Avril Lavigne Discussion- Divorcing Nickelback

[Snowbeast]

1.Rock N Roll
2.Here's To Never Growing Up
3.17
4.Bitchin' Summer
5.Let Me Go – feat. Chad Kroeger
6.Give You What You Like
7.Bad Girl – feat. Marilyn Manson
8.Hello Kitty
9.You Ain't Seen Nothin' Yet
10.Sippin' On Sunshine
11.Hello Heartache
12.Falling Fast
13.Hush Hush

First Single: Here's To Never Growing Up
Released: April 9th, 2013.



Second Single: Rock n Roll
Released: TBA


2012 Collaborations
-The Runners
-Chad Kroeger
-David Hodges
- Marilyn Manson
-DJ Nasty
- Jacob Kasher
- Martin Johnson
-Matt Squire
-Chris Lord-Alge (mixing)
2011 Collaborations
-Alex Da Kid
-Pharell
-Butch Walker


Sound/Style quotes from Avril
="My New Album is Very Emotional"
-"A lot of acoustic guitars and pianos"
-"Deep message"
-"emotional"
-"a little more upbeat"
-"pretty crazy fun songs"
-"about living life and just like making the most of it and having a good time"
-"I don’t think it's as young"

Avril Lavigne quotes Popjustice (June 20 2011)
-"pop and more fun again"
-I already have a song that I know is going to be a single"
www.facebook.com/notes/avril...35043139853562 (December 31 2011)
-"faster paced, it will rock"
"I love rock, but also want to try some different musical styles
MTV News Extended Play Quotes(November 28 2011 - MTV News Extended Play)
-half rock and half raw
Recording/Studio:

Tweets
Avril: Today's vocal take is def gonna require some vocal warmups. Not an easy song. @hodgesmusic and Chad get ready!!!!
David Hodges: Man, intense day in the studio. Some serious music we're coming up with. Serious.
Avril: Lots of singing today in the studio with @hodgesmusic and Chad K of @nickelback and writing ANOTHER new song
LA Reid: avrillavigne is also making us very happy with her new music


Avril Lavigne Popjustice (June 20 2011)
-"I already have 8 songs!"
Other:
-Wants to put "Gone" on the album (March 2011)

Avril Lavigne's Interview with The Bounce 91.7 FM! (91.7 The Bounce - September 26 2011)
-"I have a couple of songs in my back pocket, left over, that I really like"





March 19th 2012

Avril Lavigne just ended her whirlwind “Black Star” tour and tells us that she’s already back in the studio working on what will become her 5th studio album.

“I’m in the studio right now and I’m working with another Canadian guy who is super rad, Chad Kruger from the band Nickelback and David Hodges, he’s also a super talented [producer] who did a lot of Evanescence stuff,” Avril tells us at the launch of her Abbey Dawn collection presented by Just Fabulous.

She also says she’s working with a high profile X-Factor judge, “I’m working with LA Reid and we’re all really excited.”

That will only further fuel the rumors that she is in talks to join the judging panel of The X-Factor. Though when we asked about the judging rumors, she simply says, “I already performed on the X-Factor and that was awesome.”

For now we can absolutely look forward to her new album, which she says is not as “young” but definitely very “fun.”

“I don’t think it’s as young,” she says of her new album, “A lot of acoustic guitars and pianos. There’s a deep message…it’s emotional, [but] it’s a good time because the album is a little more upbeat I think. It’s got some pretty crazy fun songs. It’s about living life and just like making the most of it and having a good time.”

February 9th 2012

AvrilLavigne: Yo la_Reid I'm getting antsy to write some new music. All ready to go and booked in the studio for when I get home #newepicmusic

November 28th




November 17th 2011




Avril is officially back in the studio working on new material! The Runners tweeted they are now officially working with Avril.

avrillavigne- Omg still in the studio craziness I'm having fun 2 songs down!

10 hours ago

avrillavigne- I am now on Epic Records and finally working with LA Reid again (he signed me when I was 15) #re-inspired :)

_______________________________________________________________
It's been known for awhile that Avril completed material that wasn't used on her 4th album Goodbye Lullaby. She's stated that she wants to put out another record ASAP, and during this phone interview on October 5th, she says she's wrapping up The Black Star Tour and will be starting work on album #5 in January. This will also be Avril's first record under Epic records and once again under the direction of L.A Reid (the guy that signed her at 16).

