The 2 girls of 3LW (Adrienne and Kiely) could use the publicity, because they've been out of the spotlight for too long.  But then again, the success of Cheetah Girls 2 might not help their third 3LW album, if there is to be a third album.  Just ask Kelly Rowland of Destiny's Child.  Her initial solo efforts flopped miserably, despite her membership in that group.  LeToya Luckett did a much better job on her own, after getting the boot from the group and 5 years of futility of putting together a new group.


In music, Raven DOES need the Cheetah Girls, her album flopped miserably.

My bad. How did I forget about her solo albums? 3LW is not doing too good, either; actually, much worse. Four years, an acrimonious exit by one member (Naturi), and a name change for what is to be their next album (from Phoenix Rising to Point Of No Return; if there is a next album), don't bode well when a top girl group comes once in a blue moon, and the best of the best barely last more than 4 years...

...Which is to say that Raven doesn't needs this group as much as the 2 girls of 3LW do. Raven hardly needed the group during a rather successful 4-year run of That's So Raven (and I must admit, I have hardly watched any episodes since its debut).

Though I would love to see how far the Cheetah Girls go (although I think it would be much better for them to move away from the bubble-gum stuff and get into the real music for the 3rd movie; and when I say real, I don't necessary include what you might hear from today's pop/R&B vixens), singing is not the only thing for Raven. She has at least a decade of acting experience ahead of the other 4 girls. [For the young ones on this board, she's been acting since she was THREE; her first major appearance, of course, on the Cosby Show in 1989.]

By the way, if I read the credits right, she is a co-executive producer of the 2nd Cheetah Girls movie, and if I read right, she has participated in the production of other projects; mainly, her series That's So Raven.

One other thing: 200,000 copies for her last album is not too shabby a sales mark, for someone who is primarily an actress, and one not too concerned with being a pop/R&B vixen. At least it was better than her first two.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raven-Symon%C3%A9

One other thing: Disney produced 4 episodes of The Cheetah Girls television series last year, but production was suspended because Raven's show was renewed last year and she was still under contract for that show. Now that her show has finished its run, I imagine the series is likely to be resurrected; although I don't know how many more episodes they would tape before they begin production on the third TV movie.
Re: "The Cheetah Girls 2" Discussion
Post by ohshooter on Aug 28, 2006, 1:56am

Raven's working on a new album as well. It should be out 1st quarter of next year and it's tentatively titled Fly Like A Raven.
Re: "The Cheetah Girls 2" Discussion
Post by cookymonzta on Aug 28, 2006, 1:59am


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Raven's last album sold over 250k which is really good considering she only had 1 mainstream single released.

Where did you get that figure from? I got the figure of 200,000 from Wikipedia.

Here is something you may be interested in: on her 1999 album Undeniable, the song "Pure Love" was written by American Idol 1 contender Ejay Day. He was one of the first 2 in the final 10 to get the boot I suppose he is still writing songs for other artists.

That album spawned one major hit: "Bounce". It reached number 10 on the R&B charts and number 30 on the Hot 100. The album itself sold barely 100,000.

Re: "The Cheetah Girls 2" Discussion
Post by ohshooter on Aug 28, 2006, 2:01am

I work in music promotion. It sold 250,000.
Re: "The Cheetah Girls 2" Discussion
Post by cookymonzta on Aug 28, 2006, 2:05am


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Kelly did not flop miserably...she had 2 singles in the US and 3 worldwide and ended up selling 2 million which is not bad at all

Indeed. But it seems, like Anastacia, she had far better success elsewhere than she did in the U.S. The single "Stole" went no higher than 27 on the Hot 100. The album barely went gold in the U.S.
Re: "The Cheetah Girls 2" Discussion
Post by cookymonzta on Aug 28, 2006, 3:49am


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Where's Raven in that pic above? She seems to be only with them in the movies..


Raven don't hang out with D list actresses.  Raven is such a DIVAH 8-)

Which brings me to a distressing post I came across, at Amazon.com, while looking for information regarding the 2nd album:  It seems that Raven might not be in the 3rd movie.  They're likely to use Jessica Benson, who is supposedly 3LW's new member (replacing Naturi).

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000FZD....0007258?ie=UTF8

Because of this, Adrienne Bailon ("Chanel") may end up leaving as well.  If she stays, I think Disney is going to have a very hard time promoting this group with all 3 members of 3LW.  Are these the Cheetah Girls, or is this 3LW featuring Sabrina Bryan?

Not good.  I know Raven has more plans for her future, but when a project like this lies dormant for 3 years (the first film was made in 2003), you just don't pick up and leave once it is resurrected and it gets hot again (which will depend on the ratings for this movie).

If the rumors of her impending departure are true, it may end up boosting sales of the second album.  But I'm starting to think she should consider staying, in case her next album doesn't fare much better than her last.

Somehow, maybe xluvxduffxmusicx has a point with post #43.  Which is to say that it may be too soon for Raven to leave.  But then again, she has been in the business 17 years, and there may be a theatrical movie around the corner for her.  She doesn't need the group long-term, but I do think she needs one more movie with them, before she can really strike out on her own.

In most cases, you cut off the head, the rest of the body fails; and in some cases, the head does not fare very well, either, especially if the body is very young. In this case, the Cheetah Girls have not been around very long, and with Raven's solo album sales numbers nowhere close to reaching musical or radio A-list status (her television sit-com A-list status is intact), she'd be well-advised to stay for Cheetah Girls 3.
Re: "The Cheetah Girls 2" Discussion
Post by thewbrocks67 on Aug 28, 2006, 9:21am

Raven can't leave. Her show is over and her music career only did modest at best. She is probably getting alot of money for these Cheetah Girl movies so why would she not do another one when she hasnt got alot of other stuff going on for her? (the production of Cheetah Girls 3 would definilty be after shes done working on her next album).

Plus, alot of people watch Cheetah Girls FOR Raven.

Disney Channel better not screw this up because if they screw with the casting and make a ton of changes, they could lose all of the audience that they had gained who watched these movies. It should be, again, the 4 cheetah girls, Raven, Sabrina, Adrienne, and Kiely. Stick with that!
Re: "The Cheetah Girls 2" Discussion
Post by thewbrocks67 on Aug 28, 2006, 9:24am

Also, I'm afraid that the Cheetah Girls are getting pissed at Raven because shes only with them in the movies. Raven didnt even participate in the "Cheetah-licious christmas" CD. Raven should be dedicated to them because they are makinig Raven even more popular.
Re: "The Cheetah Girls 2" Discussion
Post by koalaclement on Aug 28, 2006, 12:27pm


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"It's Over" was the best song.

Re: "The Cheetah Girls 2" Discussion
Post by thewbrocks67 on Aug 28, 2006, 12:50pm

I like "Strut" the best while "The Party's Just Begun", "Amigas Cheetahs" and "Step Up" are also great!
Re: "The Cheetah Girls 2" Discussion
Post by lyricos on Aug 28, 2006, 12:50pm

i loved Adrienne and (Marisol) Dorinda's song in spanish, that was my fav.
Re: "The Cheetah Girls 2" Discussion
Post by cookymonzta on Aug 28, 2006, 1:50pm


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Raven can't leave. Her show is over and her music career only did modest at best. She is probably getting alot of money for these Cheetah Girl movies so why would she not do another one when she hasnt got alot of other stuff going on for her? (the production of Cheetah Girls 3 would definilty be after shes done working on her next album).

Plus, alot of people watch Cheetah Girls FOR Raven.

Disney Channel better not screw this up because if they screw with the casting and make a ton of changes, they could lose all of the audience that they had gained who watched these movies. It should be, again, the 4 cheetah girls, Raven, Sabrina, Adrienne, and Kiely. Stick with that!


That brings me back to one of my own quotes:

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In most cases, you cut off the head, the rest of the body fails; and in some cases, the head does not fare very well, either, especially if the body is very young.

Case in point:  The Spice Girls.  Although I don't know who was actually the lead, they were in the spotlight continuously for only 2 years, until Geri Halliwell decided to go solo.  Since then, all of their careers, as a 4-girl group and as solo artists (Geri included), have been rather sporadic at best.

Raven's big fear is that she does not want to be typecast into her character.  If she wants popularity for her singing, she wants it on her own name and not because of the character she plays. 

Personally, I don't think she has to be worried about being typecast.  She is more widely known for her role as 3-year-old Olivia in The Cosby Show (her debut in 1989).  That character is almost a legend in the pantheon of child stardom.  In addition, she has had 4 years on That's So Raven; almost 100 episodes, the longest run of any first-run series on Disney, the only show to have ever been renewed for a 4th season.

No; she does not have to worry about being typecast into her role of Galleria.  Consider that Captain Kirk made William Shatner a legend; yet, he was able to parlay that into another legendary role:  Sgt. T.J. Hooker.  He's been a narrator for Rescue 911, a narrator for various space documentaries, and the character of the head of a law firm in Boston Legal...

...which is what Raven seems to be doing right now, as actress, singer and producer.  Why would she worry about being typecast for her Cheetah Girls role?  Not to mention that the Cheetahs have been her only gateway to platinum so far.

Which brings me to the girls of 3LW.  Adrienne is considering leaving, because she almost certainly understands that, if Raven leaves, this group, her group and the Disney franchise may be in trouble.  It started with Raven, and it will likely end with Raven.  Furthermore, this group has obviously been the best thing that could possibly happen to 3LW.

Unfortunately, without Raven, 3LW are not likely to get as much attention as they would hope for, even if Jessica Benson should come in to take Raven's place.  And that is because Jessica is Naturi's replacement in 3LW, and no one knows much about her.

As it stands right now, the future of the Cheetah Girls and 3LW are both in Raven's hands, and Raven is not even a 3LW member!  You don't want the Cheetah Girls to turn into a revolving door.  Changing lineups may have worked for Menudo in the 1970s and early-1980s, but that won't work in this day and age.  The public is used to seeing a group stick together, through thick and thin.  They may tolerate one replacement, but in most cases, the lead or founding member is almost always irreplaceable.  Just ask the surviving members of the Grateful Dead and Queen.

And by the way, if anyone has TV ratings information about the 2nd movie, please post it here. It'll be interesting if they can match Fantasia's 6.6 million viewers on Lifetime, or High School Musical's 7.7 on Disney, so far, the top two rated movies on cable this year.
Re: "The Cheetah Girls 2" Discussion
Post by thewbrocks67 on Aug 28, 2006, 2:19pm

I was expecting the ratings to be up today at Mediaweek's The Programming Insider (because they usually post ratings from the Original movies for Disney) but they weren't up.

3LW is dead they should just disband now because they are just too mixed up, there album has been pushed back, they lost a member, they havent had an album since, what, 2002? Nobody really cares about them anymore.

If The Cheetah Girls original cast break up I dont know whats gonna happen.

I look at this way: Raven has nothing right now while the 3LW girls (Adrienne and Keiley) dont have anything either so just stay with The Cheetah Girls and like I said before, possibly make this into an actual group and do a CD thats not a suondtrack to a Cheetah Girls movie. They would really popular that way. The Cheetah Girls 1 soudntrack sold 1.6 million copies!
Re: "The Cheetah Girls 2" Discussion
Post by cookymonzta on Aug 28, 2006, 3:34pm


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3LW is dead they should just disband now because they are just too mixed up, there album has been pushed back, they lost a member, they havent had an album since, what, 2002? Nobody really cares about them anymore.

Obviously.  That is why they need the Cheetah Girls a lot more than Raven, and since Raven is the premier face of Disney today, the careers of the 2 girls of 3LW (and Sabrina, I might add) hang on the fate of the Cheetahs.  I think they need to stay intact for the 3rd movie, and finish the story with the characters' high-school graduation and really big break.


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If The Cheetah Girls original cast break up I dont know whats gonna happen.

Indeed.  Raven's career is a truckload, but she has not yet parlayed her acting career into an A-list (or even B-list) singing career.  She'll need this third movie, and critical acclaim for it, for the music industry to take her seriously.  In the words of Darth Vader, "Obi-Wan has taught you well, but you are not a Jedi yet!"


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I look at this way: Raven has nothing right now while the 3LW girls (Adrienne and Keiley) dont have anything either so just stay with The Cheetah Girls and like I said before, possibly make this into an actual group and do a CD thats not a soundtrack to a Cheetah Girls movie. They would really popular that way. The Cheetah Girls 1 soudntrack sold 1.6 million copies!

Interesting.  They might have something here.  Although Raven fears they will become another Spice Girls, they have something the U.K. quintet didn't:  They didn't exactly come out of absolutely nowhere, and they were not completely manufactured.  They came from other well-known ventures; Raven's reads like a telephone book; Adrienne and Kiely came from 3LW, and Sabrina came from the soaps and sitcoms (read her Wikipedia bio).  But again, while Raven's career is already loaded, the other three are not nearly as well-known, and have far less to show for their early careers.

One other thing:  It may do well for the writers to give them some more serious pop/R&B material for the 3rd movie, but not the kind that would put them in league with the vixens.  We have too many of them as it is.
Re: "The Cheetah Girls 2" Discussion
Post by thewbrocks67 on Aug 28, 2006, 4:06pm

Atleast do the 3rd movie together and then go from there. Actually, the 3rd movie might be the last and then maybe they should do a series..

Raven thinks she is gonna do better doing something else? The Cheetah Girls (aside from her TV show which is ending), are the best thing to happen to her in years.

Also, 3LW wasnt even that big to begin with so they shuold just disband altogether.
Re: "The Cheetah Girls 2" Discussion
Post by cookymonzta on Aug 28, 2006, 11:47pm


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Atleast do the 3rd movie together and then go from there. Actually, the 3rd movie might be the last and then maybe they should do a series..

Rumor has it that the 3rd movie will be ready for telecast somewhere between mid-2007 and early-2008, with perhaps mid-2008 the latest.  If it is that late, they might do better to continue the series now.

They already shot 4 episodes that were never televised.  Disney would best be advised to restart the series, and not let the Cheetah Girls franchise, or the roles, get too old (or should I say young?) for them, or the roles get too old for the franchise.   Raven is soon to be 21, Adrienne will soon be 23, Sabrina will be 22 next month, and Kiely is 20.

If they resurrect the series, they may pick up from where the 2nd movie left off, and have the series follow the characters in situation leading to the 3rd movie.  If they resurrect the series after the 3rd movie (by then, the characters will have graduated from high school), the scriptwriters may create a storyline that follows them through their 1st or 2nd year in college.  Their ages now, and even 2 years later, will not be a problem for a college storyline.


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Raven thinks she is gonna do better doing something else? The Cheetah Girls (aside from her TV show which is ending), are the best thing to happen to her in years.

Raven has done quite well over her 17-year career.  She doesn't have as much to worry about for her acting career.  What I (and some other people here) are trying to point out is that her singing career has not yet reached a status where she is just as well-known for her singing.  Again, her gateway to platinum has come only by way of this group, because her best-selling solo effort (her latest, This Is My Time, from 2004) has only sold 250,000.


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Also, 3LW wasnt even that big to begin with so they shuold just disband altogether.

You will get no argument from me on this one.  Like I said twice before, their careers (at least, the 2 girls who are in the Cheetahs) are in Raven's hands (and I might add, Disney's as well), and will depend on the success of the Cheetah Girls franchise.  In a simple sense, they are Cheetah Girls now.

You may be interested to know, from what I've read so far, that Raven will be on tour with the rest of the Cheetah Girls this fall. This may help improve her sales numbers for her 4th solo album, due in early-2007.  One wonders if any of the other Cheetah Girls will be featured on it.  Of course, we'll have to wait and see how the 2nd soundtrack album fares, and whether it can go platinum, or perhaps top the sales of the first one (1.6 million).
"The Cheetah Girls 2" a ratings winner
Post by cookymonzta on Aug 29, 2006, 12:33am

If High School Musical's 7.7 million viewers during its first run was the highest-rated movie in the Disney Channel's history, The Cheetah Girls (7.8 million) just broke that record with their 2nd movie.

http://tv.yahoo.com/news/va/20060829/115683700900.html

If there was another reason for Raven and Adrienne to stay with this group, this was it. If there was a reason to restart the weekly television series, this was certainly it.

Now, the real question:  How well will the album do?  Will it sell even half what HSM sold (2.96 million, as of now), given that this album is primarily fusion pop/R&B?
Re: "The Cheetah Girls 2" Discussion
Post by xluvxduffxmusicx on Aug 29, 2006, 1:04am

^^ If it was based on talent then HSM would have sold 296 copies & The Cheetah Girls 2 would have sold more that 2.5 million.
Re: "The Cheetah Girls 2" Discussion
Post by thewbrocks67 on Aug 29, 2006, 9:09am

I knew it would break records!

Well the Cheetah Girls soundtrack is ready to hit 100k this week in sales which would bring it to about 190k, and if it keeps staying stable like HSM, it will atleast hit 1 million.
Re: "The Cheetah Girls 2" Discussion
Post by cookymonzta on Aug 29, 2006, 3:46pm


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I knew it would break records!

Well the Cheetah Girls soundtrack is ready to hit 100k this week in sales which would bring it to about 190k, and if it keeps staying stable like HSM, it will atleast hit 1 million.

As of 4:40 P.M., it has sold another 45,000. I imagine by the time they're done tabulating total sales for the week, they will have sold at least another 60,000...

...And that is before the telecast of the movie. Given that the movie just broke High School Musical's record for the highest-rated Disney Channel movie, I imagine next week's number could jump to 150,000. Danity Kane ought to be sweating now.

If you're interested, go to the Web site of the author and designer who created the Cheetah Girls:

http://www.cheetahrama.com/

Obviously, she has hit paydirt.
Re: "The Cheetah Girls 2" Discussion
Post by thewbrocks67 on Aug 29, 2006, 4:01pm

Yeah this week it will probably end up selling I think close to what it sold last week and then next week atleast hit 100k.

This is another reason why I think that this should happen:

To Adrienne and Kiely: DUMP 3LW. STICK WITH THE CHEETAH GIRLS.
To Raven: DUMP YOUR SOLO CAREER. STICK WITH THE CHEETAH GIRLS.

Do you know how much more famous they would get if they did everything as the Cheetah Girls and even did some studio albums?
Re: "The Cheetah Girls 2" Discussion
Post by cookymonzta on Aug 30, 2006, 12:56am


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Yeah this week it will probably end up selling I think close to what it sold last week and then next week atleast hit 100k.

This is another reason why I think that this should happen:

To Adrienne and Kiely: DUMP 3LW. STICK WITH THE CHEETAH GIRLS.
To Raven: DUMP YOUR SOLO CAREER. STICK WITH THE CHEETAH GIRLS.

After selling another 80.4K (nearly 168K total), I think next week's sales will sound the alarm very loudly for them to consider abandoning their side projects.

If they can sell 87.4K in their first week and 80.4K in their second, even before the telecast of the 2nd movie, imagine the possibilities of this coming week's sales.  By breaking all of High School Musical's ratings records on Disney, I expect the record racks to run wild, and the fans to leave record shops with anywhere from 150,000 to 180,000 copies!  By this time next week, they should have about 350,000 total copies, and go gold in another 2 weeks.  They are surely to be certified next week.

That will be a convincing testament to the fact that you don't have to go the vixen route to sell.  TLC never even tried to use the vixen element the way many of today's pop/R&B stars are using it.  That is how the Cheetah Girls will stand out among the rest.


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Do you know how much more famous they would get if they did everything as the Cheetah Girls and even did some studio albums?

You are likely to get your wish.  One Web report has it that Raven was set to release another solo album in early-2007.  But another Web report says that, soon after the Cheetah Girls are finished with their fall tour, all 4 girls will get back in the studio to record another album.  With the third movie not likely to be ready for telecast until 2008, this album will almost certainly be an all-out studio album, obviously with serious material aiming for pop/AC/R&B radio.

Consider this:  It has been an immensely long time since anyone or any group of people were able to turn a completely fictional singing group into a successful group in reality.  [Look these names up in Wikipedia.  You might be interested.]

Six years ago, MTV formed 2Ge+her.  Their first album went gold, and they released a 2nd album.  They had a TV series that ended in 2001, unfortunately because of the death of its youngest member, 16-year-old Michael Cuccione (Hodgkin's disease).

14 years ago, FOX created the series The Heights, which lasted 3 months, following the trials and tribulations of a fictional group.  They had one major hit; "How Do You Talk To An Angel?"  That song went to number 1 on the Hot 100.  Jamie Walters, the lead actor in the series, was also the lead singer.

