someguy
Diamond Member
Joined: October 2003
Posts: 16,054
|
Post by someguy on Apr 8, 2013 20:59:25 GMT -5
"And then we'd find out if there's a change in radio's view of this song. It may be unlikely but it could happen. If it doesn't happen then, it's not going to happen at all and they may as well let the song go. Maybe an inspired live performance would help?" Would that be the ACM performance ;) Wow, I wasn't a big fan of this song; but that performance did win me over-I'm starting to like the feel of this song. I agree, her performance last night was excellent, and for me, the best of the night. It needs to get moving in a hurry though. It remains at #28, one shy of its #27 peak, but was basically flat in gains. One bad week will send it recurrent.
|
|
Zazie
5x Platinum Member
Joined: September 2003
Posts: 5,144
|
Post by Zazie on Apr 8, 2013 21:32:10 GMT -5
I got the first half of my request: the ACM performance was strong. Now for the second half: will radio notice? I think we'll know the answer in three days, or maybe two, or even one. If the song starts gaining strongly after a week of treading water, then that will be a sign. If it keeps on not-gaining, the performance will have gone unnoticed.
A delay works against the song. It needs an immediate reaction.
|
|
Focus
Diamond Member
"peace out my babies" ~ Kelly Hoodson tm yoKC ~ "hackers..You've been CLARKSONED"!
Joined: January 2005
Posts: 15,591
|
Post by Focus on Apr 8, 2013 21:50:41 GMT -5
courtesy bixblitz at the Kelly Clarkson Express...
In the Billboard Country Update (pdf), this is the 3rd week in a row that they've talked about the increased callout for this song. It's still a long road but hopefully this starts translating in some positive instead of being so stagnant.
"Kelly Clarkson builds strength week to week on her Vince Gill collaboration, “Don’t Rush,” and this week, adults 25-44 are central to the story at No. 9. Core 35-44s make it No. 10. Females are the driving gender at No. 1 and No. 8 favorite. Females 25-34 and core 35-44s are both at No.1, demonstrating strong appeal with female listeners"
|
|
spoonabdul3
Platinum Member
Joined: February 2009
Posts: 1,443
|
Post by spoonabdul3 on Apr 16, 2013 13:54:08 GMT -5
so has this made any significant moves since the ACMs? or is it done?
|
|
Zazie
5x Platinum Member
Joined: September 2003
Posts: 5,144
|
Post by Zazie on Apr 17, 2013 7:49:45 GMT -5
I'm impressed that this song can keep up the tiny gains. That can't be easy, moving up 75k every day and mixing in the occasional 50k drop. Must be the song's title that is inspiring this incremental movement.
On the 4/27 Billboard we had 24 songs with 10 million or more in audience, which is unusual. (Plus two songs in that range went recurrent.) Next week Rascal Flatts will drop well below 10 mill in its last chart week, Blake Shelton's lead single will go recurrent, and maybe Lee Brice will too (but probably not). And DR should pass Jana Kramer (heading to recurrent status?) on Billboard; it's already ahead of that one on MB.
But is that going to help? There's Luke Bryan, who almost debuted ahead of DR. There's Gary Allan, also moving slowly but not this slowly, about to pass. There's Carrie Underwood, not more than 2 weeks away from passing DR.
So this song can't gain much in audience and can't stay ahead of the songs behind it. Top 20 is no closer than it was six weeks ago. Frustrating.
|
|
spoonabdul3
Platinum Member
Joined: February 2009
Posts: 1,443
|
Post by spoonabdul3 on Apr 17, 2013 9:29:25 GMT -5
RCA I feel is really trying with this song, it may still take off i think. but radio may be waiting for a country single from Kelly that isnt "old school country sounding". if she releases an uptempo country feisty song, i think it will shoot straight up
|
|
Zazie
5x Platinum Member
Joined: September 2003
Posts: 5,144
|
Post by Zazie on Apr 17, 2013 10:18:19 GMT -5
Looking at the spins - and the same story shows up in the AI column - I was struck by the 1000-spin gap between #24 and #27 on this chart. Is that typically the case on the Country chart? It's not unusual to find a couple of big gaps on the country chart, but what's odd now -- very very unusual -- is the large number of songs with high spin/audience totals. Using Billboard numbers rather than MB (but you can easily translate), it's common to have about 20 songs at the 10 million impression level -- there might be 18, there might be 22 of them. But to have 24 to 26 such songs? That's unusual. And, focusing on the higher ranges, to have 15 songs with at least 20 million impressions? I'm pretty sure I've never seen that (or its equivalent in spins) happen, and I've been tracking the Billboard country chart for at least a thousand years. There's often a big gap between, say, #11 and 12 -- now we have big gaps between 7 and 8 and between 10 and 11, but the totals are just so high on both sides of the gap that it's indicative of something, some change in the air.
