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Post by clarksodi on Dec 6, 2010 17:55:26 GMT -5
Let's clarify.
Not one person out of the list is already a legend. They have the potential to be legends and are on track. In this regard, Carrie is, IMO, the next legend. Some international fame would cement her completely.
Swift is next in line. I don't know how people can still throw the "she's the flavor of the month" so far into her career. Unless by month, they mean 4 or so years. She's clearly here to stay.
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Post by captainreba on Dec 6, 2010 18:05:19 GMT -5
She's clearly here to stay. Okay listen, i like taylor and her new album is amazing, easily one of the best this year. BUT, if she wants to have the longetivity that reba has had, she needs to record more mature story-type songs, like dear john, innocent,never grow up,etc. Her new album was spot on when it came to that category. I dont see her being the favour of right now, i actually see her staying around for a long time if she keeps putting out more albums like speak now.
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Post by kt1990 on Dec 6, 2010 18:27:45 GMT -5
I think if Taylor wants to be a Country legend, she's gonna have to start putting out, you know, Country music....
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Post by Typo on Dec 6, 2010 18:29:11 GMT -5
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Post by Stephen on Dec 6, 2010 18:50:41 GMT -5
Carrie is most likely. Followed closely by Miranda and then Taylor. All are on the right path. That said, I agree with Andrew and think that Swizzle may end up like ONJ as a country gone pop legend.
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Post by malwaredie on Dec 6, 2010 19:37:47 GMT -5
I think if Taylor wants to be a Country legend, she's gonna have to start putting out, you know, Country music.... I agree. What she is putting out is even harder to swallow than Twain's stuff as "Country" music, and i don't even consider the older one's material as country music.
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Post by reddragonlady on Dec 6, 2010 20:16:07 GMT -5
Carrie Underwood.
Taylor swift is horrible.
Will Faith Hill ever make a comeback?
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Post by carrieidol1 on Dec 6, 2010 22:44:27 GMT -5
Someone like Miley Cyrus will fade away but Taylor Swift will not.Taylor Swift will have a long career ahead of her.She is a legend already.She has a wide fanbase that will last forever.S he is the most talented country vocalist out there today.There is no denying the amazing performances that Taylor Swift does. I'm sorry, but what? That's an insult to every other Country artist EVER. I think if Taylor wants to be a Country legend, she's gonna have to start putting out, you know, Country music.... So True!!!
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Post by NLP Is an Aphrodite on Dec 6, 2010 23:06:34 GMT -5
Taylor Swift is an awful live performer, and as K.T. said previously, she needs to start producing like, country music.
Carrie will, and Miranda will. This isn't a sales matter, this is a matter of how they will stand the test of time.
You will hear "Undo It" or "Gunpowder and Lead" fifty years from now and say that Carrie or Miranda are country greats, but no one will say the same for "You Belong with Me"
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Post by malwaredie on Dec 6, 2010 23:18:46 GMT -5
You will hear "Undo It" or "Gunpowder and Lead" fifty years from now and say that Carrie or Miranda are country greats, but no one will say the same for "You Belong with Me" I doubt that Undo It will stand the test of time. IMO, that is by far her weakest single, and that poppy chorus is quite painful (IMO) to listen to.
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Post by desertfloods on Dec 6, 2010 23:26:22 GMT -5
You will hear "Undo It" or "Gunpowder and Lead" fifty years from now and say that Carrie or Miranda are country greats, but no one will say the same for "You Belong with Me" I doubt that Undo It will stand the test of time. IMO, that is by far her weakest single, and that poppy chorus is quite painful (IMO) to listen to. Bad example in Undo It, imo as well. So far, I consider Jesus Take The Wheel, Before He Cheats and to a certain extent, All-American Girl to be Carrie's signature songs. (Someday When I Stop Loving You should be on the list too :'( )
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Post by like2throw on Dec 7, 2010 0:50:38 GMT -5
I dont get it...from a pure musical standpoint, carrie underwood miranda and taylor all play similar styles of music, what is with the "shes pop no shes country" they are ALL similar musically. WTF does one have more fiddles and banjos in the background or something, seriously.
