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Post by #LisaRinna on Nov 1, 2011 7:08:10 GMT -5
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Post by mew2 on Nov 1, 2011 8:35:53 GMT -5
So sad this isn't doing better. Pop stations are clearly ignoring her this time around.
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Post by Heartless Angel on Nov 1, 2011 12:19:32 GMT -5
Whatever, 'BTINH' went top 15 at Pop radio. Stop making it seem like it was a complete failure. For an artist of Bey's caliber it should have gone higher. It wasn't a complete fail, but it was a fail. @ the same time it did follow RTW so that may also have contributed why it didn't peak as high as it did.
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Post by NeRD on Nov 1, 2011 12:45:17 GMT -5
Its just funny because the people that are saying she's doing well regardless etc.. are the same ones who were butchering other artists who went out of their comfort zones calling them flops because they struggled to reach Platinum and insisting that the public wasnt here for them anymore.
I just think its ironic how the tables turn tbqh...
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Post by slw84 on Nov 1, 2011 13:01:28 GMT -5
Its just funny because the people that are saying she's doing well regardless etc.. are the same ones who were butchering other artists who went out of their comfort zones calling them flops because they struggled to reach Platinum and insisting that the public wasnt here for them anymore. I just think its ironic how the tables turn tbqh... Yeah, thats true. Bey was suppose to snatch wigs this year but overextended herself and tripped. I never would have thought would do her like they are now but it goes to show that you never know. Either way she has a solid fanbase, decent singles and it is platinum. I still say 1.5-1.7m will be its final total but either way to have a "flop" with those numbers is a good thing.
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Post by Grün on Nov 1, 2011 14:20:22 GMT -5
Might sound like a troll or jaded, but I am glad she is failing. Unlike "My December", her songs this album are not good. Even her own Target commericial summed it up. She had no inspiration, so she went to concerts and took another singers ideas.
I believe she is very talented and is a good artist. Right now, however, she seems bored and lacking her drive. Hopefully, when she has the baby this might give her some real things to sing about and then she can keep being her own artististic talent again.
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Post by johnm1120 on Nov 1, 2011 14:58:30 GMT -5
It will be a tragedy if this peaks below that piece of crap she had as a first single.
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Post by think pink. on Nov 1, 2011 15:05:45 GMT -5
Flopyonce, 3 strikes in a row she's out! On to the next chick, this bitch is done. I don't understand why people keep calling "4" and its singles, flops? "Run the World (Girls)" was quite a flop, I have to admit. But, at Urban radio it didnt do too bad. "Best Thing I Never Had" was a hit at Urban radio, surprisingly. I still think that if Rihanna sang "BTINH" it would've been a huge hit, just because she's a radio artist and the song fits her personality more. "Party" is still heating up at Urban radio, currently in the Top 5. The album will definitely benefit from Holiday sales, it has also been certified Platinum, so, I see no flop here. *(Also, all artist hurt majorly when they try and switch up their musical style. Britney with "Blackout", Rihanna with "Rated R", Kelly Clarkson with "My December", etc.) I think Beyoncé transitioned herself way better than most artist do. Blackout's performance had nothing to do with the material. The album is hailed as Britney's best. Britney's personal life was in turmoil and her image was in the toilet. Thus overshadowing the album greatly. It didn't help that the only promotion the album received was the Vma 07 performance. The album still fairly sold well imo all things considered.
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Post by Music.ology on Nov 1, 2011 17:01:11 GMT -5
Might sound like a troll or jaded, but I am glad she is failing. Unlike "My December", her songs this album are not good. Even her own Target commericial summed it up. She had no inspiration, so she went to concerts and took another singers ideas. I believe she is very talented and is a good artist. Right now, however, she seems bored and lacking her drive. Hopefully, when she has the baby this might give her some real things to sing about and then she can keep being her own artististic talent again. I guess that's why this is her most solidy and critical acclaimed album to date? I respect others people opinion when is valid, i dunno if you're confused or just have bad taste of music.
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Post by Fat Ass Kelly Price on Nov 1, 2011 17:03:56 GMT -5
My December sucks. 4 is a solid album.
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Post by d.t.m on Nov 1, 2011 19:36:08 GMT -5
Frankly, I don't see this getting to 1.5mil like Alicia's last set did. POP is saying no more and Party looks to be the last urban hit left on 4, and I doubt it will smash like Unthinkable did there. I still think this will tap out around 1 million like I originally predicted.
