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Post by countrygirl918 on Nov 9, 2013 23:01:37 GMT -5
Honestly, at least half of what gets played on country radio these days is extremely pop-influenced. I don't think that's the reason for Carrie's snubs, and if it is then it's a major double-standards for her to be penalized for it when her peers who do the same thing are not.
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Post by Typo on Nov 9, 2013 23:26:05 GMT -5
These people do not give a s**t about the state of country music. This is how you win at the CMAs: Following the show, Shelton attended an election-themed after party in his honor at the arena. A large white tent was erected inside the venue on a separate floor from the stage and guests, including Reba McEntire, "Nashville" actors Will Chase and Eric Close and well over 100 music industry types were greeted by an Uncle Sam character on stilts. Party goers were given red, white and blue buttons decorated with stars and stripes emblazoned with Shelton's name to remind them to vote for the singer for the November CMA Awards. [Source]
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Post by countrygirl918 on Nov 10, 2013 1:17:10 GMT -5
These people do not give a s**t about the state of country music. This is how you win at the CMAs: Following the show, Shelton attended an election-themed after party in his honor at the arena. A large white tent was erected inside the venue on a separate floor from the stage and guests, including Reba McEntire, "Nashville" actors Will Chase and Eric Close and well over 100 music industry types were greeted by an Uncle Sam character on stilts. Party goers were given red, white and blue buttons decorated with stars and stripes emblazoned with Shelton's name to remind them to vote for the singer for the November CMA Awards. [Source] Wow, how tacky is that?! Although it may cost her awards, I for one am glad Carrie does not participate in things like that. She lets her music speak for itself, which I think is quite honorable especially in this day and age.
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Post by leilamaurizia on Nov 10, 2013 8:46:58 GMT -5
Considering that Carrie isn't a member of the "popular kids" clique, even if she had done stuff similar to that, she might still have not won. Just consider the fact that Luke Bryan who can sell out Madison Square Garden in 5 minutes and who sold 528,000 copies of his album in its first week was SHUT OUT. He didn't get a standing O either. Compare: Blake Shelton's 2011 album, Red River Blue, was his FIRST platinum album in his entire career and just started headlining tours in bigger venues when he got famous on The Voice and is still not known as a touring monster. He got a standing O. Was his performance so outstanding that it deserved a standing O? No. Jason Aldean, who's been huge, was shut out too and didn't get a standing O either.
There's really no point dissecting the reasons/merits behind why one won or lost. If you're not a shiny new penny (a la Kacey Musgraves), it's just a matter of being one of the popular kids AND having the big, influential people (Blackstock or Borchetta) pushing for you. Overton is a non-entity. During Galante's time, the consistent winners were Kenny Chesney, Brad Paisley and Carrie (Sony was king). Now, the only winner in the entire Sony Nashville label group for the past post-Galante years-- Miranda Lambert because well... you can fill in the blank.
It's also the passage of eras. I'm sure during Galante's time, the others were cursing his name and Sony. It's just sad and unfair because Carrie (and similarly, Brad and Kenny) will likely never win again. Brad wasn't even nominated, the first time that happened since 1999!
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Post by jenglisbe on Nov 10, 2013 12:30:24 GMT -5
^^ Playing devil's advocate: Taylor is commercially one of the best things ever to happen to country music, since she did start as a country artist, has the largest fanbase, single/album sales, touring sales, etc. from any country artist (and virtually any genre artist) in the past decade and may have brought some of her fanbase and spotlight onto the country genre as a whole. Additionally, whether or not you agree, Taylor is consistently more critically acclaimed than Carrie and her country singles are as "country"-sounding as Carrie's from her last era, IMO. I don't believe such things should be criteria for awards, but I wonder how the voting crowd sees things. Perhaps, Miranda's more traditionally country (less pop) sound is more appealing to these voters ? I don't think what I am about to say has much to do with Carrie losing industry awards, but I will say one difference between Carrie and Taylor is that Swift owns her pop stardom. Taylor doesn't claim to be country, and she works with producers outside of Nashville. Carrie does make pop country, but she also has tended to project an image of staying country. To the end it can cause some resentment from people who know she makes pop country.