The next 2 really need no description:
The Archies were a fictional group consisting of the characters from the world-famous Archie comics and cartoons.  Don Kirshner put together a group to record "Sugar, Sugar" in 1969, among a few other songs, which were included in the cartoons.

The Monkees!  Some of you are probably not yet out of college, but I'd bet good money you have heard or read of this quartet (Mickey Dolenz, Mike Nesmith, Peter Tork and Davy Jones) at one time or another.  What you may not know is that, at the time when they were put together by way of audition in 1965, they did not play any instruments (studio musicians played their biggest hits).  At some point between the show's demise in 1968 (they broke up in 1970) and the 1980s, they learned to play.  Their last big hit was in 1986; "That Was Then, This Is Now", one for which they played the instruments themselves.  It reached number 20 on the Hot 100.  As far as I know, the Monkees are by far the most successful fictional group-turned-real group, having once given the Beatles some serious competition in the years 1966-1968.

Can the Cheetah Girls come even halfway close?  If the girls, the producers, and even Disney, play their cards right, this album on the charts right now, or even their next, could go double-platinum or even triple-platinum with little trouble.  The creator of the group, Deborah Gregory, intended this group not to be another group of vixens (if you're not sure about that, read her Cheetah Girls books).  I expect they will stay that way, and reach their audience without going to extremes the way some individual female artists (too many to name) and some girl groups (like the Pussycat Dolls) did.  It worked for TLC; it should work for the Cheetah Girls, because right now the pop/R&B music world could use a girl group like them, once again.

Re: "The Cheetah Girls 2" Discussion
Post by xluvxduffxmusicx on Aug 30, 2006, 1:23am

^ If they were smart then they WOULD stay in the Cheetah Girls.
Re: "The Cheetah Girls 2" Discussion
Post by cookymonzta on Aug 31, 2006, 2:52am


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^ If they were smart then they WOULD stay in the Cheetah Girls.

I gather they will, given this week's sales report.  Hits Daily Double didn't mention them in the predictions for next week.  They have Bob Dylan on pace for 130,000 and the number 1 spot.  But if the record-breaking ratings for The Cheetah Girls 2 movie does for this album what High School Musical did for its corresponding album, after flying well under the radar for 2 weeks before the telecast, those HDD forecasters are in for a big surprise.  I still think they may double this week's sales, and sell between 150,000 and 180,000 next week, and perhaps steal the number 1 spot.

In my last post, I forgot to mention one other famous fictional group that became real:  It was the comedic duo of Dan Aykroyd and John Belushi.  Of course, I'm talking about The Blues Brothers.  Shortly after their debut on Saturday Night Live in 1978, they released an album called Briefcase Full Of Blues.  That album went double-platinum.
Re: "The Cheetah Girls 2" Discussion
Post by thewbrocks67 on Aug 31, 2006, 7:09am

Good News: The Cheetah Girls' "Strut" debuts at #60 on The Billboard Hot 100.

NOW are the girls convinced that they should stay as the Cheetah Girls?
Re: "The Cheetah Girls 2" Discussion
Post by thewbrocks67 on Aug 31, 2006, 7:10am

Also, "The Party's Just Begun" debuts at #94
Re: "The Cheetah Girls 2" Discussion
Post by computerfreak on Aug 31, 2006, 6:35pm

Wow, higher ratings than HSM? And selling well + a couple BBH100 debuts? CHEETAH POWER baby.
Re: "The Cheetah Girls 2" Discussion
Post by jayd83 on Aug 31, 2006, 7:42pm

I'm going to sound very stupid right now, but where can I find a Cheetah forum? They have gotten me under their spell.
Re: "The Cheetah Girls 2" Discussion
Post by cookymonzta on Sept 1, 2006, 3:55pm


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I'm going to sound very stupid right now, but where can I find a Cheetah forum?  They have gotten me under their spell.

Try this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cheetah_Girls
Any one of the links in this category should contain a link that may direct you to a Cheetah Girls forum.
Re: "The Cheetah Girls 2" Discussion
Post by cookymonzta on Sept 2, 2006, 3:32am

And by the way, do any of you know if any of these girls can play a musical instrument?
Re: "The Cheetah Girls 2" Discussion
Post by babyboylrtm on Sept 2, 2006, 8:28am

Well they are coming to PR on November 18 but Raven isn't on the poster....
Re: "The Cheetah Girls 2" Discussion
Post by cookymonzta on Sept 2, 2006, 11:42pm


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Well they are coming to PR on November 18 but Raven isn't on the poster....

She will be there.  That poster was printed with the assumption that Raven's other projects would keep her from participating in the tour.  But according to 2 sources, she will be part of this tour.

Personally, I would have to assume that the record-breaking success of the 2nd movie, and the album's march toward gold, got her, her agents and her associates into thinking what might happen if she were to gamble on passing up this tour for her other projects (including her 4th solo album) and lose.  Her last album sold only 250,000 copies, and she can't afford to attempt to generate any publicity for her 4th album if she leaves the other 3 girls out to dry.  That won't help her solo campaign, and I think she knows it now.  She realizes she is part of this group, and she must support the group just as much (and maybe more) as she would her own projects.

By the way, the Cheetahs will be on Regis and Kelly on Labor Day (Monday, 9/4).  Let's hope that Raven is with them.  She showed up with the other 3 girls on Good Morning America, 2 days before the movie aired.
Re: "The Cheetah Girls 2" Discussion
Post by thewbrocks67 on Sept 3, 2006, 10:21am

Raven is dumb if she doesnt stick with the Cheetahs plus the money aspect is probably huge. Cheetah Girls 2 Soundtrack will sell what where last solo CD did its whole run in like 3 weeks.

Good about the Regis and Kelly thing.. I can check it out tomorrow before I go to school on Tuesday :( .. Raven better be there.
Re: "The Cheetah Girls 2" Discussion
Post by jayd83 on Sept 4, 2006, 12:53pm

As many of you already know, Raven was NOT there today at Regis and Kelly.
Re: "The Cheetah Girls 2" Discussion
Post by thewbrocks67 on Sept 4, 2006, 1:07pm

Raven sucks.. period.
Re: "The Cheetah Girls 2" Discussion
Post by cookymonzta on Sept 4, 2006, 2:32pm


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As many of you already know, Raven was NOT there today at Regis and Kelly.

Unfortunately, she wasn't there this time.  She was in Detroit last night, according to her schedule from RavenLive.com.  Some of her appearances overlap the Cheetahs' tour dates.  Did you notice that there was no mention of Raven from Regis, Kelly or the girls?

If I may speculate, Raven's absence may be the reason why the girls couldn't get booked on other shows, like Jay Leno or Dave Letterman, to promote the movie.  Had Raven not been able to make the date for Good Morning America (August 23), the other 3 might not have appeared on that show as well.  The date for Regis and Kelly was probably set before they knew whether Raven would be there or not.  Then again, if I remember correctly, Regis co-hosted a Christmas special on ABC at Disneyland (or was it Walt Disney World), and the other 3 were there; which is why they were scheduled for Regis and Kelly.

I would assume Raven realizes that she is the heart and soul of the group.  Without her, they are basically the equivalent of 3LW with a second replacement (Sabrina).  That is not going to sell albums or tickets; and if there is any speculation that Raven will not be a part of the Cheetahs' first all-out studio album in 2007, the album will flop, regardless how good the songs are.  If that happens, that is likely to reflect poorly on her next solo effort and 3LW's next effort (if you heard Adrienne correctly, that project is still a go).

As far as I know, Raven will be a part of the fall tour.  You can best believe that her biggest fans want her there, and they will be sorely disappointed if she isn't.  If she isn't too busy, I'd bet the farm she'll make at least 25 of the 35 dates that are scheduled for the Cheetahs in the U.S.  Her list of solo appearances ends with October 21, and only 6 of those appearances overlap the Cheetah Girls' tour appearances, including the first day, September 15.

With this tour being a headliner for the Cheetahs, and Raven being a headliner name, I'd bet good money she will not want to miss this tour.  Good publicity for her and the other girls.  Without her, it is bad publicity or none at all for any of them.  And I doubt she wants that tour to be completely dominated by one question, asked over and over again, by the kids, no less:  "Where is Raven?"  That will surely tug at her conscience right up until Christmas (if not beyond), when the Cheetah Girls 2 DVD is released.

Re: "The Cheetah Girls 2" Discussion
Post by jayd83 on Sept 4, 2006, 4:06pm

I just don't understand it. I just got into these "Cheetah Girls" with the second movie (I just saw the first one about a month ago) and I thought they were a pretty good group. Then after seeing them on GMA, I was won over, just to have Raven not want to participate. IMO, they suck without Raven, they are just another pop group.
Re: "The Cheetah Girls 2" Discussion
Post by lyricos on Sept 4, 2006, 4:14pm

They dont suck without Raven, they're just incomplete. Adrienne can carry them vocally but her and Raven compliment each other in alot.
Re: "The Cheetah Girls 2" Discussion
Post by jayd83 on Sept 4, 2006, 4:40pm

^^I can go for that. I guess it's just a matter of personal taste.
Re: "The Cheetah Girls 2" Discussion
Post by cookymonzta on Sept 5, 2006, 12:12am


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They dont suck without Raven, they're just incomplete. Adrienne can carry them vocally but her and Raven compliment each other in alot.

Exactly the word I was looking for!  Incomplete!

In the pantheon of pop and R&B music (and I might add, even jazz and a few other genres as well), the loss of a perennial leader usually cripples a group or even puts them out of business.

Rage Against the Machine broke up when lead vocalist Zack de la Rocha left.  The deaths of lead artists Freddie Mercury and Jerry Garcia pretty much put Queen and the Grateful Dead out of business.  [The survivors still tour, but it is not the same for them.  Freddie and Jerry were irreplaceable.]

Acrimony tore the Beatles apart in 1970.  From what I understand about how they broke up, they could not survive with either John Lennon or Paul McCartney out of the group.

Background vocalist Florence Ballard was considered expendable (kicked out in 1967); but once Diana Ross left the Supremes in 1970 (to be replaced), they began their slow march toward oblvion.  When longtime member Mary Wilson finally left in 1976, that was the end.

Smokey Robinson left the Miracles in 1972.  Except for "Love Machine" in 1974, the remaining group never had another hit again.  See the point I'm making, about what happens when the heart and soul of a group leaves?

Lionel Richie's departure from the Commodores in 1982 left them lucky to have two big hits ("Nightshift", 1985, and "Take It To The Bank", 1986), before they were finished.

The only group that comes to my mind, that managed to survive with a new lead vocalist was AC/DC.  The death of Bon Scott in 1980 meant a big scramble for Malcolm and Angus Young to find a new lead vocalist.  They found Brian Johnson, and created Back In Black.  Who would have guessed that the album would sell 19 million copies, and ensure the continuation of the group for at least another 2 decades?

Which brings me to two girl groups, one of which the Cheetahs remind me so much of:

Unlike Destiny's Child, where Beyoncé was almost always the lead vocalist, the group En Vogue, had no lead vocalist.  They all led on one track or another.  Such diversity in sharing the duties of leading the group made them all irreplaceable.

Their last big hit was the double-platinum "Don't Let Go" (from the 1996 movie Set It Off).  Then in early-1997 Dawn Robinson left the other 3 to complete the tracks for their album EV3.  Compared to their previous albums, this one was a flop.  The next one, in 1999 (Masterpiece Theater), was pretty much such a disaster that it was apparent that time had passed them by, and the fans had already migrated to another female group, which also had no lead vocalist...

...That group, of course, was TLC.  From my observation, the Cheetahs closely resemble them; and if I am correct, of the girl groups that have been in existence since 1970, none have survived longer without losing a member permanently.  TLC's first recording, "Ain't 2 Proud 2 Beg", hit the airwaves in December, 1991.  Lisa 'Left-Eye' Lopes was killed in a car crash in Honduras in April, 2002.  The album '3D' was released in November of that year, with tracks recorded before Lisa's death.

That marked the end for TLC; more than 10 years between recordings.


Although KISS survived with temporary replacements, the original members came back in the end.

The question is, if Raven changes her mind and decides not to go on this tour, will she come back, should her presence be essential to the success of the studio album in 2007, or the 3rd film in 2008?

I should add that, even though all the members of the Cheetahs are excellent singers who could possibly lead on one track or another, unlike TLC or En Vogue they have not established themselves as a group where everyone is a lead vocalist.  The soundtracks demonstrate that, with Raven leading on almost all of them.

Raven's long career, the character she plays, and the tracks on which she leads, make her the perennial lead vocalist.  I think even she knows that.  Without her, the Cheetahs are basically 3LW with Sabrina as the new member (replacing Jessica Benson, who replaced Naturi Naughton), because Adrienne is the lead vocalist of that group.

Raven's presence as leader (along with Sabrina's) is what makes this group different from what 3LW is or was.  By design, this group is meant to be different from 3LW, and Raven and her presence define that difference, which neither Adrienne nor Kiely can escape or replace, because they are 3LW members, and Adrienne was the perennial lead vocalist of that group.

So, what L.S. says is essentially correct; they are incomplete without Raven.  They are as 3LW would be with another new member (i.e., Naturi>Jessica>Sabrina).  With Raven and Adrienne swapping co-lead duties, they become a different group altogether.  Once more, they recorded as a quartet, they should perform as a quartet.  It would be rather awkward, and I would suspect annoying, if they had to cut out Raven's parts every time they had to perform without her.  That is what they did on Regis and Kelly; a 3:02 song reduced to 2:19.

Raven does not have to be the character; she needs only to be the singer she already is.  And once again, despite the fact that she is successful enough in acting that she feels she does not need to be with the group (even on every critical occasion), her singing career is nowhere close to making the A-list (250,000 copies of her last album).  This group has been her only gateway to platinum; and if she does not want to lose the public's attention, or support, for her next solo album, she'd be well advised to stick to her promise of joining the tour this fall, and support the franchise that Deborah Gregory created, for which her presence, as of now, is the biggest factor in its even greater success.  Would the movie have drawn a record 7.8 million viewers if she had not been in it?  I doubt it.

The question now is, how many of the 35 tour dates will Raven make?  I'm betting on at least 25.


Then, of course, there is the non-soundtrack studio album in 2007 to contend with.  And once again, with Raven, they are legitimately the Cheetahs; without her, they are basically 3LW with another new member.  Disney and Hollywood records ought to consider this carefully, before they bring the producers and songwriters into the studio in January.  Even if only for another 3 or 4 years, this group, with Raven, could fill a big void left behind by TLC, who marketed themselves primarily with party tunes, comedy and serious messages (and it worked; nearly 25 million albums in the U.S. over 11 years), rather than the obvious elements of overt seduction and sex used by today's girl groups and some individual vocalists.
Re: "The Cheetah Girls 2" Discussion
Post by jayd83 on Sept 5, 2006, 3:48pm


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Raven does not have to be the character; she needs only to be the singer she already is. And once again, despite the fact that she is successful enough in acting that she feels she does not need to be with the group (even on every critical occasion), her singing career is nowhere close to making the A-list (250,000 copies of her last album). This group has been her only gateway to platinum; and if she does not want to lose the public's attention, or support, for her next solo album, she'd be well advised to stick to her promise of joining the tour this fall, and support the franchise that Deborah Gregory created, for which her presence, as of now, is the biggest factor in its even greater success. Would the movie have drawn a record 7.8 million viewers if she had not been in it? I doubt it.


Everything you said is dead on. I just do not understand for the life of my me why Raven wouldn't want to be a part of this already SUCCESSFUL group. The hard work has been done. All she has to do is SHOW UP.
Re: "The Cheetah Girls 2" Discussion
Post by cookymonzta on Sept 5, 2006, 11:06pm


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Everything you said is dead on.  I just do not understand for the life of my me why Raven wouldn't want to be a part of this already SUCCESSFUL group.  The hard work has been done.  All she has to do is SHOW UP. 

I think this time she will.  Here's an excerpt from Wikipedia:

The Party's Just Begun Tour
In July of 2006 the girls stated to Disney 365, a brief Disney Channel So Hot Summer news program, that they would be hitting the road again in September of 2006, however they didn't state whether or not Raven-Symoné would be joining them. But in a more recent interview they confirmed that Raven would be going with them. An ad inside of the Cheetah Girls 2 soundtrack confirmed the name of the tour to be "The Party's Just Begun Tour".


According to Wikipedia, in the interview (probably not the same one) August 23, on Good Morning America, they revealed that she would be joining them.  [I did not see this interview, but I imagine there is a videoclip somewhere on the Web.]

Now, down to business.  Another 80,617 copies; and when Billboard gets finished retabulating the sales, that number may get bumped up to around 81,500, giving them a 3-week total of 250,000 copies.  If I'm not mistaken, it took 10 weeks for the Cheetahs' first album (2003) to sell that many (correct me if I'm wrong; and I probably am), on its way to 1.582 million.  Raven's latest solo effort (This Is My Time, 2004, her 3rd and best effort) ran out of gas at that mark.

Billboard's sales year ends with the November 25 issue.  Therefore, if the Cheetahs want to go platinum (again) before that time, they would have to reach a million by the time HDD's count on November 14 is finalized.  They have another 10 weeks, an average of 75,000 a week; and the way album sales are going this year, this will be a very bumpy ride.  I wonder how many weeks it took the first album to get to a million.  And how many weeks did it take High School Musical to get to a million?

By the way, judging by how well "Strut" has been doing on various charts early, I think now is a good time for the 4 of them to consider making a proper video for the song.

Re: "The Cheetah Girls 2" Discussion
Post by thewbrocks67 on Sept 6, 2006, 3:49pm

Well Cheetahs are being very consistent with 80k a week and with another re-airing of the movie soon, the sales will probably see little drops :)
Re: "The Cheetah Girls 2" Discussion
Post by cookymonzta on Sept 7, 2006, 1:04am


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Well Cheetahs are being very consistent with 80k a week and with another re-airing of the movie soon, the sales will probably see little drops :)

Indeed.  You can bet the farm that Disney will employ the same strategy they used for HSM.  With Raven on the tour (if they're as good as their word, and she goes), that can only help the album keep its current pace (80K-90K weekly), or increase it.

In my previous post, I stated that they should consider making a proper video for "Strut", since that one is the highest of their singles on the chart (#53 on the Hot 100).  I don't know if they made a video for "The Party's Just Begun".

They should also consider throwing some of their energy at one of the songs not featured in the movie itself; namely,  "Cherish The Moment".   Here's a short audio clip:

http://mfile.akamai.com/14147/rm/muze.do.....ram?obj=v60731

or

http://mfile.akamai.com/14147/wm2/muze.d.....asx?obj=v60815

This one, I think they should really consider making a video for.  Not only that, they ought to remix it to give it more of a serious pop/R&B radio edge to it.  Personally, I think they ought to have done the same for "The Party's Just Begun" and "Strut".
Re: "The Cheetah Girls 2" Discussion
Post by jayd83 on Sept 7, 2006, 10:24am

I hope they put out a press release letting people know if Raven is gonna be on tour or not. If she's not, I'm not going.
Re: "The Cheetah Girls 2" Discussion
Post by cookymonzta on Sept 8, 2006, 11:42am


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I hope they put out a press release letting people know if Raven is gonna be on tour or not.  If she's not, I'm not going.

You're not the only one in this department.  I gather that a lot more people will wait for such confirmation before deciding whether to attend.  The stakes are much higher now than it was after their first movie in 2003.  Raven and the 2 girls of 3LW have put out side projects since then, and they both flopped (2nd time for 3LW**, 3rd for Raven).  At this point, they fare better together than apart.  I don't know how Sabrina's BYou exercise DVD fared.

There is a rumor that the third movie may go to the theaters.  You can bet that Raven will almost certainly be in on that one.  I hope the producers don't change the lineup at all in a misguided attempt to sell more tickets than they could ever hope to sell.  The lineup they have is just fine the way it is.

(**Not counting the Cheetah-licious Christmas album that Raven was not involved in)
Re: "The Cheetah Girls 2" Discussion
Post by thewbrocks67 on Sept 8, 2006, 7:04pm

Well, I can say now, if Disney releases "The Cheetah Girls 3" in theaters, it will most like be pretty big!

Though, I do have to say, I think maybe it should stick to TV because you never know, the ratings could even be bigger for 3rd movie.
Re: "The Cheetah Girls 2" Discussion
Post by cookymonzta on Sept 9, 2006, 3:46pm

Raven is scheduled to appear on TRL during the week of Sept. 11-15.  Maybe she'll clue us in on whether she'll stick with her original schedule, or make the first date of the Cheetahs' concert tour.  Various Raven-related Web pages have her scheduled to make an appearance in Detroit on Friday, 9/15, which is the first date for the Cheetahs' tour, in Seattle.