@therealrunners How do yall feel about runners workin with avrillavigne! Stayyyyyyyyyy tunned

Rumored producers-
Alex Da Kid
The Runners
Pharell Williams

[Jay]

Yay! I hope her album is a lot better than Goodbye Lullaby in all aspects-- and that it doesn't keep getting delayed.

[Mack]

Hopefully it doesn't take her another 4 years to put together this album. I know she has several songs completed already, but there's no guarantee that they'll actually make the album.

[Snowbeast]

Oct 9, 2011 15:51:47 GMT -5 Mack said:

Hopefully it doesn't take her another 4 years to put together this album. I know she has several songs completed already, but there's no guarantee that they'll actually make the album.

I think it's pretty safe to assume the Alex Da Kid songs will be on it. She wants to put this album out fast. She knows another 4 yr break would kill her career for good. This era was good for getting her name back out there and 1.5 million WW isn't bad numbers. The next record will be the one that reinstates her popularity and hopefully sells in the US.

[Mack]

^ I hope you're right! I have faith.

[Cody Wants Out...]

Sounds like a hip-hop flavored kind of album to me, but it should be amazing nonetheless. Pretty sure we'll get it sometime next fall or in the spring of 2013. Can't wait.

[Love Plastic Love]

She was talking about the next album release while promoting GL and how quickly she wanted it out so I actually believe it will come out fairly quickly this time. Like, 2012 instead of 2014.

[Snowbeast]

Oct 9, 2011 20:10:59 GMT -5 Love Plastic Love said:

She was talking about the next album release while promoting GL and how quickly she wanted it out so I actually believe it will come out fairly quickly this time. Like, 2012 instead of 2014.

I'm thinking Summer 2012 or Fall 2012 at the latest.

[tamed09]

Can not freaking wait! LA understands her and she'll be a priority.

[tamed09]

www.925thebeat.ca/audioplayer.php?mp3=113406

This new interview is amazing! She really goes in deep about her and LA Reid

[tamed09]

Team Avril Lavigne Trending on Twitter!!!!

[xxfetchmonsterxx]

I hope this doesn't flop.

[Musiq]

1.5 million for her last album isn't all that bad, when you consider everything.

[Rumors]

Interesting discussion of Avril's career on the velvetrope. Looks like her tour even in Canada didn't do well. She'll get one more album on her new label with LA Reid to see if they can turn things around for her in the US. If it doesn't do better, I wouldn't expect to see her on TV in the US after that. Of course, she may continue to have an amazing career outside the US and there is always the internet now to watch her performances and videos from Asia/Canada. Her teen brat image just did not translate into an adult career in the US. It will be interesting to see what LA can come up with though.

www.tiwaryent.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=775174&page=1#Post775174

[killingtime2k4]

yes she's loosing a fortune in Canada
Save-On-Foods Memorial Centre, Victoria: 3649 / 9000
Rogers Arena, Vancouver: 4000 / 19000
CN Centre, Prince George: 2700 / 6000
Interior Savings Centre, Kamloops: ???/ 6400
Prospera Place, Kelowna: ~5000 / 8000
Rexall Place, Edmonton: 7000 / 13000
Scotiabank Saddledome ,Calgary: 4000-6000 / 20000

[killingtime2k4]

It’s time you grew up, Avril Lavigne

It’s easy to forget that Avril Lavigne is only 27.

She has, after all been a part of the musical landscape for a decade, selling more than 30 million* albums around the world, while delivering a steady string of moppet pop singles such as Sk8er Boi, Complicated, Girlfriend and What the Hell.

She’s released two fragrances, her own clothing line, and is a sought-after spokesperson. She also went through a high-profile wedding and then, not surprisingly, soon-after, a divorce with fellow petulant Canuck snot rocker Deryck Whibley, who also partially produced her fourth* (!) and latest album Goodbye Lullaby.

The young star from small-town Ontario has lived 10 full and notable years of her life before our very eyes and ears, and, yet incredibly, here she is, still three years shy of her 30th birthday.

