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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2011 16:49:07 GMT -5
The vast majority of Mariah's sales from the last six years comes from 2005, though. Clearly at this point in time Rihanna has far more commercial potential than Mariah does. Oh I definitely agree with that. I'm just saying from a profit point of view, they can't really say that Rihanna is more important/profitable. Even looking at 2008-2011 (mimi has 3 albums, Rihanna just 2, I think), their album sales are almost equal. Except they can. Rihanna's latest album has outsold Mariah's last 3. She's also a huge international star at this point, something Mariah really isn't anymore.
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Post by Musiq on Jul 17, 2011 0:46:40 GMT -5
Mariah is a worldclass international megastar. Her last album was a holiday album so that isn't really a factor. If were looking at Rihanna's last two albums, one just went platinum, and this one is almost at 1.5 million in the states. Mariah's last two were gold, and the previous one had almost sold about 1.5 million. Rihanna had one great selling album, which happened to be her best selling one. A Christmas album is not a regular Lp. It's only out for a certain span of time. People love to flip things. On a worldwide level Rihanna has been huge, Mariah has the selling power but she needs the proper hit singles to be released there.
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Post by Musiq on Jul 17, 2011 0:49:58 GMT -5
When Mariah releases new music she will be the top priority thats just all to it. With hit songs and singles, she can sell way more units than Rihanna. Rihanna is not a very strong album seller.
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Post by NeRD on Jul 17, 2011 18:04:50 GMT -5
When Mariah releases new music she will be the top priority thats just all to it. With hit songs and singles, she can sell way more units than Rihanna. Rihanna is not a very strong album seller. Have you looked at her worldwide stats lately?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2011 18:33:58 GMT -5
When Mariah releases new music she will be the top priority thats just all to it. With hit songs and singles, she can sell way more units than Rihanna. Rihanna is not a very strong album seller. Have you looked at her worldwide stats lately? Obviously not. In the US alone, Loud has sold 2.5x as much as Memoirs. Rihanna is also a much stronger international seller than Mariah in recent years. Loud is 5x Platinum in the UK. Mariah's only album to reach 5x Platinum was Music Box. Memoirs didn't even go Gold there. Also when you get into single sales, Rihanna is outselling Mariah ten-fold in recent years. No one is "twisting" anything. The numbers are there. Rihanna is much more relevant in 2011 and likely to have greater success than Mariah with new material. Arguments to the contrary are downright delusional.
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Post by will on Jul 17, 2011 19:18:40 GMT -5
Rihanna is more relevant now. Does it matter? GTFO Comparing rihanna with a legend. Mariah is heading to Epic Records. There mariah will be the top priority.
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Post by Musiq on Jul 18, 2011 5:18:13 GMT -5
Rihanna's current album has only sold nearly 1.5 million with all of those hit singles, that is nothing to write home about. Rihanna is big in the UK but she in no way shape or form compares to Mariah period. I've seen the ww stats, but i was talking about sales in the states, and with her last two studio albums vs Mariahs, it isn't much of a difference, not Mariah's Christmas album, because that is a holiday album which went gold in a matter of wks. Quite impressive. Anyway, Rihanna is more or less a singles artist, so of course she does well there. I'm sure if Mariah gets the radio airplay that she deserves her singles to will do great things. Memoirs didn't have many big radio hits. Rihanna sorta has a rebound album out now. (Memoirs) Vs (Rated R) is more duable, and it didn't fair that much better. So people need to stop trying to manipulate things.
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Post by Musiq on Jul 18, 2011 5:21:48 GMT -5
Why do all of these people keep coming in here with their complaints about Mariah anyway get over it.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2011 5:30:47 GMT -5
Rihanna's current album has only sold nearly 1.5 million with all of those hit singles. I'm sure if Mariah gets the radio airplay that she deserves her singles to will do great things. Ummm obviously but Mariah hasn't had a string of hits like Rihanna in years. That's the point.
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Post by Musiq on Jul 18, 2011 14:35:03 GMT -5
Rihanna's current album has only sold nearly 1.5 million with all of those hit singles. I'm sure if Mariah gets the radio airplay that she deserves her singles to will do great things. Ummm obviously but Mariah hasn't had a string of hits like Rihanna in years. That's the point. But she has had hits. So thats not the point. When Mariah has a monster album her singles and album sales are great, or her singles atleast performs well on the charts. Rihanna's album sales for the most part are just underwhelming.
