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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2012 20:16:01 GMT -5
Cissy has spoken out on television for the first time. She did an exclusive interview with My9. It's kind of cool she did her first interview with a local channel instead of going for a bigger interview. She's very humble.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2012 17:12:12 GMT -5
The full death report is out. I posted a link in the death announcement thread if people are interested to read it for themselves. She was in worse health than I thought.
She wore defibrillator patches, so it appears that her heart issues were known to those close to her.
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Post by Bojangles on Apr 4, 2012 19:23:18 GMT -5
That report had way too much detail for me. I can't.
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Post by Bojangles on Apr 4, 2012 20:50:38 GMT -5
She wore defibrillator patches, so it appears that her heart issues were known to those close to her. Like I wrote in the other thread, those were used by the paramedics when they tried to revive her. She didn't walk around wearing them. The report really doesn't even say why she drowned. It doesn't say anything about a heart attack, about her heart failing, just she had heart disease with the right arteries being 60% clogged, the left arteries weren't. But it doesn't say she had a heart attack which caused her to collapse. So why did she drown? Why was her bath water so hot?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2012 20:58:10 GMT -5
LOL. Good point about the defibrillator patches. Her bathwater was actually in the normal range for bathwater. When people take a bath, the water is usually somewhere around 100 degrees F. I think the issue is that the cause of death can be ruled as a drowning because of the water in her lungs, but there's really no way to determine for sure why she drowned. They can just look at her pre-existing health issues and make an assumption that something happened with her heart that made her go unconscious, but there's really no way to know that beyond a shadow of a doubt.
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Post by Bojangles on Apr 4, 2012 21:41:46 GMT -5
So we're just supposed to accept that Whitney drowned without knowing the true reason why?
It doesn't state a heart attack, it doesn't state a seizure, it doesn't state aneurysm, there was NO alcohol in her system, and it's been reported the amount of cocaine and prescription drugs wasn't enough to overdose. So what happened?!! Whyyyy????
They really had to use a sexual assault kit on her? ugh!
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Post by Active Aggressive on Apr 5, 2012 9:21:50 GMT -5
Reading that autopsy definitely gave me closure. What's crazy though is that I am in White Plains, NY right now for work (I will be be back over the next few weeks as well) and, according to the report, Whitney's address was in White Plains. I had no idea!
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Post by Cory | Alan on Apr 5, 2012 10:19:05 GMT -5
there was alcohol in her system - and there was a bottle of champagne in the room. The toxicology report states that there was a chemical in her blood that is a byproduct of cocaine and alcohol metabolizing in the blood stream (which I had no idea occured)
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Post by Bojangles on Apr 5, 2012 11:14:14 GMT -5
If there was alcohol in her system then why does it say "NEGATIVE" next to alcohol in the report?
There was champagne in her room, but we don't know who drank it. We don't know if it was from 2 or 3 nights earlier and she just left it sitting there. We don't know. How long does it take for alchol to leave the system?
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Post by Bojangles on Apr 5, 2012 11:17:19 GMT -5
The autopsy report didn't give me any closure, as I still don't know what caused her to drown. Nothing is specific in there.
But maybe now we know why Whitney's belly looked round and bloated, she had fibroids on her uterus. That's really the only answer I got to one of my questions.
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Post by Bojangles on Apr 5, 2012 13:34:42 GMT -5
Her bathwater was actually in the normal range for bathwater. When people take a bath, the water is usually somewhere around 100 degrees F. jazzy, the bath water was still pretty hot hours after she ran the water. Normally it'd be cold 5 hours later, but it was still 93 degrees. wtf?????
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Post by adwem on Apr 5, 2012 13:51:15 GMT -5
There will always be questions as to what happened from the time she started the bath to when she collapsed and died. God has one amazing angel singing for him now as she is missed down here on earth.
With the Coroner's report stating they she had small scald burns on her face, it almost seems like she turned on the hot water and somehow collapsed while turning on the cold water which may explain why she was face down in the water. I wish the answers of what exactly happened was clearer to give closure to so many people that loved her.
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Post by Bojangles on Apr 6, 2012 14:15:28 GMT -5
Whitney Houston autopsy: Singer's body had trauma from fall into bathtub, was suffering from emphysema
The singer likely suffered a cocaine-induced 'cardiac event,' says coroner
Whitney Houston likely suffered a cocaine-induced 'cardiac event' that led to her unconscious state, said a coroner official.
Whitney Houston was standing outside her hotel bathtub when something caused her to crash facedown into the scalding water, a famed forensic pathologist concluded Thursday.
The blazing bath was too hot for soaking, and injuries on Houston's forehead, chest and upper lip suggest trauma from a fall, former Pittsburgh coroner Dr. Cyril Wecht told the Daily News.
“Put everything together, and you have somebody who had to be unconscious falling into the water,” Wecht said. “She falls in and strikes those places and then presses against them as her body is down.”
