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Post by PDC1987 on Oct 28, 2011 21:01:30 GMT -5
You're confusing a person's net worth with them actually being useful people. And you have yet to provide actual examples. Hmmm... let's see... the party she did in the French Alps was attended by Bill Clinton and Steven Spielberg among others. We're talking about people in those kind of circles. Dig it and deal!  There's a difference between the people in attendance and the those who organize the events. ;) |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2011 21:19:32 GMT -5
J.lo is definitely the bigger star overall but in terms of solely music career (as Christina is limited to just this front), Christina has made more impact musically than she has. I think when most people think of Jlo now, her music career isn't really what pops up first. *cue where is J.lo's cultural rank thread* IA with the fact that Christina was always outshined by someone else though. Back in 2003, it seemed like she was competing with Kelly Clarkson and well, Kelly has done more since then than Christina so..... Totally disagree, especially since she just got the biggest hit of her career with On The Floor. J.Lo was always known as the triple threat. So I think that's what pops into people's mind when they hear her name. The actress/singer/dancer. And I don't feel as if Christina made a bigger impact on music than Jen did. Jen has far more memorable singles and Jen was able to be successful in both Latin pop/dance and R&B. Eh, I see OTF as her highest peaking song...but definitely not her biggest or most memorable hit. It's like "Womanizer" for Britney - charted higher than majority of her classics despite not making much of an impact itself. "Love Dont Cost A Thing" and "I'm Real" seem like they packed more punch. I'm not really disagreeing with you btw, Jlo is more relevant and more memorable than Christina is in the industry but I don't think her music alone is the cause for it. I think they made almost equal impacts musically, the winning factor going to Jlo for the fact that she was smart to actually have a brand for her name like Beyonce and Britney. Movies, product lines, etc. It's really weird because with the lengthy breaks Christina took, you'd have thought she would have done something to build her brand up.... Even Jessica Simpson became a bigger brand and overall star than her.  |
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Post by Luckie Starchild on Oct 28, 2011 21:22:15 GMT -5
Hmmm... let's see... the party she did in the French Alps was attended by Bill Clinton and Steven Spielberg among others. We're talking about people in those kind of circles. Dig it and deal! There's a difference between the people in attendance and the those who organize the events. ;) So Bill Clinton and Steven Spielberg hang out with "morons," as you described them? |
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Post by Luckie Starchild on Oct 28, 2011 21:26:48 GMT -5
Totally disagree, especially since she just got the biggest hit of her career with On The Floor. J.Lo was always known as the triple threat. So I think that's what pops into people's mind when they hear her name. The actress/singer/dancer. And I don't feel as if Christina made a bigger impact on music than Jen did. Jen has far more memorable singles and Jen was able to be successful in both Latin pop/dance and R&B. Eh, I see OTF as her highest peaking song...but definitely not her biggest or most memorable hit. It's like "Womanizer" for Britney - charted higher than majority of her classics despite not making much of an impact itself. "Love Dont Cost A Thing" and "I'm Real" seem like they packed more punch. I'm not really disagreeing with you btw, Jlo is more relevant and more memorable than Christina is in the industry but I don't think her music alone is the cause for it. I think they made almost equal impacts musically, the winning factor going to Jlo for the fact that she was smart to actually have a brand for her name like Beyonce and Britney. Movies, product lines, etc. It's really weird because with the lengthy breaks Christina took, you'd have thought she would have done something to build her brand up.... Even Jessica Simpson became a bigger brand and overall star than her. Uh-huh... so do you also rank Paris Hilton above Joni Mitchell? |
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Post by Fat Ass Kelly Price on Oct 28, 2011 21:29:34 GMT -5
Yes.