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Post by Mack on Nov 10, 2013 13:00:37 GMT -5
These people do not give a s**t about the state of country music. This is how you win at the CMAs: Following the show, Shelton attended an election-themed after party in his honor at the arena. A large white tent was erected inside the venue on a separate floor from the stage and guests, including Reba McEntire, "Nashville" actors Will Chase and Eric Close and well over 100 music industry types were greeted by an Uncle Sam character on stilts. Party goers were given red, white and blue buttons decorated with stars and stripes emblazoned with Shelton's name to remind them to vote for the singer for the November CMA Awards. [Source] Wow, how tacky is that?! Although it may cost her awards, I for one am glad Carrie does not participate in things like that. She lets her music speak for itself, which I think is quite honorable especially in this day and age. I don't think it's tacky. Blake's actions are no different than a politician putting up signs or airing a TV commercial to remind voters that he's in the running for a position, or an actor placing an ad in one of the trade papers asking for his peers' support at the Academy Awards, or even a high school kid hanging posters to publicize his nomination for the student council; it's called campaigning. Had Carrie handed out the aforementioned buttons instead, I'm sure you'd be praising her for being assertive.
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Post by countrygirl918 on Nov 10, 2013 13:51:21 GMT -5
Wow, how tacky is that?! Although it may cost her awards, I for one am glad Carrie does not participate in things like that. She lets her music speak for itself, which I think is quite honorable especially in this day and age. I don't think it's tacky. Blake's actions are no different than a politician putting up signs or airing a TV commercial to remind voters that he's in the running for a position, or an actor placing an ad in one of the trade papers asking for his peers' support at the Academy Awards, or even a high school kid hanging posters to publicize his nomination for the student council; it's called campaigning. Had Carrie handed out the aforementioned buttons instead, I'm sure you'd be praising her for being assertive. I guess I just think the whole premise of campaigning that heavy-handedly is tacky. I understand that's the way it works in the industry, but that doesn't mean I have to like it.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2013 16:04:31 GMT -5
I think there are many reasons for Carrie's ETOY snubs; there is not a simple, singular reason why she's been overlooked so many times.
I think the argument that's she's 'too pop' is falling on deaf ears, at this point. Although I respect her for not wanting to remix her music, she definitely misses out on a huge opportunity to have crossover smashes that will get her noticed, both inside and outside the world of country music. I think if she did remix and cater to the pop fans more exclusively, she would perhaps pick up a bigger international following, and therefore her influence might be more difficult to ignore. But because Carrie has made it clear she isn't interested in remixing or aggressively catering to pop fans, she loses out on the airplay and sales boosts that could help get her noticed come awards show time.
While people can argue that her music is already quite pop and may appeal to fans of pop music (ala "Good Girl," "Cowboy Casanova," etc), she's at a disadvantage if she's tying to appeal to that audience, but cannot receive the extra exposure/boost to go along with it that could help boost her profile. It doesn't really matter if she's trying to appeal to pop fans because pop radio will not play her if she doesn't remix her music. She's stuck in between a rock and a hard place when it comes to her stylistic choices.
Secondly, while Carrie's consistently impressive ticket sales, album sales, and overall superstar status cannot be argued, she's been around for eight years now; voters eventually move on, and are obviously more interested in rewarding the newer artists that are being aggressively pushed to gain more support in the industry. During the "Some Hearts" era, there was nobody bigger than her, and she had an impressive crossover smash with BHC. Her success and numbers could not be ignored; now Taylor's got her numbers beat, and she's in a more comfortable, stable position when it comes to her success. She's still doing extremely well, but there are many artists who are consistent hitmakers who aren't awarded, either. I think Carrie is overlooked partly because she's not the new face anymore, and there's no reward for steady success.
