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Post by .indulgecountry on Jun 12, 2013 22:21:16 GMT -5
The last album I loved from him was 'Honky Tonk University' I really think Toby had a better run while at Mercury and DreamWorks, but after the ShowDog label began, his songs began to decline In popularity and sales... See a pattern? He doesn't have enough time to tour and promote his CD because he just keeps on recording and recording... Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought I remembered seeing at some point that Toby Keith actually does really well with his tours, especially considering his corresponding level of sales and airplay.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2013 0:12:58 GMT -5
The last album I loved from him was 'Honky Tonk University' I really think Toby had a better run while at Mercury and DreamWorks, but after the ShowDog label began, his songs began to decline In popularity and sales... See a pattern? He doesn't have enough time to tour and promote his CD because he just keeps on recording and recording... I think it's just a coincidence. Sure, SDU is a smaller label and all that, but at the same time, I think there are a lot of other factors involved in Toby's decline at country radio. He's over 50 years old now, for one thing. Also, tons of other stars have risen in the genre in the last 5 years or so. They can't play Toby forever. Like Chesney and McGraw, he's been consistently scoring hits since about '93. That's a very long career, so it's only natural that he began to lose steam at radio several years ago. As for a new CD each year, that's the way artists used to do it a long time ago, and it keeps money coming in. As long as Toby has fans that continue to find his new music good, he'll keep releasing a yearly CD. In this day and age, he's not gonna consistently score a bunch of big-selling albums, so the solution is to make many albums. Many albums with lower sales totals can still add up to a couple big albums with bigger sales totals. And, like .indulgecountry alluded to, Toby's tours for the last several years have been named among the highest-grossing tours in all genres by various groups such as Pollstar. Toby remains one of the top touring acts within the country genre.
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Post by jughead on Jun 19, 2013 7:53:04 GMT -5
Did I see the wrong update for this or did this just show a loss of over 200 spins and fall off the top 40?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2013 8:10:06 GMT -5
Did I see the wrong update for this or did this just show a loss of over 200 spins and fall off the top 40? Toby got the Clear Channel deal last week Tuesday. This song was released to radio a week ago from yesterday and it got hourly airplay on all CC stations, so it debuted on MB last Wednesday morning with 778 spins and 6.731 million AI's...from one day alone. Now that big first day is no longer included in the 7-day rolling total, so that's why Toby lost a big chunk of audience today. It's always the same with the songs that get Clear Channel specials. A week after their big debut, they lose all that audience. Toby will likely start gaining again in tomorrow's update, though.
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Post by Marv on Jun 19, 2013 14:29:31 GMT -5
When I saw those numbers this morning I knew that that was the only possible explanation for the collapse in spins; I was really looking forward to a chart battle between Toby & Kenny, who haven't had on in quite awhile, but given the 1,200 spin difference between their new singles, that's not going to happen this time around either.
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Post by Zazie on Jun 19, 2013 16:29:26 GMT -5
Projecting audience for next week's Billboard based on the week to date, Toby's song rates to finish the week with a negative 7.5 million in audience. We know that negative audience is, like anti-matter, not really a good subject for chart analysis. But it would be nice to see it happen.
Alas, he'll come back up into the 29 to 34 range by week's end, probably the higher end of that range. He will not be getting into Chesney's company until some future single is released, or maybe he never will.
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Post by churchchoir on Jun 19, 2013 17:06:13 GMT -5
I will be interested to see which artist reaches a higher peak position with his single - Toby or Kenny. I know Kenny's song seems like a monster hit, but I still think it will suddenly start struggling and end up with a run quite similar to "El Cerrito Place." As for "Drinks After Work," I anticipate a run similar to "I Like Girls That Drink Beer." Maybe it will peak a little lower or a little higher, but I expect both songs in question to reach the top 20 and miss the top 10.
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Post by jesster on Jun 19, 2013 21:56:03 GMT -5
Can't confirm but I read at another site that it may be his daughter? If so, so far I am liking the father/daughter collaborations better for her than her solo single which was a little on the treacly side.
I heard this one on the morning drive show yesterday (top 10 station here), sounded great.
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Post by ryankentm on Jun 20, 2013 13:14:15 GMT -5
Can't confirm but I read at another site that it may be his daughter? If so, so far I am liking the father/daughter collaborations better for her than her solo single which was a little on the treacly side. I heard this one on the morning drive show yesterday (top 10 station here), sounded great. It is someone named Nicole Scott: www.youtube.com/watch?v=9tBbEn3VMVM
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Post by jesster on Jun 20, 2013 21:54:59 GMT -5
Can't confirm but I read at another site that it may be his daughter? If so, so far I am liking the father/daughter collaborations better for her than her solo single which was a little on the treacly side. I heard this one on the morning drive show yesterday (top 10 station here), sounded great. It is someone named Nicole Scott: www.youtube.com/watch?v=9tBbEn3VMVMDon't know who she is but she sure seems happy so good for her
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Post by bjer127 on Jun 21, 2013 10:15:27 GMT -5
This song is definately kind of BLAH to me. It will probably get Top 15. But I will def purchase the album. His album tracks are always above and beyond his singles. When he writes/sings a good ballad, no one quite does it better in my opinion. Hope On The Rocks had some very good tracks, the title track being one of them. I think Country Music needs guys like Toby, George Strait, Alan, Ronnie Dunn etc.