Which all makes it weird that perhaps the only real reminder of her fairly young age is Lavigne, herself, and a career that seems, almost tragically, stuck in a retarded (note: not the Jr. High School sense of the term) musical state. She can say it, we can see it, the calendar flips can confirm it, but the singer-songwriter has not grown, clinging to only a slightly modified version of the Gap-punk teen she portrayed at the very beginning of our awareness of her talents — and, yes, vocally she has always owned an abundance of that, which is the most confounding thing.

Her show Tuesday night at the Saddledome only proved that fact and how fatal an error it’s been. Not only because it was so woefully unattended — if she were an NHL team, Quebec City, hell, Kansas City would be planning the press conference — but because it was so obviously stuck in that charade that she’s an artist for those who still need training wheels.

Jesus, Lavigne herself doesn’t believe it anymore, as she was the epitome of playing a role, and mailing it in, at that. It really was sad, watching and hearing hollow and lifeless versions of frivolous fare such as Sk8er Boi, What the Hell and He Wasn’t early on into the show and tepid later takes on Girlfriend and Smile, watching her do the same performance she’s done in previous trips to the Dome, in front of a new crop of glo-stick waving kids.

She could be a diva — she has a powerful, unique and superb voice as demonstrated on material such as Don’t Tell Me and especially Alice, a pretty stunning low-tempo track that was, not shockingly, appreciated but with a muted and polite reception.

But, instead, she still wants to try to compete with the Ke$has and Katy Perrys, who are doing far more enjoyable material, and far more entertaining and memorable concerts in the crowded genre and field.

Her atrocious live presence and stage show — especially for a seasoned veteran — consisted merely of hand-waving and indifferent ambling, and as for interaction with the fans, it was scripted and distant, the banal comments used to elicit a response from an inexperienced and forgiving audience. And ultimately, there was little to appreciate onstage other than tasteful interior design — a bold curtain backdrop and mood lighting! — and a band that adequately performed songs that sounded OK, yet not too removed from the way they are on record.

To make matters worse, the entire tempo of the relatively brief show — 90 minutes — was flat, with seemingly zero interest to pump things up or change the mood of the evening. Even a mash-up with B.o.B. hit Airplanes and Lavigne’s own My Happy Ending was tossed off with an utter lack of cheeky joy or acknowledgment that it was something different.

Because it wasn’t. Because, sadly, she isn’t. And, even sadder, doesn’t appear to want to be.

And if there was any real question about her inability, or perhaps fear, of moving on and leaving a dwindling young fan base behind, her trio of opening acts and their equally as grade-schoolcentric cack and preteen pandering cemented the deal.

www.calgaryherald.com/entertainment/music/Review+gallery+time+grew+Avril+Lavigne/5535403/story.html

[HEADOFTHEPACK]

She really has just become a parody of herself.

[tamed09]

Avril will be fine, and as far as her growing up I have a hard time picturing Avril making only AC music at 27.

[killingtime2k4]

Avril Lavigne: lost in Wonderland?

“No one was seeing eye to eye.”

Avril Lavigne is on the phone from Calgary, speaking about the rough experiences involved in making her latest album, Goodbye Lullaby, released after much delay last March.

“There was a lot of fighting and going back and forth,” she continues. “I don’t think it was good for the record or for me and the creative process.”

The album’s contrasting styles suggest the source of her frustration. Swedish pop maestro Max Martin (who cashes cheques signed by people named Britney, Ke$ha and Pink) collaborated on four bubble-gummed tracks, including the bratty lead single, What the Hell.

Lavigne, coming off a divorce with Sum 41 rocker Deryck Whibley, resisted what she saw as her label’s desire for more rhythmic material. She instead wanted songs that were personal and acoustic, with her voice higher in the mix. We hear that on the strummed Wish You Were Here and the album-closing Goodbye, a poignant ballad written and produced by Lavigne. “I did my best,” she says. “And it’s all good now.”

Or is it? In some Canadian cities, Lavigne’s current Black Star tour has been drawing pitifully small audiences – an estimated 4,000 (mostly) kids and mothers at Rogers Arena in Vancouver on Oct. 3, and 6,000 at Calgary’s Saddledome this week. Those are cavernous arenas that can hold several times that many concertgoers. Some of the reviews have been harsh, too, asking when Lavigne, the 27-year-old pop star who once skateboarded the friendly streets of Napanee, Ont., was finally going to grow up.

