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Post by phil1996 on Jul 12, 2011 15:42:36 GMT -5
 New Single by Justin Moore - "Bait A Hook" (Mediabase) Source: AllAccess Impact Date: August 1 (Valory) Songwriters: Rhett Akins, Justin Moore, Jeremy Stover |
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Post by Jonsolo on Jul 12, 2011 16:05:22 GMT -5
So we already have songs by the titles of Just Fishin' and Fish on the chart right now. I suppose Bait A Hook could actually be about a different topic entirely, but how many "fish-related" songs can the chart support?
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Post by gcizvolsfan on Jul 12, 2011 21:09:57 GMT -5
^ Wow, this is the worst of the fish songs that was mentioned. I am not a big Justin fan but I did kinda like his recent #1 song until it grew tiresome for me. This song is just plain bad so the channel will be changed really fast when it gets played.
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Post by singingsparrow on Jul 13, 2011 0:55:46 GMT -5
(sigh) Well, at least Valory didn't go with "Guns" or "Sunshine Babies", which are beyond awful. This isn't anything decent, nor anything unspeakably bad. It's just another run-of-the-mill, frothing-at-the-mouth "Screw them city folk, they don't know nothin', what with their fancy cars and baggy pants and what not! We country folk got it goin' on!" anthem. Antagonizing going green? Check. Ethnic food? Check. Living a decidedly more-or-less straight edge disposition? Check. As for praising what it's like being "country"..............hay field romance? Check. Actually loving your mom? Check. Guzzling Jack Daniels? Check. By the end of the final line in the first verse, when Moore sings: "Baby that don't sound like you, that don't sound like love, sounds like it sucks..."..............all it does is confirm the closed-mindedness and fear of everything exotic that doesn't fall under the country list song cliches checklist. It's obvious the protagonist has never tried sushi and is just assuming it "sucks", and simply giving it a try gives him the impression that his love interest who left him for a city man isn't being true to herself. The only impression one can have listening to that verse is that the protagonist is an angry, jealous person, who later harangues: "It won't be that long, 'till you start gettin' bored. I'll be smilin' on the river, realin' in one more..." And regardless if, theoretically, his former love interest were to indeed get bored and return to a rural lifestyle, I doubt she would want to take that jerk back!  But what do I know? When all is said and done, this song is "catchy" and I "shouldn't look too much into it"! Namaste, lisping HIBISCUS |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2011 17:14:05 GMT -5
So we already have songs by the titles of Just Fishin' and Fish on the chart right now. I suppose Bait A Hook could actually be about a different topic entirely, but how many "fish-related" songs can the chart support? Apparently 3 "fish" songs are too many. Justin is really, really struggling...I suspect some of it has to do with Eric Church really catching on, and other quick-movers like Jason Aldean and The Band Perry also getting by... Combine that with the surplus of "fish" songs on country radio right now and Justin really seems to be getting overlooked. Or maybe I'm looking into it too much, and country radio just realized that this song is bad. Newcomers Eden's Edge and Hunter Hayes have resisted and Justin doesn't seem likely to pass either of them soon. Alan Jackson is climbing a bit too slow for my liking, but he's looking better than Justin is. "Bait A Hook" is down nearly 240k in audience after just 3 days so far this week, and its bullet is a meager +28. This looks to be much more of a "How I Got To Be This Way" than a "Backwoods" or especially "If Heaven Wasn't So Far Away"...and maybe it won't even get as high as HIGTBTW did. |
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Post by .indulgecountry on Sept 15, 2011 19:03:02 GMT -5
I would not be disappointed at all for this to fall drastically short of the Top 10, or even the Top 20. He needs to start releasing better music.
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Post by phil1996 on Sept 15, 2011 19:38:30 GMT -5
I'm quite surprised this song is struggling. Coming off a huge hit in "If Heaven Wasn't So Far Away", I figured this was going to be another surefire hit.
If this continues to struggle on the charts, then I can almost guarantee that 'My Kinda Woman' or 'Til' My Last Day' will be next.
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Post by rjz on Sept 15, 2011 20:20:04 GMT -5
I can't believe they released this song and not surprised it is struggling; it is pretty bad, IMO. Although plenty of bad songs climb on name alone while good songs languish at the bottom of the heap. "Heaven" was such a good song. I have not bought the album because of some reviews I've read and if this song is a reflection of the rest, I won't.