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Post by bjay on Nov 1, 2011 19:41:20 GMT -5
I don't understand why people keep calling "4" and its singles, flops? "Run the World (Girls)" was quite a flop, I have to admit. But, at Urban radio it didnt do too bad. "Best Thing I Never Had" was a hit at Urban radio, surprisingly. I still think that if Rihanna sang "BTINH" it would've been a huge hit, just because she's a radio artist and the song fits her personality more. "Party" is still heating up at Urban radio, currently in the Top 5. The album will definitely benefit from Holiday sales, it has also been certified Platinum, so, I see no flop here. *(Also, all artist hurt majorly when they try and switch up their musical style. Britney with "Blackout", Rihanna with "Rated R", Kelly Clarkson with "My December", etc.) I think Beyoncé transitioned herself way better than most artist do. Blackout's performance had nothing to do with the material. The album is hailed as Britney's best. Britney's personal life was in turmoil and her image was in the toilet. Thus overshadowing the album greatly. It didn't help that the only promotion the album received was the Vma 07 performance. The album still fairly sold well imo all things considered. Of course "Blackout" wasn't a bad album, it just didn't do well compared to other Britney albums. Selling 290,000 in its first week was a low point for Brit's career. And didn't it debut at #2 in the U.S. All things aside, I'm basically saying that her fans weren't ready for "Blackout". Britney previously made very mainstream pop music, "Oops! I Did It Again," "Toxic", "I'm a Slave 4 U". Not songs like "Gimme More," "Toy Soldier," "Break the Ice". Doesnt matter how critically acclaimed something is, it didn't have mass appeal. It wasn't very mainstream. Songs produced by Sean Garrett (who typically produces R&B music), isn't exactly producers who Britney work with. Therefore, Britney's mainstream fans stayed away from it. It also doesn't matter about her personal life, if her fans and people wanted to buy it, they would have. Britney's demographic isn't soccer moms and little girls, so, her personal life really didn't matter. If the music was good. If the video was hot. If promo was heavy, it would have sold better.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2011 20:00:08 GMT -5
That's nice and all but this is a Beyoncé thread.
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Post by NeRD on Nov 1, 2011 20:00:38 GMT -5
Frankly, I don't see this getting to 1.5mil like Alicia's last set did. POP is saying no more and Party looks to be the last urban hit left on 4, and I doubt it will smash like Unthinkable did there. I still think this will tap out around 1 million like I originally predicted. Eh, I'm thinking this will at least hit 1.5 million. Its going to benefit from the holidays, not as much as albums with hits out or Susan Boyle, but it should see a nice increase in sales. I see it crossing the million mark sometime in January. The only other song I could see being a nice hit, at least on Urban and maybe Rhythmic is End of Time. Unfortunately, that song will never reach its full potential since they chose this instead; which basically put a nail in the coffin as far as Pop is concerned.
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Post by d.t.m on Nov 1, 2011 20:36:32 GMT -5
I doubt 4 has any hits left aside from what's already been out there.
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Post by Mack on Nov 1, 2011 21:32:02 GMT -5
Britney previously made very mainstream pop music, "Oops! I Did It Again," "Toxic", "I'm a Slave 4 U". Not songs like "Gimme More," "Toy Soldier," "Break the Ice". I wouldn't classify 'Slave' or 'Toxic' as "very mainstream pop music." Both were pretty radical departures for Britney. 'Slave', in particular, was vastly different than anything she had released prior. Songs like 'Gimme More', 'Break the Ice', and the bulk of Blackout were exactly what people expected from her. Also, Blackout is viewed as Britney's best album in the eyes of fans only. Oops!, Femme Fatale, ITZ, and Circus all received better reviews. Anyway, back to Beyoncé...
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Post by spicemuncher on Nov 2, 2011 2:34:10 GMT -5
I really don't mean to be an ass, but look at the entire project from a casual fan's point of view. I like Beyonce's songs, enjoy them and sing a long, however I'm not a massive fan. When I heard 4, the album ended and I still had the same facial expression as I had from the moment it started, then I heard crickets.
I don't know how she managed to make a whole album with not one catchy hook and didn't secure at least two pop hits. Sure, she's doing well on urban but we're used to Beyonce doing well on mainstream and being everywhere, and surely that's what she and her label want.
No one give me the whole "it's not the material" thing, because it is. It's nothing that appeals to pop listeners, none of it. End of Time is the only track that COULD (!) attract some listeners and eventually be a moderate hit for her. I don't know why they didn't release this immediately after BTINH.
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Post by reneetr on Nov 2, 2011 3:26:22 GMT -5
This song is a little annoying. End Of Time is just a million times better. I like it anyway.
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Post by Heartless Angel on Nov 2, 2011 12:09:53 GMT -5
When it comes to the album and the single choices, I do agree that it is not as pop as most of the things that Pop is currently playing. I feel like she tried to take risks, which is all well and good, but it just did not work for her.