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Post by bigbluenote on Jun 21, 2013 10:33:53 GMT -5
This song is definately kind of BLAH to me. It will probably get Top 15. But I will def purchase the album. His album tracks are always above and beyond his singles. When he writes/sings a good ballad, no one quite does it better in my opinion. Hope On The Rocks had some very good tracks, the title track being one of them. I think Country Music needs guys like Toby, George Strait, Alan, Ronnie Dunn etc. I have every one of his CD's and will always buy his stuff, no matter what's released to radio, even though his singles normally are crap. He has a knack for releasing the worst songs on his albums - Hope On The Rocks being the exception. His ballads are amazing. I've always said that he writes and performs a perfect ballad every time. I still love to go back to the ballads on Honkytonk University: Just The Guy To Do It, Knock Yourself Out, and especially You Caught Me At A Bad Time - 3 of the best songs in his massive catalog.
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Post by slowmo on Jun 21, 2013 11:39:57 GMT -5
Can't confirm but I read at another site that it may be his daughter? If so, so far I am liking the father/daughter collaborations better for her than her solo single which was a little on the treacly side. I heard this one on the morning drive show yesterday (top 10 station here), sounded great. It is someone named Nicole Scott: www.youtube.com/watch?v=9tBbEn3VMVMThank you! I didn't think it was Krystal but wasn't sure given that she's been on some of his past work and might've been another way to get her name out there while doing her solo project.
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Post by LBTrocks on Jun 21, 2013 15:15:38 GMT -5
This song is just ear candy. It sounds decent, but it's just another drinking song from Toby. He can do much better.
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Post by jesster on Jun 22, 2013 8:16:59 GMT -5
This song is just ear candy. It sounds decent, but it's just another drinking song from Toby. He can do much better. I guess it depends where you focus. It's got 'drinks' and bar, but I think it's really a flirting song with small touch of get-away-from-work-to-have-fun song
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2013 10:24:51 GMT -5
I don't understand the logic behind the Clear Channel deal for this one. Toby races out to a 9.7 million Mediabase total after the 1st week, but as week #2 concludes, he's sitting at 6.7 million with a -103 bullet. Why not just string together two 3 million weeks to start? That's not so atypical for a big name artist to do, and then you finish the week with momentum and a bullet.
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Post by churchchoir on Jun 24, 2013 11:14:19 GMT -5
^I agree. Toby no longer gets instant fast climbs up the charts, so it's not like a Clear Channel deal will really send him soaring up the chart as it did Blake Shelton, Kenny Chesney, Brad Paisley, and Jason Aldean. Perhaps Toby was worried his song would have a fate similar to "Bourbon in Kentucky" (a really slow climb and difficulty taking off) and he and his label thought they needed a Clear Channel deal to kick start the song's chart run and get it a lot of early attention so it wouldn't fizzle out in the 30's. I still think it was foolish not to release the song to iTunes until two weeks after the CC deal. I've always thought that was sort of the point of a Clear Channel deal...to get the song a high chart debut and a lot of first week downloads. Usually, when there's a world premiere, the artist comes on and introduces the song and reminds listeners to go download it. It kind of seemed incomplete for the song not to be available on iTunes. But then again I can also see the argument that .indulgecountry made about getting more people aware of the song's existence other than the folks who listen to Clear Channel stations. With a Blake Shelton song, all the other stations are going to be instantly adding the single right after the world premiere, but it's possible many non-CC stations haven't yet added Toby Keith's song. The iTunes release might be sort of a "second kick start" for the song, in case it already starts to struggle this week.
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Post by flyingsilvereagle on Jul 3, 2013 16:13:07 GMT -5
Thank you! I didn't think it was Krystal but wasn't sure given that she's been on some of his past work and might've been another way to get her name out there while doing her solo project. According to SiriusXm The Highway it is Kacey Musgraves providing the backing vocals.
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Post by Marv on Jul 4, 2013 10:40:33 GMT -5
The only way those intense launches have worked is to launch the song very late in the week to avoid that inevitable crash-and-burn first full week crash job a la Taylor's 'We Are....'
If a label chooses to launch a tune on a Thursday without resorting to that once-an-hour nonsense, the results can be spectacular, as was definitely the case for 'Good Girl' last year, as well as 'Never Wanted Nothing More'.