|
|
Deleted
Joined: January 1970
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2013 17:25:36 GMT -5
It's not unusual to find a couple of big gaps on the country chart, but what's odd now -- very very unusual -- is the large number of songs with high spin/audience totals. Using Billboard numbers rather than MB (but you can easily translate), it's common to have about 20 songs at the 10 million impression level -- there might be 18, there might be 22 of them. But to have 24 to 26 such songs? That's unusual. And, focusing on the higher ranges, to have 15 songs with at least 20 million impressions? I'm pretty sure I've never seen that (or its equivalent in spins) happen, and I've been tracking the Billboard country chart for at least a thousand years. There's often a big gap between, say, #11 and 12 -- now we have big gaps between 7 and 8 and between 10 and 11, but the totals are just so high on both sides of the gap that it's indicative of something, some change in the air. Yeah, and these numbers have been mind-boggling for a couple of weeks now. On the Billboard chart dated 3/30, Rascal Flatts hit #20 with 9.99 million in audience. They were lucky. They've been well above the 10 million mark since then, but have been stuck in the 21-23 range. Anyway, we obviously only had 19 songs above 10 million on the 3/30 chart, but then on the 4/6 chart, there were 25 songs above that threshold. And it peaked on the 4/13 chart, where the top 26 songs had 11 million or more, although the 4/20 chart had 25 songs above 12 million. Kip Moore was at #26 just 2 weeks ago (4/13 chart), with 11.7 million total. Now Jana Kramer is at #26, with 7.6 million, and Kelly is #27 with 7.4 million. But even so, the numbers are still crazy. That big group has now pushed a little higher and like you said, 15 songs above the 20 million mark? I've certainly never seen that. And that can't be good for all of them, going up at the same time like that. I don't know if it signifies a change in the winds at country radio, but it certainly seems to me like quite a few new artists have broken through lately, and there are more labels too...but no one is really losing much airplay. So that's why I'm worried about the older artists like George and Toby. RCA I feel is really trying with this song, it may still take off i think. but radio may be waiting for a country single from Kelly that isnt "old school country sounding". if she releases an uptempo country feisty song, i think it will shoot straight up I think it'd take a lot more than an uptempo song to get her a big hit at country radio. I think she'd probably have to make more than just 1 or 2 country-ish songs per album...she'd probably have to release at least an EP of country songs and go out on a radio tour to a lot of stations (that's what all new artists in the country genre do) to get people on board. Oh, and FYI, this song is being worked to country radio by Columbia Nashville (the label imprint that Kenny Chesney and Casey James are on), not RCA.
|
|
pnobelysk
Diamond Member
Joined: November 2009
Posts: 10,123
|
Post by pnobelysk on Apr 17, 2013 20:12:19 GMT -5
new peak of 87 on the hot 100 this week!
|
|
Zazie
5x Platinum Member
Joined: September 2003
Posts: 5,144
|
Post by Zazie on Apr 20, 2013 22:23:11 GMT -5
I finally got around to watching the award show, and I agree that Clarkson's performance was very strong. Doesn't square with the song continuing to tread water -- if that didn't increase its rate of gain, I don't see what will. But most days show a 50k gain or a 50k loss, nothing like what this song needs.
Next week would be a fine week to start posting 150k or 200k daily gains. 2 more weeks should see this get to 10 million in Billboard audience, if they can pick up the pace now. Otherwise, 2 more weeks should see this safely to recurrency. Now or never.
|
|
Focus
Diamond Member
"peace out my babies" ~ Kelly Hoodson tm yoKC ~ "hackers..You've been CLARKSONED"!
Joined: January 2005
Posts: 15,591
|
Post by Focus on Apr 24, 2013 11:29:19 GMT -5
RCA I feel is really trying with this song, it may still take off i think. but radio may be waiting for a country single from Kelly that isnt "old school country sounding". if she releases an uptempo country feisty song, i think it will shoot straight upWould this be what you're talking about Zazie? And if so, do you think it has a chance to become a hit on Country? It's not the best audio, but hopefully you can get an idea from it.... Lyrics: Ain't Gonna Like This So what if I like the sound of A little bit of rock and roll So what if it's just my thing to like the rhythm of some soul if you don't like Bonnie, if you don't like Prince, you ain't gonna like this so what if I like to dance to some blues in the pouring rain it doesn't mean I can't turn it on when ol' George says "Give It Away" if you don't like Stevie, if you don't like Vince, you ain't gonna like this Singin' what I'm feeling inside I don't care what it is, what you call it, here it is if you don't like what I dig you ain't gonna like this you ain't gonna like this So what if I like some country whether it's the music or the men so what if I like the mood that Coltrane puts me in if you don't like Johnny, and if you don't like Elvis you ain't gonna like this you ain't gonna like this Singin' what I'm feelin' inside I don't care what it is, what you call it, here it is if you don't like what I dig you ain't gonna like this you ain't gonna like this Singin' what I'm feelin' inside i don't what it is, what you call it, here it is if you don't like what I dig if you don't like Reba, if you don't like Trisha, if you don't like Aretha, I don't even wanna meet ya If none of my heroes make your list well then you ain't gonna like this
|
|
Zazie
5x Platinum Member
Joined: September 2003
Posts: 5,144
|
Post by Zazie on May 3, 2013 8:42:47 GMT -5
^ Nice lyrics, good song. Whether it would be a hit, that's harder to guess.