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Post by Bojangles on Jul 18, 2011 15:45:03 GMT -5
Ummm obviously but Mariah hasn't had a string of hits like Rihanna in years. That's the point. But she has had hits. So thats not the point. When Mariah has a monster album her singles and album sales are great, or her singles atleast performs well on the charts. Rihanna's album sales for the most part are just underwhelming. to be fair, sales overall now are underwhelming compared to even 4 years ago.
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Post by Musiq on Jul 18, 2011 17:08:50 GMT -5
But she has had hits. So thats not the point. When Mariah has a monster album her singles and album sales are great, or her singles atleast performs well on the charts. Rihanna's album sales for the most part are just underwhelming. to be fair, sales overall now are underwhelming compared to even 4 years ago. Even still Rihanna's sales minus one album have been underwhelming no excuses, she has the major hits.
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Post by worldwide on Jul 18, 2011 17:43:49 GMT -5
But she has had hits. So thats not the point. When Mariah has a monster album her singles and album sales are great, or her singles atleast performs well on the charts. Rihanna's album sales for the most part are just underwhelming. to be fair, sales overall now are underwhelming compared to even 4 years ago. they are not that underwhelming. TEOM scored three big hits in usa and sold 6m, rihanna has had 3 nig hits so far and has sold 1.5m, i think. It's like selling max 2.5m in 2005. also, TEOM was #1 album of the year, loud not so much.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2011 17:45:49 GMT -5
The Emancipation of Mimi was released over 6 years ago already. It makes no sense to use that as a measure of Mariah's current popularity. She's released 3 albums since then. Why not refer to one of those instead? Oh yeah, because they didn't do nearly as well....
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Post by Fat Ass Kelly Price on Jul 18, 2011 17:48:17 GMT -5
Although jazzy has a point, including the Christmas album in this comparison is stupid.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2011 17:49:49 GMT -5
Although jazzy has a point, including the Christmas album in this comparison is stupid. Then Memoirs should be used as a measure of Mariah's recent popularity. No one wants to though because it only sold 500k. People want to refer to her album that sold 5M but that was several years ago already.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2011 18:55:12 GMT -5
Although jazzy has a point, including the Christmas album in this comparison is stupid. Then Memoirs should be used as a measure of Mariah's recent popularity. No one wants to though because it only sold 500k. People want to refer to her album that sold 5M but that was several years ago already. 500k MOAIA#7 Obsessed #60 IWKWLI 1,400k Loud#1 Only Girl #1 What's My Name? #1 S&M #47 CKB #59 Man Down
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2011 19:09:59 GMT -5
I don't know why the number of hits are used against Rihanna. It's not Rihanna's problem that she had 3 monster hits from her album and Mariah had one moderate hit. Obviously Mariah could have sold more if she had more hits, but she didn't. Rihanna sold almost 3x as much as Mariah's album, and she's still selling. People are acting like the two albums sold nearly the same. Plus sales are down from 2009. Rihanna's 3 #1s from her album each sold a few million. Single sales for "Obsessed" didn't come close to any of them. If you get into their international sales, Rihanna has been far outperforming Mariah.
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Post by grouper6 on Jul 18, 2011 19:20:28 GMT -5
Jazzy I get your point and agree with you re Mariah 's popularity. Success on the charts is not guranteed for her especially as each sucessive album by her has had declining sales.
Having said that, yes, Rihanna has for her last 2 albums outsold Mariah domestically and internationally where Mariah really doesn't have a presence any more. However, I would be remiss in saying for how popular Rihanna is and how sucessful her singles have been, she really should have sold over 2mil in the US by now declining sales notwithstanding.
It is not a gurantee by a long shot that Mariah can get a platinum cd. Chances are good for gold but even that isn't guranteed without a decent hit and lots of promo to push the cd and discount pricing.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2011 19:29:00 GMT -5
We need to consider the fact that Adele's album is basically the only one selling more than 2 million copies now. But that really doesn't change the fact that Rihanna is still having significantly more success than Mariah in recent years. That was the original point, which people may have lost sight of at this point. If people were asked if Mariah and Rihanna both released albums in 2012, which one would be more successful, they would assume Rihanna given how the two have performed with their past couple of albums.
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Post by Fat Ass Kelly Price on Jul 18, 2011 20:07:22 GMT -5
I have no doubt that Mariah would sell AT LEAST equally to Rihanna with the right single choices. The last two albums have been 'Hit lead single + flop followup = underwhelming sales'.