Houston's final autopsy report, released Wednesday, revealed the 13-inches of tub water measured 93.5 degrees several hours after the superstar singer died on Feb. 11
“The water was a heck of a lot hotter when she fell in. It would have been painful, and she wasn’t able to get out or cry for help,” Wecht said.
Houston’s official cause of death was accidental drowning due to the “effects” of heart disease and cocaine use, the report confirmed.
A coroner official earlier said Houston likely suffered a cocaine-induced “cardiac event” that led to her unconscious state.
The six-time Grammy winner also had marijuana, the anti-anxiety drug Xanax, the muscle relaxant Flexeril and the over-the-counter antihistamine Benadryl in her bloodstream, but the report called them inconsequential.
Wecht, now a private consultant who conducted second autopsies on Laci Peterson and Anna Nicole Smith’s son, discounted the marijuana but not the other three.
“You put those together, and you’ve got three drugs acting in concert. They could produce a degree of mental obtundation,” he said, referring to a semi-conscious state.
He agreed the death was accidental but doubted Houston had a full-blown heart attack.
“The cocaine is not to be ignored. And a heart spasm isn’t something you can see at autopsy because it relaxes after death. But she was a veteran cocaine user. And it was not a huge amount,” he said.
Houston had a small bruise on her forehead and a tiny cut on her upper lip described as injuries “inflicted” shortly before she died, the report said.
She also had “yellow-brown marks” on her clavicle, her left upper chest and her left breast from trauma at or near her time of the death, officials said.
The final 42-page grabbed immediate headlines with its descriptions of white residue found in Houston’s hotel bathroom.
It detailed “a small spoon with a white crystal like substance in it and a rolled up piece of white paper" on the counter along with a “ripped open small plastic bag."
Remnants of a "white powdery substance and a portable mirror” were recovered from a bathroom drawer, it said.
More of the white powder was found on the mirror’s base, and investigators recovered a "plethora" of prescription drug bottles, the report said.
The report noted an open bottle of champagne, a beer bottle, a can of beer and an ashtray “filled with multiple cigarette butts.”
The sublimely gifted singer, whose voice sounded ravaged in recent years, showed signs of “mild emphysema,” the report said.
Evidence of “old surgery” included scars related to her breast implants, the report said.
They also detected pulmonary edema and leiomyomas (benign tumors) in her uterus.
Beverly Hills Police did not immediately comment on the long-awaited full autopsy report.
The New Jersey native was on the verge of another comeback attempt with the upcoming movie “Sparkle” when she died hours before her mentor Clive Davis’ annual pre-Grammy party.
Mom Cissy Houston was “devastated” by the final report, TMZ reported, citing an unnamed source.
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Post by Bojangles on Apr 10, 2012 10:26:40 GMT -5
It's really disturbing to me how the media seems to cling onto the fact that Whitney had some cosmedic procedure scars over what's really important - why did she actually drown!
So many articles I've ran across want to focus on the breast implant scars (which Whitney admitted to nearly 10 years ago) and then go on to assume and state it as a fact that the scar on her abdomen is from a tummy tuck (when it's really from a c section), and focus on her teeth and that she was wearing a wig. How is anyyyyy of that of any importance to her sudden death?! Please tell me. All of it is so irrelevent!
The media seriously makes me sick.
I'm so sorry they can't leave you alone Whitney, even in death. I'm so sorry. :(
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Post by Active Aggressive on Apr 10, 2012 10:30:48 GMT -5
What about all the outing of Whitney by members of the gay community and press as well? While I have no doubt in my mind at this point that Whitney was at least bi-sexual and the split from Robyn in 2000 started the downward spiral that culminated in her death, what is the point now? The woman is dead. It's time to let it go, especially when she is not here to speak on the matter and Robyn apparently has too much class to do so.
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Post by Bojangles on Apr 10, 2012 10:36:53 GMT -5
Whitney has stated countless times she's not a lesbian, I don't care if she was bi or a lesbian, who cares?!!! But I don't think her doing drugs was mainly because of Robyn, Whitney had a lot of issues and stress in her life that went well beyond Robyn.
It's time to let a lot go, but the media won't allow it, unfortuanately.
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Post by esoteric76 on Apr 10, 2012 10:47:50 GMT -5
Robyn apparently has too much class to do so. Robyn already commented on Whitney's death in a very classy tribute posting that you can see online if you haven't yet. It wasn't an "outing" or anything, but it lets the reader come to whatever conclusions he or she has. It was a beautiful statement.