I don't like this week's numbers at all. I'd say one more bad update like this morning's, and we'll be seeing Don't Rush go recurrent on next week's Billboard. A rally is still possible but there are no bad days allowed from here on if this one's ever going to chart again. Disappointing.
|
|
someguy
Diamond Member
Joined: October 2003
Posts: 16,054
|
Post by someguy on May 6, 2013 20:55:49 GMT -5
This was lucky enough to stay on, but it lost both spins and audience. 27 weeks on, and it's still #27. Very disappointing run for a great song.
|
|
Deleted
Joined: January 1970
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on May 6, 2013 21:04:39 GMT -5
This was lucky enough to stay on, but it lost both spins and audience. 27 weeks on, and it's still #27. Very disappointing run for a great song. I don't know how I feel about the current chart trends. Kip Moore has 15.3 million but he's only #20? Crazy. The chart looks so scary and competitive and I keep thinking it can't get worse but every week the numbers are even crazier. The top 20 songs are all above 15.3 million, and Eric Church has 25.1 million, yet that's only good enough for #11? In the past several years, usually 10-11 million put a song in the top 20, and 20-21 million would place it in the top 10. Kelly is more akin to a new artist trying to break through at country radio, and with all the names on the chart right now, it's just not a good time for the less-established artists. With the way the chart is now, Kelly would need to more than double her audience to get into the top 20, and she surely can't take another 27 weeks to build another 7.5 million in audience. No, I don't think Kelly will get 27 more weeks on the chart, and I doubt she gets 2 more weeks. And as you alluded to, she may very well go recurrent next week already, if she can't get her bullet back. The one thing Kelly has going for her (besides ties to the Reba/Blake/Miranda camp) is the fact that, while not an established act at country radio, she's a very well-recognized name, so if she keeps releasing songs to country radio now and then, she still could score a bigger hit. And since she has that name recognition, she'll most likely be able to enter the top 40 and top 30 quicker than artists on the first or second single of their careers, which will help a song in the long haul (the quicker it can get to the top 40 and beyond, the more weeks it has to 'burn' to close in on the top 20 and beyond). As long as Kelly makes good songs that can fit on country radio, I'm all for her remaining a presence here. If she started releasing straight-up pop/rock songs to country radio, I'd be upset, as there are plenty of Nashville-based acts that would love to have those chart spots. But again, if Kelly's songs are good and moderately 'country' (the more country-sounding, the better!), then I'd like to see her keep releasing more songs to country radio. I think "Don't Rush" has run its course, though.
|
|
Zazie
5x Platinum Member
Joined: September 2003
Posts: 5,144
|
Post by Zazie on May 8, 2013 15:17:48 GMT -5
Yes, the song's done, it's got a 99.9% chance to go recurrent next week. Radio gave it a shot, but not a very good one -- it never amassed a top-20-worthy audience total nor did it ever seriously threaten to do so. But it did hang around for a long time, which might indicate that follow-up efforts by Clarkson might be welcomed.
Maybe a duet with Keith Urban next? No, I think she should stick with solo efforts and give it about 4 more releases to see what happens. If she can't hit the top 10 by then, then I'd conclude it will never happen.
|
|
Focus
Diamond Member
"peace out my babies" ~ Kelly Hoodson tm yoKC ~ "hackers..You've been CLARKSONED"!
Joined: January 2005
Posts: 15,591
|
Post by Focus on May 9, 2013 16:12:42 GMT -5
I'm sorry to see this great song losing spins. The Billboard Mid-Week Country Update posted only positive info on the song. pdf
|
|
onebuffalo
Diamond Member
#LiteralLegender
I am One Buffalo.
Joined: June 2009
Posts: 26,667
|
Post by onebuffalo on May 9, 2013 16:49:14 GMT -5
^It's too bad. In my opinion, this is the best song NOT to make the top 25. I think Kelly Clarkson should do another remake with her soon to be mother-in-law, Reba McEntire. This time, do a McEntire song (Does He Love You comes to mind).
|
|
Focus
Diamond Member
"peace out my babies" ~ Kelly Hoodson tm yoKC ~ "hackers..You've been CLARKSONED"!