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Post by Musiq on Jul 19, 2011 0:42:15 GMT -5
Then Memoirs should be used as a measure of Mariah's recent popularity. No one wants to though because it only sold 500k. People want to refer to her album that sold 5M but that was several years ago already. 500k MOAIA#7 Obsessed #60 IWKWLI 1,400k Loud#1 Only Girl #1 What's My Name? #1 S&M #47 CKB #59 Man Down It should be (Memoirs) & (Rated R). This is sorta like i said Rihanna's commercial comeback. Even though (Rated R) still went platinum.
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Post by Musiq on Jul 19, 2011 0:46:38 GMT -5
If Mariah were to have a smash single, and everything aligned in her direction, i think she could outsell Rihanna. A platinum album for Mariah is not out of the question. Rihanna's album sales are meager. Your acting as though Rihanna's sales are enormous, average at best. She has these sales with the addition of hit singles. All Mariah needs are hit singles, which i believe she'll get.
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Post by Musiq on Jul 19, 2011 0:49:39 GMT -5
Also, why do you keep mentioning international sales we weren't speaking about those. Sales now are up one percent now by the way. Rihanna just isn't a spectacular album seller thats just all to it. It took her biggest selling album quite a while just to achieve that feat.
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Post by nighttime on Jul 19, 2011 2:20:11 GMT -5
In the last 2 Years
mariah: 1 million rihanna: 8 million +
really, why is this conversation even going on? since debuting mid 2005 Rihanna has sold more albums than anyone and Mariah wouldn't even make the top 20 in that time period. do we have to even mention singles?
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Post by Musiq on Jul 19, 2011 3:08:27 GMT -5
If we are talking about album sales since Rihanna's first album in the states, and sales in the states only Mariah>>> Rihanna... As far as their last two regular studio Lp's in the states Rihanna hasn't sold that much more. Moving along singles have grown in mass proportions. Rihanna is a singles artist so thats fitting. Lol at people trying to add worldwide sales when i clearly stated that i was talking about sales in the states.
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Post by leoapp on Jul 19, 2011 4:17:53 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2011 4:44:40 GMT -5
If Mariah were to have a smash single, and everything aligned in her direction, i think she could outsell Rihanna. She has these sales with the addition of hit singles. All Mariah needs are hit singles, which i believe she'll get. You can't just assume Mariah is going to have a string of hit singles with the album considering how her last couple of albums have gone. You could say Mariah is capable of 3 #1s from this album because she's done it before, but what is the likelihood at this point? Obviously she could sell more if she had more hits, but that's hypothetical and does not make her more relevant than Rihanna at the moment. Also, why do you keep mentioning international sales we weren't speaking about those. Sales now are up one percent now by the way. Rihanna just isn't a spectacular album seller thats just all to it. It took her biggest selling album quite a while just to achieve that feat. You can't just discount all international sales so that Mariah isn't quite as far behind. That's just as stupid as deciding to compare Mariah's most recent album to one of Rihanna's less successful albums just to level the playing field. We are talking about where they both are currently. The original point was that Rihanna is more relevant and thus more profitable in terms of album and singles sales than Mariah at this point. Rihanna's album had sold millions of copies outside of the US. In recent years, Mariah's sales outside the US are very poor. Even in the US, Rihanna is outselling Mariah's latest albums. Also sales are up 1% since 2010. We are comparing an album that sold most of its copies in 2009 to an album still selling in 2011.
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Post by grouper6 on Jul 19, 2011 6:13:50 GMT -5
But why are you guys comparing Rihanna and Mariah. It's clear RIhanna is more popular and is selling more in the US and worldwide but she should be with how radio has openned up to her and the many hit singles that she has had. One could argue that Rihanna's cd sales should be more based on how many hits she's had.
Besides that, Rihanna and Mariah are not comtemporaries. Rihanna, Katy Perry, Gaga, Britney are more contemporaries.
Mariah, Whitney, Celine, Madonna, Janet are more so contemporaries. Mariah will be 42 soon and over 40 ususally is the kiss of death on US radio because of ageism. J-Lo is sort of an exception but notice she has had to have a hot or singles artist on her songs to get play. Same with Madonna and '4 minutes'.
There is no gurantee taht Mariah will have a hit single on radio. She has more chances of having a moderate hit on hot ac or ac. Look at the way her last 4 singles performed.
This is a stupid comparison and if we really want to go there, Mariah's total career sales shats on Rihanna so that should wrap up this argument. Rihanna is almost 23 and Mariah 42, they are not contemporaries and are at different stages in their career.
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Post by Nick on Jul 19, 2011 8:35:13 GMT -5
I want to know why I'm reading Rihanna's name over and over in a Mariah thread. I'd be in her thread if I cared about her.
Why do these comparison's always come up? I wish Mariah would drop a single because this thread is useless at the moment.
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