It’s a good question. She is trying to mature, it appears, but her (now former) record label, RCA, didn’t seem to have much interest in seeing Lavigne outgrow her snotty Sk8er Boi image. Something like last year’s Alice in Wonderland soundtrack song, Alice – an emotive ballad in the style of Chantal Kreviazuk – is the path the singer-songwriter would herself like to follow.

Major labels, though, aren’t generally in the business of fostering careers. They mine the trends, loving the pop-sexy, not the long-term artistry. It’s the business.

But if growing old with your audience is challenging, it’s not impossible. In the industry, it’s called “pulling a George Michael,” a reference to the British singer’s jump from bleach-blond Wham! singer to the more mature artist who made Faith and Freedom. The video for the latter was clear in its message: To create a fresh new image, you have to do some tearing down and blowing up.

Thing is, it might be too late for Lavigne. “I’ll win the race, keep up with the pace,” she sings on Alice. But Lavigne is stuck in limbo, in danger of being left behind altogether. On tour and on her new album, she’s playing to children even as she attempts to grow up. Like Alice, one pill makes her smaller while the other one makes her tall.

“I think she’s stuck,” says Eric Alper, a veteran of the industry, who looks after media relations and label acquisitions at eOne Music Canada, a leading record distributor. “She’s stuck in an area, knowing why people liked her in the past, and she’s not leaving that area.” Alper and eOne tend to work with older, established artists. “She needs to do what she wants to do,” he advises, “but I don’t think she’s there yet.”

Lavigne exploded in 2002 as a 17-year-old pop-punk princess with her album Let Go and its breakthrough single, Complicated. Her follow-up records, Under My Skin and The Best Damn Thing, sold awfully well. She has diversified into fragrances and fashion. She’s massive in Asia.

So, no bake sales yet to raise money for Lavigne. But her original girly fans are in their 20s now, not too likely to place Avril posters in dorm rooms. Recruit fresh middle-schoolers, you say? Not likely either: The Glow Stick crowd has its own heroes – the Lady Gagas and Katy Perrys of the pop sphere.

When asked about recruiting new audiences or keeping old ones, the singer sounds puzzlingly unfocused. “I don’t really think about that kind of stuff,” she acknowledges much too readily. “I make my music. I go on tour. I work really hard. I do the best that I can do.”

This is an artist who needs guidance. She left her Vancouver-based management, Nettwerk, in 2009. “When you think about it, none of Nettwerk’s artists ever really grow,” says veteran music journalist Larry LeBlanc, perhaps overstating the case, but pointing to other former Nettwerk acts such as the Barenaked Ladies. “Even Sarah McLachlan: How much did she really change or grow when she was there?”

This summer, Lavigne moved to the Epic label from RCA, where, says the singer, she had never been a good fit. “They didn’t really try to understand me. These were business people trying to … discourage me. It’s not helpful.”

“They tried to dress her up,” says LeBlanc, presumably referring to the lavishly posed cover shot on Goodbye Lullaby, “but I’m not sure where they take her.”

Where to take her is the decision of Epic, the label now run by L.A. Reid, the man who signed Lavigne to the now-defunct Arista Records way back in 2000. Listening to Lavigne, it sounds as if she and Epic will start with a relatively fresh slate. “I’m not really sure what I have in store for my next album,” says the star. “I never really think about it until I’ve started the project and I’m in it.”

That kind of short-sightedness doesn’t tend to serve recording artists well, according to Alper. “If you want to be an artist with a career, you have to be looking one to two albums down the road, because their audience might not be there any more as the artist grows up.”

George Michael is not the only recording artist to successfully move up in weight class. Michael Jackson disappeared as a child and came back a few years later the king of pop. After leaving boy band ’N Sync, Justin Timberlake expertly matured as an artist.

Justin Bieber is making the moves of a teen idol in it for the long, long run. His upcoming Christmas album pairs him on duets with such older artists as Mariah Carey, Usher and Boyz II Men, the R&B group whose name, fittingly, describes the formidable professional trick Bieber is attempting to achieve.

As for Lavigne, she might not possess the talent and savvy of Timberlake, Bieber and Jackson. Very few do. Still, she puts on a brave face, saying that the tour is going well and that she’s playing to “thousands of people.”