If we're lucky, she'll tell us where things are headed, with regard to the 3rd movie, and give us details on their first all-out studio album (recording starts in December or January).
Re: "The Cheetah Girls 2" Discussion
Post by jayd83 on Sept 9, 2006, 4:28pm


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If we're lucky, she'll tell us where things are headed, with regard to the 3rd movie, and give us details on their first all-out studio album (recording starts in December or January).


Hold up! The Cheetah Girls are recording a studio album?
Re: "The Cheetah Girls 2" Discussion
Post by ohshooter on Sept 9, 2006, 6:43pm

Yeah, they are.
Re: "The Cheetah Girls 2" Discussion
Post by cookymonzta on Sept 10, 2006, 3:17am


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If we're lucky, she'll tell us where things are headed, with regard to the 3rd movie, and give us details on their first all-out studio album (recording starts in December or January).


Hold up!  The Cheetah Girls are recording a studio album?

Aye!  Here is an excerpt from Wikipedia:

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Cheetah_Girls_%28girl_group%29)

Untitled

The Cheetah Girls plan to release their fourth studio album sometime in 2007. They will start recording it in December 2006 after The Party's Just Begun Tour ends. Kiely Williams said in an interview with Disney Insider Magazine "Our new album won't be another Christmas album. We feel like we've done that so we're not going to do it again. Our new album will be full of new material and it will be something that you haven't ever seen from The Cheetah Girls."

Actually, it would be Raven's third Cheetahs album.  She wasn't involved with the Cheetah-licious Christmas project in 2005, which sold only 131,000 copies.

It is my understanding that the target audience for the soundtrack albums was between the ages of 7 and 17.  Given what Kiely said regarding the studio album, one can almost be assured that the target audience will stretch out, to seriously include the 15-to-24 crowd.  This will not be a typical Disney album

I'm willing to wage that this album will include 3 aspects that I believe will sell:  The precision harmonization that made En Vogue one of the top female groups of the 1990s; the will to convey messages, similar to what made TLC a diamond-selling group (I'm sure some of you have heard "Waterfalls" or "Unpretty"); and the concept of having fun, the way the Spice Girls did (although I'd rather that the Cheetahs don't put out anything that sounds remotely like a Spice Girl tune).  The Cheetahs are all in their early-20s; so were the girls in the 3 groups I've mentioned, when they were in their prime.

Bet the farm on a couple of real ballads.  I'd even assume that each girl will get to be the prime lead on one tune.  You can be assured of one or two Spanish-language tunes as well, for which Adrienne Bailon and Sabrina Bryan will almost certainly lead (read their bios at Wikipedia).

If the soundtrack to the 2nd movie manages to go double-platinum, they'd be in good shape to double that for their studio album, if they choose their producers wisely.

As for the tour, an earlier concert tour poster had only the 3 girls who made the Christmas album. The new poster (which was posted at Wikipedia on 9/8 and removed 9/10) features all 4.

I suspect Disney wouldn't have put this poster out if Raven wasn't going to be there.  Nevertheless, let's see how many dates she actually makes.  There are 35 in all.
Re: "The Cheetah Girls 2" Discussion
Post by jayd83 on Sept 10, 2006, 8:08am

Man, I just wish I knew something more *concrete* I wanna see these songs performed live by 4 members, not 3.
Re: "The Cheetah Girls 2" Discussion
Post by computerfreak on Sept 10, 2006, 6:49pm


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Our new album will be full of new material and it will be something that you haven't ever seen from The Cheetah Girls


Don't they mean something we haven't HEARD before?
Re: "The Cheetah Girls 2" Discussion
Post by computerfreak on Sept 10, 2006, 6:51pm

& Disney Channel is showing a Cheetah Girls concert on T.V. soon but Raven isn't in it. I doubt anyone will watch.
Re: "The Cheetah Girls 2" Discussion
Post by cookymonzta on Sept 10, 2006, 11:46pm


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& Disney Channel is showing a Cheetah Girls concert on T.V. soon but Raven isn't in it. I doubt anyone will watch.

Where did you see or hear that?  And is it a concert that took place late last year or before the 2nd movie aired?  I doubt they would air a concert that is on their current schedule until well after all the dates are completed.

By the way, they're showing the 2nd movie again on Friday, 9/15 at 8:00 P.M. in Spanish, and 9:45 P.M. in English.  For those of you who don't have the first movie on DVD, it comes back to TV on Sunday, 9/17 at 8:00 P.M.

One other note: The question of the song "Cinderella" was brought up, either here or at another site. The song was originally recorded in 2000 by a 5-girl group called i5. Then in 2002 the Swedish girl group Play remade it. The next year came the Cheetahs' version.
Re: "The Cheetah Girls 2" Discussion
Post by ishontheradio on Sept 11, 2006, 12:43am

I find it very interesting (and refreshing) that one of the most mature topics in this forum is the Cheetah Girls one, of all things.

Also, I think this topic is an excellent microcosm of what will happen if Raven does not support the Cheetah Girls... everyone involved will crash & burn. The Cheetahs will be unsuccessful because of no Raven, and Raven will not be as successful without the huge Disney push.
Re: "The Cheetah Girls 2" Discussion
Post by cookymonzta on Sept 11, 2006, 3:45am


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& Disney Channel is showing a Cheetah Girls concert on T.V. soon but Raven isn't in it. I doubt anyone will watch.

Never mind.  I got the info.  It took place July 30 at Disney's California Adventure.  Raven wasn't there.  They'll televise it 9/22 on Disney.

To IshOnTheRadio:
Unlike the years 2003-2005, when few knew just how big the Cheetahs would really become (despite the first album going double-platinum), this year is a different story.  The movie broke a ratings record (7.8M, against HSM's 7.7M) that few believed would be broken at Disney, and the 2nd album is on pace to go gold in 6 weeks.  If I'm not mistaken, it took twice that long for the first album to go gold.

Since Raven plays the lead singer of the fictional group, and for all obvious purposes and reasons is the lead singer of the real group, it's almost become a mandate that she perform with the girls this time.  With 2 members of 3LW being part of this group, without Raven it would be as if 3LW were performing with a new third member; the two groups would be barely distinguishable from one another.  That is why the Cheetahs' Christmas album (without Raven) sold only 131,000 copies.  Raven's presence is what distinguishes the Cheetahs from 3LW, almost completely.

I believe I said this before; the success of the Cheetahs is almost dependent on Raven's presence now.  The longer she stays away, the more likely that she could lose support for her next solo project.  Having sold only 250,000 of her third album in 2004 (her best to date), she can ill-afford to alienate her fans by staying away from the group that has been her only gateway to platinum thus far, and probably the one thing that could boost her solo career.  There have been, in the past, members of groups who have released solo material while remaining active members of their respective groups.

Deborah Gregory, who created the Cheetah Girls in 1999 (though the original concept was fictional, this group is still her group), doesn't have that much of a problem with the arrangement at present (I E-mailed her on the subject of Raven's limited participation, and she responded).  But I wonder; with the possibility that this group could go platinum again, and plans for an all-out studio album in 2007, will she worry about what effect Raven's lack of participation in live performances may have in the future?  I don't think this is what Deborah had in mind for her girls, in fiction or reality. And yes, the 4 girls playing her fictional characters are her girls as well, since it is still her group and she brought them together for the first film in 2002.

If and when the next album drops (the target audience will stretch out, to include the 15-to-24 age group), Raven's presence in future live appearances and performances will most certainly be unavoidable, assuming they are able to put a hit in the top 20 of the Hot 100.  They can't afford to lose support all-around before the 3rd movie in 2008.  This group is only 3 years old now, and we've seen how one loose cog in an engine could stall the whole truck.  Just ask the Spice Girls.

The bios from Wikipedia, and the interview from Good Morning America on 8/23, revealed that she will be joining them on tour.  For that to happen, she will have to cancel a few of her solo dates.  Let's see what happens.


Meanwhile, as of 1:15 P.M. today (9/11), it looks as if they're headed for another 75,000 sales.
Re: "The Cheetah Girls 2" Discussion
Post by cookymonzta on Sept 12, 2006, 12:07am

Raven on TRL Monday, 9/11.  Almost all of the talk was about the animated film Everybody's Hero, where she is the voice of one of the main characters.  Not one word, though, from her or the TRL hosts, about the Cheetahs, the 2nd film or the tour.
Re: "The Cheetah Girls 2" Discussion
Post by cookymonzta on Sept 15, 2006, 12:41pm

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/pop/285143_nightlife15.html?source=rss

Looks like Raven won't be touring with them after all.

I hope she is part of the recording sessions for their studio album in 2007.  If not, it will be another 3LW album, except that Sabrina will be the 3rd member instead of Jessica or Naturi.  It is indeed bad timing for both Raven and the Cheetahs to have albums in the works for 2007.

This could be a negative for Raven.  The longer she stays away from the Cheetahs, the more the fans are likely to forget about her, and the fewer are the sales she can ever hope to have on her next solo album.  She'll be lucky to sell 150,000, lost in the fog of the A-list stars, all because she didn't show on tour for a group representing a television movie series that made the A-list with record-breaking ratings, twice!

The 2nd Cheetahs album is about to go gold, and this group has been her only gateway to gold and platinum.  Without her, it is basically another 3LW project, because you have the same 2 girls of that 3-girl group, plus another member, and Sabrina would appear to be the de facto replacement for Jessica Benson, who replaced Naturi Naughton.  Raven is what makes the Cheetahs an entirely different group.

Message for Raven:  Heed the call of your fans, and take a few lessons from the 2 movies and the songs themselves.  You'll thank them in the end.
Re: "The Cheetah Girls 2" Discussion
Post by thewbrocks67 on Sept 15, 2006, 2:59pm

Why is Raven so stupid? Her next album will probably flop, AGAIN! Why else could she possibly be doing that is better than The Cheetah Girls.

Coming from a fan of Raven and The Cheetha Girls, I say, Raven stop being so dumb and stay with The Cheetah Girls!
Re: "The Cheetah Girls 2" Discussion
Post by jayd83 on Sept 15, 2006, 4:59pm

Well, that's it. J. Word won't be going to the concert. Nor his cousins, and sister. It's a bummer tho.
Re: "The Cheetah Girls 2" Discussion
Post by wave on Sept 15, 2006, 5:02pm

I think she'll tour with them. It could be a rumor.
Re: "The Cheetah Girls 2" Discussion
Post by cookymonzta on Sept 15, 2006, 11:18pm

That remains to be seen.

This is what Raven's schedule of appearances looks like, as of 9/15:

September 15, 2006 Kansas State Fair Hutchinson, KS**
September 16, 2006 Old Glory Amphitheatre Eureko, MO
September 17, 2006 Oklahoma State Fair Oklahoma City, OK
September 23, 2006 Mid - South Fair Main Stage Memphis, TN
September 30, 2006 The Cove/CA exposition Center Sacramento, CA
October 7, 2006 Tulsa State Fair Tulsa, OK
October 10,2006 Southern California Fair Perris, CA
October 14, 2006 Paul Paul Amphitheatre Fresno, CA
October 21, 2006 Southern Carolina State Fair Columbia, SC


**The first Cheetahs concert was in Seattle 9/15:

[Miley Cyrus (Hannah Montana) opens]
September 15, 2006 Key Arena at The Seattle Center Seattle, Washington
September 17, 2006 Portland Memorial Coliseum Portland, Oregon

September 19, 2006 HP Pavilion at San Jose San Jose, California
September 20, 2006 Stockton Arena Stockton, California
September 21, 2006 Gibson Amphitheatre Universal City, California
September 22, 2006 SaveMart Center Fresno, California
September 24, 2006 Dodge Theatre Phoenix, Arizona
September 26, 2006 Lecture Hall Denver, Colorado
September 29, 2006 Allsate Arena Chicago, Illinois
September 30, 2006 Mark of Quad Cities Moline, Illinois
October 1, 2006 Fox Theatere St. Louis, Missouri
October 4, 2006 Nokia Theatre Grand Prairie, Texas
October 5, 2006 AT&T Center San Antonio, Texas
October 6, 2006 Reliant Arena Houston, Texas
October 9, 2006 Jacksonville Arena Jacksonville, Florida
October 10, 2006 BankAtlantic Center Sunrise, Florida
October 11, 2006 St. Pete Times Forum Tampa, Florida
October 13, 2006 Arena at Gwinnett Center Duluth, Georgia
October 14, 2006 Cricket Arena Charlotte, North Carolina
October 15, 2006 Constant Convocation Center Norfolk, Virginia


[Vanessa Anne Hudgens opens]
October 17, 2006 D.A.R. Constitution Hall Washington, DC
October 18, 2006 Hartford Civic Center Hartford, Connecticut
October 20, 2006 Nassau Coliseum Long Island, New York
October 21, 2006 Continental Airlines Arena East Rutherford, New Jersey
October 22, 2006 GIANT Center Hershey, Pennsylvania
November 1, 2006 DCU Center Worcester, Massachusetts
November 3, 2006 Arena at Harbor Yard Bridgeport Connecticut
November 4, 2006 Sovereign Center Reading, Pennsylvania
November 5, 2006 Wachovia Spectrum Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
November 8, 2006 Wolstein Center Cleveland, Ohio
November 9, 2006 Nationwide Arena Columbus, Ohio
November 10, 2006 Masonic Temple Theatre Detroit, Michigan
November 12, 2006 Qwest Center Omaha, Nebraska
November 14, 2006 Milwaukee Theatre Milwaukee, Wisconsin
November 15, 2006 Xcel Energy Center Saint Paul, Minnesota


As you can see, of the 9 dates she has left on her calendar since the start of the Cheetah Girls concert, 6 of them coincide with the Cheetahs' concert dates.  If she had every intention of finishing out her tour, she will have missed 6 of the first 24 dates for the Cheetahs.  Admittedly, the girl has been very busy these days; nevertheless, one wonders if she'll make any or all of the final 11 Cheetah dates.

One thing is certain:  She absolutely must be a part of the recording sessions for the studio album.  The article mentions that they already recorded material for the album, to be released probably sometime between May and July 2007.  Was Raven in the studio with them on those sessions?

If not, and she is not in the studio with them in December or January (for which we will end up with nothing more or less than 3LW redux), and that album fails, and her album fails to match the 250,000 of her previous album, one will wonder if they will be able to sell Cheetah Girls 3 to the public, with Raven apart from them so much.  [You know the old saying: Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me.].

Replacing her is not an option.  I'd bet very good money that she was the first to be called in 2002 for a role in the first movie (the leading role, obviously), since they knew she could sing, and had been a Disney actress since 2001 (if not earlier).  To replace or dump her (or for her to quit outright) is to almost certainly guarantee the group's demise.  She's been the leader a bit too long, and I don't think anyone else at this point can fill her shoes or play her character.  Once more, unless you are as meticulous as were the surviving members of AC/DC in 1980 (when Bon Scott died), replacing a lead vocalist is extremely difficult.  Rarely does a band survive under the circumstances.

They (meaning the 4 girls themselves, Disney and the group's creator, Deborah Gregory) have no idea how much of a potential these 4 girls have in doing something only the Monkees and the Partridge Family (whose only actual singing members were Shirley Jones and David Cassidy; none of the actors played or could play a single instrument) have succeeded in doing; and that is, be the third fictional-turned-real group to put a hit in the top 10 of the Hot 100.

The Monkees landed three #1s, two #2s, two #3s, three other top-20s (one in 1986), and four #1 albums (followed by a #3 album) in the 2 years that their show was televised (and I watched quite a few episodes in my lifetime; and I must admit, they were very convincing).  Canceled in 1968, and after their first 6 albums, departures by Peter Tork at the end of that year, followed by Mike Nesmith as 1970 approached, left a situation that resulted in a 16-year hiatus. Then came the hit "That Was Then, This Is Now", reaching #20 on the Hot 100 in 1986.

The Cheetahs certainly have the voices to make the same impact on the charts well beyond the confines of television, the movies, the soundtracks and Disney itself; but do they have the will to keep them and it together?  Does Raven have the will?  Or the faith? Does Raven realize that at this point her solo future may depend on what happens with the Cheetahs, and what happens to the Cheetahs depends on how much participation they get from her?  You notice they have never been booked on Jay Leno, David Letterman or Carson Daly, even to promote the movie; and that's quite probably because they would only consider it if they could guarantee that everybody (including Raven) showed up to perform.

Deborah Gregory (creator of the fictional group in 1999 and real group in 2002) has no problem with the setup as it is right now, with the 3 girls as the touring group, and Raven doing other events (solo tours, charity events, films or otherwise).  But it makes me wonder if even she will start to worry if, by continuing to go their separate ways, the fans will lose patience with them, and the franchise she created will lose fan support on both sides or fall apart entirely; meaning the support for the other 3 girls dwindles because Raven (being the leader) is not there, and fan support for Raven (as a singer) evaporates because she is not performing with them, especially when many expect to see all 4 together.

I figured them to take on the mainstream next year, and last another 3 or 4 years (they'd be 25-28 by then).  A good long time on the general (i.e., mainstream) front, which added to their Disney recordings would make 8 years (2003-2011).  Which is quite a respectably long time for female groups, since TLC is the only girl group in the last 40 years to survive 10 years, and the only girl group to survive that long without losing a single member permanently.  The question for the Cheetahs is this:  Do they allwant it?

Between the 2 movies of 2003 and 2006, both Raven and the other 3 girls did not fare very well with their separate albums.  Raven's This Is My Time in 2004 sold only 250,000, despite her long career and appearance and short play of the title track before the closing credits of The Princess Diaries 2 (of course, Kelly C.'s "Breakaway" reached number 5 on the Hot 100).  The other 3 girls' Cheetah-licious Christmas in 2005, which could have sold maybe 3 times as many with Raven in it, perhaps even gone gold, sold only 131,000.

It almost certainly goes to show, like one of their songs from their first album, together, they can.  Apart, they don't.  Period.  QED.  They ought to follow the examples their characters set for the young viewers in both movies.  Unfortunately, I fear they will make the same mistake in 2007, as they did in 2004 and 2005, and end up leaving the vixens to continue to have their way on the pop/R&B scene unchallenged for at least the remainder of this decade.  Such a gaping hole that TLC left behind that needs to be filled.  Absolutely none but these girls come even close to being capable of filling that void today.

One other note:  The girl is losing weight.  Compare her appearance on TRL Monday 9/11 to her appearance in the 2nd Cheetah Girls movie, which was filmed in March.
Re: "The Cheetah Girls 2" Discussion
Post by cookymonzta on Sept 16, 2006, 3:12am

And if there was more of a reason for Raven to join the tour at some point, here it is:

http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/060915/20060915005128.html?.v=1

The original schedule had 35 venues between 9/15 and 11/15.  It has now been extended into December, for a total of 57 venues!

And here is Raven's take on why she does not tour with the other 3 girls:

http://www.kansas.com/mld/kansas/15520359.htm
[This has been revised.  I gave you guys the wrong Web address this morning.]

I must say I'm not impressed with her explanation.  As a matter of fact, I don't buy it.  Many an actor or actress who sang have played fictional characters who sing; yet, almost none of them have been so typecast into those characters that their fans only know them for the characters they play.  Even the Monkees stepped beyond the characters they played on television, and they did it most successfully.  When their fans cheered, they cheered for them, and by their real names.  Davy Jones, of course, got most of the attention.  His appearance on The Brady Bunch in 1971 (or was it '72?) demonstrated that.

If she's worried about being typecast into the fictional character of Galleria Garibaldi when she sings, I think her worries and fears are gravely misplaced.  If that were the case, the other 3 girls would be just as hesitant for the same reason, and wouldn't be touring right now!  Furthermore, she is more well-known for the characters she played on the Cosby Show, Hangin' with Mr. Cooper and That's So Raven.  On top of that, she was singing even long before she was chosen to play in the first Cheetah Girls movie!  She is far too well-known to risk being typecast by any stretch of the imagination.

Furthermore, when she steps on the stage, the character she plays is almost completely irrelevant.  When they packed the Disney Hotspot studio 8/25 on the movie's first night, they came to see them, not their characters!  Most of the young fans watching the movie know them by their real names, already...

...And suppose if some of them don't, especially the very young viewers?  They can be forgiven.  When the Monkees traveled, fans everywhere knew them by their real names, regardless whether they were television stars or not.  The fact that they could sing separated them from a fictional group like the Five Heartbeats, whose actors couldn't sing.  They couldn't turn those actors into a real group if they tried...