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Post by Luckie Starchild on Oct 28, 2011 22:00:14 GMT -5
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Post by think pink. on Oct 29, 2011 10:53:35 GMT -5
Totally disagree, especially since she just got the biggest hit of her career with On The Floor. J.Lo was always known as the triple threat. So I think that's what pops into people's mind when they hear her name. The actress/singer/dancer. And I don't feel as if Christina made a bigger impact on music than Jen did. Jen has far more memorable singles and Jen was able to be successful in both Latin pop/dance and R&B. Eh, I see OTF as her highest peaking song...but definitely not her biggest or most memorable hit. It's like "Womanizer" for Britney - charted higher than majority of her classics despite not making much of an impact itself. "Love Dont Cost A Thing" and "I'm Real" seem like they packed more punch. I'm not really disagreeing with you btw, Jlo is more relevant and more memorable than Christina is in the industry but I don't think her music alone is the cause for it. I think they made almost equal impacts musically, the winning factor going to Jlo for the fact that she was smart to actually have a brand for her name like Beyonce and Britney. Movies, product lines, etc. It's really weird because with the lengthy breaks Christina took, you'd have thought she would have done something to build her brand up.... Even Jessica Simpson became a bigger brand and overall star than her. Oh I agree with you. I don't think On The Floor is Jen's MOST memorable or signature song. But it definitely is another classic pop song and another classic/memorable song from her to add to her catalogue. My comment with On The Floor was more about how her music is still very much at the forefront of people's thoughts when they hear her name. I agree with the second part of your comment as well but Christina does have her own fragrance line. She just hasn't had nearly the same success the others have had with theirs. There just doesn't seem to be much interest in her as a person or a brand. The others have that "it" factor about them, she doesn't. |
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Post by Luckie Starchild on Oct 29, 2011 11:19:37 GMT -5
I agree with the second part of your comment as well but Christina does have her own fragrance line. She just hasn't had nearly the same success the others have had with theirs. There just doesn't seem to be much interest in her as a person or a brand. Well, you seem interested in her... you can't seem to stop talking about her. |
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Post by think pink. on Oct 29, 2011 11:30:31 GMT -5
I agree with the second part of your comment as well but Christina does have her own fragrance line. She just hasn't had nearly the same success the others have had with theirs. There just doesn't seem to be much interest in her as a person or a brand. Well, you seem interested in her... you can't seem to stop talking about her. Can I just pre-emptively add that 'you're talking about her, she's got your mind. LEGEND', does not count as a contribution. |
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Post by Fat Ass Kelly Price on Oct 29, 2011 11:40:07 GMT -5
I agree with the second part of your comment as well but Christina does have her own fragrance line. She just hasn't had nearly the same success the others have had with theirs. There just doesn't seem to be much interest in her as a person or a brand. Well, you seem interested in her... you can't seem to stop talking about her. I don't understand why you continue to just embarrass yourself up and down this thread? |
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Post by Luckie Starchild on Oct 29, 2011 11:43:09 GMT -5
Well, you seem interested in her... you can't seem to stop talking about her. I don't understand why you continue to just embarrass yourself up and down this thread? Says the person who equates tabloid coverage with cultural impact. |
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Post by like2throw on Oct 29, 2011 11:46:19 GMT -5
this thread a mess.
nobody gives a shit about christina aguilera outside of these diva infested forums.
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Post by horchata on Oct 29, 2011 11:51:09 GMT -5
Always seems like the terms "fact" and "legend" get used and abused when speaking of Christina on this site... it's a little nauseating.
Christina imo hasn't really been major (and even this could be termed loosely) since like 2006 and even then she was kinda like the "other" step sister of the pop music princesses. I always thought Christina (granted her vocals are superior to Britney) was on the lower tier while Britney was the it girl in the early 2000s and so on. I swear ever since Moves Like Jagger has come around, which in reality is more Maroon 5 than her.... people keep riding on this false ideal that she is back and swinging or something. Bionic as a whole was a mess, let's call a spade a spade. Sure Christina has television on her side with the Voice (which might I add, I thought she was an awful mentor) and Burlesque, but really that doesn't help her so called legend label. Last time she seemed to have her s**t together on a cohesive and musical front is her Back To Basics era. I don't think Christina will ever be a true "legend" so to say. I'm not writing her off, but people overrate the actual trajectory of her career on here... well some of her ride or die stans do.
