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Post by areyoureadytojump on Jun 18, 2013 13:48:49 GMT -5
With the worldwide success of Daft Punk's new album due to Nile Rodgers, I think Chic has a very good chance of being nominated this year!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2013 13:49:37 GMT -5
Well I stated my reason. I also stated it as an opinion and not a fact. So that is about as far as I want to go with that
If any of us are still here and remember this discussion I will be more than pleased to state that I was wrong in 20+ years when we find out for sure.
In reality both Katy Perry/Lady Gaga are longshots
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2013 13:55:12 GMT -5
With the worldwide success of Daft Punk's new album due to Nile Rodgers, I think Chic has a very good chance of being nominated this year! A major criteria here is influence. So I agree
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Post by areyoureadytojump on Jun 18, 2013 14:03:58 GMT -5
The Hall of Fame needs to be reminded of greatness.
ABBA got in because Mamma Mia (the movie) was a huge hit.
Heart just got in because they tour and still sound great live. Contestants on singing shows sing Heart songs.
Niles to be in the public eye this year. His partner in Chic died years ago. I think Chic still tours to a degree.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2013 14:17:04 GMT -5
Interesting point. There is a bit of a cloud over what the selection process is about, from what I was reading.
Although I don't think touring does much to influence voters (Bon Jovi is not in) but the point about songs on reality shows and the Mamma Mia movie is good and probably true
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Post by Push The Button on Jun 18, 2013 14:24:06 GMT -5
The Hall also wants to sell tickets to the induction and have viewers tune in to the telecast - so inducting artists that have received some form of late publicity would help in that area.
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Post by MikeCheck12 on Jun 18, 2013 14:43:48 GMT -5
They need to shake things up a bit with Nomination Committee members. It's gotten a bit *ahem* stale.
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Post by renfield75 on Jun 18, 2013 15:56:38 GMT -5
With the worldwide success of Daft Punk's new album due to Nile Rodgers, I think Chic has a very good chance of being nominated this year! I hope they get more than a nomination, Chic has been nominated 6 or 7 times already (is that a record?). Stop being rock snobs, embrace their creativity, popularity, and lasting impact, and induct them already. Queen acknowledged their debt to "Good Times" with "Another One Bites The Dust," "Rapper's Delight" and rap in the mainstream owe a huge debt, and now Daft Punk is showing how Chic's style can sound just as vibrant on radio in the 21st century. It's too bad that so many members of the committee seem to be stuck in the "disco sucks" mentality and ignore the handful of acts from that era who truly made lasting contributions. Donna Summer should have lived to see her induction years ago.
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Post by HolidayGuy on Jun 18, 2013 17:12:09 GMT -5
Someone like Madonna transcends "dance act," though. Between the music, the videos, the stage shows and the cultural contributions (via the work), the genre was of no mind. And she was always very rock-and-roll in how she approached her work.
There are many deserving acts of yesteryear who should be considered/nominated/inducted. While never a critical darling, I want to see Pat Benatar given some thought- she definitely was influential.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2013 17:29:23 GMT -5
Someone like Madonna transcends "dance act," though. Between the music, the videos, the stage shows and the cultural contributions (via the work), the genre was of no mind. And she was always very rock-and-roll in how she approached her work. There are many deserving acts of yesteryear who should be considered/nominated/inducted. While never a critical darling, I want to see Pat Benatar given some thought- she definitely was influential. What Madonna is or isn't wasn't the point. Regardless of what Madonna 'transcends'. I mentioned Madonna and 'dance act' in the same sentence only to point out how few from the dance genre have crossed the barrier into the Rock Hall. As much of Madonna's music has found success on the dance chart it seems like a reasonable statement
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Post by swim on Jun 18, 2013 20:38:04 GMT -5
Someone like Britney is no where near close to a "lock." All you have to do is read the list of who is already in and it's fairly obvious she's going to have to have a career turn-a-round to be considered within the first five-ten years of her eligibility. And by then, there will be more influential artists she'll be competing against. I don't deny that she's had a career most pop stars would do anything for, but looking at some of the names before, during, and after her time, I think she's going to be on the FAR outside looking in.