Third, as many have already mentioned, Carrie is not in the "cool kids" clique in Nashville, and she makes it pretty clear she wants to let her label do their job, instead of getting involved in campaigning for herself. That's a personal choice, but I'm sure it might hurt her visibility in some sense, and if she's already fizzled out with the voters as it is, she's going to lose even more support if she doesn't choose to make a case for herself when it comes to winning awards.
I might be in the minority here, but I suspect Carrie's visibility/respect among voters may not be as big as everyone originally suspected. Even during her biggest era, when she was outselling everyone with "Some Hearts," she never received the most nominations at the ACM's or CMA's; I think if Carrie's network of support was once so big among voters, she should have easily been the most nominated artists back when she was smashing the competition. If Kacey Musgraves can receive EIGHT nominations off the strength of one top ten single and so-so album sales, I find it impossible to believe Carrie, who sold 7 million albums, a huge crossover smash, a six week number one debut single, could not easily eclipse her peers and at least receive several huge nominations early in her career.
Carrie doesn't have the backing she needs for these awards shows (ala Borchetta and Overton), she's not interested in being chummy with them to win a few awards, and she's been around so long voters may just see her as a superstar who's simply 'there.' She's great, she's successful, but she certainly doesn't need the push, and she has a disadvantage not being a fresh face. She refuses to play the game, she doesn't market herself aggressively, and she's not in with the right people. Basically, I think Carrie has stuck to her convictions, and whether she realizes it or not, that hurts her when it comes to awards. She's respected for it, but unless she becomes more aggressive (which I don't think/hope she ever will), IMO her chances of winning awards are gone.
Lastly, I think Blake campaigning for himself so heavily is extremely tacky. Without "The Voice" or awards show voters, Blake Shelton would not be considered the 'superstar' awards voters consider him to be. He has to campaign, because when awards/publicity fades away, Blake won't have the album sales, touring numbers, or relevance to back him up. IMO, it's becoming obvious Blake thinks all these awards make him the artist he is, when in reality, the awards will fade eventually. Awards mean nothing, and if you don't have anything else to back you up, it'll become even more of a joke when Blake finds out his luck has run out. What's the point of campaigning for an award so heavily when no one will even remember who won or who was nominated a few years down the line? IMO, Blake campaigns so heavily because he knows these awards voters are keeping him in the spotlight; once that goes away, he goes back to being a judge on a reality show.
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Post by carrieidol1 on Nov 10, 2013 18:12:17 GMT -5
^ Excellent post, I couldn't agree more with everything that was said! It's definitely a mix of all the different points you made. I'd like to believe, though, that Carrie will be able to do something big enough to gain the support of voters for at least one EOTY nomination at some point. I hope and pray for it, but I definitely don't expect it. Vote for Carrie, guys! The poll closes at midnight. tasteofcountry.com/taylor-swift-vs-carrie-underwood-hottest-country-star-of-2013-round-2/?3
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Post by Typo on Nov 12, 2013 22:22:05 GMT -5
New promo spots for The Sound of Music:
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Post by bornfearless2000 on Nov 12, 2013 23:30:13 GMT -5
CHART DATE: 11/11/2013 LAST UPDATE: 11/12/2013 12:49:36 NOW IN: FINAL
-- 46 CARRIE UNDERWOOD 19/RCA NASHVILLE 7,238 -- BLOWN AWAY
YAY!!!! Thanks to CMA and itunes discount. Hopefully they will keep discounting the album!! :)
EDIT : Thanks to Tee from CF.com , i just knew that Eminem mentioned Carrie's name in one of his songs.
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Post by carrieidol1 on Nov 12, 2013 23:54:21 GMT -5
Carrie sounds so elegant and classically trained in those promos, I'm loving it! It's nice that she's getting some vocal training, I'm sure she'll take a few things she learns and apply them to future projects/performances/tours/etc... What a great thing all around, and I truly cannot wait!