The poor attendance is an alarm bell, but it isn’t just about the money. “It can shake an artist’s confidence playing to empty arenas, and it can destroy their career,” says Alper. “It can lead to horrible shows, and you start second-guessing yourself. You start thinking ‘Maybe this isn’t what people want to hear.’ ”

On Alice, Lavigne sounded a defiant note: “When I fall and hit the ground,” she sang, “I will turn myself around.” In the real world, that’s easier said than done. Rabbit holes, after all, can be deep.

www.theglobeandmail.com/news/arts/music/avril-lavigne-lost-in-wonderland/article2201335/page1/

[Rumors]

It looks like the media is really dumping on her...maybe a little too harshly but they aren't saying anything different than what several of us having been saying. Her comments don't really paint her as a very intelliegent person either. She's not doing anything to help herself mature with her audience. And to the poster above who said she's not ready to make AC music I think you missed the point. There's a very big difference from becoming a career, muture artist with talent than strictly making "AC" music. What is AC music anyway? Look at the current chart, it looks like it contains songs from many current and successful artists to me.

Bottom line....if she has the writing and vocal chops that many of you say she has, she'll probably be fine. If it's been more smoke and mirrors all along (i.e., comments on the velvetrope) then she probably won't be someone performing in even theaters when she is in her 30s. Even the teens in Asia might lose interest by then.

[reidster]

We're still on Goodbye Lullaby. Single #3 is coming out November 1st. This thread is way to premature.

[Snowbeast]

Oct 15, 2011 9:46:39 GMT -5 reidster said:

We're still on Goodbye Lullaby. Single #3 is coming out November 1st. This thread is way to premature.

I don't think it is. She said WYWH is the last single, and a new project is being started in January.

[stephenn17]

Billboard:

As Lavigne's new single, "Wish You Were Here" (lyrics in video above may not be appropriate for all viewers) from her latest album, "Goodbye Lullaby," is bubbling under the Nielsen BDS-based Pop Songs and Adult Pop Songs radio airplay charts, let's recap her career U.S. sales, according to SoundScan.

Here is how her four studio albums have sold:

6,788,000, "Let Go" (2002)
3,108,000, "Under My Skin" (2004)
1,654,000, "The Best Damn Thing" (2007)
277,000, "Goodbye Lullaby" (2011)

And, a rundown of her most-downloaded songs:

3.41 million, "Girlfriend"
1.71 million, "What the Hell"
1.41 million, "Keep Holding On"
1.09 million, "When You're Gone" (her biggest hit on the Italy Digital Songs chart, having reached No. 10 in 2007)
986,000, "My Happy Ending"
773,000, "Complicated"
641,000, "Sk8er Boi"
456,000, "I'm With You" (recently sampled in Rihanna's "Cheers (Drink to That)")
446,000, "Hot"
373,000, "Alice"

www.billboard.com/#/column/chartbeat/ask-billboard-what-are-the-best-selling-1005413232.story?page=2

[K.]

I think it's sad when an artist's debut single, released at the age of 18, is about 10,000x more mature than a lead single released nearly a decade later.

[reidster]

So I just got back from the show. It was a fun time, but not really what I wanted. I mean I guess she kind of has to do the hits because those are what she expect, but I really expected Push, Not Enough, Stop Standing There and/or Everybody hurts. I really can't believe they didn't do Push especially since Evan was there. Really she only did 4 songs from Goodbye Lullaby (WTH, Smile, WYWH and I Love You). Her voice was actually really good though, especially on Alice. Still not sure why she doesn't go for the runs on WYWH (ohhh daAAAAH AHHH aam ,in the last 50 seconds). I enjoyed most of it, but I think this will be the last time I actually get general admission tickets for her. There was actually enough people tonight, I'm guessing around 8,000. Good compared to what we've seen so far on the tour (heard Sudbury the night before was almost empty). I mean come on, did we really need to hear "He Wasn't" on tour yet again? Also surprised she did Don't Tell Me over Nobody's Home. Overall it was alright. I think she was happy that the arena (well parts that were open) were pretty much full, compared to some of the empty arenas shes been doing.

