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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2011 21:39:25 GMT -5
If it was a single tho it could still do better than TTWG is, which seems not to be going anywhere fast and its AI is way less than it was 2 weeks ago. It may not be dead but this is kinda what happened to Pickler's song before it fell off a cliff. Hopefully its not gonna happen again. What are you talking about? TTWG has never lost its bullet on Billboard, and its current 3.666 AI total on Mediabase (up 100k from yesterday) is only a tad less than the highest he's been, which is 3.723. The song got 14 adds this past week. The album has already sold over 280k in just 2 weeks. I don't care for this song and would've loved a different song instead, but radio will take notice of Scotty's commercial figures and this will not flame out. I don't see it going top 10 but it should at least climb into the top 25 or even top 20. It might take him a while to get everyone's support (at radio), but I think he has enough for now. I wouldn't want to hear "Water Tower Town" on the radio though...it's a "list" song full of cliches and crictics have said it's one of the weekest uptempos on the album, and I agree. I'd love to hear "Walk In The Country" or "Better Than That" on the radio, though...either of those would serve Scotty well as the 3rd single.
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Post by McCreerian on Oct 19, 2011 21:46:10 GMT -5
If it was a single tho it could still do better than TTWG is, which seems not to be going anywhere fast and its AI is way less than it was 2 weeks ago. It may not be dead but this is kinda what happened to Pickler's song before it fell off a cliff. Hopefully its not gonna happen again. What are you talking about? TTWG has never lost its bullet on Billboard, and its current 3.666 AI total on Mediabase (up 100k from yesterday) is only a tad less than the highest he's been, which is 3.723. The song got 14 adds this past week. The album has already sold over 280k in just 2 weeks. I don't care for this song and would've loved a different song instead, but radio will take notice of Scotty's commercial figures and this will not flame out. I don't see it going top 10 but it should at least climb into the top 25 or even top 20. It might take him a while to get everyone's support (at radio), but I think he has enough for now. I wouldn't want to hear "Water Tower Town" on the radio though...it's a "list" song full of cliches and crictics have said it's one of the weekest uptempos on the album, and I agree. I'd love to hear "Walk In The Country" or "Better Than That" on the radio, though...either of those would serve Scotty well as the 3rd single. I actually referenced the wrong thing (as a politician would say, I misspoke, lol). You are right about the AI. I meant the +/- spins. It was gaining 100+ spins consistently and now its +31 of today and it was lower than that yesterday and has been below 50 for a few days now everytime I check it. His AI is higher but the number of spins aren't climbing as they were. With the adds this week hopefully it will help.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2011 23:18:45 GMT -5
^Ok. Yeah, this isn't gaining a huge number of spins, but I really think the label is behind him and it would look bad if they gave up on this now...it's too late for them to just "pretend" this wasn't the single, so they should ride it out and I think they can still get it a decent peak.
I think it would be getting more spins, but it also happens to be competing against a batch of new songs from all the really big stars--Kenny, Brad, Dierks, and now Keith are all getting amped up spins now, because they all are proven at radio...you could probably put Toby, Billy, Jake, and Rodney in that cateogry as well but I think Scotty will start to move up a bit as well after those other big releases get up the chart a bit.
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Post by someguy on Oct 22, 2011 9:41:38 GMT -5
I agree that while this isn't doing huge things, it's too late to send something else out there in its place. At this point, they need to ride it out and send out a better third single. I can see this getting to about #17 or #18 sometime early next year, but that being as high as it goes. An uptempo song needs to come next. Much like Ronnie Dunn, two slow songs in a row isn't a great way to introduce yourself to country radio.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2011 13:11:47 GMT -5
I'm really hoping "Clear As Day" becomes a single, and I can see him getting a standing ovation if he performs that at an awards show. But now that he has 2 slow songs in a row as his first 2 singles ever, I don't think releasing another ballad for his 3rd single would be a good idea. I think "Walk In The Country" should be next, and then maybe "Water Tower Town" for the summer, followed by "Clear As Day" next Fall for the final single.
He can perform "Walk In The Country" at the ACMs in April, "Water Tower Town" at the CMT Awards in June, and then "Clear As Day" at next year's CMA Awards.
I actually really love "Better Than That", but it sort of sounds more like an album track to me. But I would not mind it as a single at all.