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Post by desertfloods on Nov 13, 2013 0:02:59 GMT -5
For international fans who can't view the links above
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Post by lookinghot on Nov 13, 2013 11:45:47 GMT -5
[songe author=" bornfearless2000" source="/post/4545558/thread" timestamp="1384317013"]CHART DATE: 11/11/2013 LAST UPDATE: 11/12/2013 12:49:36 NOW IN: FINAL -- 46 CARRIE UNDERWOOD 19/RCA NASHVILLE 7,238 -- BLOWN AWAY YAY!!!! Thanks to CMA and itunes discount. Hopefully they will keep discounting the album!! :) EDIT : Thanks to Tee from CF.com , i just knew that Eminem mentioned Carrie's name in one of his songs. [/quote] What sing
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Post by Typo on Nov 13, 2013 16:19:53 GMT -5
This one:
You used to be my Carrie Underwood, I was your lumberjack But I can't stomach this, I'm leaving you, I'm not coming back She said "The f**k with that, where's my Louisville Slugger at?!" She grabbed that f**king bat and swung it at my head...
I mean...it's free promo, I guess.
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Post by zaclord 🌈 on Nov 13, 2013 19:57:04 GMT -5
There is an edition of the comic book Fame dedicated to Carrie Underwood and it came out today! Description: "What happens when a small town girl will stop at nothing to follow her dreams? Carrie Underwood is what happens. A story of faith, determination and inspiration. FAME: The Carrie Underwood Story follows the Superstar’s trials and tribulations, leading her to become the top female performer of our era." www.comicfleamarket.com/servlet/the-539/Fame-cln--Carrie-Underwood-(PRE-dsh-ORDER/Detail
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Post by TFMachado on Nov 13, 2013 20:34:14 GMT -5
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Post by Typo on Nov 14, 2013 20:10:24 GMT -5
The Making of "The Sound of Music Live!" airs November 27th at 8 PM EST on NBC.
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Post by dbhmr on Nov 15, 2013 18:10:46 GMT -5
Oh s**t they paired her with Audra? She is a phenomenal, strictly-broadway-voiced legend in musical theater. Her voice is stunningly gorgeous, and built for this kind of song in a way that Carrie's is not. Carrie sounds good and has clearly changed the way she sings, but pairing it with someone who has been trained for this all their life really highlights the differences. It'd be like Audra singing "Good Girl" with Carrie--it just calls for floor mopping.
Mostly, I wonder why it's a duet at all though? And what Audra's part could be...it's been a while since I've seen the movie but unless she's the Captain's love interest, I don't remember another big adult player or anyone else in that scene with Maria.
ETA: Ignorance alert--I guess it was a duet in the original play.
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Post by carrieidol1 on Nov 15, 2013 18:20:12 GMT -5
Carrie sounds INCREDIBLE. I love the full sound in her voice! With each commercial, audio clip, and tweet about this event, I get more and more excited! I can't believe she was chosen for this! I do feel that her lack of Broadway training will likely be evident throughout the production. BUT this isn't supposed to be a Broadway play, it's a television event paying homage to the original Broadway production. I have full confidence she'll be every bit as amazing as she sounds on that 30 second clip.
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Post by jenglisbe on Nov 15, 2013 18:25:39 GMT -5
The reality is most people aren't familiar with technical differences in styles of singing. And, if anything, Broadway-type singing alienates most people (there's a reaosn you don't hear that kind of singing in popular music). I know Audra is great and all, but I prefer the sound of Carrie's voice in that clip and think the general population will as well. It's why Carrie was chosen for this part.