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Post by Active Aggressive on Apr 10, 2012 13:36:21 GMT -5
Robyn apparently has too much class to do so. Robyn already commented on Whitney's death in a very classy tribute posting that you can see online if you haven't yet. It wasn't an "outing" or anything, but it lets the reader come to whatever conclusions he or she has. It was a beautiful statement. Oh, I read that tribute and it said so much without saying anything, which again, shows that Robyn has class and integrity. I remember being impressed with how warm and loving it was. I grew up in the same sort of church that Whitney did and there is a lot of pressure that comes with that sort of upbringing. Because Whitney had such strong faith herself, I'm sure she put a lot of that pressure on herself, never mind having Cissy shadowing her early on in career. I can't begin to imagine how intense it must have been to feel so restricted. I've said it before and I will say it again. It's a terrible tragedy that it had to come to this but I do believe that, if nothing else, Whitney is finally at peace and her demons and conflicts are finally at bay. As final as it is, sometimes it takes death to bring that peace, if the person is constantly struggling to find it but never can in this life.
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Post by stunnedout on Apr 11, 2012 9:21:25 GMT -5
Where can I read Robyn's statement?
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Post by Active Aggressive on Apr 11, 2012 9:52:49 GMT -5
Not sure; I would try Google. It's still out there, I would imagine.
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Post by Bojangles on Apr 12, 2012 10:30:07 GMT -5
Pic from the set of Sparkle
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Post by Bojangles on Apr 12, 2012 10:33:02 GMT -5
Where can I read Robyn's statement? Whitney Elizabeth Houston, 1963-2012 A look back at the star from one of her closest friends By Robyn Crawford I met her when she was 16. It was at a summer job. I was working at a community center in East Orange, New Jersey, and she was working just like the rest of us. She was there to work. She introduced herself as "Whitney Elizabeth Houston," and I knew right away she was special. Not a lot of people introduced themselves with their middle names back then. She had peachy colored skin and she didn't look like anyone I'd ever met in East Orange, New Jersey. She was nothing like the Whitney Houston she became but at the same time she was already there. She knew, and so did everyone around her. She was doing shows in Manhattan with her mother, and she'd change her clothes in the car and get on stage and do her thing. She hadn't signed her contract yet. But she was modeling for Wilhelmina because she was discovered on the street. She was walking in front of Carnegie Hall and someone walked up to her and said, "There's a modeling agency upstairs that's looking for someone just like you." She walked upstairs and they signed her. That's what it was like, that's what she gave off. She looked like an angel. When my mother first met her, she laughed and said, "You look like an angel, but I know you're not." And she wasn't. But she looked like one. She chose the life she lived, and she chose it from the beginning. She knew the life better than anyone. Her mother was Cissy Houston, and she had been on the road with Dionne Warwick. She got her chops singing in church, and her mother said to her, "You know, you can always sing for free. You can always sing in church. You don't have to choose the professional life." But she chose because she'd been chosen. Some people sing just because. She was never like that. She had to put on her gear. She knew it was going to be a job and that's how she treated it. Once she committed to something, she finished it. Not long after I met her, she said, "Stick with me, and I'll take you around the world." She always knew where she was headed. And we went around the world. I was her assistant and then her executive assistant and then her creative director. I was her point person for the day-to-day. I traveled all around the world first-class and anyone who ever worked for her will tell you her checks never bounced. You knew she was going to take care of you. She wasn't going to be in a five-star hotel while you were in a two. I flew the Concorde the way some people ride the bus. She shared the fruits, and she changed a lot of lives. The record company, the band members, her family, her friends, me — she fed everybody. Deep down inside that's what made her tired. It was never easy. She never left anything undone. But it was hard. The Bodyguard was great when it was done, but it was a lot of work. She did the movie, she did the music, she did everything — and when she was done, she was done. She nailed it. The music supervisor brought her Linda Ronstadt's version of "I Will Always Love You" way before Kevin Costner brought Dolly Parton's version — and she always knew what she could do with it. So when Kevin came in and played it for her and told her he wanted her to sing it for the movie, she said, "Fine." She wasn't much for showing off what she had, except when she had to. I always compare her performance of that song with a great athlete hitting his peak — with Michael Jordan in the playoffs. It was the absolute pinnacle of what she could do, of what anyone could do — and then she had to keep on doing it. Everybody wanted to hear her sing that song, and so she sang it. It didn't matter whether she had a cold, or wasn't in good voice; she had to deliver it, and she had it arranged so she could deliver every last note. And even if the note wasn't there, the feeling was. A lot of her songs were like that. They were a lot to deliver, but she delivered them every note, every time. It's so strange that she died when she did. February was her month. Her first album was released on Valentine's Day, right around the time of the Grammys, right around the time of Clive Davis's party. It was an orchestrated thing. She was Clive's girl, his great discovery. And she died right before Valentine's Day, right before the Grammys, right before Clive's party. Of course, she was going. I don't know if she was singing, I don't know what kind of pressure she was putting on herself. But she was going, that's for damned sure. People thought they had to protect her. She hated that. And that's what people don't understand: She was always the one doing the driving. Someone just called and told me that the family kept Whitney from seeing her. Nobody kept Whitney from doing anything. She did what she wanted to do. When people left her or were told to leave, they could never believe that Whitney would never call them — but she never did. She was working hard to keep herself together, and I think she felt that if she admitted any feeling of sadness or weakness she would crumble. One time, back when we were young, we were out, we were partying, and I said, "Listen, I have to go. I'm tired. I can't make it." And she looked at me with her eyes wide and said, "I've got to make it." And that was Whitney. She could not pick up the phone, and that meant it was too painful. I have never spoken about her until now. And she knew I wouldn't. She was a loyal friend, and she knew I was never going to be disloyal to her. I was never going to betray her. Now I can't believe that I'm never going to hug her or hear her laughter again. I loved her laughter, and that's what I miss most, that's what I miss already. I'm trying not to think of the end. I'm trying not to listen to all the reports. All these people talking about drugs — well, a lot of people take drugs, and they're still around. Whitney isn't, because you never know the way the wind blows. I just hope that she wasn't in pain and that she hadn't lost hope. She gave so much to so many people; I hope that she felt loved in return. She was the action, for such a long time. She's out of the action now. I hope she can finally rest.