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Post by draggintheriver on Oct 22, 2011 13:14:56 GMT -5
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Post by McCreerian on Oct 22, 2011 15:19:21 GMT -5
I'm really hoping "Clear As Day" becomes a single, and I can see him getting a standing ovation if he performs that at an awards show. But now that he has 2 slow songs in a row as his first 2 singles ever, I don't think releasing another ballad for his 3rd single would be a good idea. I think "Walk In The Country" should be next, and then maybe "Water Tower Town" for the summer, followed by "Clear As Day" next Fall for the final single. He can perform "Walk In The Country" at the ACMs in April, "Water Tower Town" at the CMT Awards in June, and then "Clear As Day" at next year's CMA Awards. I actually really love "Better Than That", but it sort of sounds more like an album track to me. But I would not mind it as a single at all. I think "Write My Number on Your Hand" would do great things at radio next Summer. It has that Chesneyish beach sound that plays so well. Its only a little over 2 minutes so radio would love that too.
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Post by maria4hitz on Oct 28, 2011 13:54:08 GMT -5
6 123 146 172 MCCREERY*SCOTTY THE TROUBLE WITH GIRLS 8,810 -19 10,944 105,233
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Post by .indulgecountry on Oct 29, 2011 0:51:59 GMT -5
I love it! Man, is he one handsome young man. With the accompanying video it helps understand why the record label would pick this for a single, since it's very reflective of Scotty's age. It was a well-done video -- much better than the one for ILYTB, which I thought was just alright. Having him go back to his high school to shoot it was just a perfect idea.
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Post by maria4hitz on Nov 3, 2011 8:58:17 GMT -5
7 146 172 101 MCCREERY*SCOTTY THE TROUBLE WITH GIRLS 14,147 61 8,810 119,380
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Post by Ten Pound Hammer on Nov 3, 2011 12:35:44 GMT -5
I love it! Man, is he one handsome young man. I still think he's a dead ringer for Alfred E. Neuman.
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Post by .indulgecountry on Nov 3, 2011 13:01:34 GMT -5
I love it! Man, is he one handsome young man. I still think he's a dead ringer for Alfred E. Neuman. Didn't know who that was so I had to Google it. After that, I'm gonna have to disagree.
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Post by ClevelandRox on Nov 8, 2011 12:49:36 GMT -5
I still think he's a dead ringer for MadTV kid.
I thought he would be shooting up the charts once his actual first single was released. Maybe it's because TTWG was just entirely the wrong song.
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Post by McCreerian on Nov 22, 2011 20:21:43 GMT -5
Over 730k shipped! Gold Status (sales are near 500k as of this week) and 3/4 of the way to Platinum shipment! This after less than 2 months! Not bad at all!
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Post by McCreerian on Nov 29, 2011 18:22:42 GMT -5
Numbers are in and "Clear as Day" sold right at 90,000 copies last week (+181% increase)! Thats insane given its been out for 2 months, AND it is staying #1, beating Taylor Swift's first week sales of her live album! Thats incredible! Sales now are around 590,000 copies in 2 months! So why is radio still letting TTWG stall in the 30s for many weeks now? It only got 2 MB adds this week and spins really aren't increasing, even when he got 11 adds last week! I don't get how an album can sell this good but radio won't respond to fans by playing the single off it.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2011 20:19:44 GMT -5
I really don't think there's anything that sets this song apart from other generic radio fodder. Granted, it could be argued that some of the format's stars put out dull or generic singles a bit too often, but they've built up a career and a relationship with radio over many years. Scotty's album is selling well, no doubt in part because many of the viewers who watched AI became a fan of his, but I don't think he's going to get instant hits just because of that.
This song just doesn't seem to stick out much. The melody, while pleasant, is hardly what I'd call engaging. Overall, the song just comes across as pretty dull, in my opinion.
Surely the album sales and the marketing of the album have been a success, but I really think Mercury has goofed with the single choices and it's quite perplexing. I'm not even sure if a strong 3rd single will give him instant radio success at this point, but you certainly can't rule it out, considering Scotty's mass exposure and of course the continuing strong album sales.
I just think that radio doesn't really know what to do with this track. And, even though the country genre tends to be a bit more supportive of AI artists, I think that a lot of industry people want to see Scotty work hard and earn his way quite a bit, given the difficult economy right now and how tough it is for new artists to break onto the national scene and airplay charts. Sure, some new acts have been slowly building up momentum and breaking through, but I'm not sure that everyone is exactly looking for a new mega-star to break through anytime soon, and so that's why, perhaps, many country industry folk might feel that Scotty and his team are going to have to work hard to develop a career--they're going to have to show that they really want it.