I also fail to see how people with money paying for a private gig from her adds any validity to the question at hand. Lots of people with money pay for very stupid things, just means someone was very stupid to pay seven figures to hear her sing.
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Post by Luckie Starchild on Oct 29, 2011 12:03:24 GMT -5
I don't think Christina will ever be a true "legend" so to say. I'm not writing her off, but people overrate the actual trajectory of her career on here... well some of her ride or die stans do. In terms of trajectory, Roberta Flack is definitely a legend and at Christina's age, she hadn't even released her first album. The point being Christina has already accomplished a lot at this point in her career. I really wish there were more people on Pulse knew about music history; the frame of reference here is sooo limited. |
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Post by Fat Ass Kelly Price on Oct 29, 2011 12:18:14 GMT -5
If you're calling Christina a legend, I believe you're the one in need of education. I don't understand why you continue to just embarrass yourself up and down this thread? Says the person who equates tabloid coverage with cultural impact. Now you're just pulling s**t out of your ass. Please tell me where I ever stated that. |
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Post by horchata on Oct 29, 2011 12:21:34 GMT -5
I don't think Christina will ever be a true "legend" so to say. I'm not writing her off, but people overrate the actual trajectory of her career on here... well some of her ride or die stans do. In terms of trajectory, Roberta Flack is definitely a legend and at Christina's age, she hadn't even released her first album. The point being Christina has already accomplished a lot at this point in her career. I really wish there were more people on Pulse knew about music history. I don't recall saying Christina hasn't accomplished anything... I just even gave her some credit. However, she is not a legend in my opinion. You can think she is until you are blue in the face for all I care, but she hasn't accomplished enough and has had some inconsistencies for me to consider her as being one. Roberta Flack has been around the block for awhile and not sure why she is even being thrown into the discussion in the first place. . . age has nothing to do with the point I am even making in the first place, it's a terrible comparison actually. Just because someone doesn't call Christina a legend, doesn't mean they are dismissing what she has accomplished thus far, the term legend shouldn't be thrown around so easily though either. What a rich comment, btw. I wish you knew music history and what you are talking about instead of being so blind and biased but you see how that is working out lmfao. You bring up these irrelevant counter arguments and try to spin things. I know more than you think. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2011 12:28:48 GMT -5
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guys, is it even worth it at this point?
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Post by Luckie Starchild on Oct 29, 2011 12:41:38 GMT -5
You bring up these irrelevant counter arguments and try to spin things. I'm not particularly interested in discussing perfume and hairdos and Jessica Simpson. I prefer to look at the big picture. |
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Post by dbhmr on Oct 29, 2011 12:59:00 GMT -5
Oh, Christina stans. Never change.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2011 14:09:19 GMT -5
this thread a mess. nobody gives a s**t about christina aguilera outside of these diva infested forums. Jesus. I don't agree with you very often, but in this case, I definitely do. It's only on these forums that these over-the-tops use "legend" so incredibly loosely and freely when referring to Christina. With the "impact" she's been making in the past year, the only things she's really noted for recently is the Superbowl flub, The Voice, and her weight. Nothing more, and nothing "legendary" by that at all, no matter how many foreign powers want to burn their money on having her perform a 4-song set of irrelevancy for them. #ohwell I guess the best way to sum up this thread... |
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Post by K. on Oct 29, 2011 14:46:31 GMT -5
Christina was never once "the biggest thing on the planet". Big? Yes. But like others have said in this thread, there was always someone out at the same time that was bigger and more successful. Hmm, Billboard says otherwise. Also, this list may be useful to this thread. I would assume it doesn't taken into account her success in 1998-99. I realize a lot of you are youngins and probably have trouble judging who was big 12 years ago.  |
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Post by Fat Ass Kelly Price on Oct 29, 2011 14:55:23 GMT -5
The charts don't really dictate who's necessarily the "biggest thing on the planet" though.