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Post by Glove Slap on Jun 18, 2013 21:00:29 GMT -5
Except Katy's style is more disposable than any of the major pop stars, so... True, but this is not necessarily a negative. If one is smart, "disposable" can be turned to "malleable". Madonna was considered very disposable when she first hit it big, but she was able to adapt her act to suit the times as the years progressed. Most of her images were very disposable (the jewelry, the marilyn monroe hairdos, the OTT performance outfits, that earth mother phase), but as easily as those were thrown off, new ones were easily put on. The main issue with Lady Gaga at this point is that she has gone out of her way to marry the association of her and wacky costumes and performances in the public eye. Madonna never did this. She never went around saying she was actually a dominatrix during her scandalous days so when she wanted to put that behind her, the public eventually accepted her change. Say what you want about Katy, but she outperformed everyone's expectations, and the industry is largely a game of expectations. Lady Gaga on the other hand, set herself up for major disappointment with her last effort because she hyped it up to the point where attaining most of what she (or her "monsters") were talking about was virtually impossible. That said, with their careers up to now, neither has done enough to get in. If Gaga can stick around reasonably, I'd definitely give her the edge on getting in. I'm not sure about Pat Benatar, her niche is kinda covered by Fleetwood Mac and now Heart, but I can see her there eventually. I wouldn't be surprised to see Britney get in actually. Not anywhere near the first few years of eligibility, but the industry is growing warmer and warmer towards her in recent years, far more than could have been imaginable 10 years ago imo. She, and/or whoever is managing her business and legacy in the future, can definitely use that to their advantage.
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Post by MikeCheck12 on Jun 19, 2013 9:28:11 GMT -5
Madonna's in. Let's move on. lol
Pat Benatar is great, but I don't think she's necessarily Hall-worthy. And Britney has zero chance, in my opinion.
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Post by areyoureadytojump on Jun 19, 2013 10:48:01 GMT -5
^I think Pat Benatar should get in. She was one of the first big female rockers. She was one the first video artists. She tours constantly. She still sounds great live.
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Post by MikeCheck12 on Jun 19, 2013 12:24:41 GMT -5
^ Still not sure how "influential" she is/was. Anyone can "tour constantly". Hell, New Kids on the Block are touring again this summer. Does that make them worthy? ;)
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Post by Verisimilitude on Jun 19, 2013 12:37:13 GMT -5
^ Still not sure how "influential" she is/was. Anyone can "tour constantly". Even Mariah Carey, of all people has called Pat Benetar largely influential.
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Post by areyoureadytojump on Jun 19, 2013 12:46:48 GMT -5
^ Still not sure how "influential" she is/was. Anyone can "tour constantly". Hell, New Kids on the Block are touring again this summer. Does that make them worthy? ;) When she still sounds the same in 2013 as she did in 1979? Yes. Don't be a hater! lol
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Post by MikeCheck12 on Jun 19, 2013 14:12:48 GMT -5
I'm not being a hater at all. I love Pat Benatar and as I mentioned above, I think "she's great"! :) The Nomination Committee is who needs convincing .... not little old me.
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Post by HolidayGuy on Jun 19, 2013 14:16:15 GMT -5
Benatar's Greatest Hits has quotes/comments/from those who have named Pat as an influence. Though never a critical darling, I definitely think she's been influential.
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Post by MikeCheck12 on Jun 19, 2013 17:45:22 GMT -5
Sure, but with Bjork and PJ Harvey and Alanis Morissette and Sheryl Crow and Courtney Love (and on and on) becoming eligible, Pat will more than likely continue to be overlooked.
Kate Bush, anyone?