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Post by layne on Sept 15, 2011 20:34:21 GMT -5
This song is just no good, plain and simple. I will be disappointed if it climbs much higher.
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Post by singingsparrow on Sept 15, 2011 20:42:56 GMT -5
I'm quite surprised this song is struggling. Coming off a huge hit in "If Heaven Wasn't So Far Away", I figured this was going to be another surefire hit. If this continues to struggle on the charts, then I can almost guarantee that 'My Kinda Woman' or 'Til' My Last Day' will be next. It's a lame, defensive "Screw-That-City-Slicker-This-Country-Boy-Is-The-Real-Deal cookie cutter Country radio song, so I'm not surprised whatsoever. If Moore wants to sinew his name ID on country radio, he needs to release tracks like "Til My Last Day" and the title track (which sadly are the only songs on the album that I can even consider "keepers", even though I like "Flyin' Down A Back Road" well enough). At the very least, let's pray "Guns" and "Sunshine Babies" never see the light of day on radio (although with both the election season and eventually Spring Break 2012 rapidly approaching, I wouldn't hold my breath on that!  ) Namaste, lisping HIBISCUS |
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Post by ryanroberts on Sept 16, 2011 15:01:43 GMT -5
General Point here.. not to hijack this thread :
In some ways i would consider Justin Moore a modern day Chris Ledoux ... Just about every song Ledoux sang was a cowboy song , because well he was a cowboy ! As far as I know, Chris Ledoux never was bashed for it. While some don't believe it , I firmly believe that Moore is the guy he says he is . Sure he shouldn't have every single a country boy whatever , but then again he sings about what he knows. . Taking a look at Bait a Hook you have the country boy take it on it.. How would the "city slicker" bait a hook ( in relation to the song) At the same time what Backroad do you fly down ? As far as the title cut goes Justin could have easily put in the word "Rebels like me" or "Cowboys like me" . The term "Outlaw" is used very loosely. I think many people on this board and many other websites are looking past the point of Justin Moore and country music in general and making it something its not .Keep in mind Simple Rhymes and Lyrics, Three Cords and The Truth, and singing about what you know are really the country foundations.
I'm a Justin Moore fan and I would probably give his most recent record a 3 star out of 5 rating . Only reason it would not be higher is just the fact I'm not as much of a redneck or country boy that Moore and other folks are.
( I do agree that Sunshine babies sucks though ! )
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Post by singingsparrow on Sept 16, 2011 19:07:58 GMT -5
General Point here.. not to hijack this thread : In some ways i would consider Justin Moore a modern day Chris Ledoux ... Just about every song Ledoux sang was a cowboy song , because well he was a cowboy ! As far as I know, Chris Ledoux never was bashed for it. While some don't believe it , I firmly believe that Moore is the guy he says he is . Sure he shouldn't have every single a country boy whatever , but then again he sings about what he knows. . Taking a look at Bait a Hook you have the country boy take it on it.. How would the "city slicker" bait a hook ( in relation to the song) At the same time what Backroad do you fly down ? As far as the title cut goes Justin could have easily put in the word "Rebels like me" or "Cowboys like me" . The term "Outlaw" is used very loosely. I think many people on this board and many other websites are looking past the point of Justin Moore and country music in general and making it something its not .Keep in mind Simple Rhymes and Lyrics, Three Cords and The Truth, and singing about what you know are really the country foundations. I'm a Justin Moore fan and I would probably give his most recent record a 3 star out of 5 rating . Only reason it would not be higher is just the fact I'm not as much of a redneck or country boy that Moore and other folks are. ( I do agree that Sunshine babies sucks though ! ) I respect your opinion here, and your choice of comparative analogy (Chris Ledoux) is a fascinating one............but I believe your second-to-last point elucidates where our metrics on country music evaluation differ. It appears you evaluate Country music from more of a cultural standpoint, whereas I do so from more of a compositional standpoint. To you, how well you can relate or not relate to the material and how well it reflects culture (please correct me if you feel some of what I'm suggesting isn't quite on the mark) is more important than the craft itself and what deeper meanings the material may connote........whereas it comes secondarily in my case, and I primarily review songs based on their lyrical quality (or lack thereof), vocals, production quality (or lack thereof), accessibility and aesthetic appeal. I believe that just because you come from a small town of less than 500 people and wear a cowboy hat does NOT instantly equate a good, nor effective, country singer/songwriter. Justin Moore has