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Post by K. on Oct 29, 2011 14:56:11 GMT -5
The charts don't really dictate who's necessarily the "biggest thing on the planet" though. Of course not, but they are good for backing up opinions. |
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Post by PDC1987 on Oct 29, 2011 17:08:55 GMT -5
There's a difference between the people in attendance and the those who organize the events. ;) So Bill Clinton and Steven Spielberg hang out with "morons," as you described them? Bill nearly got himself impeached for cheating on his wife and Spielberg is a megalomaniac that hasn't directed a truly good movie since the Pleistocene. But that's besides the point, what I meant was your so-called "visionaries" that attend these functions are not the ones that pick the performers. And when it comes to private gigs, any schmuck with lots of money can hire any hasbeen that they personally still like. And none of this is relevant to the fact that Xtina is not highly regarded by the general public and is nowhere near being *any* sort of legend or icon. Massacring the national anthem in front of 100 million+ people is what got her more the most instantaneous press of anything in her career. |
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Post by PDC1987 on Oct 29, 2011 17:16:52 GMT -5
I don't think Christina will ever be a true "legend" so to say. I'm not writing her off, but people overrate the actual trajectory of her career on here... well some of her ride or die stans do. In terms of trajectory, Roberta Flack is definitely a legend and at Christina's age, she hadn't even released her first album. The point being Christina has already accomplished a lot at this point in her career. I really wish there were more people on Pulse knew about music history; the frame of reference here is sooo limited. For the second time in two days here I'm gonna have to say, I love the smell of fresh non-sequiturs in the morning. Commercial accomplishments and at what age they happen are not what makes a legend, sorry. Impact does, and that's where Xtina loses her relevance. Roberta may not have released her first album by the time she was Xtina's current age, but her output was vastly superior to and far more influential than Xtina's. Hence the difference. |
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Post by remix on Oct 29, 2011 17:18:13 GMT -5
Her vocals by default puts her above everyone.
Legend.
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Post by PDC1987 on Oct 29, 2011 17:22:14 GMT -5
Christina was never once "the biggest thing on the planet". Big? Yes. But like others have said in this thread, there was always someone out at the same time that was bigger and more successful. Hmm, Billboard says otherwise. So one year-end, genre-specific Billboard chart, covering just one country obviously, proves that Xtina was #1 at some point? Overall she was always playing 2nd fiddle to someone. Britney, Pink, Beyonce, Alicia, etc. That's not to say she wasn't successful, but she was always in someone else's shadow. |
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Post by PDC1987 on Oct 29, 2011 17:23:12 GMT -5
Her vocals by default puts her above everyone. Legend. Well that settles it then! HAZZAH! |
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Post by Luckie Starchild on Oct 29, 2011 17:58:31 GMT -5
In terms of trajectory, Roberta Flack is definitely a legend and at Christina's age, she hadn't even released her first album. The point being Christina has already accomplished a lot at this point in her career. I really wish there were more people on Pulse knew about music history; the frame of reference here is sooo limited. For the second time in two days here I'm gonna have to say, I love the smell of fresh non-sequiturs in the morning. I can bring up Roberta. We don't always have to talk about Britney in Christina threads... quite frankly, that discussion is sooo predictable, naive, backward-thinking, narrow-minded, thick-headed and boring. Do not allow yourself to be so easily manipulated by the mainstream media. Think outside the box, learn to think for yourself. Do not be brainwashed. Forget about what society says is or isn't or what can or cannot be. Buy generic laundry detergent! Quit trying to conform! |
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Post by repentyourself on Oct 29, 2011 18:30:06 GMT -5
Her vocals by default puts her above everyone. Legend. Nope sis, sorry. |
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