Joined: January 2005
Posts: 15,591
|
Post by Focus on May 20, 2013 9:12:37 GMT -5
"Don't Rush" went recurrent Sunday, May 19, 2013. Great song! ♥
|
|
|
Post by StrongerThanTheTruth on May 20, 2013 9:55:29 GMT -5
^It's too bad. In my opinion, this is the best song NOT to make the top 25. I think Kelly Clarkson should do another remake with her soon to be mother-in-law, Reba McEntire. This time, do a McEntire song (Does He Love You comes to mind). I'm all for a Kelly/Reba duet but I would never release it to radio for a few reasons. Reba's radio career is done so its not gonna chart well and Kelly doesn't need to release another "duet" to radio. Then Reba already did a re-release for Does He Love You back in 1999 and it didn't do well even though that re-release was European/Australian focused it didn't do well. I would love to see "Ain't Gonna Like This" as the next single!
|
|
spoonabdul3
Platinum Member
Joined: February 2009
Posts: 1,443
|
Post by spoonabdul3 on May 26, 2013 14:48:40 GMT -5
First Rebas radio career isnt done. Didn't she have a number one like 2yrs ago? And hadn't had a new album out since then.
Its a shame that Dont Rush went to recurrent. Strange considering its in the top ten on rate the music and call out scores. Stange
|
|
spoonabdul3
Platinum Member
Joined: February 2009
Posts: 1,443
|
Post by spoonabdul3 on May 26, 2013 14:55:33 GMT -5
^It's too bad. In my opinion, this is the best song NOT to make the top 25. I think Kelly Clarkson should do another remake with her soon to be mother-in-law, Reba McEntire. This time, do a McEntire song (Does He Love You comes to mind). I'm all for a Kelly/Reba duet but I would never release it to radio for a few reasons. Reba's radio career is done so its not gonna chart well and Kelly doesn't need to release another "duet" to radio. Then Reba already did a re-release for Does He Love You back in 1999 and it didn't do well even though that re-release was European/Australian focused it didn't do well. I would love to see "Ain't Gonna Like This" as the next single! What makes u think Rebas radio career is over ? Consider Me Gone hit #1 at the end of 2009 (her biggest hit ever) and Turn on the Radio hit #1 the end of 2011. And she hasn't released a new album since. So i don't know how anyone can say Rebas radio career is over...
|
|
|
Post by StrongerThanTheTruth on May 26, 2013 19:13:43 GMT -5
I'm all for a Kelly/Reba duet but I would never release it to radio for a few reasons. Reba's radio career is done so its not gonna chart well and Kelly doesn't need to release another "duet" to radio. Then Reba already did a re-release for Does He Love You back in 1999 and it didn't do well even though that re-release was European/Australian focused it didn't do well. I would love to see "Ain't Gonna Like This" as the next single! What makes u think Rebas radio career is over ? Consider Me Gone hit #1 at the end of 2009 (her biggest hit ever) and Turn on the Radio hit #1 the end of 2011. And she hasn't released a new album since. So i don't know how anyone can say Rebas radio career is over... Not to continue off topic but Reba's last 3 singles didn't do great, actually the last 2 failed miserably, "If I Were a Boy" peaked at 22, "When Love Gets a Hold of You" peaked at 40 and "Somebody's Chelsea" peaked at 44. I love Reba don't get me wrong I will continue to buy anything she puts out. But at her age radio isn't gonna play something of hers unless it is killer and she just doesn't seem to be putting out radio hits one after another, as soon as you lose that momentum its tough. As for Kelly's next single I'm thinking the best place for them to test songs or debut the song is at CMA Fest in a few weeks.
|
|
bb
Platinum Member
Joined: November 2011
Posts: 1,576
|
Post by bb on May 26, 2013 19:36:09 GMT -5
Pretty sad that this couldn't do more. It was an excellent change of pace for Kelly. I can't say I'm surprised but since the genre appears so welcoming I doubt this will deter future release.
|
|
spoonabdul3
Platinum Member
Joined: February 2009
Posts: 1,443
|
Post by spoonabdul3 on May 27, 2013 0:58:25 GMT -5
Pretty sad that this couldn't do more. It was an excellent change of pace for Kelly. I can't say I'm surprised but since the genre appears so welcoming I doubt this will deter future release. I agree, they have definatly welcomed her, its just weird with the great call out scores and still in the top ten on rate the music, so its weird this didn't climb higher. I think PD just found it hard to find a spot on their playlist for the song. Bc nothing else sounds like it. As soon as Kelly releases an upbeat country song, i think she will finally see a solo country top 10.
|
|