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Post by cking33 on Jun 19, 2013 19:00:13 GMT -5
A 'Tapestry' type album won't get you into the hall of fame. It didn't work for Carole King. As a singer Carole King did not make it Plus, sweeping the Grammys isn't really going to win over the Hall, either, as it's not really a barometer of the very best. I think if Carole wasn't already in as a songwriter, I bet she'd be in as an artist. The problem is her singing career is largely seen as "Tapestry" and then nothing else, because she couldn't duplicate the success or acclaim of that album -- even though she had many successful and well-received albums in the 70s and she has been recognized as an influence by many of today's artists, especially females. But I digress. She is already in as a songwriter, so it seems almost redundant to induct her again in another capacity, even if that has happened to others. I get it. My point re: Gaga and Bruno, they've already had a large amount of critical acclaim and appeal during their careers. An album on that level of a "Tapestry" or a "Jagged Little Pill" would only enhance their careers and that acclaim because it's coming in the middle of their careers. With JOP and "Tapestry," King and Morrisette essentially began their singing careers setting the bar enormously high and could never quite live up to that afterward. For Gaga and Bruno, releasing an album like that would be seen as growing and maturing as artists, taking them to another level of creativity and acclaim they haven't achieved yet. Jury is still out on Adele. Also, maybe one album doesn't get you in the Hall, but one song can get you in, just ask Percy Sledge! The voters must really, really like "When a Man Loves a Woman." :)
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Post by renfield75 on Jun 19, 2013 19:37:51 GMT -5
^ Well the committee is largely the boomer generation, and they've been cartoonishly partial to what they grew up with. I don't deny the 60s had the most amazing artists, but the Lovin' Spoonful and the Dave Clark Five have no business getting in when respected, influential acts like Chic, Depeche Mode, the Smiths, the Cure, and even Hall & Oates can't make it. As that generation ages and retires we'll start to see ice breaking with later acts (which may be Britney's only saving grace).
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Post by Keelzit on Jun 19, 2013 21:42:14 GMT -5
This might sound stupid but are the 'judges' or whatever these people are in the same level of musical education as the people in the Grammy comittee? I feel like these two go hand-in-hand.
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Post by HolidayGuy on Jun 19, 2013 21:54:26 GMT -5
Hall & Oates never was a big critical hit, either, but I'd have no problem with the guys getting recognized- I've enjoyed the music. Same for Chicago- perhaps now that Heart has been inducted (the band, like Chicago- had a slick, commercial 1980s era that may have hurt it in the past), Chicago may gets its due.
Chalis- the Rock Hall committee is 30-something people, and includes music journalists, industry executives, etc. Not sure how many comprise the NARAS committee. To me, the Hall has been more successful (though, like anything, it's not perfect) in recognizing the best than the Grammys (which never necessarily has been about "the best").
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2013 6:26:38 GMT -5
Re: Carole King, there are numerous instances of the same person being elected more than once. If the solo career warranted inclusion, it would have been
Just for fun the list(all in twice - except Eric Clapton who made it 3 times):
Eric Clapton (3 time inductee) Jeff Beck Johnny Carter David Crosby George Harrison Michael Jackson John Lennon Curtis Mayfield Paul McCartney Clyde McPhatter Graham Nash Jimmy Paige Paul Simon Rod Stewart Stephen Stills Sammy Strain Ronnie Wood Neil Young
Re Adele: The album may be big but it is not rock n roll, that makes her a long shot Re Pat Benetar: Still touring at age 60, will not add to a hall of fame resume, lots of artists still tour into their 60s
All others mentioned above: commercial hits are not a criteria
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Post by HolidayGuy on Jun 20, 2013 7:44:30 GMT -5
As noted, the music doesn't necessarily have to be "rock and roll"- but, yes, way too early to predict Adele's chances based on two albums.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2013 7:50:14 GMT -5
It doesn't but it needs to influence the development of rock n roll. The non rock acts that have been inducted have done that in some way.
Adele's music thus far has influenced what shows up on Glee but I think they may need more ;)
Barbra Streisand, Celine Dion, Whitney, etc. are likely not in for the same reason (if your genre is not rock, it seems you ened a little more)
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2013 8:13:07 GMT -5
One point I want to add to this discussion:
If this were the Pop Music Hall of Fame or the American Top 40 Hall of Fame more acts that people would expect to be in would likely be in.
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Post by Verisimilitude on Jun 20, 2013 8:17:41 GMT -5
The thing is, the term "Rock & Roll" is never taken as literally as the genre says. It's really meant to say since the Rock era, aka 1955.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2013 8:22:33 GMT -5
I don't think so, I posted the criteria (that they have published) in this thread
Rock and Roll is specifically mentioned, to me that does not imply all music released since 1955
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