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Post by #LisaRinna on Nov 2, 2011 12:29:14 GMT -5
Frankly, I don't see this getting to 1.5mil like Alicia's last set did. POP is saying no more and Party looks to be the last urban hit left on 4, and I doubt it will smash like Unthinkable did there. I still think this will tap out around 1 million like I originally predicted. Alicia only got to 1.5 million because she released the album in December and sold 65% of that amount in the first 4 weeks the album was out, otherwise she would have even struggled to hit a million in sales. The album had poor a chart run and poor sales, even when 'Un-thinkable' was spending several weeks at the top of the R&B charts in the spring. As for 'Party' being the last Urban hit on the album, you've clearly not listened to it. You doubt it will smash? Have you even been checking the Urban chart lately?
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Post by Agent Yoncé on Nov 2, 2011 12:47:17 GMT -5
Flopping & underperforming are 2 different things...
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Post by #LisaRinna on Nov 2, 2011 12:47:35 GMT -5
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Post by yourstar830 on Nov 2, 2011 13:11:26 GMT -5
I don't know how she managed to make a whole album with not one catchy hook and didn't secure at least two pop hits. Sure, she's doing well on urban but we're used to Beyonce doing well on mainstream and being everywhere, and surely that's what she and her label want. No one give me the whole "it's not the material" thing, because it is. It's nothing that appeals to pop listeners, none of it. Maybe she didn't want to record any pop songs. Some people make the assumption that every recording artist wants to record and make pop music. Beyonce had ample opportunity after the album leaked so early to go back and record additional songs but she chose not to. That alone tells me that she is happy with the album she released. I don't know why people act surprised that Beyonce made an album that was more R&B than pop.
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Post by Heartless Angel on Nov 2, 2011 13:17:46 GMT -5
Sometimes artists want to break the mold as well or go against the grain. Just become an artists' songs doesn't sound like the current trends doesn't mean that artist doesn't still want it to become popular. Maybe Beyonce wanted to start a new pop trend.
Look at Adele.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2011 13:30:03 GMT -5
5 more pop adds. 3 Rhythmic adds 1 Urban add.
If this doesn't become a pop hit, I honestly think nothing else will....but they should try Party. It's huge at Urban, Top 40 at Rhythmic(wasn't even released there)and could end up like Motivation.
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Post by Music.ology on Nov 2, 2011 13:38:27 GMT -5
Every pop artist goes through different phases. And sometimes they want to sell not just numbers, but also ideas and good music. Madonna did that with 'Erotica' and it didn't work... a lot people at that time though her carrer was over, but in otherside it worked with Ray of Light. But at that period it was trendy to make chill-out-groove kind os songs.
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Post by slw84 on Nov 2, 2011 14:31:52 GMT -5
Sometimes artists want to break the mold as well or go against the grain. Just become an artists' songs doesn't sound like the current trends doesn't mean that artist doesn't still want it to become popular. Maybe Beyonce wanted to start a new pop trend. Look at Adele. I remember while she was recording her producer said that they were trying to create a new genre...not sure what it was though.
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Post by d.t.m on Nov 2, 2011 16:47:33 GMT -5
Frankly, I don't see this getting to 1.5mil like Alicia's last set did. POP is saying no more and Party looks to be the last urban hit left on 4, and I doubt it will smash like Unthinkable did there. I still think this will tap out around 1 million like I originally predicted. Alicia only got to 1.5 million because she released the album in December and sold 65% of that amount in the first 4 weeks the album was out, otherwise she would have even struggled to hit a million in sales. The album had poor a chart run and poor sales, even when 'Un-thinkable' was spending several weeks at the top of the R&B charts in the spring. As for 'Party' being the last Urban hit on the album, you've clearly not listened to it. You doubt it will smash? Have you even been checking the Urban chart lately? We can argue about release dates, but at the end of the day Alicia hit 1.5 mil. Yes, I have seen the charts and I didn't say it wouldn't be an urban hit, I said it wouldn't smash like Unthinkable did(14 weeks at #1, one of the biggest r&b hits of all time). I've also heard the album and the boring ballads left, and yes I still think Party will be the last urban hit(top 5 or even top 10 material).
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Post by Fat Ass Kelly Price on Nov 2, 2011 17:10:12 GMT -5
Tbh, they could still ship this off to urban.
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Post by mew2 on Nov 2, 2011 18:20:58 GMT -5
Alicia only got to 1.5 million because she released the album in December and sold 65% of that amount in the first 4 weeks the album was out, otherwise she would have even struggled to hit a million in sales. The album had poor a chart run and poor sales, even when 'Un-thinkable' was spending several weeks at the top of the R&B charts in the spring. As for 'Party' being the last Urban hit on the album, you've clearly not listened to it. You doubt it will smash? Have you even been checking the Urban chart lately? I've also heard the album and the boring ballads left, and yes I still think Party will be the last urban hit(top 5 or even top 10 material). I think you'll be proved wrong soon. Countdown is about to enter the top 40 on Urban and they didn't even send it for adds.
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