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Post by dbhmr on Nov 15, 2013 18:47:40 GMT -5
The reality is most people aren't familiar with technical differences in styles of singing. And, if anything, Broadway-type singing alienates most people (there's a reaosn you don't hear that kind of singing in popular music). I know Audra is great and all, but I prefer the sound of Carrie's voice in that clip and think the general population will as well. It's why Carrie was chosen for this part. Good point. I think the reviews are going to be great, and the comments on those reviews are going to be vicious. And only one will really matter (unless she decides to pursue musical theater seriously--that group is as exclusive as the country crowd).
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Post by spencer on Nov 15, 2013 19:02:40 GMT -5
Just as a reminder, this is not the movie remake of the SOM it is an adaptation of the original stage production. Since I have not heard Mary Martin sing and Audra just now, it is clear that Audra like Julie Andrews is trained in classical (operatic) music. Why is it assumed that the song should be sung with a classical voice? I actually feel that it sounds better with Carrie's voice. But the fact of the matter is that the singers sing in the only voice they have which is 'their' voice. If I want things to be exactly like the movie or the play, then i'll watch the movie. And I also think that Carrie has a natural voice for the stage. Julie Andrews spoke in her natural dialect , British , and sang in the only way she could, classical, and not because the movie required it. Carries Underwood and all the others in this adaptation are doing the same. I know there are people who have trouble with 'change' but claiming that something is not good because it is different from an earlier version is just plain superficial. By the way, in the stage play, this song was done as a duet. The stage adaptation will also have songs that were not in the movie.
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Post by carrieidol1 on Nov 15, 2013 19:37:43 GMT -5
Just as a reminder, this is not the movie remake of the SOM it is an adaptation of the original stage production. Since I have not heard Mary Martin sing and Audra just now, it is clear that Audra like Julie Andrews is trained in classical (operatic) music. Why is it assumed that the song should be sung with a classical voice? I actually feel that it sounds better with Carrie's voice. But the fact of the matter is that the singers sing in the only voice they have which is 'their' voice. If I want things to be exactly like the movie or the play, then i'll watch the movie. And I also think that Carrie has a natural voice for the stage. Julie Andrews spoke in her natural dialect , British , and sang in the only way she could, classical, and not because the movie required it. Carries Underwood and all the others in this adaptation are doing the same. I know there are people who have trouble with 'change' but claiming that something is not good because it is different from an earlier version is just plain superficial. By the way, in the stage play, this song was done as a duet. The stage adaptation will also have songs that were not in the movie. I did hear, though, that Carrie was taking lessons for a dialect. I'm not sure if for a German/Austrian dialect or an English one?... But I remember reading she was working on that as well.
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Post by neally on Nov 15, 2013 19:39:14 GMT -5
Stephen Moyer Talks 'Scary' Sound of Music Gig, Marvels at Carrie Underwood's 'Fabulous' HairTVLine.com By Michael Ausiello November 14, 2013 7:46 AM TVLINE | Will there be a live audience? No. Everybody keeps going, “Can I come and see it?” I’m like, “There’s nothing to see!” [Laughs] It’s in a studio. The sets are amazing. Absolutely beautiful sets. TVLINE | How has it been working with Carrie? She’s lovely. She’s got fabulous hair — [which is] very important. [Laughs] She’s very keen and excited and willing to learn and she sings the s–t out of the songs. She’s been very open about what she’s good at and what she’s new to. So she’s very vocal about asking for help. tv.yahoo.com/news/stephen-moyer-talks-scary-sound-music-gig-marvels-154604208.html
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Post by spencer on Nov 15, 2013 20:29:09 GMT -5
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Love to know your source for the bit on Carrie working on acquiring a European dialect (German. Austrian,English). Unless of course you were kidding.
Why would she need one anyway.
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Post by carrieidol1 on Nov 15, 2013 20:48:51 GMT -5
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Post by countrygirl918 on Nov 15, 2013 21:07:07 GMT -5
Perhaps the dialect coach was just working with Carrie to mask her Southern accent?
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