...But they could for the Monkees and the Cheetahs, because they could sing and perform, and live.  That's why they were able to make these fictional groups their own.  The characters became irrelevant.  They would have certainly become even more irrelevant if these groups were each known by any other name.  [Makes you wonder if Raven would have traveled with them if this group of girls were known by a name other than the Cheetah Girls while on the road.]

Once more, if you had the opportunity to be seen in a far greater forum, wouldn't you do everything possible to make yourself available, knowing that you will gain many more fans by that action?  I wonder how many fans show up at the sites she has been touring.

Last, but not least, the young fans are not so dumb that they will confuse reality with fiction, even if the fictional group and real group have the exact same name.  This group of girls (Raven included) is now a real group.  They established that by singing the tunes themselves and going double-platinum with the first soundtrack.  The young fans know there's a real person behind each of the characters, and unlike Rob and Fab, they are actually singing.  They know the names of the girls who play the characters in the movies.  When they come to an event, in expectation of seeing all 4, and they get 3, they do not ask "Where is Galleria?" (unless they really don't know what her real name is; and again, one should really forgive her very young fans for that).  They ask, over and over again, "Where is Raven??"

Deborah Gregory and Disney could easily have chosen in 2002 to find 4 or 5 girls who looked the part, and used session singers in the background to sing the songs, while the actresses lip-synched and danced in the film.  That is exactly what Frank Farian did, when he found Rob Pilatus and Fab Morvan to lip-sync for Johnny Davis, Brad Howell and Charles Shaw of Milli Vanilli.  Instead, Deborah and Disney did it the only way they could; find girls who could actually sing and sing well, and they didn't have to look far.


It seems to me that Raven wants to go solo or stay solo, and the truth is that, with another solo album slated for release in early-2007, she is afraid that her involvement with the Cheetahs' tour will get in the way of her solo campaign.  Unfortunately, judging by the sales of her last 2 albums, and the sales of the group's last album without her, the fans are not ready for her as a solo artist...

...Best examples that I can think of, at the moment:  Terry Ellis and Dawn Robinson of En Vogue.  Their fans were definitely not ready for them as solo artists, no matter how spectacularly they sang.  Terry's solo album flopped in 1995, and Dawn's album really flopped in 2003.  T-Boz of TLC tried to go solo, with the singles "Touch Myself" (1996), "Ghetto Luv" (1996, featuring Da Brat), "My Getaway" (2000, from Rugrats in Paris), and two other singles, all of which didn't do very well or well enough on the R&B charts to justify going solo full-time.

Her explanation holds even less water when you consider the studio album set for release in mid-2007.  This won't be a soundtrack to the fictional series.  There is no movie or television show behind it, and no storylines to speak of.  Therefore, they will not be confined to the characters they played; although they are still likely to be obligated to set the same example for their young fans, even if their target audience will be fans their age (the 15-to-24 range) for this album.

They have the same name as the fictional group, but they will definitely not be portraying any aspect of the fictional group whatsoever (except maybe the attire).  They will be in the recording studio in January, completely representing themselves as themselves and not their characters.  This is what Raven wants, isn't it?  That is, unless I read wrong in that Kansas news article, and she is puling our legs about wishing to represent herself as herself when she is on stage.  Which, by the way, she would have, if she participates in the recording sessions for a studio album with entirely different material not related to the movie or the characters.

When you succeed in turning a fictional group into a real group, and make the group your own (and the Cheetahs have done that, with only a top-10 hit missing from their resume), the characters become irrelevant, just as they did for the Monkees, the Partridge Family (again, only two of them actually sang), and I might add even the Blues Brothers.  Unfortunately, Raven doesn't believe this.  To be honest, I don't know what she believes.

What makes her think the character she plays won't follow her around wherever she goes?  Captain James T. Kirk certainly followed William Shatner, wherever he went.  But he embraced it, and used it to build upon his resume:  Sgt. T.J. Hooker, 7 years as narrator for Rescue 911, and chief attorney Denny Crane in Boston Legal; not to mention a few Emmy Awards on his shelf.  With Raven's long list of characters over 17 years, she finds it hard to embrace Galleria Garibaldi as just another one of her characters, even if the character is a singing one.  I find that hard to imagine.  She might have done better to give her role to someone else in the 2nd movie, if she really thought this character would get in the way of her singing career in general.  QED.

If her next album fails (and it will be her 4th try), it will fail only because she made so much of an impact as the leading group member, that the fans will likely find it hard once more to accept her as a solo artist, no matter how well she sings. She tried this after 2 album flops ('93 and '99) and the first Cheetah Girls movie, and still failed to make much of an impact.  It happens to a lot of artists who are known for their leading roles in duos or groups.  A lot of lead vocalists of multi-platinum groups have crashed and burned the sooner they went solo.  Only the few who are so gifted (like Phil Collins, Teddy Pendergrass and the supremely legendary Patti LaBelle) or wild (like Ozzy Osbourne and Rob Zombie) are ever successful in their transition from group member to solo artist...

...Unfortunately for Raven, their careers as group members were much longer than hers is now.  She did not prove herself by any respectable measure as a solo artist before she became a Cheetah Girl; but she has proven herself quite well as a Cheetah Girl.  Problem is, she hasn't been a Cheetah Girl nearly long enough!

She may have no other choice but to resume her campaign with the other 3 girls, and really put out an effort to make this group legitimate in the eyes of the general mainstream, before she can ever hope to find real success as a solo artist.  They need her as much as she needs them, even if she won't admit it and despite the early sellouts for the Cheetahs' concerts.  The fans are likely to tell Raven just as much, and for a 2nd time, following her 2004 flop after the success of the Cheetahs in 2003.

I'd hate to think we'll hear another reason for her absences in a segment of VH1's Behind the Music in 2008 or 2009.  And I'd hate to think it will be even more acrimonious than we think right now.  Was there serious friction between Raven and Adrienne?

One other thing:  If ticket sales for the Cheetah Girls concerts start to fall off as we get into mid-October, one will not even have to ask why.

Re: "The Cheetah Girls 2" Discussion
Post by thewbrocks67 on Sept 16, 2006, 8:37am

Raven is just stupid; she is getting all of her priorities mixed up..
Re: "The Cheetah Girls 2" Discussion
Post by cookymonzta on Sept 16, 2006, 1:36pm


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Raven is just stupid; she is getting all of her priorities mixed up..

I believe the word you are looking for is selfish.  It may not apply to her personally, because her charity work demonstrates she is far from that.  But as far as teamwork is concerned, which certainly applies as far as this group and her membership are concerned, the jury is still out on that one. Is she a team player or not? That's the question the fans are likely to ask. When was the last time the leading member of a group did not travel with the rest of the group for an extended period?

The worst thing that could come out of this is that Raven passes up all 57 concert dates (which I'm afraid she might do, and that is an enormously large number of dates, too large for her to make up an excuse for missing even one), and does not participate in the recording of the Cheetahs' studio album in January (in which case, the other 3 would become 3LW Redux); and as a result, that album flops, and so does her next solo album.  If her contract is not long-term, Hollywood Records (which also runs Disney Records) could conceivably do one of two things:

1.  Drop her as a solo artist; in which case, she'd have no choice but to record with the girls or quit;

2.  Drop her altogether; in which case, God forbid, she could very well be replaced in the group, before the third Cheetah Girls movie, if her contract with Disney doesn't make a provision for her appearance or participation in future Cheetah Girls projects.  Very not good, for any of them.
Re: "The Cheetah Girls 2" Discussion
Post by jayd83 on Sept 16, 2006, 2:27pm

That's something. All of that Cheetah-citement from the last few weeks are gone for me. And that's bad, because I am a 22 year old MAN, and a fan of the Cheetahs. Yes, I enjoyed "Backflip" by Raven a few years back, which got me into the Cheetahs, but it wasn't enough to move me to buy the album, although I own both Cheetah CDs.

My point is: Raven doesn't care so, why should the fans?
Re: "The Cheetah Girls 2" Discussion
Post by cookymonzta on Sept 16, 2006, 2:57pm


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That's something.  All of that Cheetah-citement from the last few weeks are gone for me.  And that's bad, because I am a 22 year old MAN, and a fan of the Cheetahs.  Yes, I enjoyed "Backflip" by Raven a few years back, which got me into the Cheetahs, but it wasn't enough to move me to buy the album, although I own both Cheetah CDs. 

My point is:  Raven doesn't care so, why should the fans?


Exactly my point, although I have a tendency to stretch it out into an entire book chapter to make it clearly understood by everyone.

Don't feel too bad for 22.  You got it good; the Cheetahs are in your age range (Raven 21, Adrienne 23, Sabrina 22, Kiely 20, as of 12/31).  I'm 40, and I keep one eye on as many aspects of the music industry as I can.  I'm an observer first, and critic later.

I kept an eye on the Cheetahs because they represent something that hasn't been seen since TLC:  A female group or artist with the potential to go to the top of the charts without having to resort to overly seductive antics.  They represent something else as well:  The potential to be the first group in more than 35 years to go from fiction to reality (although the artists represented are quite different from the characters they played) and put a hit in the top 10 on the Hot 100.

That will depend on whether Raven sits in on the studio sessions with the other 3 in January.  The fictional group had 5 members.  The real group has 4.  They can't go from 5 to 3 (even in the transition from fictional to real, with the members of the real group representing themselves), especially when 2 of the members already come from a 3-girl group.  Like I said before, they'd be nothing more or less than 3LW Redux to many of the fans.  Raven is the key to obliterating that perception.
Re: "The Cheetah Girls 2" Discussion
Post by jayd83 on Sept 16, 2006, 8:33pm


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[Exactly my point, although I have a tendency to stretch it out into an entire book chapter to make it clearly understood by everyone./quote]

lol....I have no problem with your "books," as I am a true to the core music fan. I enjoy reading about music history, and hadn't even realized that lil tidbit about The Monkeys and The Partridge Family. Good stuff.

[quote]I kept an eye on the Cheetahs because they represent something that hasn't been seen since TLC: A female group or artist with the potential to go to the top of the charts without having to resort to overly seductive antics. They represent something else as well: The potential to be the first group in more than 35 years to go from fiction to reality (although the artists represented are quite different from the characters they played) and put a hit in the top 10 on the Hot 100.


I find that VERY refreshing as well. I was on the Destiny's Child bandwagon, in 2000, until the clothes got skimpier, and the lyrics more redundant. I enjoy confident female groups who know who they are, and actually have a message. The Cheetah Girls could be IT right now, if only Raven got it together, and release that she has the keys to the kingdom in her hands.
Re: "The Cheetah Girls 2" Discussion
Post by cookymonzta on Sept 17, 2006, 6:55pm


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I find that VERY refreshing as well.  I was on the Destiny's Child bandwagon, in 2000, until the clothes got skimpier, and the lyrics more redundant.  I enjoy confident female groups who know who they are, and actually have a message.   The Cheetah Girls could be IT right now, if only Raven got it together, and realize that she has the keys to the kingdom in her hands.

Aye.  I was a fan of Destiny's Child until the beginning of 2000.  The way LaTavia Roberson and LeToya Luckett were given the shaft (almost completely under their noses) earned them my contempt.  I still bought "Say My Name" that year, because they recorded that long before LaTavia and LeToya were given the boot.  I happen to believe that, had this group stayed intact, the album that followed The Writing's On The Wall (1999) would have sold 10 million.  They only sold 3 million of their next album, with Michelle Williams in the group (after they dumped Farrah Franklin).  They barely missed 3 million for their final album, and struggled to go platinum with the album of their greatest hits.  for better or for worse, they are still not in TLC's league.

But the Cheetahs could have the potential to come even closer to being in that league.  But they need Raven first.  Imagine how Destiny's Child would have fared without Beyoncé.

Which is why one must applaud Adrienne Bailon for holding it down for this group and keeping it afloat, despite the plans that both she and Kiely still have as members of 3LW.  Both she and the other 2 are busting their butts on the road, and keeping that microphone quite warm for Raven, if and when she should ever decide to step up again.  Maybe that is why they're selling out at arenas across the country, at the moment.  But that doesn't mean the fans miss Raven any less, even though they will still let her know of their distress, displeasure or disappointment for her continuing absences.

Which brings me to this thought:  What if Raven is not part of the recording sessions for the Cheetahs' studio album this coming winter, and that album goes gold without her, and her own album flops?  What then?  Would she feel vindicated if she went gold and they flopped?  I hope not.

You might be interested in the following:
http://www.myfoxla.com/myfox/pages/Insid....Y&pageId=5 .2.1
[Make sure there are no spaces in '5.2.1']

and

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/ae/285426_cheetah18q.html
[Take a look at the 3rd paragraph from the bottom]

And Wikipedia has just changed the Cheetah Girls page to reflect the 3 touring members (Adrienne, Sabrina and Kiely):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Cheetah_Girls_%28girl_group%29

I've got a feeling that Deborah Gregory may have to have to step in and help to settle whatever differences or disputes they may have with one another (Raven and Adrienne, in particular).  It is starting to remind me of two scenes:

1) In the first movie, with the argument their characters had at Jackal Johnson's record company headquarters;

2) In the second movie, where Adrienne's character is distracted from rehearsing by Belinda's character Marisol, and Raven's character Galleria decides to pack up and leave.

With life imitating art, the friction between Raven and any or all of the other 3, if it really exists, could tear this group apart before the next studio album or the script for the third movie is even written.  The example they set for their fans in both movies, and the potential they have as a quartet, is being lost, and probably for no good reason at all.  They lose Raven now (and I mean permanently), it really will be over, just like that song Raven and Adrienne sang the second movie.

Is this the way Deborah imagined the franchise she created in 1999 would end?  Is this the way she imagined the end of the real group she put together in 2002, crashing and burning instead of parting ways gracefully?  I think absolutely not!  She needs to step in and fix this, not just for their sake, but for the sake of their fans, most especially the young ones.  From my standpoint, at the moment, I don't think the replacement of any member (especially Raven) is an acceptable option.

Assuming that Raven is not part of the studio album project in January, let's see if, apart once more, Raven and the 3 girls prove me dead wrong in 2007. There's still light at the end of the tunnel, and eventually they'll have to meet again on that side. They have a third movie to make. Can they set aside whatever differences they may have, long enough to last another 2 years? I hope so. I'm counting on them to last at least another 4.

[By the way, I've made a few changes in my many broad essays on page 4, so that they could be better understood.  If you have the patience, you might want to go back and read them again.]
Re: "The Cheetah Girls 2" Discussion
Post by cookymonzta on Sept 20, 2006, 12:55am

A considerably large drop for the Cheetahs; 49,477, down from 68,229; a 27.5% drop, from #5 to #13 on the HDD charts.  One wonders if the fast drop is now due to confirmed reports that Raven won't be touring with the other 3 girls.

They now have 366,939, pending Billboard's official numbers.  They're likely to go gold nonetheless.  Next stop is 400,000.

Here are videoclips of the entire interview/performance segment of all 4 girls on the set of ABC's Good Morning America, taped Wednesday, August 23.  It comes from the 3LW site 3LWAvenue.com.

Download them in the following order:

The interview before the performance
http://www.3lwavenue.com/videos/the-chee....ing_america.wmv

The performance of "The Party's Just Begun"
http://www.3lwavenue.com/videos/the-chee....ing_America.wmv

The post-performance interview
http://www.3lwavenue.com/videos/the-chee....ing_america.wmv

Except for this show, and the Disney Hotspot show on August 25 for the 2nd movie's premiere, I don't know how many times Raven has actually performed or appeared with the other 3 girls at any event since 2003.  But given that she has been rarely seen with the rest of the group (which I still find odd, considering that she was obviously the first member selected in 2002, and that she is regarded by just about everyone as the leader of this group), unless one of her young fans at one of her solo events softens her up really good (that is, enough to convince her to perform with the girls at even one of the Cheetah concerts before Christmas), this might be the last time we see her with the other 3 for quite a while.  If we're lucky, her long absence from the group won't last the full 2 years, when the 3rd movie hits theaters.

Just remember:  Raven has not officially quit the group or been given the boot outright.  If that were the case right now, Deborah Gregory (creator of the group) and Disney would have gone looking for her replacement right away, and that replacement member would have been on the current tour with Adrienne, Sabrina and Kiely before it was over.  Let's hope that never comes to pass, lest their popularity (and Raven's as a solo artist) become severely crippled as a result, and the campaign to target the 15-to-24 mainstream market in the near-future comes to a screeching halt.

By the way, Raven isn't the only one with a solo project coming (Jan.-Mar. 2007).  Kiely has an inspirational book in the works to be released in 2007, and Sabrina has a solo album to be released later that year.  Of course, 3LW's next album, Point Of No Return, is slated to be released at the end of this year or early in 2007.  In which case, 3 of the Cheetahs (Raven and the 2 girls of 3LW) will be competing against one another, this coming winter, with their side projects.

One other note:  Has anyone noticed the duration of the televised concert for the 3 touring Cheetahs on Disney Friday, Sept. 22 at 8:00 P.M.?  Only a half-hour!  Pathetic, no?  If Raven had been touring with them in July, Disney would have moved 90 minutes or even 2 hours of their regular programming to televise this concert!  It makes me wonder if the current concert tour was extended from 35 to 57 dates (although I came across a report of 61 dates) because they thought, aside from the demand, that Raven might actually join them at some point.
Re: "The Cheetah Girls 2" Discussion
Post by jayd83 on Oct 19, 2006, 12:21pm


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One other note: Has anyone noticed the duration of the televised concert for the 3 touring Cheetahs on Disney Friday, Sept. 22 at 8:00 P.M.? Only a half-hour! Pathetic, no? If Raven had been touring with them in July, Disney would have moved 90 minutes or even 2 hours of their regular programming to televise this concert! It makes me wonder if the current concert tour was extended from 35 to 57 dates (although I came across a report of 61 dates) because they thought, aside from the demand, that Raven might actually join them at some point.


Yes, I noticed that about the tour, but I don't hold my breathe about Raven appearing with them on tour.

ALSO, the touring version of the Cheetahs were on The View today. They sang "Strut" and it was...what's the phrase...."incomplete."
Re: "The Cheetah Girls 2" Discussion
Post by cookymonzta on Oct 19, 2006, 2:24pm


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One other note:  Has anyone noticed the duration of the televised concert for the 3 touring Cheetahs on Disney Friday, Sept. 22 at 8:00 P.M.?  Only a half-hour!  Pathetic, no?  If Raven had been touring with them in July, Disney would have moved 90 minutes or even 2 hours of their regular programming to televise this concert!  It makes me wonder if the current concert tour was extended from 35 to 57 dates (although I came across a report of 61 dates) because they thought, aside from the demand, that Raven might actually join them at some point.


Yes, I noticed that about the tour, but I don't hold my breathe about Raven appearing with them on tour.

ALSO, the touring version of the Cheetahs were on The View today.  They sang "Strut" and it was...what's the phrase...."incomplete."

Indeed.  I wonder if Raven would have joined them, if she had not had an album set for release this year.  And what if the album ends up selling only as much (250K) as her previous. despite the producers she has on it?  No promotion means lower sales, unless she has a surprise hit.

I still think there is the possibility that she is pining to quit the Cheetahs altogether.  I hope that isn't the case, but if it is, Deborah Gregory and Disney would do well to consider and prepare someone, like Fefe Dobson, to replace her.
Re: "The Cheetah Girls 2" Discussion
Post by jayd83 on Oct 19, 2006, 3:26pm


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I still think there is the possibility that she is pining to quit the Cheetahs altogether. I hope that isn't the case, but if it is, Deborah Gregory and Disney would do well to consider and prepare someone, like Fefe Dobson, to replace her.


Can you please stop saying that lol. You are getting my hopes up! I can see it now: The Cheetah Girls 3: On Skid Row!

Seriously though, if I were her manager/mother/father/brother/cousin ANYONE, I would give her a sift shaking and FORCE her to be with the Cheetahs. I don't even understand why her record company even allowed her to do another solo album. Personally, if I were the head of her label, I'd strongly suggest that she unite with the Cheetah's and do her studio album in late 2008; after the third film (to really up her popularity).
Re: "The Cheetah Girls 2" Discussion
Post by cookymonzta on Oct 19, 2006, 4:01pm


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I still think there is the possibility that she is pining to quit the Cheetahs altogether.  I hope that isn't the case, but if it is, Deborah Gregory and Disney would do well to consider and prepare someone, like Fefe Dobson, to replace her.


Can you please stop saying that lol.  You are getting my hopes up!  I can see it now:  The Cheetah Girls 3:  On Skid Row! 