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Post by captainreba on Dec 7, 2010 5:33:15 GMT -5
In the next 20 years, if you can still hear carrie's jesus take the wheel and just a dream, just like how you can still hear fancy today, and if she's still out there having hits and selling albums. She'll be a legend
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Post by carrieidol1 on Dec 7, 2010 8:26:22 GMT -5
I dont get it...from a pure musical standpoint, carrie underwood miranda and taylor all play similar styles of music, what is with the "shes pop no shes country" they are ALL similar musically. WTF does one have more fiddles and banjos in the background or something, seriously.the instruments behind the voices have a lot more to do with it than you might think. Taylor sings more of a bubbly poppy style. Carrie started in that, but has clearly, over three albums, worked her way over to a "Countrier" style. Miranda, imo, has always been Country - she's the madern day Loretta.
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Post by desertfloods on Dec 7, 2010 9:50:18 GMT -5
I dont get it...from a pure musical standpoint, carrie underwood miranda and taylor all play similar styles of music, what is with the "shes pop no shes country" they are ALL similar musically. WTF does one have more fiddles and banjos in the background or something, seriously. I don't know how anyone could say Taylor's and Miranda's music are similar. ???
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Post by kt1990 on Dec 7, 2010 9:59:11 GMT -5
I dont get it...from a pure musical standpoint, carrie underwood miranda and taylor all play similar styles of music, what is with the "shes pop no shes country" they are ALL similar musically. WTF does one have more fiddles and banjos in the background or something, seriously. I don't know how anyone could say Taylor's and Miranda's music are similar. ??? +1
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Post by malwaredie on Dec 7, 2010 10:27:06 GMT -5
Miranda similar to Taylor? lol. Her autotuned teen pop material is not like Miranda's rootsy (yes, I know it's not traditional country music) country music.
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Post by bigfan101 on Dec 7, 2010 10:51:29 GMT -5
she has won a ton of top female vocalists wins from cma and acm awards....speaking of martina
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Post by franklin on Dec 7, 2010 15:44:27 GMT -5
I have to agree. Carrie seems the likely choice. Miranda is well on her way, but I feel she is still to new, idk. She will be there in a few years if she can continue her success or at least maintain it. Taylor on the other hand is more of a pop culture icon, not really a legend. When you think of her successes you don't only think of country, you think of her crossover appeal. In the moment she may be popular than the other choices but she still has a lot of growing up to do before she can be considered a country legend.
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Post by like2throw on Dec 7, 2010 16:59:37 GMT -5
I dont get it...from a pure musical standpoint, carrie underwood miranda and taylor all play similar styles of music, what is with the "shes pop no shes country" they are ALL similar musically. WTF does one have more fiddles and banjos in the background or something, seriously. I don't know how anyone could say Taylor's and Miranda's music are similar. ??? you're gonna fault taylor for writing catchy songs? They are not going to sound the same, but its still the same format....obviously its not going to sound the same or have the same themes, but they are both still country. I mean Pearl Jam doesnt sound like Nirvana but they are both alternative rock; and Christina doesnt sound like Britney but they are both pop. One band might have more pop attributes but that doesnt automatically make them pop. Peaople just want to hate on taylor because shes the 20 year old blonde that sings about "fairytales" and "high school drama", just admit it. I mean I can just say that atleast she takes sole credit over her songs while Carrie needs like 4 songwriters for every song but you dont see me do that. And the same goes for Miranda Lambert. Its like the pot calling the kettle black. Im not even a fan of either of these artists but the shade is just freaking ridiculous .
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Post by kt1990 on Dec 7, 2010 17:34:46 GMT -5
I don't know how anyone could say Taylor's and Miranda's music are similar. ??? you're gonna fault taylor for writing catchy songs? They are not going to sound the same, but its still the same format....obviously its not going to sound the same or have the same themes, but they are both still country. I mean Pearl Jam doesnt sound like Nirvana but they are both alternative rock; and Christina doesnt sound like Britney but they are both pop. One band might have more pop attributes but that doesnt automatically make them pop. Peaople just want to hate on taylor because shes the 20 year old blonde that sings about "fairytales" and "high school drama", just admit it. I mean I can just say that atleast she takes sole credit over her songs while Carrie needs like 4 songwriters for every song but you dont see me do that. And the same goes for Miranda Lambert. Its like the pot calling the kettle black. Im not even a fan of either of these artists but the shade is just freaking ridiculous . - Where did anyone criticize Taylor for writing catchy pop songs? All that was said was that Miranda and Taylor are different. They shouldn't be compared. Lyrically, musically, stylistically...they're very different.
- No they're not both Country, only Miranda is. Taylor, for reasons beyond my understanding, happened to get signed to a Nashville label, which means she's marketed as a 'Country' singer. She also wins Country awards. Some people like to think that makes her a Country artist. But, does that make her actual music 'Country'? No. I mean, did you was even listened to her new album? ???