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Post by slowmo on Jul 5, 2013 15:32:14 GMT -5
Thank you! I didn't think it was Krystal but wasn't sure given that she's been on some of his past work and might've been another way to get her name out there while doing her solo project. According to SiriusXm The Highway it is Kacey Musgraves providing the backing vocals. Maybe third time is a charm? haha Luke Laird tweeted yesterday that it's Natalie Hemby
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Post by 43dudleyvillas on Jul 5, 2013 17:22:31 GMT -5
I haven't heard this on the radio and I'm not sure if this is because I've only listened to Toby Keith's version of this song on really lousy quality streams (I did try two different ones), but the compression on this track seems out of control, resulting his voice sounding unusually (and unpleasantly) high. That may be a deliberate pitch to younger listeners who like Hunter Hayes (I noticed the same issue on Blake Shelton's "Sure Be Cool If You Did"), but I'm going to keep chalking it up to lousy stream quality for now. Toby remains one of the format's best voices, and it would be a shame if he allowed his producer to mess with the depth and resonance of his voice for the sake of demographic appeal.
In any event, Toby's voice seems too heavy for this melody, and his phrasing isn't nearly playful and limber enough for the lyric. I much prefer Natalie Hemby's demo of the song, and think Lady Antebellum might have fared better with this than they did on "Downtown." That said, if Toby Keith was going to make a grab for airplay, this is at least different in melody, sound, lyric, setting and attitude than the frat boy country fare that most other males at country radio are releasing.
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Post by jesster on Jul 5, 2013 21:39:51 GMT -5
Maybe third time is a charm? haha Luke Laird tweeted yesterday that it's Natalie Hemby I think that might be theory number four, not three (krystal, kacey, and nicole). But I'll go with it, especially as Luke & Natalie seem to be co-writers of the song. If this is her typical sound ( www.youtube.com/watch?v=dtPXycfnvpo ), I could see it being Natalie but hard to tell the way the vocals in Drinks After Work are blended. On repeated listening, I am really still liking this song. Nice change of pace for Toby, and very light-hearted for summer without any weird or sexist lyrics that offend me like some country songs do lol.
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Post by Ten Pound Hammer on Jul 7, 2013 22:26:03 GMT -5
I like this song's groove. Definitely a different style for Toby.
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Post by onebuffalo on Oct 16, 2013 11:44:24 GMT -5
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Post by sabre14 on Oct 16, 2013 15:14:50 GMT -5
Looking like another Toby song dies in the teens on the chart. Any reasoning behind this one? Promotion? Song Quality? Clutter around him? Or maybe radio is just about done giving him heavy rotation?
I always wonder if Toby ever cared about his recent chart struggles, or he simply could care less?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2013 15:43:47 GMT -5
Looking like another Toby song dies in the teens on the chart. Any reasoning behind this one? Promotion? Song Quality? Clutter around him? Or maybe radio is just about done giving him heavy rotation? I always wonder if Toby ever cared about his recent chart struggles, or he simply could care less? It's the same type of chart run he's had for the last several years, really. "Made In America" was really the only exception, and I think that was a situation where it had somewhat of a classy Toby feel but it was also the right 'moment' for that song, and it was what radio wanted. That was of course followed by the viral hit "Red Solo Cup" which is by far Toby's biggest-selling single, and then "Beers Ago" got up the chart quicker based off the stronger momentum from both "Made In America" and "Red Solo Cup". Otherwise, pretty much since the back-end of the American Ride era and through the Bullets In The Gun and Hope On The Rocks eras, Toby has consistently peaked close to the #15 spot, give or take a few spots. That's high enough for his singles to be basically added on all stations, but not in high rotation on a ton of them. And he doesn't stick with his singles longer than about 18-20 weeks, which is exactly where "Drinks After Work" fits in. I think your other theories are just as right, though. Show Dog-Universal is really the one label that doesn't seem to like to promote songs too long. They did give Joel Crouse some leash but they haven't broken through with many of their other new artists, and they really only got one big hit out of Trace Adkins (Just Fishin'). Toby's also been doing this for 20 years now, and he no longer sells songs or albums nearly as much as he used to, and he certainly doesn't put up the sales numbers that the new A-listers do. He's in that veteran stage where he still gets airplay (because he is, after all, Toby Keith--that's name recognition right there), and most radio stations probably feel compelled to add his singles, but he's not 'top dog' anymore. It happens to everyone, really..
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Post by Ten Pound Hammer on Oct 16, 2013 15:44:27 GMT -5
Gah. Had a reply typed up, but Jhomes87 ninja'd me and said most of what I wanted to say.
I wouldn't blame song quality, because I thought "Bullets in the Gun", "Somewhere Else", and "Hope on the Rocks" were excellent.
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Post by churchchoir on Oct 18, 2013 11:36:46 GMT -5
I wonder if Toby will use his Country Countdown USA appearance next weekend to debut a new single since "Drinks after Work" didn't last long enough to get the extra countdown spins.
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Post by someguy on Oct 19, 2013 15:23:50 GMT -5
Despite being finished, this could actually re-enter the top 20 on Monday's chart. Since it has one more week left, and three songs will be leaving the top 20, I'm pretty sure he'll end up moving back to #20. Not that that means much in the long run, but it would give him one more week in the top 20. Of course, he could also really collapse over the weekend enough to be passed by Cassadee Pope, which would give her her first top 20.
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