Seriously though, if I were her manager/mother/father/brother/cousin ANYONE, I would give her a sift shaking and FORCE her to be with the Cheetahs.  I don't even understand why her record company even allowed her to do another solo album.  Personally, if I were the head of her label, I'd strongly suggest that she unite with the Cheetah's and do her studio album in late 2008; after the third film (to really up her popularity).

I'd rather that Raven wait until mid-2009 for her next solo album (if there is a next solo album).  Assuming Cheetah Girls 3 hits theaters in August, 2008, you can bet the farm that there will be a tour to follow, perhaps from September to December, 2008.  If she has an album coming during that time, it is almost a guarantee that she will not be on that tour.  But if that album is not ready until the summer of 2009, you can bet that she would not be in the studio to record the album until sometime in the spring of 2009 (long after the tour).  That would certainly leave room for her to tour with the other girls in late-2008, unless another project of hers seriously interferes with it.
Re: "The Cheetah Girls 2" Discussion
Post by jayd83 on Oct 19, 2006, 4:09pm


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I'd rather that Raven wait until mid-2009 for her next solo album (if there is a next solo album). Assuming Cheetah Girls 3 hits theaters in August, 2008, you can bet the farm that there will be a tour to follow, perhaps from September to December, 2008. If she has an album coming during that time, it is almost a guarantee that she will not be on that tour. But if that album is not ready until the summer of 2009, you can bet that she would not be in the studio to record the album until sometime in the spring of 2009 (long after the tour). That would certainly leave room for her to tour with the other girls in late-2008, unless another project of hers seriously interferes with it.


You're absolutely right. By then, she'll be 23 years old, and she could really do her thing. Someone needs to get some sense into that girl. She basically could have the world at her feet, and a true chance at longevity in the music industry if she played her cards right. As of right now, she's almost folding her hand.
Re: "The Cheetah Girls 2" Discussion
Post by cookymonzta on Oct 19, 2006, 4:59pm


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I'd rather that Raven wait until mid-2009 for her next solo album (if there is a next solo album).  Assuming Cheetah Girls 3 hits theaters in August, 2008, you can bet the farm that there will be a tour to follow, perhaps from September to December, 2008.  If she has an album coming during that time, it is almost a guarantee that she will not be on that tour.  But if that album is not ready until the summer of 2009, you can bet that she would not be in the studio to record the album until sometime in the spring of 2009 (long after the tour).  That would certainly leave room for her to tour with the other girls in late-2008, unless another project of hers seriously interferes with it.


You're absolutely right.  By then, she'll be 23 years old, and she could really do her thing.  Someone needs to get some sense into that girl.  She basically could have the world at her feet, and a true chance at longevity in the music industry if she played her cards right.  As of right now, she's almost folding her hand.

Exactly.  Her singing career (solo in 1993 and 1999) went nowhere until she became a Cheetah Girl; but like I said before in this topic, she hasn't been a Cheetah Girl nearly long enough to earn her solo stripes.  There have been many a lead vocalist who went solo and flopped.  Two of them came from En Vogue; even one from TLC (T-Boz) tried her hand at solo and failed.  In some cases, you have to have a good long stretch as a leading group member before the audience accepts you as a solo artist.  Ozzy Osbourne, Phil Collins and Teddy Pendergrass were successful as solo artists because they put in the appropriate time as leading group members.

With producers like Timbaland, Missy and the Neptunes, Raven will be lucky if she comes even close to gold, with hardly any promotion beforehand (the album hits racks on Halloween).  If not, I think she may have to ride the Cheetah wave until 2010 before the audience is ready to accept her as a bonafide solo artist.
Re: "The Cheetah Girls 2" Discussion
Post by jayd83 on Oct 19, 2006, 5:09pm


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With producers like Timbaland, Missy and the Neptunes, Raven will be lucky if she comes even close to gold, with hardly any promotion beforehand (the album hits racks on Halloween). If not, I think she may have to ride the Cheetah wave until 2010 before the audience is ready to accept her as a bonafide solo artist.


I'm going to buy her album anyway, just because of who she's working with; BUT at this juncture, I'd rather her stick with pop. Pop music is on its way back, and I would love for her to be one of the trailblazers for that.
Re: "The Cheetah Girls 2" Discussion
Post by cookymonzta on Oct 22, 2006, 10:39pm


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With producers like Timbaland, Missy and the Neptunes, Raven will be lucky if she comes even close to gold, with hardly any promotion beforehand (the album hits racks on Halloween).  If not, I think she may have to ride the Cheetah wave until 2010 before the audience is ready to accept her as a bonafide solo artist.


I'm going to buy her album anyway, just because of who she's working with; BUT at this juncture, I'd rather her stick with pop.  Pop music is on its way back, and I would love for her to be one of the trailblazers for that.

Indeed.  Let's see if Missy, Timba and the Neptunes can carry her to gold.  But it will be twice as hard, if she jumped ship from Hollywood to an even more obscure label.  A few Web sites read TMG Records; one site (CDUniverse.com) reads Turnip Records.

By the way, during the first telecast of Return to Halloweentown, The Cheetahs presented a video for "Route 66".  I missed the entire program, but I assume only the touring trio recorded this song and made the video.  It will be on the Cheetah Girls 2 Special Edition set, which includes the original soundtrack CD, plus this new song and a DVD with the concert at Disney's California Adventure on July 30.

If platinum was slipping from this album's grasp, it will surely make it this time, even if the second disc from the special edition contains new material that is largely without Raven, because if she jumped ship from Hollywood (unless they bought out TMG), she may have jumped ship from Disney entirely, and may have turned in, or may be ready to turn in, her spots as the alpha female of the Cheetahs.  If that should happen, bet the farm, the car and the kitchen sink that Radio Disney will get a ton of requests for the song "It's Over", which has yet to make their weekly top 30.

But for now, we'll just wait and see.
Re: "The Cheetah Girls 2" Discussion
Post by jayd83 on Oct 22, 2006, 11:19pm


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If platinum was slipping from this album's grasp, it will surely make it this time, even if the second disc from the special edition contains new material that is largely without Raven, because if she jumped ship from Hollywood (unless they bought out TMG), she may have jumped ship from Disney entirely, and may have turned in, or may be ready to turn in, her spots as the alpha female of the Cheetahs. If that should happen, bet the farm, the car and the kitchen sink that Radio Disney will get a ton of requests for the song "It's Over", which has yet to make their weekly top 30.


EXACTLY! I was listening to that the other day, and something came over me. I was thinking, maybe it is over. It's okay though, as long as in the 3rd movie, they give a good explanation as to Galleria's wherabouts, I wouldn't blame them for replacing her and keeping the Cheetah train going. It's their meal ticket and they know it. The only problem is that Raven doesn't.
Re: "The Cheetah Girls 2" Discussion
Post by thewbrocks67 on Oct 26, 2006, 8:50pm

I cannot wait until Raven's "From then Until" album flops and sells like 10k its first week and she sees that she needs the Cheetah Girls.
Re: "The Cheetah Girls 2" Discussion
Post by cookymonzta on Oct 27, 2006, 2:08pm

You may very well be correct with that number. Her last album, This Is My Time, opened with 20K in 2004, and finished with 250K, and she was on Hollywood Records at that time. This time, she's on an obscure label (TMG).

Wait for HITS Daily Double's prediction on Wednesday, 11/1. I can probably tell you how many she will sell overall, given what she sold for her last album.

If that is not enough to set off warning bells for Raven, then nothing is. I'm almost beginning to think that, instead of rejoining the Cheetahs on the remaining legs of the tour, or perhaps, the studio album set for 2007, she may very well do the opposite, and quit the group outright, if she hasn't already done so. I think Deborah Gregory had better make a call to Toronto, just in case.

I'm pretty sure that, although there have been many successful groups whose leading members flopped when they went solo, the engine-after-the-caboose scenario (or, more properly, the engine behind the caboose) had to be true as well. That is, there had to be solo flops out there who found group success thereafter. Unfortunately, in Raven's case, it looks like the case of the engine before and after the caboose, the engine of course being the success the Cheetah Girls have had with Raven in the group.

And just for good measure, I'll give you an example of one who flopped as a solo artist then soared as a group member: Everlast. His first album, Forever Everlasting (1990), was an obvious flop. Two years later, he got his $#!+ straight, and hooked up with Danny Boy and D.J. Lethal to form the House of Pain. The hit "Jump Around" went platinum, and the album Fine Malt Lyrics went double-platinum.

Of course, Everlast found solo success after the group broke up. He'd been in the game 10 years by the time Whitey Ford Sings The Blues hit the racks late in 1998, going double-platinum. And that was his third album, his second solo.

Raven's problem is that she has been largely absent from the group made famous by her presence and the fact that she has the strongest voice of the 4. If you eliminate her success with the Cheetahs (2x platinum and gold), her 13 years in the recording industry have largely amounted to almost nothing. Funny thing is, there are artists out there who have spent just as much time, if not more, almost never having gone gold or come even close, and seem to be doing quite well (case in point: Ani DiFranco). But Raven is an A-list television actress, in a group that has posted A-list sales numbers. A lot of people obviously expected more from her as a solo artist.

Certainly, when this latest album of hers hits the racks, they will expect it to match the total sales of her last album. But if it appears that TMG is a start-up company, I doubt they have even the budget to ship 500,000 copies on day one. That is why most people, including myself and the DK fan whose post appears above this one, think the engine-before-and-after-the-caboose effect will be the result, and she will fail. Not good.


If Raven wants to break that cycle, and find some real measure of solo success, the way Everlast did after disbanding the House of Pain, she's going to have to put in a lot more time with the Cheetahs. If this album of hers does fail (which will be her 4th), she might want to consider (fat chance though it may be) joining the other 3 girls in the remaining recording sessions for the Cheetahs' studio album in 2007. That is, if she is still with Disney or if her contract has a provision for her to participate in any future Cheetah Girls projects.

There are some lead vocalists who know when to go solo, and obviously there are some who don't. And by the way, if anyone here knows of any other artists out there (besides Raven and Everlast), who started out as a solo artist and flopped, then joined or created a group and hit big as the group's leading member, please drop a few names here.
Re: "The Cheetah Girls 2" Discussion
Post by cookymonzta on Oct 27, 2006, 11:51pm

You might be interested to know that the release date for Raven's 4th solo CD From Then Until... has changed.  It is now November 14.
Re: "The Cheetah Girls 2" Discussion
Post by thewbrocks67 on Oct 28, 2006, 9:01am

Is there an official first single and is there a video for it? Because this album needs some kind of first single to be launched and then the album should come out in like December.
Re: "The Cheetah Girls 2" Discussion
Post by computerfreak on Oct 31, 2006, 8:27pm

Someone on a Disney Channel community posted a newspaper article where they asked Raven questions, and she said she won't doa Cheetah Girls 3.
Re: "The Cheetah Girls 2" Discussion
Post by xluvxduffxmusicx on Nov 1, 2006, 1:19am

^ OMG please post that community!
Re: "The Cheetah Girls 2" Discussion
Post by cookymonzta on Nov 1, 2006, 3:40pm


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Someone on a Disney Channel community posted a newspaper article where they asked Raven questions, and she said she won't doa Cheetah Girls 3.

If this is indeed accurate, and you (or anyone else) can confirm this, then it is almost a mandate that Deborah Gregory must find a replacement.  There is no doubt that, for fictional purposes, the character Galleria is the most important character of the group.  That also carries over to the real group.

I will have more to say on this tonight, but you already know that Fefe Dobson is my top choice to replace her. I don't think the touring trio can carry the franchise the way either Raven or possibly Fefe could, certainly not as far as the third movie is concerned.
Re: "The Cheetah Girls 2" Discussion
Post by thewbrocks67 on Nov 1, 2006, 4:00pm

Raven is seriously one of the dumbest celebrities out there!
Re: "The Cheetah Girls 2" Discussion
Post by computerfreak on Nov 1, 2006, 7:08pm

Let me try and find the scan of the article.
Re: "The Cheetah Girls 2" Discussion
Post by computerfreak on Nov 1, 2006, 7:11pm

This was posted in the livejournal community, Disneychannel.

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Re: "The Cheetah Girls 2" Discussion
Post by jayd83 on Nov 1, 2006, 7:13pm

CookyMonzta - I guess we can start requesting "It's Over" now on Radio Disney.
Re: "The Cheetah Girls 2" Discussion
Post by cookymonzta on Nov 1, 2006, 7:39pm


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This was posted in the livejournal community, Disneychannel.

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Indeed. I'll drop this one off to the guy who does their Wikipedia page. It's a safe bet that Raven can now be listed not as an inactive or movie/soundtrack member, but as a former member.

If Deborah and Disney want to preserve the quartet they created (which started with Raven; the others had to audition), they need to find a replacement that can deliver as much as Raven did, if not more. My money is on Fefe (if she says yes), because she writes her own songs, and plays guitar and piano. Add that into the mix, and you have a group that you can sell to the usual 7-14 crowd, and the 15-29 crowd. What Fefe is likely to bring to this group (a raw combination of rock, soul and all sorts of eclecticism) is more likely to attract the mainstream than anything that has been demonstrated by those who wrote for this group beforehand...

...But they'd better decide fast. Word has it that they will start filming in the summer of 2007. The question is, without Raven, will they be able to sell this film to theater (I think not), or will the fat cats decide that without her they will relegate it to television once more?

Remember: 2 of the 3 members of this group are also members of 3LW. Not much of a difference between the two, except for the third member. They're going to need a new 4th member to be the alpha Cheetah. If you're not sure, take a look at what happened to the Monkees (see their Wikipedia bio), when Mike Nesmith quit at the end of 1968.

Obviously, I will have more to say later.
Re: "The Cheetah Girls 2" Discussion
Post by jayd83 on Nov 1, 2006, 7:46pm

And as always, I will patiently await what else you have to say, CookyMonzta.

Anyway, she can kiss her career goodbye. I can't say I wish her the best of luck, because truth be told, she screwed this one up for herself. Hopefully, they'll approach FeFe (Goodness, How much I love her) and she says yes. She can add a totally different dimension to the Cheetahs.
Re: "The Cheetah Girls 2" Discussion
Post by thewbrocks67 on Nov 1, 2006, 7:56pm

Well, with this news, two things have been basically destroyed. First one: Raven's career. Sorry Raven but your are very dumb. Yuor show is ending, your putting out a solo album for nothing and your leaving the one success that could take you a few more years in the future, The Cheetah Girls. I dont wish you luck Raven. Second one: The Cheetah Girls. Yes, Disney audiences adapted to Sara Paxton instead of Kimberly J. Brown in the role of Marnie Piper in Return To Halloweentown (despite Kimberly being in the first 3 movies), but this is different. Tween audiences have gotten to know and love the original The Cheetah Girls and the audience know who is who and the audience is not just willing to see anyone else in the role in the movie or group, like Return to Halloweentown. Cheetah Girls will not be able to go on without Raven. There album without Raven tanked and with Raven, they did tons of business. Raven is screwing herself AND The Cheetah Girls over. How do you like that Double Whammy?
Re: "The Cheetah Girls 2" Discussion
Post by computerfreak on Nov 1, 2006, 8:01pm

FeFe Dobson would need to grow her hair out and gain a few pounds for the role of Galleria.
Re: "The Cheetah Girls 2" Discussion
Post by jayd83 on Nov 1, 2006, 8:04pm


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FeFe Dobson would need to grow her hair out and gain a few pounds for the role of Galleria.


She doesn't need to play Galleria. Turn it into a soap opera and have Galleria move to Hong Kong. FeFe is the new girl in school. People don't like her at first, because she's "different." But she writes her own songs. The Cheetah's need a new member, to get a record deal. They hold auditions, FeFe wins, and they go on from there. Cheetah Girls 3 in a nutshell.
Re: "The Cheetah Girls 2" Discussion
Post by computerfreak on Nov 1, 2006, 8:07pm

Then Disney Channel can play the "Everything" video every commercial break, then it will help her sell 100,000 more copies of her first album.
Re: "The Cheetah Girls 2" Discussion
Post by thewbrocks67 on Nov 1, 2006, 8:42pm

.. and "The Cheetah Girls 3" soundtrack with Fefe Dobson and the remaining 3 girls will sell about 100,000 copies, 1/15th of the 1st album, and even 1/6th of how the album is doing as of now. Seriously, Disney might as well just not go forth with The Cheetah Girls 3 unless they get Raven.
Re: "The Cheetah Girls 2" Discussion
Post by computerfreak on Nov 1, 2006, 8:52pm

I think it would be best not to have a Cheetah Girls 3. Plus Disney channel releases too many sequels for their DCOM's time for some new ones!
Re: "The Cheetah Girls 2" Discussion
Post by thewbrocks67 on Nov 1, 2006, 9:39pm

That's also a thing. Disney Channel once made actually great and original disney channel original movies but lately they have just been blah. I mean, Wendy Wu?! HSM was a step in the right direction but Twitches 2, HSM 2, Cheetah Girls 3, Zenon Z4 and the Ultimate Christmas Present 2 and even Cow Belles 2 are all in the works, TOO MANY SEQUELS. Lets see some more movies like the ones Disney churned out from 2000 to about 2002/2003.
Re: "The Cheetah Girls 2" Discussion
Post by cookymonzta on Nov 2, 2006, 12:08am


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.. and "The Cheetah Girls 3" soundtrack with Fefe Dobson and the remaining 3 girls will sell about 100,000 copies, 1/15th of the 1st album, and even 1/6th of how the album is doing as of now. Seriously, Disney might as well just not go forth with The Cheetah Girls 3 unless they get Raven.

Unfortunately, that is unlikely to happen, unless Raven and one or more of the other members can put aside whatever differences, disputes or acrimony they might have between them. Rumor has it that Raven and Kiely have issues between them.

To be even more honest, I wish Teena Marie's daughter, Alia-Rose, were 5 years older right now (she turns 15 this month, if I'm correct). I've never actually heard the girl sing, but according to some people on other boards, she'd have blown Raven away, and would have been an even better replacement.
Re: "The Cheetah Girls 2" Discussion
Post by cookymonzta on Nov 2, 2006, 12:15am


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Unfortunately, they will have to have a 3rd movie.  The fictional story is not yet finished.  The fictional group has to graduate from high school (in the 2nd movie, they just finished their junior year), then get that big break that lands them a contract and a hit record.

They cannot do this without its most important character; namely, Galleria, the one who created the group.  If Raven won't play her again, they must find someone else capable of filling Raven's shoes, one who will tour with the real group when it is over.  I'd rather that it be someone who has more to offer than just singing, and one who is more likely not to think of herself as being too big for this role or the group itself.  That is why Fefe made the top of my list.
Re: "The Cheetah Girls 2" Discussion
Post by cookymonzta on Nov 2, 2006, 12:49am


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Well, with this news, two things have been basically destroyed. First one: Raven's career. Sorry Raven but your are very dumb. Yuor show is ending, your putting out a solo album for nothing and your leaving the one success that could take you a few more years in the future, The Cheetah Girls. I dont wish you luck Raven. Second one: The Cheetah Girls. Yes, Disney audiences adapted to Sara Paxton instead of Kimberly J. Brown in the role of Marnie Piper in Return To Halloweentown (despite Kimberly being in the first 3 movies), but this is different. Tween audiences have gotten to know and love the original The Cheetah Girls and the audience know who is who and the audience is not just willing to see anyone else in the role in the movie or group, like Return to Halloweentown. Cheetah Girls will not be able to go on without Raven. There album without Raven tanked and with Raven, they did tons of business. Raven is screwing herself AND The Cheetah Girls over. How do you like that Double Whammy?

You've got a point, regarding Raven.  Unfortunately, like I said before, the fictional story is not finished.  If Raven won't participate, they need someone else who is capable of selling the story to their fans, because I don't think the trio can sell it on their own.

That is why Fefe is my top choice at this point, unless I can think of another who is just as capable, and fits the profile of the character in the fictional story.

Consider this:  Despite Raven's absence, many of the Cheetahs' concerts have sold out, and their tour has been extended yet again, from its original 35 to 60 to nearly 80!  It ends in mid-January.  I gather the fans have come in droves either to support the franchise (as always) or give Raven the finger for skipping out on them yet again, like she did during the 2005 Christmas campaign.  Of course, that doesn't mean they are likely to support the trio as much when that studio album hits the racks in April or May.  The Christmas album is evidence of that.

Raven holds sway over the destiny of this group.  I figured them to have had the potential to follow in the footsteps of TLC, a group that delivered messages with their music and had countless millions of fans for it, without going to the extremes that some girl groups today are going.  The only way they will survive as a real group, if only for another 4 years, is to get someone strong enough to break the sway that Raven holds.