- We've been threw this before; single songwriting credits does not necessarily equate to good songwriting. Please don't try to diminish Carrie or Miranda's songwriting talents. Between the two artists, they've shown more variety and maturity than Taylor could dream of. And btw, fyi, Miranda Lambert has written plenty of songs by herself.
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Post by malwaredie on Dec 7, 2010 18:11:40 GMT -5
Shania is advertised as a pop star around the world, so no, she didn't bring country music to the world.
Taylor delivers everything with her pop stylings with a couple of country instruments doesn't make her a country artist.
And Reba being a labelmate of Taylor's means that she has to praise her as she is the big money maker for Big Machine. I am not saying that she doesn't admire her writing, I just doubt that she would want to steal a song for herself.
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Post by captainreba on Dec 7, 2010 19:01:32 GMT -5
Shania is advertised as a pop star around the world, so no, she didn't bring country music to the world. Taylor delivers everything with her pop stylings with a couple of country instruments doesn't make her a country artist. And Reba being a labelmate of Taylor's means that she has to praise her as she is the big money maker for Big Machine. I am not saying that she doesn't admire her writing, I just doubt that she would want to steal a song for herself. When reba said that, it was obviously a joke, but maybe reba was impressed by the songs innocent and grow up, those would suit reba well since theyre both storytelling songs. And i get what youre saying about shania. But shania was considered a country artist internationally even though she remixed some of them to sound pop.
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Post by .indulgecountry on Dec 7, 2010 21:46:10 GMT -5
Carrie Underwood & Miranda Lambert definitely, they're a given.
For the less obvious, I'd say Kellie Pickler. She's insanely talented, has a great personality, and she just gives off this vibe that she'll eventually click with country radio... hopefully with the new album she's recording, which she's got me hyped about... and really take off someday. I'd really like to see that happen.
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Post by desertfloods on Dec 7, 2010 23:28:04 GMT -5
I don't know how anyone could say Taylor's and Miranda's music are similar. ??? you're gonna fault taylor for writing catchy songs? They are not going to sound the same, but its still the same format....obviously its not going to sound the same or have the same themes, but they are both still country. I mean Pearl Jam doesnt sound like Nirvana but they are both alternative rock; and Christina doesnt sound like Britney but they are both pop. One band might have more pop attributes but that doesnt automatically make them pop. Peaople just want to hate on taylor because shes the 20 year old blonde that sings about "fairytales" and "high school drama", just admit it. I mean I can just say that atleast she takes sole credit over her songs while Carrie needs like 4 songwriters for every song but you dont see me do that. And the same goes for Miranda Lambert. Its like the pot calling the kettle black. Im not even a fan of either of these artists but the shade is just freaking ridiculous . Umm. Calm down. Believe it or not, not everyone who says Taylor is pop-leaning are haters. I actually like some of Taylor's songs (Last Kiss, Never Grow up, Enchanted, White Horse etc). Personally, I think Taylor's debut album and Fearless were country-pop, but Speak Now is basically Pop album with a couple of country songs. I don't think I'm the only one since I've seen some of her own fans say that about SN as well. But that doesn't mean I think it's a bad album. We've been threw this before; single songwriting credits does not necessarily equate to good songwriting. Please don't try to diminish Carrie or Miranda's songwriting talents. Exactly.
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Post by like2throw on Dec 8, 2010 0:08:37 GMT -5
So basically, what you guys are saying is this....
She cannot be a "country" legend because her songs are catchy, she won AOTY the first solo "country" artist to do so, will sell out nfl stadiums on her new tour (the first female artist to do so) when not even f**king Madonna could do, and sold a million copies of her album in her first week. All because her songs are "catchier" and more "pop" than Miranda Lamberts songs....
you guys are also acting like Miranda, Carrie and even Reba are musical geniuses compared to Taylor.....they aren't.
Didnt Miranda come from that Country music talent show back in the day; didnt Carrie come from American Idol? They arent as authentic as you guys think, especially compared to Taylor Swift.
I have no idea why Im even defending taylor swift since i dont even like her music but I have to give her credit when credit is due.....guess the saying that the more successful an artist is, the more haters he/she gets is actually truthful to a certain degree.