If it's any consolation, though, this one is still doing decently well, and it finished last week at #30 on the Mediabase chart, which means he'll be picking up countdown spins from Lon Helton's CC-USA soon.
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Post by rjz on Nov 29, 2011 20:50:42 GMT -5
"So why is radio still letting TTWG stall in the 30s for many weeks now?"
Because its a crappy song, lol.
I downloaded Walk in the Country (free from my country station) and its marginally better than ILYTB, but still doesn't sound like a hit to me.
I admire his album sales, although he's had magnificent PR/exposure lately, Mercury should be getting something out of their $$ outlay.
Its a little refreshing, actually that country radio isn't letting it zip up, it doesn't deserve it. Again, neither do some stars crappy songs like Country Girl Shake It, but at least Luke has payed his dues.
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Post by McCreerian on Nov 29, 2011 21:18:24 GMT -5
Its kind of looking to me like what happened with Miranda. Coming off of Nashville Star she debuted at #1 and went Platinum even tho her debut album didn't have a smash top 10 hit. Her 2nd album went Platinum and the singles didn't do much better. It took her 3 albums and numerous singles to get a #1 and start collecting the awards. That was about 5 years of paying her dues after she got off her show. So maybe that is the road Country radio wants Scotty to go down. I hope it doesn't take him that long, cause there are stronger songs on his album that could be top 10 hits given the chance. I do agree TTWG isn't the strongest song but I figured those sales would count for something toward airplay. Hopefully he'll win some hearts over at radio with a 3rd single...hopefully its an upbeat one like "Walk in the Country" "Water Tower Town" or "You Make that Look Good."
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Post by kw9461 on Nov 29, 2011 22:57:53 GMT -5
Scotty's album is selling well, but I'd venture to say that a great deal of those buyers aren't people who listen to country radio. That makes a big difference too, although I think a better single choice would be doing just fine.
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Post by slamina on Nov 30, 2011 1:23:16 GMT -5
This single was a poor choice. It has barely moved in weeks. The good thing about this first album is he has an Idol fanbase to fall back on, but he's going to need some more consistent airplay to sustain sales in the long run. Hopefully, they choose a better song for the third single.
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Post by .indulgecountry on Nov 30, 2011 14:19:44 GMT -5
I don't like Walk in the Country much (I actually prefer this song, tbh), but it seems very likely to be the planned third single, and I expect it to do better for him, so I hope this can manage to make the Top 20 at least and then they can move on. This was not the right single choice, at all.
I'm quite impressed with his album sales though. I knew they'd be good, but they are a little better than I had expected.
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Post by Arabella21 on Dec 4, 2011 9:19:24 GMT -5
It was a weak choice for a single IMO but the position of the song on iTunes has been very strong considering its level of airplay. So I think there is interest in the song from the public. Considering some of those comments from PDs back when he was still on Idol, you are going to have some Scotty fans suspicious that there's some bias at country radio he has yet to overcome.
I am not in love with WITC as single #3; I think the album has better uptempos.
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Post by McCreerian on Dec 4, 2011 20:14:10 GMT -5
It was a weak choice for a single IMO but the position of the song on iTunes has been very strong considering its level of airplay. So I think there is interest in the song from the public. Considering some of those comments from PDs back when he was still on Idol, you are going to have some Scotty fans suspicious that there's some bias at country radio he has yet to overcome. I am not in love with WITC as single #3; I think the album has better uptempos. Yes I'm sure there are some stations with a vindetta against both him and Lauren. Country radio has been less welcoming for Country artists coming off of Idol since Carrie. Kellie had some moderate success. Bucky had a hit. And a few others like Kristy Lee Cook and Phil Stacy have tried, they let Josh Gracin fade away. I think some PDs have the mind set "We let Carrie in, shes the One, no more." Also another factor, Scotty has yet to do a "radio bus tour" like PDs expect all new artists to do if they want their music played. He won, went on tour, went back to HS, and has done promo things thru the Fall. Another factor, TTWG is the weakest song on the album and had no buisness being the initial single before CAD was released. They should have had an uptempo. And if they had to do a ballad it should have been the title track or "King James" which are the 2 strongest ballads. I think "Walk in the Country" is a great song and would be a better single, but for the 3rd I am really wanting "You Make that Look Good" or "Water Tower Town" or "Better than That." "Number on My Hand" and "Out of Summertime" would be great for a 4th single. I think the title track would be the perfect single to close out the era whenever it ends. "Dirty Dishes" and "Back on the Ground" good but not radio single quality. TTWG did hit #28 today cause of 2 songs dropping off. It seems like that is the only way it'll move up. Luck from drop offs and having not much competiton behind it. If he doesn't get more adds and more spins, it'll just keep sitting steady til it finally stalls and falls. If that happens it wouldn' be a bad thing. Scotty needs to get a better song out to radio after the new year. He had awesome sales since the album release and its Gold. Had their been a better 2nd single I have no doubt it'd already be Platinum. Its already getting pretty close in shipments.