Malcolm and Angus Young had their work cut out for them when Bon Scott died in 1980.  They got Brian Johnson, from a rock group that was more pop-rock than hard-rock.  They recorded Back In Black, and got 2 diamonds for it (20 million sales).

That is definitely not to say that the Cheetahs are that capable, but what if they (or Deborah herself) approach Fefe and she says yes?  The odds are long on that, but they would be replacing a lead singer who is largely hip-hop-soul/pop-oriented, with one who is fusion pop/alt-rock-oriented, with perhaps a little neo-soul thrown into it (read Fefe's Wikipedia bio).  Quite interesting, I must admit.

Consider this:  High School Musical had perhaps no recognizable faces whatsoever; yet, it went triple-platinum.  What if Fefe were to take the lead, and in doing so, take the Cheetah Girls into a new direction, or incorporate the old into the new, and throw a few twists into what most people were used to getting from her as a solo artist, and take a lot of people by surprise?
Re: "The Cheetah Girls 2" Discussion
Post by xluvxduffxmusicx on Nov 2, 2006, 12:53am


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Well, with this news, two things have been basically destroyed. First one: Raven's career. Sorry Raven but your are very dumb. Yuor show is ending, your putting out a solo album for nothing and your leaving the one success that could take you a few more years in the future, The Cheetah Girls. I dont wish you luck Raven. Second one: The Cheetah Girls. Yes, Disney audiences adapted to Sara Paxton instead of Kimberly J. Brown in the role of Marnie Piper in Return To Halloweentown (despite Kimberly being in the first 3 movies), but this is different. Tween audiences have gotten to know and love the original The Cheetah Girls and the audience know who is who and the audience is not just willing to see anyone else in the role in the movie or group, like Return to Halloweentown. Cheetah Girls will not be able to go on without Raven. There album without Raven tanked and with Raven, they did tons of business. Raven is screwing herself AND The Cheetah Girls over. How do you like that Double Whammy?

You've got a point, regarding Raven.  Unfortunately, like I said before, the fictional story is not finished.  If Raven won't participate, they need someone else who is capable of selling the story to their fans, because I don't think the trio can sell it on their own.

That is why Fefe is my top choice at this point, unless I can think of another who is just as capable, and fits the profile of the character in the fictional story.

Consider this:  Despite Raven's absence, many of the Cheetahs' concerts have sold out, and their tour has been extended yet again, from its original 35 to 60 to nearly 80!  It ends in mid-January.  I gather the fans have come in droves either to support the franchise (as always) or give Raven the finger for skipping out on them yet again, like she did during the 2005 Christmas campaign.  Of course, that doesn't mean they are likely to support the trio as much when that studio album hits the racks in April or May.  The Christmas album is evidence of that.

Raven holds sway over the destiny of this group.  I figured them to have had the potential to follow in the footsteps of TLC, a group that delivered messages with their music and had countless millions of fans for it, without going to the extremes that some girl groups today are going.  The only way they will survive as a real group, if only for another 4 years, is to get someone strong enough to break the sway that Raven holds.

Malcolm and Angus Young had their work cut out for them when Bon Scott died in 1980.  They got Brian Johnson, from a rock group that was more pop-rock than hard-rock.  They recorded Back In Black, and got 2 diamonds for it (20 million sales).

That is definitely not to say that the Cheetahs are that capable, but what if they (or Deborah herself) approach Fefe and she says yes?  The odds are long on that, but they would be replacing a lead singer who is largely hip-hop-soul/pop-oriented, with one who is fusion pop/alt-rock-oriented, with perhaps a little neo-soul thrown into it (read Fefe's Wikipedia bio).  Quite interesting, I must admit.

Consider this:  High School Musical had perhaps no recognizable faces whatsoever; yet, it went triple-platinum.  What if Fefe were to take the lead, and in doing so, take the Cheetah Girls into a new direction, or incorporate the old into the new, and throw a few twists into what most people were used to getting from her as a solo artist, and take a lot of people by surprise?


Why would Fefe replace Raven when she's not even popular?
Re: "The Cheetah Girls 2" Discussion
Post by cookymonzta on Nov 2, 2006, 2:31am


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Except as a member of the Cheetahs, Raven has not been that popular, either, certainly not as a solo artist.  Once more, almost nobody knew any of the cast members of High School Musical before that movie was televised, and now they are as popular as ever.

By the way, In 2004, two of Fefe's videos made the TRL top 10.  Her debut album sold 304,000, which is more than any of Raven's solo efforts.  Fefe also had the misfortune of hitting the scene after Avril Lavigne.

Once more, I don't think they should abandon the third movie.  If they do, they'd be admitting that Raven was bigger than the group and the franchise combined.  Just remember, she had little to do with this group outside of the movies and soundtracks, and it was largely the efforts of the other 3 members that kept this group afloat long enough to do second film...

...But like their Christmas flop, that effort is not likely to translate into CD sales success, and they'll be worse off if they write Raven's character out of the third movie.  They must find a replacement capable of breaking the sway that Raven holds over this group.
Re: "The Cheetah Girls 2" Discussion
Post by xluvxduffxmusicx on Nov 2, 2006, 2:46am


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Except as a member of the Cheetahs, Raven has not been that popular, either, certainly not as a solo artist.  Once more, almost nobody knew any of the cast members of High School Musical before that movie was televised, and now they are as popular as ever.

By the way, In 2004, two of Fefe's videos made the TRL top 10.  her debut album sold 304,000, which is more than any of Raven's solo efforts.  Fefe also had the misfortune of hitting the scene after Avril Lavigne.

Once more, I don't think they should abandon the third movie.  If they do, they'd be admitting that Raven was bigger than the group and the franchise combined.  Just remember, she had little to do with this group outside of the movies and soundtracks, and it was largely the efforts of the other 3 members that kept this group afloat long enough to do second film...

...But like their Christmas flop, that effort is not likely to translate into CD sales success, and they'll be worse off if they write Raven's character out of the third movie.  They must find a replacement capable of breaking the sway that Raven holds over this group.


ok you got me on the raven thing. But lots of teens knew Zac Efron & lots of stupid people like Ashley Tisdale. So idk.
Re: "The Cheetah Girls 2" Discussion
Post by xluvxduffxmusicx on Nov 2, 2006, 2:47am


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That's also a thing. Disney Channel once made actually great and original disney channel original movies but lately they have just been blah. I mean, Wendy Wu?! HSM was a step in the right direction but Twitches 2, HSM 2, Cheetah Girls 3, Zenon Z4 and the Ultimate Christmas Present 2 and even Cow Belles 2 are all in the works, TOO MANY SEQUELS. Lets see some more movies like the ones Disney churned out from 2000 to about 2002/2003.



r u serious? they're making a sequel to the ultimate xmas present!!
Re: "The Cheetah Girls 2" Discussion
Post by thewbrocks67 on Nov 2, 2006, 7:06am


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That's also a thing. Disney Channel once made actually great and original disney channel original movies but lately they have just been blah. I mean, Wendy Wu?! HSM was a step in the right direction but Twitches 2, HSM 2, Cheetah Girls 3, Zenon Z4 and the Ultimate Christmas Present 2 and even Cow Belles 2 are all in the works, TOO MANY SEQUELS. Lets see some more movies like the ones Disney churned out from 2000 to about 2002/2003.



r u serious? they're making a sequel to the ultimate xmas present!!


Its not yet secure but there are rumors.
Re: "The Cheetah Girls 2" Discussion
Post by computerfreak on Nov 2, 2006, 9:47am


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Except as a member of the Cheetahs, Raven has not been that popular, either, certainly not as a solo artist.  Once more, almost nobody knew any of the cast members of High School Musical before that movie was televised, and now they are as popular as ever.

By the way, In 2004, two of Fefe's videos made the TRL top 10.  her debut album sold 304,000, which is more than any of Raven's solo efforts.  Fefe also had the misfortune of hitting the scene after Avril Lavigne.

Once more, I don't think they should abandon the third movie.  If they do, they'd be admitting that Raven was bigger than the group and the franchise combined.  Just remember, she had little to do with this group outside of the movies and soundtracks, and it was largely the efforts of the other 3 members that kept this group afloat long enough to do second film...

...But like their Christmas flop, that effort is not likely to translate into CD sales success, and they'll be worse off if they write Raven's character out of the third movie.  They must find a replacement capable of breaking the sway that Raven holds over this group.


ok you got me on the raven thing. But lots of teens knew Zac Efron & lots of stupid people like Ashley Tisdale. So idk.


LOLZ yeah. Zac Efron had fans from "Summerland" and many people, including me, loved Ashley Tisdale from "The Suite Life Of Zach And Cody".
Re: "The Cheetah Girls 2" Discussion
Post by cookymonzta on Nov 2, 2006, 2:48pm


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ok you got me on the raven thing. But lots of teens knew Zac Efron & lots of stupid people like Ashley Tisdale. So idk.


LOLZ yeah. Zac Efron had fans from "Summerland" and many people, including me, loved Ashley Tisdale from "The Suite Life Of Zach And Cody".

My bad.  I'm not that young, and I have never watched either of those programs; so, I wouldn't have known that.

I followed the Cheetahs only because they had the potential to be the first fictional-turned-real group (following the Monkees and 2 members of the Partridge Family) to have a big hit (on the Hot 100, that is) in more than 35 years.  That possibility could very well be in turmoil, with Raven's absence now permanent.

Though she holds sway over the destiny of this group, she does not hold so much sway that it can't be broken.  Her failure as a solo artist proves this.  That's why, if carefully chosen, her replacement could prove to preserve the success the Cheetahs have had so far (with Raven) as an album group.

One other note: It has come to my attention that Deborah Gregory has almost no control over the roster of this group; which astonishes me, even though the group is part of the Disney franchise, but she created this group in 1999, and I imagine also sat on the panel to select the members of the real group in 2002, before the first movie went into production.

From the way it looks, it will be up to Disney to find someone to take Raven's place, before the third movie goes into production. From what I know, the fans and other observers are welcome to make suggestions.
Re: "The Cheetah Girls 2" Discussion
Post by cookymonzta on Nov 6, 2006, 1:45am


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FeFe Dobson would need to grow her hair out and gain a few pounds for the role of Galleria.


She doesn't need to play Galleria.  Turn it into a soap opera and have Galleria move to Hong Kong.   FeFe is the new girl in school.  People don't like her at first, because she's "different."  But she writes her own songs.  The Cheetah's need a new member, to get a record deal.  They hold auditions, FeFe wins, and they go on from there.  Cheetah Girls 3 in a nutshell.


I have a counterproposal:

Derek of Sonic Chaos (played by Kyle Schmid) plays guitar for the girls in "Cheetah Sisters", the final song of the first movie; and Angel (played by Peter V. Newey) plays guitar in Barcelona in the second movie.

With Raven's character, Galleria, playing the keyboard in the auditorium (Raven can't play keyboard, last I knew, and it looked obvious in the scene), what if, after getting an assist from these two guys on guitar, Galleria gets the guitar flu, and decides she wants to learn to play guitar, and by the third movie, when the girls are ready to graduate, she rocks it 'til she drops it?

Perfect for Fefe, or anyone else who fits the character and can play.  Fefe also happens to play keyboard.  Had Raven said yes to participating in the 3rd movie, I'd have suggested the role of Anginette for Fefe.  She and Kiely's character, twin sister Aquanette, would be musical opposites in the group (one pop/R&B, the other alt-rock).

[For the record:  In the books, Aqua and Angie are identical; but since Dorinda is biracial in the book and white in the movie, there was nothing that could have stopped them from casting the sisters as fraternal twins.  They couldn't find identical twins who could sing in 2002, and they never thought to consider the fraternal alternative, which could have preserved the group as a quintet, like its fictional counterpart.]
Re: "The Cheetah Girls 2" Discussion
Post by cheetahsisters on Nov 6, 2006, 6:07pm

I Highly do not think they will choose FeFe Dobson to play Galleria she has an european accent for one she is too dark for two and she just wouldnt look right for three.
Re: "The Cheetah Girls 2" Discussion
Post by cheetahsisters on Nov 6, 2006, 6:19pm

If Raven does not do this movie it will flop because she has brung the most success to it no matter who they replace her with.Raven is Galleria to so many people replacing her is impossible.The fans will not accept it. The is no one that can sound the way she does in the movie or the music they sing.

I want to start a petition about this because I also think that Deboarh Grgeory should be the person to right the screenplay for this 3rd installment because only she would know where to take the cheetahs after leaving spain since she created them.Now dont get me wrong the first cheetah movie was great and the second was good too even though they left alot of like the cheetah girls handshake that the girls alkways did in the books and the first movie.If Deborah would have written 1 and 2 it would have been in there and so would have been so many other things.
Re: "The Cheetah Girls 2" Discussion
Post by cookymonzta on Nov 6, 2006, 6:29pm


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I Highly do not think they will choose FeFe Dobson to play Galleria she has an european accent for one she is too dark for two and she just wouldnt look right for three.

I've heard this girl sing and talk, and she didn't sound European to me. Fefe is Canadian, biracial, and born in Toronto, which also happens to be the city where part of the first movie was filmed. Once more, her complexion is pretty much the same as Raven's. Check her Wikipedia bio.
Re: "The Cheetah Girls 2" Discussion
Post by cookymonzta on Nov 6, 2006, 6:45pm


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If Raven does not do this movie it will flop because she has brung the most success to it no matter who they replace her with.Raven is Galleria to so many people replacing her is impossible.The fans will not accept it. The is no one that can sound the way she does in the movie or the music they sing.


You definitely have a point.  Her presence, her vocals and her leadership in the group and in the portrayal of the fictional leader, are the reason that this group has double-platinum and gold.  I said all along that the remaining trio cannot sell this group the way Raven did.  Unfortunately, they cannot proceed with the third movie without the lead character.  If they leave it to Adrienne, Sabrina and Kiely, they, the film and the corresponding album will flop for sure.  With a suitable replacement in the role of Galleria, they would at least stand some sort of a chance to salvage success for the group and the movie.  I'm not saying it is a guarantee, but they'd surely be risking disaster if they write Raven's character, Galleria, out of the script, rather than find someone to take her place.

But then again, Raven herself has had 3 solo flops of her own, and may be looking at a 4th.  That is why I say that, even though it appears that Raven holds sway over the destiny of this group, it is not so strong that any replacement of hers (if carefully chosen) can't break.  Fefe being 21, biracial and a songwriter herself is why she ended up at the top of my list.

I should mention that it took 2 flops to make a hit group; or, more accurately, one flop artist (Raven, whose first 2 albums flopped before she was chosen to be a Cheetah Girl), and a one-album wonder (the 2 members of 3LW, whose first album went platinum, after which acrimony forced out one member, and the next album flopped terribly, followed by a Christmas disaster with only the 2 of them recording)


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I want to start a petition about this because I also think that Deboarh Grgeory should be the person to right the screenplay for this 3rd installment because only she would know where to take the cheetahs after leaving spain since she created them.Now dont get me wrong the first cheetah movie was great and the second was good too even though they left alot of like the cheetah girls handshake that the girls alkways did in the books and the first movie.If Deborah would have written 1 and 2 it would have been in there and so would have been so many other things.


Here is the address Deborah Gregory gave me:

The Disney Channel
3800 West Alameda Avenue
Burbank, California 91505
(Attn.:  Viewer Letters Department)
Re: "The Cheetah Girls 2" Discussion
Post by cheetahsisters on Nov 6, 2006, 6:50pm

Yeah she gave me that address too would you mind me emailing you you seem to be serious about the cheetah girls just like i am .i'd like to discuss something with you.or if you want you can email me at chelssite@yahoo.com
Re: "The Cheetah Girls 2" Discussion
Post by cheetahsisters on Nov 6, 2006, 6:52pm

FeFe wont bring the success Raven does to the movies or the music.Adrienne, Raven and Kiely bring the success to the movies and the group (even though Rae isnt with them right now). If Raven doesnt do this I fear that the cheetahs will have to end. The fans will not accept anyone else to play Galleria.
Re: "The Cheetah Girls 2" Discussion
Post by cheetahsisters on Nov 6, 2006, 7:31pm

Point blank: NO RAVEN NO CHEETAH GIRLS 3 !!!
Re: "The Cheetah Girls 2" Discussion
Post by computerfreak on Nov 6, 2006, 7:34pm

Their version of "Route 66" is AWFUL. Adrienne's note at the end is horrible.
Re: "The Cheetah Girls 2" Discussion
Post by cheetahsisters on Nov 6, 2006, 7:36pm

i know!!! they sound a mess without raven did you hear them singing on martha the other day!
Re: "The Cheetah Girls 2" Discussion
Post by cookymonzta on Nov 7, 2006, 12:37am


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Their version of "Route 66" is AWFUL. Adrienne's note at the end is horrible.

I've never heard their full version, although I heard a short audio clip of it.

Personally, I think the producers are making a big mistake giving them another remake.  In fact, other than "Cinderella" (sung by all 4), every song that has been recorded by this trio (without Raven) has been a remake, and not one has ever made it beyond the #30 spot on the Radio Disney Top 30.  I'd bet good money that the quartet's version of "Cinderella" is one of the top 5, if not the most-requested, song ever in the 10 years of Radio Disney.

I'm almost beginning to think that this studio album they're set to release in the spring will be full of remakes.  That will almost certainly guarantee a flop.

As for other future projects, it looks as if Cheetah Girls 3 is almost a certainty, and maybe even a Cheetah Girls 4.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Cheetah_Girls_%28girl_group%29

I think the studio album in 2007 will ultimately decide if there will be a 3rd movie, or whether they write Raven's character, Galleria, out of the story or find a replacement to portray her.
Re: "The Cheetah Girls 2" Discussion
Post by cheetahsisters on Nov 7, 2006, 11:11am

I dont think they will replace Raven as Galleria she brings way too much to the movies for them to have anyone else play Galleria.They are going to work something out but if they dont and they do replace her or write Galleria out it movie and soundtrack will flop and there wont be a Cheetah Girls 4 or a tv series.

This so called new studio album will flop for sure without Raven and also because they are talking about having Will.I.AM from the black eyed peas work on it.There is not way this album will represent "girl power" or be "cheetah-licious" like the soundtracks with him apart of it.

Disney knows they need Raven because they have added Back -Up singers to their act trying to make the harmony sound better.
Re: "The Cheetah Girls 2" Discussion
Post by thereboundkid on Nov 7, 2006, 1:10pm

Even if Raven was there, I'm sure they would have back-up singers.

I saw them on Leno yesterday. I thought they were pretty good.
Re: "The Cheetah Girls 2" Discussion
Post by cheetahsisters on Nov 7, 2006, 7:46pm

they wouldnt need back up singers if raven was there
Re: "The Cheetah Girls 2" Discussion
Post by thereboundkid on Nov 7, 2006, 7:59pm

^^ Most group still have back-up singers regardless.
Re: "The Cheetah Girls 2" Discussion
Post by jayd83 on Nov 7, 2006, 8:08pm

http://youtube.com/watch?v=Fym5bfgv_po - The Party's Just Begun WITH Raven @ GMA.
Re: "The Cheetah Girls 2" Discussion
Post by justfloating on Nov 7, 2006, 8:22pm

Raven is so much of this group...more so than people are thinking. she is the soul of the group and she is what sold them in the beginning and her voice is still towering over them in every song she is in. she is the Beyonce of them. i understand people's frustration with her but it is also necessary to understand she is a human being and her life cannot revolve around the public wants and this is not something that she signed up for. she did not sign up to be in the musical group so it shouldnt be expected that she carry that out.
please dont attack this and everyone here seems level headed but i felt the need to say that because she is so talented and is nearly impossible to replace her personality, voice, and chemistry (on camera) with the others. the movies always revolve around her character and replacing that is harder than some may think. its not like replacing Aqua who really has no effect on the story line. Raven's voice is perfect for the group because while strong, it still harmonizes well with the others. The most important thing to do is to realize that should Raven take or leave this oppurtunity, she is a person and the decision should be hers and her contributions to Disney Channel should be recognized. She had the number 1 show for years with "Thats So Raven" and the Cheetah Girls success should be accredited to her on many levels.
Ill keep updated on what goes on here. its interesting to see everyone's views.
As for Fefe, it wont work for me and goes against what the Cheetah Girls are about.
Re: "The Cheetah Girls 2" Discussion
Post by cookymonzta on Nov 7, 2006, 10:38pm


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Raven is so much of this group...more so than people are thinking. she is the soul of the group and she is what sold them in the beginning and her voice is still towering over them in every song she is in. she is the Beyonce of them. i understand people's frustration with her but it is also necessary to understand she is a human being and her life cannot revolve around the public wants and this is not something that she signed up for. she did not sign up to be in the musical group so it shouldnt be expected that she carry that out.
please dont attack this and everyone here seems level headed but i felt the need to say that because she is so talented and is nearly impossible to replace her personality, voice, and chemistry (on camera) with the others. the movies always revolve around her character and replacing that is harder than some may think. its not like replacing Aqua who really has no effect on the story line. Raven's voice is perfect for the group because while strong, it still harmonizes well with the others. The most important thing to do is to realize that should Raven take or leave this oppurtunity, she is a person and the decision should be hers and her contributions to Disney Channel should be recognized. She had the number 1 show for years with "Thats So Raven" and the Cheetah Girls success should be accredited to her on many levels.
Ill keep updated on what goes on here. its interesting to see everyone's views.
As for Fefe, it wont work for me and goes against what the Cheetah Girls are about.