[killingtime2k4]

there were just 4000 in Ottawa, max capacity is 20.000
www.ottawacitizen.com/Concert+Review+Experienced+Lavigne+takes+charge+front+modest+crowd/5564312/story.html

[reidster]

Oct 18, 2011 7:35:35 GMT -5 killingtime2k4 said:

there were just 4000 in Ottawa, max capacity is 20.000
www.ottawacitizen.com/Concert+Review+Experienced+Lavigne+takes+charge+front+modest+crowd/5564312/story.html

Really? Well that's an estimate from a reporter. I think it was a bit higher, I'll wait to see official numbers. I mean the General Admission was pretty much full, as was the 100 level, but the 200 level might have been 1/2 or 1/3 full. the 300 level was closed off.

[Felicia]

killingtime stop trolling

[Felicia]

Avril sold out all her concerts in UK, Asia & South America so yeah. How about you troll on this?

[killingtime2k4]

Oct 18, 2011 9:21:28 GMT -5 Felicia said:

Avril sold out all her concerts in UK, Asia & South America so yeah. How about you troll on this?

when will you ever shut up? where are your sources for your claims?

"all her concerts in UK" lol there were just 3 shows in the UK, and no darlin, only one of them was sold out(Manchester). Have you not done your homework? Also, the venues were all SMALL. No 20k arenas. The Hammersmith Apollo is not the O2 Arena.
In Italy one show was just 1/3 filled, Avril played at small clubs in Russia, her only concert in Germany was in a tiny venue of just 3500(Palladium in Köln, not sold out), one of the two shows in Paris got cancelled because of low ticketsales and even that one wasn't sold out(<6000, The Zenith).
and see for yourself, her show in Bruxelles:


The arenas in Rio and SP were close to being sold out, yes, but those are BIG cities and Avril is popular there. The other venues were rather small (BH: 5500, Buenos Aires 6600). Have you even looked at the boxscores? In Brasilia 56% tickets sold, Santiago 62%. How can you call that tour "sold out"? I forgot what the ticketsales in Asia were like, but honestly I don't care.
And do you think they would want to turn Avril into an Asia/SouthAmerica-only artist?? There is no money to get for Epicrecords.

There is no tour in the US for OBVIOUS reasons. We don't have to talk about her last tour again with the half-empty arenas, opening for the Jonas Brothers and cancelled concerts after Avril got drunk in a nightclub, do we?
And look at it , the last time Avril was playing shows in California was in 2005.
Do you even realize how hard it will be for Avril on her next album?



BTW, what are you even trying to say?
That my claims are wrong?!? Sorry, but I can give you sources for everything. Now you are really disappointed right?

Save-On-Foods Memorial Centre, Victoria: 3649 / 9000
www.timescolonist.com/entertainment/Lavigne+gains+mature+voice/5489909/story.html?cid=megadrop_story

Rogers Arena, Vancouver: 4000 / 19000
www.vancouversun.com/entertainment/Review+Avril+Lavigne+makes+most+sparse+crowd+Vancouver/5497194/story.html

10.05.11 Prince George / CN Centre 2700 / 9000 i.imgur.com/bYoLX.jpg

Prospera Place, Kelowna: ~4000-5000(a guess from a friend who was there) / 8000

Rexall Place, Edmonton: 7000 / 13000
www.edmontonsun.com/2011/10/11/mellow-out-avril

Scotiabank Saddledome, Calgary: 4000-6000 / 20000
www.calgarysun.com/2011/10/12/sk8tr-girl-all-grown-up

Brandt Centre, Regina ???("sparse") / 7100
blogs.leaderpost.com/2011/10/14/lavignes-a-work-in-progress/
MTS Centre, Winnipeg 6800 / 16000
www.winnipegfreepress.com/breakingnews/Avril-queen-of-the-arm-pump-131904138.html

Sudbury Arena, Sudbury "pretty much empty" as someone said here / 5100

and again: Scotiabank Place, Ottawa 4000 / 20000
www.ottawacitizen.com/Concert+Review+Experienced+Lavigne+takes+charge+front+modest+crowd/5564312/story.html
Read up the max capacities on wikipedia

That are around 30% tickets sold. And don't be a fool, it doesn't matter if the upper ranks are closed or not, renting the venue costs still pretty much the same and Azoff, Avril's band, crew and entourage still get payed the same.


now show me what you have got for the "sold out tour" in Asia.