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Post by layne on Dec 4, 2011 20:54:32 GMT -5
IMO Scotty so far doesn't have a "Jesus Take the Wheel" or a "Before He Cheats". Those songs were great and without them, Carrie might not have broken through as fast. Also I think it's going to be tough for Scotty when you consider Luke Bryan, Eric Church, Chris Young, Hunter Hayes, David Nail etc are all putting out great music as well.
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Post by Arabella21 on Dec 4, 2011 21:57:35 GMT -5
I hadn't thought about his lack of kowtowing to radio being one of the reasons for his sluggish airplay but it probably is. ILYTB got a pass of sorts on that because he was busy with the Idol summer tour but now that that's over radio expected the usual new artist courtship and since they haven't gotten it... When you want to be a normal HS senior and recording star there are going to be some sacrifices and maybe airplay is it with Scotty. Or the country charts are just epically slow, especially for a weak single like TTWG.
I never expected Scotty to sell like Carrie or have that broad appeal, but I also don't think this album is being marketed to its complete potential. I agree that he'd be at least closer to selling a million if they'd gone with an uptempo, something that was more dynamic and fun for all of his TV appearances. Maybe single #3 will take off faster than this. Hopefully.
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Post by someguy on Dec 4, 2011 23:23:41 GMT -5
He's selling really well, but chances are that a lot of the people buying the album don't listen regularly to country radio. It makes sense to stick with this single throughout the end of 2011, but I wouldn't be surprised if an uptempo single (probably "Walkin' In The Country") gets shipped out in January or February.
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Post by McCreerian on Dec 5, 2011 19:47:50 GMT -5
He's selling really well, but chances are that a lot of the people buying the album don't listen regularly to country radio. It makes sense to stick with this single throughout the end of 2011, but I wouldn't be surprised if an uptempo single (probably "Walkin' In The Country") gets shipped out in January or February. I don't believe that about the sales being from people who don't normally listen to Country radio. Look at Kris and Lee's sales. Scotty has more than outsold both their albums already! Even David Cook, Jordin, and Taylor Hicks didn't sell as fast as Scotty has. Its the Country audience buying his album. Think about it. Nobody between Carrie and Scotty have sold this fast as Idol winners and what do Carrie and Scotty have in common? They are Country artists and the Country fans are the most loyal and generous of any other genre's fanbase. It just goes hand in hand. And I'm sure there are some outside Country who may be buying CAD too and thats a great thing for Country music! Usually the artists who end up the most successful are the ones who can bring in an outside fanbase cause those "new" Country fans find other artists they like as well most of the time! So Scotty's sales is good for the Country music business entirely!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2011 21:14:01 GMT -5
I think it's a mix of both. Scotty got off to a better start than past Idol alums, and so when his album is ranked high on iTunes or Billboard or whatever, people think "Hey, that album is selling, I should check it out" and it keeps building like that. But there are a lot of Scotty fans...people watch the show and support him even if they don't like country music, they'll like this stuff simply because they fell in love with Scotty on AI. I mean, didn't like 20 million people cast votes? You can't tell me they were all country radio listeners.
However, I'm sure a good chunk of album sales are from country folks...but I just don't think they all are and over time, he'll lose some of the fans who aren't really country music fans. If he's going to be a star, he'll have to keep making connections within the country industry. I think he can do it, but he needs better singles because there are a lot of guys to compete with in country music.
With that said, his performance tonight wasn't too bad. I'm still not a fan of TTWG, and don't think I will be, but I think I would root for Scotty if some of the better songs from this album go out as singles.
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Post by .indulgecountry on Dec 5, 2011 21:19:54 GMT -5
I thought his performance on the ACAs tonight was really solid. I hope this picks up a little bit. I'd like to see it inch into the Top 20 before they move on from it, but I'm looking forward to single #3 coming fairly soon. He's got great album sales; he just needs a big radio hit.
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