I assume you think it's because Fefe is a rocker, no?  I thought about that myself; but 3 things made me consider her as my front-runner to replace Raven:

1.  She is biracial (actually multiracial), and born in 1985.  If Disney decides to make a 3rd movie, then whoever is chosen to be the leader of this group will play Galleria, and Galleria is biracial.  Whoever is chosen would almost certainly have to be light-skinned (as is Raven) or biracial, and born between 1984 and 1986.

2.  Fefe got her start singing karaoke to tunes across many genres, and sent in demo tapes of her performances.  At first, they wanted to make her over into another pop princess, but she wanted more of a rock-fusion edge to her sound (that is, she wanted more guitar), and she wanted to write some of her own material.  She'd have to wait a few years before she got her chance.  [Read her Wikipedia bio.]

3.  The Cheetah Girls stepped across that line, from pop/R&B-fusion to the edge of rock, when they sang "Strut", which is obviously guitar-heavy.  No doubt, there'll be more pop/R&B/rock fusion songs for this group, whether Raven is there or not.  I wouldn't be surprised if one songwriter is prepared to give the touring trio another pop/rock fusion song for their studio album in 2007.  Imagine how different, and how convincing, such a song would be in Fefe's hands, especially if she wrote it.  From what I've read, the girl does play guitar.

Although the chances are likely that Fefe will say no to joining this group (and don't think I haven't thought about that, either), if she says yes, it would almost certainly require her to go back to how she got into the music business; which was, by singing mostly pop tunes.  No doubt, they would surely give her the opportunity to write songs for this group, even add her own flavor to the fusion sound that this group has now embraced and presented to their audience.

I think I mentioned this before (if not on this board, then somewhere else), but I'll say it again:  Group members get replaced all the time, and in some cases (rare as it may be, depending on how long the group has been in business), some groups survive even without their lead member.

AC/DC survived Bon Scott's death, getting Brian Johnson as his replacement and going twice diamond (20M).  Genesis fired Peter Gabriel, and moved Phil Collins up to the lead spot.  Several members of the Temptations who performed lead duties on one song or another either quit or were given the boot, and that group managed to survive at least 2 decades with replacements left and right, and top-10 R&B hits.

It all depends on whether the new lead vocalist can deliver or not.  A group that loses its lead vocalist after 10 years or more might not have a prayer with either a new lead vocalist or another member taking the lead.  The Cheetahs have only been around for 3, and except for "Cinderella" being continually requested at Radio Disney for all of those 3 years, they've been largely off the radar for 2 of those years (2004 and 2005).

Worse yet, Raven has never toured with them, yet the concerts still sell out.  That makes it highly probable that the public will give her replacement a chance to prove herself, before they pass judgment on this group.  Of course, if they leave Cheetah Girls 3 to the remaining trio, and write the lead character out of the story, they're done.

One other thing:  The Monkees were the first group, derived from a fictional concept, to have a top-10 hit on the Hot 100.  They finished their career with 7.  They're the only all-male group to do so.  The Cheetah Girls were in a very good position to be the first all-female group, derived completely from fiction, to put a hit in the top 10, if they got the right songwriters and if they had kept Raven.  I don't think the trio can, but I still think there's an outside chance that Raven's replacement, if chosen carefully, can help them get there.

Fefe Dobson remains my choice as a replacement.  If you have another, now's the perfect time.  Remember:  If there is a 3rd movie, Raven's replacement will have to be light-skinned or biracial, and born between 1984 and 1986, if she is to play Galleria.
Re: "The Cheetah Girls 2" Discussion
Post by justfloating on Nov 7, 2006, 11:16pm

I just dont think an established artist like Fefe would hop at the chance to join a group like the Cheetah Girls. She seems more independently driven to me and more of someone who likes to run the show, different have you than say Beyonce, but quietly I think she rather have full control. When I said she wouldnt fit their style of music, I was more referring to her vocal range, or lack there of, and just the tone of her voice. Where Raven and Adrienne who do most of the main vocals have powerful ranging vocals, Ive heard Fefe's album (I have it) and was not so much impressed with her vocal ability. I dont think Adrienne can carry the group vocally like Raven did; she's been trying to with the three of them and it hasnt been working IMO.
I would prefer Disney just find some unknown personally, or whomever is in charge of this search. I think it would be better for the group and less akward for many people than to replace a well known star with another established artist. I think it would be strange. I much rather see a fresh new face in the group.
The group had something special, i just think becoming the Spice Girls as opposed to Destiny's Child is the wrong direction to go in this industry. When I say that I dont mean genre, I mean more that Destiny's Child always, rather real or not, had a feeling of cohesion like they were best friends and they wrote their own songs, or Beyonce did lol, whereas Spice Girls seemed forced at times, gimmicky, and seemed to be a group put together by producers, robots selling a positive message. Yes, they seemed close as well, but something so superficial looking back on it lol....there are actually a lot of similarities, those costumes as well, the cheesy phrases like "Cheetahlicious"; I mean, I dont think they should try to re-enact a book in the music industry.
3LW didnt work for very long and neither will this. There is no replacement for Raven in my eyes; no one can fill those shoes because she wore those shoes for so long and those heels wont look as good with the rest of the shoes in the closet without her in them.
Re: "The Cheetah Girls 2" Discussion
Post by cookymonzta on Nov 8, 2006, 4:13pm

A fresh new face, at this point, is the quickest way to guarantee a flop for the girls.  The fact that they don't know anything at all about the newcomer, as you would have it, is surely to leave their fans with many more questions than answers; whereas Fefe, who has sold at least 304,000 copies of her first album, is not so well-known, but not so unknown that people will ask "Who is she?"

With regard to what kind of group this group should be, I don't think the Cheetahs should follow the example of either Destiny's Child or the Spice Girls.  For one, there are too many sex vixens in pop and R&B today; for another, groups like the Spice Girls seemed way too manufactured.  I said it before, and I'll say it again:  In some aspects, the Cheetahs (with Raven) reminded me of TLC; not much sex, but plenty of messages embedded in their lyrics.  They go in the direction of TLC on their next try, they'll be fine, so long as they have someone who can sell the group even half as well as Raven did.

Speaking of which, as far as the current leader is concerned, we on this thread have been saying all along that Adrienne, although regarded as the best vocalist of the group, can't sell this group like Raven did.  Furthermore, as a real group on the road, they're not exactly obliged to re-enact a book, or phrases in the book.  They are not their characters when they're in the studio or on tour.

By the way, 3LW did work, for about a year (platinum in 2000), until an incident and the acrimony that followed forced Naturi out.  The remaining 2 members paid dearly for it, with a huge flop in 2002, and an even embarrassing Christmas album that same year (where they kept the name, but only the 2 of them recorded it).  That is probably why they auditioned for the Cheetah Girls.

Technically, Raven has not been a Cheetah Girl that long.  In fact, the Cheetah Girls as a real group are not that old.  She came for the 2002 filming of the first movie, and the recording of the corresponding soundtrack, but after the 2003 premiere she went back to her own projects, and had almost nothing to do with the group until the script for the 2nd movie was finished and they were ready to go to production.

I say again, though Raven may be popular as an actress, she has not been very popular as a solo singer.  Her 3 flops are a testament to her lack of popularity.  And by the way, she is also someone who seems to be more independently driven, maybe even more so than Fefe.  The fact that she has never toured with the group makes that point very obvious.

It is not unheard of to put 2 flop acts together and come up with a hit group.  Everlast, who was a flop as a rapper in 1989, straightened his $#!+ out, hooked up with unknowns Danny Boy and D.J. Lethal, and formed the House of Pain, and went double-platinum.  The same seems to apply for the Cheetahs (2xP and G), with Raven being a flop solo artist and 2 members of 3LW being one-album-wonder almost-has-beens.
Re: "The Cheetah Girls 2" Discussion
Post by justfloating on Nov 8, 2006, 5:04pm

True, I agree with most of it, and more so on TLC instead of Destiny's Child...I knew you mentioned someone but forgot when I was writing the message. I also agree with Raven being independent which was the point I was making which is that she was always that way and some people seem to be blaming her for this and its not really her fault.
Raven's image appeals to a younger crowd because of the kind of world we live in. Because she is not size zero and superficial, I think some people underate her star ability which I think the group is sorely lacking without her for even younger market; the personality and presence.
I wont beat a dead horse or anything but I just think its over for the Cheetah Girls and as much as I would like to see them be a hit; I think their oppurtunity passed to be recognized and the spotlight is elsewhere. I think their potential was shown more so in the Cheetah Girls 2 particularly in the final performance, but if they could capture an audience like that without those 4, Im not sure. Their on screen chemistry was incredible.
Re: "The Cheetah Girls 2" Discussion
Post by cookymonzta on Nov 8, 2006, 7:22pm


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True, I agree with most of it, and more so on TLC instead of Destiny's Child...I knew you mentioned someone but forgot when I was writing the message. I also agree with Raven being independent which was the point I was making which is that she was always that way and some people seem to be blaming her for this and its not really her fault.
Raven's image appeals to a younger crowd because of the kind of world we live in. Because she is not size zero and superficial, I think some people underate her star ability which I think the group is sorely lacking without her for even younger market; the personality and presence.
I wont beat a dead horse or anything but I just think its over for the Cheetah Girls and as much as I would like to see them be a hit; I think their oppurtunity passed to be recognized and the spotlight is elsewhere. I think their potential was shown more so in the Cheetah Girls 2 particularly in the final performance, but if they could capture an audience like that without those 4, Im not sure. Their on screen chemistry was incredible.

You won't get much of an argument from me on the first 2 paragraphs. As far as your last paragraph is concerned, it remains to be seen. If they go ahead with Cheetah Girls 3, with the trio they have now, it's definitely over.

Once again, if anyone has another candidate as Raven's replacement, now's the time to present one. Remember the criteria, should she take on the role of Galleria in the 3rd movie.
Re: "The Cheetah Girls 2" Discussion
Post by thewbrocks67 on Nov 8, 2006, 7:47pm

Cheetah Girls 2 soundtrack has sold 620,000 viewers.

I'm just gonna say this:

No Raven, No Cheetah Girls 3. Simple as that.
Re: "The Cheetah Girls 2" Discussion
Post by cheetahsisters on Nov 9, 2006, 4:18pm


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Cheetah Girls 2 soundtrack has sold 620,000 viewers.

I'm just gonna say this:

No Raven, No Cheetah Girls 3. Simple as that.


Amen to that!! no matter how many tickets they sell on this concert it has NOTHING to do with the movies or soundtrack.

If Raven doesnt change her mind about doing this movie there will be no Cheetah Girls 3!! The fans WILL NOT accept anyone else to play Galleria!
Re: "The Cheetah Girls 2" Discussion
Post by cookymonzta on Nov 17, 2006, 2:01am

The touring trio now have a name for their next album: Cheetahs Gonna Get Down. The early rumor (from someone who posted at Wikipedia) is that one track, called "Gonna Party All Night", will include Raven.

With recent word of her latest album From Then Until... being in fact a re-release of her 1999 album Undeniable, thereby leaving many more questions about when or if she will release an album of new material, the question is now this: Will Raven participate on any more tracks with the trio, or even finish the album with them? If that turns out to be the case, then maybe she has had second thoughts about quitting the group.

Having seen some of the song titles rumored to be on this next Cheetah Girls album, I think they need to scrap most of it, and start from scratch. They're still playing to their 7-to-14 fan-base. They (with Raven) can go for the 15-to-24 crowd and still keep it relatively clean and understandable by the 7-to-14 crowd (case in point: Dixie Chicks, TLC, Spice Girls). They're in their 20s now, and soon enough, they'll have to go from straight-G to PG.

In any case, the plot thickens...
The challenge is met: SPG TV movie in 2007!
Post by cookymonzta on Nov 25, 2006, 4:43pm

...and the battle is joined!

From what I have read, on the Web, it looks as if CBS, KOL and DIC Entertainment will challenge Disney and the Cheetah Girls, as word has it that the Slumber Party Girls will have a television movie as well, in 2007.  Once more, there is talk that they may also have a weekly television sit-com.

http://www.spokesmanreview.com/tools/story_pf.asp?ID=155567

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/24/arts/t....rssn yt&emc=rss

It should be noted that the Cheetahs (all 4) had a weekly television series of their own, having filmed 4 episodes before suspending production (Raven's busy schedule and her own show being one of the reasons).  Disney never aired those episodes.

Regardless, despite sales of the SPG's first album being lame, CBS and DIC may take advantage of the fact that they have caught the Cheetahs in a vulnerable position; that, of course, being Raven's permanent departure from the Cheetahs, leaving the group a trio and leaving Disney to consider keeping it that way or finding her replacement (or perhaps even a 5th member, to play Angie), before plans for the Cheetahs' third movie are drawn up; and given the way the concerts have been going lately (extended from its original 35 dates to 80) there will almost certainly be a third movie.

If ratings are satisfactory for KOL's Secret Slumber Party series of Saturday morning shows, the SPG's chances of challenging the Cheetah Girls will increase considerably.  It remains to be seen if their producers can straighten out whatever strategy failed in their promotion of the group's first album, before the second album goes to production, probably in mid-to-late-2007, or early-2008.
Re: "The Cheetah Girls 2" Discussion
Post by thewbrocks67 on Nov 25, 2006, 5:22pm

I doubt the Slumber Party Girls will be popular considering I dont think alot of people have even heard of them and they are coming from nowhere (Cheetahs had best-selling books)

Raven needs to think of her priorities.. she is making a big mistake if she is leaving the Cheetahs for good. And if she does leave the cheetahs, then they are done.

It sucks to be the other 3 cheetahs considering there fate is in Raven's hand, in a way
Re: "The Cheetah Girls 2" Discussion
Post by cookymonzta on Nov 25, 2006, 5:29pm


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I doubt the Slumber Party Girls will be popular considering I dont think alot of people have even heard of them and they are coming from nowhere (Cheetahs had best-selling books)

Raven needs to think of her priorities.. she is making a big mistake if she is leaving the Cheetahs for good. And if she does leave the cheetahs, then they are done.

It sucks to be the other 3 cheetahs considering there fate is in Raven's hand, in a way

You have a point about the SPG; but I've seen many things (legitimate or weird) in my time come out of nowhere to steal the spotlight big-time. I'd keep an eye on them, and see where they stand at the end of 2007, compared to the Cheetahs.
Re: "The Cheetah Girls 2" Discussion
Post by wave on Nov 25, 2006, 10:15pm


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A fresh new face, at this point, is the quickest way to guarantee a flop for the girls.  The fact that they don't know anything at all about the newcomer, as you would have it, is surely to leave their fans with many more questions than answers; whereas Fefe, who has sold at least 304,000 copies of her first album, is not so well-known, but not so unknown that people will ask "Who is she?"

With regard to what kind of group this group should be, I don't think the Cheetahs should follow the example of either Destiny's Child or the Spice Girls.  For one, there are too many sex vixens in pop and R&B today; for another, groups like the Spice Girls seemed way too manufactured.  I said it before, and I'll say it again:  In some aspects, the Cheetahs (with Raven) reminded me of TLC; not much sex, but plenty of messages embedded in their lyrics.  They go in the direction of TLC on their next try, they'll be fine, so long as they have someone who can sell the group even half as well as Raven did.

Speaking of which, as far as the current leader is concerned, we on this thread have been saying all along that Adrienne, although regarded as the best vocalist of the group, can't sell this group like Raven did.  Furthermore, as a real group on the road, they're not exactly obliged to re-enact a book, or phrases in the book.  They are not their characters when they're in the studio or on tour.

By the way, 3LW did work, for about a year (platinum in 2000), until an incident and the acrimony that followed forced Naturi out.  The remaining 2 members paid dearly for it, with a huge flop in 2002, and an even embarrassing Christmas album that same year (where they kept the name, but only the 2 of them recorded it).  That is probably why they auditioned for the Cheetah Girls.

Technically, Raven has not been a Cheetah Girl that long.  In fact, the Cheetah Girls as a real group are not that old.  She came for the 2002 filming of the first movie, and the recording of the corresponding soundtrack, but after the 2003 premiere she went back to her own projects, and had almost nothing to do with the group until the script for the 2nd movie was finished and they were ready to go to production.

I say again, though Raven may be popular as an actress, she has not been very popular as a solo singer.  Her 3 flops are a testament to her lack of popularity.  And by the way, she is also someone who seems to be more independently driven, maybe even more so than Fefe.  The fact that she has never toured with the group makes that point very obvious.

It is not unheard of to put 2 flop acts together and come up with a hit group.  Everlast, who was a flop as a rapper in 1989, straightened his $#!+ out, hooked up with unknowns Danny Boy and D.J. Lethal, and formed the House of Pain, and went double-platinum.  The same seems to apply for the Cheetahs (2xP and G), with Raven being a flop solo artist and 2 members of 3LW being one-album-wonder almost-has-beens.

Just had to point out..Cheetahs(2xp&P) P being recently certified.
Re: "The Cheetah Girls 2" Discussion
Post by marcjm on Nov 26, 2006, 2:53am

I didn't know they sold as well as they did...almost Platinum wow!
Re: "The Cheetah Girls 2" Discussion
Post by thewbrocks67 on Nov 26, 2006, 9:53am

Raven is retarded. Sorry but she is.
Re: "The Cheetah Girls 2" Discussion
Post by wave on Nov 26, 2006, 1:41pm


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Raven is retarded. Sorry but she is.

Why is she?
Re: "The Cheetah Girls 2" Discussion
Post by reception on Nov 26, 2006, 1:52pm

USA Weekend: Mogul in the mix
A teen talent tycoon scouts out the girl group movie musical "Cheetah Girls 2."

By Rebecca Louie
The DVD, out Tuesday, stars the popular girl group, including Adrienne Bailon, Raven-Symone, Sabrina Bryan and Kiely Williams.

THE PLOT: The Cheetah Girls are a multiethnic quartet of New York City teens who juggle friendship with their quest for "international superstardom." In the sequel to the Disney Channel's original hit musical, the "Cheetahs" (Raven-Symone, Adrienne Bailon, Sabrina Bryan, Kiely Williams) enter a talent competition in Barcelona, where romance, family matters and shady competitors threaten their bond.

INSIDER'S CREDENTIALS: Music mogul Lou Pearlman is the founder and chairman of Trans Continental Records -- the Orlando-based label behind teeny-bopper megabands such as 'N Sync, O-Town and the Backstreet Boys -- which has sold 200 million-plus records. Pearlman created one of the first network reality shows, "Making the Band," for ABC and is the author of "Bands, Brands & Billions."

OVERVIEW: "It's a nice teen movie. The trials and tribulations, the ins and outs, all of the drama is stuff that goes on in real life. The Cheetahs play off of each other well. Girl groups need to have that girl power thing like the Spice Girls did. You have to make sure they don't look like they're one-upping their fans, like 'We're prettier, and we have it more together than you.' You have to make it a girlfriend thing, which they do."

Scene 7: Barcelonan Stage -- Lola (Kim Manning), the manipulative momof the Cheetahs' rival, reveals her plot to break up the group.

"It was interesting how it played out with that show mom. We interview kids and parents at the same time because some of the adults want to [vicariously] be the kids on stage. We want to make sure the kid is into it, not just the parents. As long as the parents don't act too aggressive, then we are good."

Scene 14: The Principle of the Thing -- The competition director reinstates the disqualified Cheetahs after Lola is busted for foul play.