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Post by Bojangles on Apr 12, 2012 11:06:43 GMT -5
Whitney and Robyn She was Whitney's maid of honor, standing behind Bobby
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Post by Me. I Am l!nk!nfan815... on Apr 12, 2012 11:09:45 GMT -5
I like what she wrote, it felt sincere.
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Post by Active Aggressive on Apr 12, 2012 12:15:28 GMT -5
Robyn is a beautiful woman - inside and out. Whitney was fortunate to have someone that loyal, loving and trustworthy in her life for as long as she did.
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Post by Bojangles on Apr 12, 2012 12:18:41 GMT -5
Kevin Costner said he wrote Whitney letters to try and reach out to her....
Kevin Costner Talks Whitney Houston on 'Anderson'
After Costner spoke at Whitney Houston's funeral, it's no surprise Anderson brought up the topic of her battle with drugs. When asked about his former co-star in the clip above, Costner revealed that if she was battling drugs back when they shot "The Bodyguard," he didn't know about it. He did, however, reach out to Houston when her problems became public, later on.
"There were some people that really loved Whitney and a couple times during the last seven/eight years [they] asked me would I write her a letter," he said. "Again, it's so odd. I mean, listen, I come exactly from where you come from. I know I have this level of celebrity and fame – international, national, whatever you want to refer to it – but it's pretty surreal thing to think, sometimes, that you're in the middle of another famous person's life, and you think to yourself, 'How the hell did I get famous?' What is this, some weird club that we're in? So when someone said, 'Would you write someone a letter who you know is having trouble,' I did. There were two occasions. I elected to let Whitney have her life after 'The Bodyguard' and she would always be close to me. She would always be someone I appreciated. I saw pretty much what everyone else saw. But when someone asked me to write a letter I did. I don't know if those letters were ever read."
Costner again touched on the price of fame while discussing Bobbi Kristina. "Sometimes we want to envy people," Costner said. "I think that you should be happy with your anonymity. It doesn't lessen you as a person and it may seem like, 'Oh easy, for you to say.' I'm telling you, money doesn't buy your way out of problems and it doesn't buy you happiness. It has afforded me the opportunity to travel the world to be treated in a way that everyone should be treated."
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Post by Bojangles on Apr 12, 2012 12:42:35 GMT -5
The Bodyguard soundtrack officially scanned over 12 million this week.
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Post by Bojangles on Apr 12, 2012 12:49:25 GMT -5
Robyn is a beautiful woman - inside and out. Whitney was fortunate to have someone that loyal, loving and trustworthy in her life for as long as she did. I agree. I don't know what exactly caused their friendship to not be the same anymore, probably a number of things, mainly the drugs and Bobby. I remember when Whitney and Bobby were on 106th & Park in 2000 to promote her new girl group called Sunday, and to promote her Greatest Hits. Robyn was in the audience and Whitney pointed out that Robyn was there and she was Sunday's manager, and Bobby's dumbass said "YEAH, UGLY!!!" when Whitney pointed her out. I felt so embarrassed for her, Whitney just looked at him and quickly changed the subject since they were on national TV.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2012 13:20:13 GMT -5
I've read rumors about Bobby's jealousy toward Robyn, but I try not to get involved in the "Whitney was bisexual/lesbian" rumors. Never cared either way.
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Post by esoteric76 on Apr 12, 2012 14:36:53 GMT -5
I've read rumors about Bobby's jealousy toward Robyn, it was all covered in the tabloids for years, pre-Perez Hilton years. Thanks for re-posting the Robyn letter. I just read it again and teared up. That's the Whitney I want to remember.
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