demonstrated flashes/moments of artistic promise with "Til My Last day" and "Grandpa", and his previous single was alright, but.............all in all, I defend my staunch criticisms of his first two albums. He may have lived, and continues to live more or less, what can be considered an authentic rural lifestyle and has a potentially wide reservoir of experience to draw from that could ultimately make enjoyable songs..............but I just haven't heard it yet. Instead, most of what I've heard from him has been manufactured Nashville expectations of what Country music "ought to be", some of which are just blatantly intelligence-insulting. I hear three chords, and while I understand "truth" is subjective and means different things to different people.............I'm just not convinced we're hearing what is the whole truth and nothing but the truth from Moore as an artist. What I hear is nuggets of truth, intertwined with peer-pressured expectations. Namaste, lisping HIBISCUS |
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Post by ryanroberts on Sept 16, 2011 19:33:37 GMT -5
Just to make it clear ..I don't believe that either. It goes beyond what you wear/culture for sure and if I made it seem as such those were not my intentions. I do listen for lyrics, production quality etc
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Post by singingsparrow on Sept 16, 2011 19:52:01 GMT -5
Just to make it clear ..I don't believe that either. It goes beyond what you wear/culture for sure and if I made it seem as such those were not my intentions. I do listen for lyrics, production quality etc I understand. I gathered to begin with you listen for those attributes as well. And by the way, I'm also not suggesting the way I evaluate Country music is any more "right" than how you do. Many listeners reflect on Country music the same way you do, and that's completely sound. I suppose, because I tend to dwell heavily on figurative language and layered meanings in art, that it will just stand to reason lyrical quality, narration and storytelling is of greater importance and priority to me. It's not to say I don't value accessibility since, after all, country music prides itself in its poetic simplicity. Still, I expect more from country music than just strings of declarative statements, cultural self-affirmation and run-downs on what country livin' is all about...........and I know of course you do too. That's precisely why I'm critical of "Bait A Hook". I'm willing to argue many Country listeners, when hearing the song through their speakers, will actually conclude the narrator sounds like a jerk, even if they agree sushi sucks and they can do without a Prius. They'll think "Yeah, the city life just doesn't do it for me, but...........gosh, he just sounds bitter and conceited!" Making juxtapositions of the displeasure of urban living with the utopia of country livin' is one thing, but the way you boast and the tonality of it is a whole other thing..............and I think many feel this song, unlike more polite counterparts of its sort, just doesn't sound affable and courteous. I know some may then respond along the lines of "Well, Brad Paisley's "Online" sounded kind of conceited, even bullying!" On paper, definitely. But especially when you hear the song in its entirety...........by the time you get to the refrain of the song's hook in the form of a school marching band as depicted in the lyrics...........you know it's all playful ribbing, and it is for that reason why Paisley got away with that sort of song. "Bait A Hook" wouldn't have been so bad if Moore was able to apply that sort of nuance here. Because I understand this was intended as more of a playful roast than anything. The problem is, the song just doesn't come across that way. No musical indicators that scream "It's a joke, lighten up boy!"............nor is it particularly humorous. And why should I simply conclude it's a joke song when Moore often likes to boast in interviews of his earnestness? Namaste, lisping HIBISCUS |
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Post by singingsparrow on Oct 14, 2011 13:40:57 GMT -5
As it deserves to. Namaste, lisping HIBISCUS |
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Post by Ten Pound Hammer on Nov 12, 2011 21:50:09 GMT -5
I don't read this song as angry, defensive and narrow minded at all. I don't see how it comes across to you as such, Hibiscus.
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Post by Zazie on Nov 13, 2011 20:25:18 GMT -5
I don't know about "defensive," but I'm certainly willing to go along with "bad." The comparison to Chris LeDoux breaks down for me because I don't think Moore's songs are in the same universe, let alone solar system, when it comes to... hmm, let's start with lyrics and melody and performance.
Reasonable people could differ about the merits of Moore, but I just have to speak up for LeDoux's good humor, intelligent lyrics, and terrific performances.
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Post by ryanroberts on Nov 13, 2011 21:44:04 GMT -5
The comparison was loosely, and I'd take Ledoux any day of the week over Justin Moore.
Oh well...you do your thing and I'll do mine!