"Usually, a lot of teen movies have happy endings. When the competition director comes in to save the day, [it reminds me] of a lot of times when I have had trouble with a band. Once, the Backstreet Boys were playing a club in Miami. It was one of their first gigs. The audience was filled with guys, and they were throwing lemons and ice on stage. We had no idea what was going on. It turns out the booking agent had booked them to open for a wet T-shirt contest. The guys were waiting to see hot girls, and they got the Backstreet Boys instead."
Re: "The Cheetah Girls 2" Discussion
Post by cookymonzta on Nov 28, 2006, 4:36pm

Cheetahs have just caught Danity Kane in the sales department.  Take a look at the HDD numbers.  They are now closing in on 780,000 copies overall, while DK is likely to finish this week with 760,000.

Raven & Co. now have the third-best-selling album among female groups in 2006. The trio (without Raven, of course) is riding on the coattails of Cheetah Girls 2, with their Christmas album (released last year) approaching 40,000. They will have sold another 70,000, for 200,000 overall.
Re: "The Cheetah Girls 2" Discussion
Post by computerfreak on Dec 4, 2006, 2:12pm

Pretty good sales.
Re: "The Cheetah Girls 2" Discussion
Post by thewbrocks67 on Dec 4, 2006, 3:54pm

Well you really cant compare Cheetah girls and DK.. DK are a brand-new group with one single out and Cheetah Girls already have a built-in audience plus whenever the movie gets replayed the sales will go up.
Re: "The Cheetah Girls 2" Discussion
Post by wave on Dec 4, 2006, 3:58pm

This movie is actually good. Im kinda late I finally seen it.
Im likin "Its Over".
Re: "The Cheetah Girls 2" Discussion
Post by cheetahsisters on Dec 7, 2006, 9:51pm

let me tell you the reason why disney will not replace Raven as Galleria.

Disney now knows that replacing a major star in a sequel to a popular movie is not a good thing and here is the reason why. Kimberly J. Brown wasn't able to film Halloweentown:Witch U because at the time she was filming something else so instead of waiting for her to become available they replaced her with Sara Paxton.now Kim had the role of Marnie in all the other halloweentown movies.In the result of replaing her hallweetown:witch u was a big flop because once people found out Kim wasnt playing Marnie they decided not to watch.

Disney wont make that mistake again because the cheetah girls is a very big seller for them and since Raven is one of their biggest stars to date replacing her with anyone would be just dumb. they will either wait for Raven to become availble or just not make the 3rd movie at all.
Re: "The Cheetah Girls 2" Discussion
Post by cookymonzta on Dec 8, 2006, 12:07pm


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let me tell you the reason why disney will not replace Raven as Galleria.

Disney now knows that replacing a major star in a sequel to a popular movie is not a good thing and here is the reason why. Kimberly J. Brown wasn't able to film Halloweentown:Witch U because at the time she was filming something else so instead of waiting for her to become available they replaced her with Sara Paxton.now Kim had the role of Marnie in all the other halloweentown movies.In the result of replaing her hallweetown:witch u was a big flop because once people found out Kim wasnt playing Marnie they decided not to watch.

Disney wont make that mistake again because the cheetah girls is a very big seller for them and since Raven is one of their biggest stars to date replacing her with anyone would be just dumb. they will either wait for Raven to become availble or just not make the 3rd movie at all.

That remains to be seen. Word has it that, if they go to production in the summer of 2007, she will not be available; but if they go to production sometime in 2008, she might be. But if she intends not to have anything to do with the Cheetahs anymore from this point, Disney will be in a situation where they will either have to replace her or go with the remaining 3.

I, for one, believe their prospects are better with a replacement, because alone, the trio cannot sell this group the way Raven did. If Disney plays their cards right with her replacement, their chances will be half as good as they were with Raven in the group. I don't think they'll draw 7.82 million viewers like the second movie did, but they have a better chance of drawing 7 million with a replacement, than leaving it to the trio.

Personally, I think it is way too soon for them to start filming Cheetah Girls 3 in the summer of 2007. They risk producing a storyline that will look obviously rushed to the viewers, and they will lose viewers that way. I will bet the farm they will wait until the spring of 2008. By then, Raven should be free to participate; and even if she does, I'd like to see them bring forth a 5th member to the group, to resurrect the 5th fictional member (Anginette), as it was in Deborah Gregory's books. Like I said before, they can rewrite the character as a fraternal twin.
Re: "The Cheetah Girls 2" Discussion
Post by thewbrocks67 on Dec 8, 2006, 3:57pm


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let me tell you the reason why disney will not replace Raven as Galleria.

Disney now knows that replacing a major star in a sequel to a popular movie is not a good thing and here is the reason why. Kimberly J. Brown wasn't able to film Halloweentown:Witch U because at the time she was filming something else so instead of waiting for her to become available they replaced her with Sara Paxton.now Kim had the role of Marnie in all the other halloweentown movies.In the result of replaing her hallweetown:witch u was a big flop because once people found out Kim wasnt playing Marnie they decided not to watch.

Disney wont make that mistake again because the cheetah girls is a very big seller for them and since Raven is one of their biggest stars to date replacing her with anyone would be just dumb. they will either wait for Raven to become availble or just not make the 3rd movie at all.


Actually about the Halloweentown thing, the movie wasn't a flop, it was actually the highest rated of the "Halloweentown" movies yet which was surprising to alot of people including me but it goes to show that kids will watch it just because it has Halloweentown on it. I personally haven't seen the whole movie yet and I really don't want to, Sara Paxton will never be Kimberly J. Brown, unfortunately.
Re: "The Cheetah Girls 2" Discussion
Post by thewbrocks67 on Dec 8, 2006, 3:57pm


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let me tell you the reason why disney will not replace Raven as Galleria.

Disney now knows that replacing a major star in a sequel to a popular movie is not a good thing and here is the reason why. Kimberly J. Brown wasn't able to film Halloweentown:Witch U because at the time she was filming something else so instead of waiting for her to become available they replaced her with Sara Paxton.now Kim had the role of Marnie in all the other halloweentown movies.In the result of replaing her hallweetown:witch u was a big flop because once people found out Kim wasnt playing Marnie they decided not to watch.

Disney wont make that mistake again because the cheetah girls is a very big seller for them and since Raven is one of their biggest stars to date replacing her with anyone would be just dumb. they will either wait for Raven to become availble or just not make the 3rd movie at all.


Actually about the Halloweentown thing, the movie wasn't a flop, it was actually the highest rated of the "Halloweentown" movies yet which was surprising to alot of people including me but it goes to show that kids will watch it just because it has Halloweentown on it. I personally haven't seen the whole movie yet and I really don't want to, Sara Paxton will never be Kimberly J. Brown, unfortunately.
Re: "The Cheetah Girls 2" Discussion
Post by cookymonzta on Dec 8, 2006, 4:32pm


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let me tell you the reason why disney will not replace Raven as Galleria.

Disney now knows that replacing a major star in a sequel to a popular movie is not a good thing and here is the reason why. Kimberly J. Brown wasn't able to film Halloweentown:Witch U because at the time she was filming something else so instead of waiting for her to become available they replaced her with Sara Paxton.now Kim had the role of Marnie in all the other halloweentown movies.In the result of replaing her hallweetown:witch u was a big flop because once people found out Kim wasnt playing Marnie they decided not to watch.

Disney wont make that mistake again because the cheetah girls is a very big seller for them and since Raven is one of their biggest stars to date replacing her with anyone would be just dumb. they will either wait for Raven to become availble or just not make the 3rd movie at all.


Actually about the Halloweentown thing, the movie wasn't a flop, it was actually the highest rated of the "Halloweentown" movies yet which was surprising to alot of people including me but it goes to show that kids will watch it just because it has Halloweentown on it. I personally haven't seen the whole movie yet and I really don't want to, Sara Paxton will never be Kimberly J. Brown, unfortunately.

Thanks for clearing that up. What were the ratings for Return to Halloweentown, in cpmparison to the other Halloweentown movies?
Re: "The Cheetah Girls 2" Discussion
Post by cookymonzta on Dec 8, 2006, 4:44pm


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Actually about the Halloweentown thing, the movie wasn't a flop, it was actually the highest rated of the "Halloweentown" movies yet which was surprising to alot of people including me but it goes to show that kids will watch it just because it has Halloweentown on it. I personally haven't seen the whole movie yet and I really don't want to, Sara Paxton will never be Kimberly J. Brown, unfortunately.

Thanks for clearing that up. What were the ratings for Return to Halloweentown, in cpmparison to the other Halloweentown movies?

Never mind. I found one source (Boston.com) that quoted cable ratings for the week of 10/16 to 10/22, and with 7.52 million viewers on its first night, Return to Halloweentown almost took out Cheetah Girls 2 as the highest-rated movie in Disney history.

It seems that replacements at the lead make less of a difference than I thought. But will it work for a singing group? It worked for AC/DC, when Bon Scott died in 1980 and Brian Johnson took his place. Back in Black went on to sell 21 million...

But then again, the Cheetah Girls are not AC/DC; not even close. Nevertheless, if it comes to a point where they must replace Raven, then so be it. They would not be the first to replace a highly-popular lead vocalist, or the last.
Re: "The Cheetah Girls 2" Discussion
Post by areyoureadytojump on Feb 2, 2007, 3:08pm

2/10/07 chart:

87 Cheetah Girls 2 - Soundtrack 9,531 10,768 -11% 1,257,645
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Post by reception on Feb 2, 2007, 3:12pm

Posted on: Friday, February 2, 2007
Cheetah-licious

By Loren Moreno
Advertiser Staff Writer

Mirror, mirror on the wall, who's the coolest Cheetah of them all?

According to young rabid fans of tween recording sensations The Cheetah Girls, they're all cool — Cheetah-licious, to be exact.

"I love them all. I can't have a favorite," said 12-year-old Elizabeth Ritter, a self-proclaimed Cheetah Girl maniac.

Ritter and three friends, all sixth-graders at Island Pacific Academy in Kapolei, just had a Cheetah Girls sleepover during which they watched both of the musical group's made-for-TV movies and imitated the girls while listening to their albums all night long.

"We all wore Cheetah Girls outfits," Ritter said.

This weekend, Ritter and her friends will be among the crowds of shrieking, cheetah-print-wearing 6- to 12-year-old girls (with their chaperones), who know all the lyrics to hits "Strut" and "The Party's Just Begun," when the Disney act prowls into the Blaisdell Arena.

The Cheetah Girls are the latest in Disney's long line of teen music sensations that includes Christina Aguilera, Justin Timberlake and Britney Spears. Like their predecessors, the girl group's ability to claw their way up the music charts should not be underestimated, and neither should the buying power of their young fans (or their parents, more accurately).

The soundtrack to "The Cheetah Girls 2," the group's second made-for-TV Disney Channel movie, ended 2006 at No. 84 on the Billboard Top 200 album chart, selling more albums than Gwen Stefani, Janet Jackson and Coldplay, among others. In fact, the album debuted in the top 10 on U.S. pop charts last summer and has sold more than 459,000 copies.

FROM BOOKS TO MOVIES

The Cheetah Girls began as a fictional pop group in a series of teen books by Deborah Gregory that later inspired two wildly popular Disney Channel movies, the first in 2003.

Disney, recognizing a marketing gold mine, turned the fictional band into a real performing group, complete with sparkling outfits, backup dancers and its own line of merchandising. Think The Monkeys or The Partridge Family.

"We all auditioned for the movie as actresses. After the success of the first movie and the soundtrack taking off the way it did, we decided to form a real girl group. For about four years now we've been touring and performing as The Cheetah Girls," said Cheetah Kiely Williams.

The transition from fictional to actual girl group was a natural one, she said.

"All of us come from a musical background in some shape or form. It wasn't a big shift for us. To play a girl group in the movie, you begin to take on those kind of characteristics," she said.

On film, The Cheetah Girls are made up of Adrienne Bailon, 23, as Chanel; Williams, 20, as Aqua; Sabrina Bryan, 22, as Dorinda; and Raven-Symoné, 21, as Galleria. But on tour, Raven, former child star on "The Cosby Show," is noticeably absent because of her own solo music career and her starring role on Disney Channel's "That's So Raven."

WIDESPREAD APPEAL

What exactly is it about The Cheetah Girls that makes them so popular?

Sure, Disney's marketing machine has a lot to do with it, but band members have their own take.

Williams, also a member of the multiplatinum group 3LW (Three Little Women), believes young girls can find role models in the various group members.

"I think the most appealing thing about The Cheetah Girls is that we are multicultural. We represent girls from different walks of life," Williams said. "I think girls can look at us and find things in us that they see in themselves. ... They can relate to us, and I think that has been the key to our success."

The band's wholesome quality also makes it easier for parents to buy the CDs, movies and posters for their young children. No bare midriffs or explicit lyrics here.

Lori-Ann Navares' 5-year-old daughter, Aaliyah, loves The Cheetah Girls so much that she constantly watches their movies, wears cheetah-print clothes and pretends to be Dorinda from the group. Navares is OK with her daughter's obsession because she says she likes the message that the group sends to young girls.

"I do think they are good role models for the kids. The movie itself teaches them a lot of good things — how to handle certain difficult situations, to pursue their dreams," Navares said.

Williams also believes the message of their music appeals to young girls.

"We send the message of loving yourself and really letting your inner youth shine, and not being afraid of who you are," she said.
Re: "The Cheetah Girls 2" Discussion
Post by reception on Feb 2, 2007, 6:33pm

Posted on: Friday, February 2, 2007
Q & A with a cheetah

Advertiser Staff

The Advertiser put out a call to dedicated Cheetah Girls fans and you responded in droves. Cheetah Kiely Williams, aka Aqua, took a break from the group's busy touring schedule to answer some of your questions:

Advertiser: Five-year-old Aaliyah Navares says she loves your music and your movies. Will you be making another movie?

Williams: "We have our fingers crossed. We don't know yet, but hopefully the fans call in and e-mail Disney and write them about another movie."

Eight-year-old Gabrielle and 7-year-old Gianne Constantino want to know: What's your favorite song from your movies?

Williams: "My favorite song is 'Strut.' I loved recording that song. I love everything about it. Shooting the video for it was awesome because it's such an uplifting song and makes me feel so empowered.

"Adrienne's favorite song is 'The Party's Just Begun.' That was her favorite scene to shoot in the movie, and the song gets you really excited.

"Sabrina's favorite was 'Step Up.' It was the time we banded together and decided we really wanted to make The Cheetah Girls happen, and it's really uplifting part in the movie."

Eighth-grader Danielle Sears asked: What do you folks do before a concert to get ready?

Williams: "We always get together and pray and encourage each other before we go on stage."

She also wanted to know what you will be doing in Hawai'i.

Williams: "We're ending our tour there, so we're really excited about getting ready for the big ending. And we have a few days of vacation there after the tour is over, so it's really exciting. One of our dancers is actually from Hawai'i, so he's going to show us around. ... We definitely want to sightsee and lie on the beach and relax. Sabrina said she wants to learn how to surf."

Jackie Munoz, mother of a 5-year-old fan, says her daughter has been taking hip-hop dance lessons. She wants to get your advice to help her to grow as a dancer.

Williams: "She's on the right track, definitely. We always tell people if they want to dance or sing to definitely practice. It's great that she's taking lessons. I would just tell her to try to put yourself out there and tell people about your talents."

Nine-year-old Jaclyn Sakamoto asked: What does it mean to be a Cheetah Girl?

Williams: "Being a Cheetah Girl means believing in yourself and supporting and loving your friends and following your dreams. ... That's definitely how our group dynamic is. There's a lot of teamwork and camaraderie. We really do have to work together very closely, and we have formed a really amazing bond."
Re: "The Cheetah Girls 2" Discussion
Post by reception on Feb 4, 2007, 2:00pm

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HONOLULU-- The Cheetah Girls -- Adrienne Bailon, left, Kiely Williams and Sabrina Bryan -- performed yesterday to a sold-out crowd of tween girls and some parents at the Blaisdell Arena.
Re: "The Cheetah Girls 2" Discussion
Post by xluvxduffxmusicx on Feb 4, 2007, 2:30pm

That's exciting for them. Their first official full-length album is coming out in June.
Re: "The Cheetah Girls 2" Discussion
Post by reception on Feb 5, 2007, 1:24pm


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REVIEW
Herky-perky Cheetah Girls tickle tweens

Review by John Berger
Star Bulletin

Hawaii finally got to experience "growl power" in full force as the Cheetah Girls closed their 2006-07 tour with two sold-out shows in the Blaisdell Arena this weekend. Almost everything went off like clockwork -- from the opening countdown that brought the Girls and their male dancers onstage at 5:05 p.m., to the thick clouds of confetti that rained down during final number, "Amigos Cheetahs," almost exactly 60 minutes later.

The audience -- ages 4 to 10, escorted by moms and a few indulgent dads -- loved everything.

The kids sang along when they were asked to sing, cheered on cue, repeated key phrases like a giant youth choir and quickly accepted the challenge of determining which section of the arena could show the girls the most "cheetah love" by yelling "Cheetah-licious" the loudest.

They also cheered the music videos, and the video ads for Cheetah Girls' merchandise, that ran before the show.

The kids were there for the entire concert experience. It seemed that the 30-minute intermission after the opening act was intended to provide sufficient time for kids and parents to buy Cheetah Girls merchandise, and to give mothers with younger kids ample time to get them in and out of the ladies' room, but most of the crowd stayed put in the arena and watched with rapt attention as the boom camera operator scanned the crowd and put an ever-changing panorama of the arena floor on the overhead screen.

Some kids waved enthusiastically or held up homemade Cheetah Girls posters when they saw themselves made big on the overhead; others suddenly became bashful.

If anyone in the arena cared that one of the four Girls wasn't there -- Raven-Symone, a k a Galleria, was off promoting a solo project -- it wasn't evident in the greeting the others received when they came out in unisex garb, stripped down to Cheetah Girls attire and got the party started.

Adrienne Bailon, a k a Chanel, Sabrina Bryan, a k a Dorinda, and Kiely Williams, a k a Aquanette, were a full and complete show on their own. Anyone who didn't know that the Cheetah Girls are officially a quartet would be charmed by the trio.

Bright, bouncy and eminently personable, the Girls worked hard for their fans. "Strut," one of several songs from their "Cheetah Girls 2" project, was a particular favorite.

It was also interesting from a musicological perspective to hear them do a hit from the '60s, "Shake a Tail Feather," with the original James & Bobby Purify lyrics ("I've heard about that fella you've been dancing with ..." ), and then also do "Route 66," which goes back a generation before that.

Even allowing for the fact that it was a tracks show, the Girls were more than just all right. Equal parts En Vogue and all the tracks-act girl groups of the late '80s (Sweet Sensation, the Cover Girls, Seduction, Expose, Company B, etc.), and with a hint or two of the Bangles as well, the Girls proved to be more than kiddie fare.

There was some substance to what they were doing.

The production values of the show were the only disappointment. The flow was interrupted many times when the Girls and their dancers left the stage, the lights went dark and nothing at all was happening. The time required for costume changes can be covered in several ways that allow the action to continue onstage, and a show like this one should be world class even if it is aimed at kids.

Sound quality was excellent -- albeit a bit loud for some of the moms and dads -- and the lighting was all it needed to be, but the show overall would have had even more "growl power" if it had been produced and directed at the level it should have been, providing 60 minutes of nonstop action by the Girls and/or their dancers. A stop-and-go performance, with intermittent periods of stagnant darkness, is not what Chanel, Dorinda and Aquanette represent.

But growl on, ladies, growl on!

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Re: "The Cheetah Girls 2" Discussion
Post by reception on Feb 9, 2007, 1:42pm

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The Cheetah Girls -- Adrienne Bailon (Chanel), left, Sabrina Bryan (Dorinda) and Kiely Williams (Aquanette) -- greeted VIP guests backstage before going out to meet a lucky group of fans after their sold-out concert at the Blaisdell Arena on Saturday. The girls closed their 2006-07 concert tour Sunday with a second sold-old show in the arena
Re: "The Cheetah Girls 2" Discussion
Post by areyoureadytojump on Feb 9, 2007, 5:59pm

2/17/07 chart:

25 DBV 73 87 104 CHEETAH GIRLS 2 SOUNDTRACK 9,322 -2% 9,531 1,267,234
Re: "The Cheetah Girls 2" Discussion
Post by reception on Mar 6, 2007, 7:01am

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38th Annual NAACP Image Awards
Re: "The Cheetah Girls 2" Discussion
Post by wave on Mar 6, 2007, 6:13pm

OOO! Raven was there 2...
Re: "The Cheetah Girls 2" Discussion
Post by areyoureadytojump on Mar 8, 2007, 10:28am

3/17/07 chart:

29 DBV 118 133 149 CHEETAH GIRLS 2 SOUNDTRACK 5,325 -16% 6,333 1,296,306