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Post by malwaredie on Dec 8, 2010 0:32:47 GMT -5
So basically, what you guys are saying is this.... She cannot be a "country" legend because her songs are catchy, she won AOTY the first solo "country" artist to do so, will sell out nfl stadiums on her new tour (the first female artist to do so) when not even f**king Madonna could do, and sold a million copies of her album in her first week. All because her songs are "catchier" and more "pop" than Miranda Lamberts songs.... you guys are also acting like Miranda, Carrie and even Reba are musical geniuses compared to Taylor.....they aren't. Didnt Miranda come from that Country music talent show back in the day; didnt Carrie come from American Idol? They arent as authentic as you guys think, especially compared to Taylor Swift. And you just successfully displayed that you have no reading comprehension ability at all. Lying in an attempt to hide your stanning won't work.
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Post by like2throw on Dec 8, 2010 1:21:33 GMT -5
So basically, what you guys are saying is this.... She cannot be a "country" legend because her songs are catchy, she won AOTY the first solo "country" artist to do so, will sell out nfl stadiums on her new tour (the first female artist to do so) when not even f**king Madonna could do, and sold a million copies of her album in her first week. All because her songs are "catchier" and more "pop" than Miranda Lamberts songs.... you guys are also acting like Miranda, Carrie and even Reba are musical geniuses compared to Taylor.....they aren't. Didnt Miranda come from that Country music talent show back in the day; didnt Carrie come from American Idol? They arent as authentic as you guys think, especially compared to Taylor Swift. And you just successfully displayed that you have no reading comprehension ability at all. Lying in an attempt to hide your stanning won't work. Stating what I said makes me a stan? I like defending her on this site because she gets unfairly bashed, and I dont think its very fair that she gets all the negativity. Like I said before Im not a big fan of her music but from a business standpoint she is pretty much a godsend. And sorry for not agreeing with you and hating on Taylor Swift, guess that means I have no reading comprehension. I understood everything that was said. Care to explain as to why Stating what I said "displayed that I have no reading comprehension". I argued my points, guess you can't without saying that. ... u mad because I threw Reba in there?
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Post by desertfloods on Dec 8, 2010 1:59:22 GMT -5
So basically, what you guys are saying is this.... She cannot be a "country" legend because her songs are catchy, she won AOTY the first solo "country" artist to do so, will sell out nfl stadiums on her new tour (the first female artist to do so) when not even f**king Madonna could do, and sold a million copies of her album in her first week. All because her songs are "catchier" and more "pop" than Miranda Lamberts songs.... you guys are also acting like Miranda, Carrie and even Reba are musical geniuses compared to Taylor.....they aren't. Sometimes awards are not the only measure of how respected an artist is. It will be silly if I claim that Carrie is a legend just because she's the first female to win back-to-back Entertainer of the Year awards. Reba doesn't have a lot of Grammy wins, but just go to any Country music fan and ask if she's well-respected in the genre. No one is acting like the other ladies are musical geniuses. I think you're the one acting like it's wrong if some people prefer the other ladies. I agree with what KellyBean mentioned above, Taylor's path is more of pop culture icon if she continues to maintain this level of success. And like2throw, I agree with you that from business standpoint, Taylor is pretty much godsent, but I believe the discussion on this thread doesn't only concentrate on business point of view. Musically, not everyone agrees that Taylor's music will stand the test of time despite selling truckloads.
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Post by like2throw on Dec 8, 2010 2:00:52 GMT -5
So basically, what you guys are saying is this.... She cannot be a "country" legend because her songs are catchy, she won AOTY the first solo "country" artist to do so, will sell out nfl stadiums on her new tour (the first female artist to do so) when not even f**king Madonna could do, and sold a million copies of her album in her first week. All because her songs are "catchier" and more "pop" than Miranda Lamberts songs.... you guys are also acting like Miranda, Carrie and even Reba are musical geniuses compared to Taylor.....they aren't. Sometimes awards are not the only measure of how respected an artist is. It will be silly if I claim that Carrie is a legend just because she's the first female to win back-to-back Entertainer of the Year awards. Reba doesn't have a lot of Grammy wins, but just go to any Country music fan and ask if she's well-respected in the genre. No one is acting like the other ladies are musical geniuses. I think you're the one acting like it's wrong if some people prefer the other ladies. I agree with what KellyBean mentioned above, Taylor's path is more of pop culture icon if she continues to maintain this level of success. And like2throw, I agree with you that from business standpoint, Taylor is pretty much godsent, but I believe the discussion on this thread doesn't only concentrate on business point of view. Musically, not everyone is going to love Taylor. Thankyou for formulating a good argument unlike another poster. I agree, hopefully all three will become legends of country music and from the looks of it I think they will be, they are all pretty much the three pillars of female country right now.
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