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Post by zaclord 🌈 on Nov 13, 2011 22:08:23 GMT -5
There are few popular artists in country music that I personally believe are disgraces to the genre and should disappear forever. Justin Moore is a great example. And this atrocious song just adds to my opinion. I was really hoping this would completely flop, but its picking up some speed. Why can't only good songs be hits?
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Post by rsmatto on Nov 14, 2011 1:48:12 GMT -5
There are few popular artists in country music that I personally believe are disgraces to the genre and should disappear forever. Justin Moore is a great example. And this atrocious song just adds to my opinion. I was really hoping this would completely flop, but its picking up some speed. Why can't only good songs be hits? According to the stats I rundown at Roughstock, people quite like this song. The video we embedded to the site got nearly 1,000 page views a week, since it came out. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2011 2:05:25 GMT -5
There are few popular artists in country music that I personally believe are disgraces to the genre and should disappear forever. Justin Moore is a great example. And this atrocious song just adds to my opinion. I was really hoping this would completely flop, but its picking up some speed. Why can't only good songs be hits? According to the stats I rundown at Roughstock, people quite like this song. The video we embedded to the site got nearly 1,000 page views a week, since it came out. That might be true. I just think that this song is so narrow-minded and has incredibly dumbed-down lyrics...and sometimes I don't mind simple, radio-friendly songs but ones with dumbed-down lyrics just don't do it for me. I think that too many "I'm country" songs on radio have led people to become used to songs like this...watered-down lyrics and unoriginal melodies in songs that are all about telling us what we have to do to be "country". |
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Post by rsmatto on Nov 14, 2011 15:30:07 GMT -5
According to the stats I rundown at Roughstock, people quite like this song. The video we embedded to the site got nearly 1,000 page views a week, since it came out. That might be true. I just think that this song is so narrow-minded and has incredibly dumbed-down lyrics...and sometimes I don't mind simple, radio-friendly songs but ones with dumbed-down lyrics just don't do it for me. I think that too many "I'm country" songs on radio have led people to become used to songs like this...watered-down lyrics and unoriginal melodies in songs that are all about telling us what we have to do to be "country". I wasn't saying I loved the song, but I was saying that people are liking it. |
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Post by Ten Pound Hammer on Nov 14, 2011 15:38:58 GMT -5
Meh, I still don't think it's a narrow minded view.
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Post by Zazie on Nov 14, 2011 16:31:32 GMT -5
Eating sushi rules out love? Driving a Prius and being green indicate something negative about love too? I don't think narrow-minded is an inappropriate word choice.
I get that it's possible to write about the differences (real or imagined) between city folk and country folk in a witty way, but that doesn't mean that every song on that topic succeeds at being witty. I can look up who wrote this one, which I will go do in a few minutes -- when I do, I don't expect to find "Haggard" or "Nelson" or "Jamey Johnson" on the credits. It could be a Peach Picker song, and I respect them a lot; but nobody's perfect.
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Post by Ten Pound Hammer on Nov 14, 2011 21:37:37 GMT -5
^ One of the three Pickers (Rhett Akins) wrote it with Moore and Jeremy Stover.
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Post by sayshal on Nov 14, 2011 22:45:57 GMT -5
Yes I agree with Zazie; this is not a very good song. Not very well-written. I like some of the writers too but yeah, no way that someone like Jamey Johnson would write this!! I live in a city and I can "bait a hook" but I know some country people who can't!! This song has too many stereotypes in it and I would say I generally like songs like "Hillbilly Bone" and Easton's "I'm A Little More Country Than That". This one just comes across as very very boring and yes, I would say narrow minded as well. It is written from a single perspective and says that anything other than this is "not country".
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Post by .indulgecountry on Nov 14, 2011 23:14:01 GMT -5
I definitely can agree that this song comes across as ignorant and offensive in its position on the subject. There's been countless songs in the same vein in country music, and the majority of them are not good. Justin Moore happens to have a bad penchant for recording them.
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Post by Zazie on Nov 15, 2011 0:11:50 GMT -5
I'm sure he's trying to be funny, not fighting a culture war -- he's playing on both the city-country stories and also the how-could-you-leave-me-for-that-guy idea. I don't think he's trying to pick a fight with a sushi chef.
But the song's just too obvious to be funny. The umbrella drinks, the food, it's all lame, for lack of a better word.
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