.indulgecountry
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Post by .indulgecountry on Sept 9, 2013 12:43:54 GMT -5
I'm not surprised this isn't doing particularly well. Even at their prime Sugarland had some lower-peaking singles and when they went on hiatus, their momentum was at an all-time low with the performance of "Tonight." They've (or in this case, Jennifer solo) gone considerably downhill in my book over the years with switching things up in regards to their sound.
I don't fault Sugarland/Jenn's creativity and ambition, but I personally felt that The Incredible Machine was a terrible album and "That Girl" sounds to me like something in that same vein and we saw that bar "Stuck Like Glue," country radio and fans weren't really feeling that era as it under-performed by their standards. I like her voice and the material from their first two records is phenomenal, so I wish she/they'd get back to that. I'm not a fan of this single at all and it doesn't surprise or upset me to see that radio hasn't jumped all over this out of the gate.
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Post by DJ General on Sept 11, 2013 9:40:09 GMT -5
WHAT? This came out 5 weeks ago?! I had NO idea! I saw her performing it on Jay Leno last night and thought it was the world premiere of the song. I wonder why I heard nothing about it... I remember in July hearing about the album but then everything faded away
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2013 9:44:05 GMT -5
I personally felt that The Incredible Machine was a terrible album and "That Girl" sounds to me like something in that same vein I love The Incredible Machine, and I don't hear any similarities whatsoever between that album and "That Girl."
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Post by someguy on Sept 23, 2013 20:32:50 GMT -5
Hopefully this is starting to move now. I know a lot of songs moved up this week, but this moves 46-41*, and gained 350K in AI. Lady A will leave the top 40 next week, so hopefully "That Girl" can hold off Craig Morgan to take their spot.
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Post by avalyn on Oct 1, 2013 12:07:23 GMT -5
That Girl Teaser. Full video comes out October 3rd.
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Post by Zazie on Oct 1, 2013 16:47:28 GMT -5
Hopefully this is starting to move now. I know a lot of songs moved up this week, but this moves 46-41*, and gained 350K in AI. Lady A will leave the top 40 next week, so hopefully "That Girl" can hold off Craig Morgan to take their spot. Well, it held off Craig Morgan, because neither song did anything. But it got passed by other songs and fell to 43. There is little movement in this section of the chart -- on today's MB update, this song's in the middle of a stretch of 13 songs none of which gained, or lost, as much as 100k. I enjoy this one tremendously but it's taking way too long to make some chart progress.
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Post by avalyn on Oct 3, 2013 14:08:24 GMT -5
That Girl Video Only available on Livenation at the moment. Jennifer's facebook post with the link: "A moment of passion/a Cuban jazz club/an obsession. All of these culminate into the question: "Who is #ThatGirl?"
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Post by musicbuff78 on Oct 3, 2013 14:25:27 GMT -5
I was just going to post this because I just saw it on Facebook. WOW does she look beyond gorgeous or what???!!!! And I love the ending of the vid.
At the beginning, when she is lying on the bed, she reminds me of a blond Allison Moorer because that shot looks ALOT like the cover for Allison's album The Hardest Part. Check it out and see if you agree.
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Post by avalyn on Oct 3, 2013 14:45:45 GMT -5
She sent this out in an email to kind of explain the video and everything. I will say for those that didn't know, there is a body double in this video. She did the bedroom scenes and was the blonde in the bathroom, they had a green screen mask on her as seen in the teaser I posted a few days ago. "Guess what?! I made a video for "That Girl" and it's finally ready! Yaaay! Videos are complete labors of love. They are super long days. But they are a chance to offer a deeper, or even completely different look, into the story of a song. I shot "That Girl" for 17 hours, in The Hotel Plaza Athenee, on the upper east side of New York, back in August. There were about 45,000 changes between wigs and wardrobe. (Mental note: It is ambitious to play BOTH lead roles in a video. Twice the work. Duh.). The end result however, is the story of dark mystery, set on the backdrop of high society ladies with perfectly coifed hair, and martini loving diplomats with a lot of, shall we say, free time. A moment of passion. A Cuban jazz club. An obsession. A confrontation in the bathroom. All of these tasty morsels culminate into the question: "Who actually is 'that girl'?" That's up to you to decide. -Jennifer e2.ma/message/ew8yd/6xspad
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Post by StillTheSame on Oct 3, 2013 19:10:14 GMT -5
Watched it twice in the last few minutes and not really sure what to make of it. I honestly found some of it a little strange. Definitely not what imagined.
I loved how it ended up feeling like part of a movie, though.
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Post by sbp17 on Oct 3, 2013 19:21:32 GMT -5
I like the video (except for the shots where she was pretty close to making out with the bouquet of flowers).
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Post by LBTrocks on Oct 4, 2013 20:25:14 GMT -5
It was an interesting video. Very good, but I personally found it a little hard to understand the concept. Maybe I'm just stupid, lol.
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Post by someguy on Oct 20, 2013 20:46:37 GMT -5
Finally top 40 on Mediabase, as of tonight. Hopefully the countdown spins will give this a shot in the arm.
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Post by avalyn on Oct 20, 2013 21:49:27 GMT -5
That is really great news. I have been trying to watch it. That was my thinking that the countdown spins would giving it a good kick to start moving up the charts more. It's been a battle for the main station where I am to play it. They played it in the beginning then stopped. Honestly they played it twice a day for the first few weeks then stopped. This was after it was officially up for add's. Since then I have been requesting and voting for it to be played more, it gets played maybe two to four times a week at night. It's always the same dj and when I thanked her the one day she stated that she always has to fight to get it on the playlist during her shift.
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Post by matty005 on Oct 20, 2013 22:25:57 GMT -5
Finally top 40 on Mediabase, as of tonight. Hopefully the countdown spins will give this a shot in the arm. I see this mentioned here quite a bit (along with people thinking a video will jump start a song). Do we have any evidence that once a song goes top 40 and gets those countdown spins it helps a lot? I am curious because I feel like I only see this mentioned for songs are that struggling.
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Post by churchchoir on Oct 20, 2013 23:10:30 GMT -5
Countdown spins mainly help a song's chart position for a week or two because it inflates the bullet/spin gains for that week. Once a song hits the top 40, it gets added to Bob Kingsley's top 40 countdown and therefore is played an extra time on every station that airs Bob's countdown, even if the station hasn't added the song itself yet. The same goes for songs that crack the top 30, as they are added to the Kix Brooks, Crook & Chase, and Lon Helton countdowns (as well as the Bobby Bones countdown, which plays a top 30 chart similar to the Mediabase chart but with a slightly different order as well as songs that are recurrent on the Mediabase and Billboard charts). Once a song makes its way into the top 10, the artist usually gets a chance to co-host Lon Helton's countdown, and the co-host always gets their song played an extra time during that countdown show, so that's another opportunity to pick up extra spins on a lot of stations. I don't actually think that simply being in the top 40 really gets a song a lot of extra adds or conversions. It just gets the song one weekly spin on every station that syndicates Bob Kingsley's top 40 show, but all songs in the top 40 are getting that spin, so I don't see how it makes too big a difference in the long run and certainly won't propel the song ahead of other top 40 singles.
Four songs should go recurrent on Mediabase next Sunday, so even if Jennifer is passed by songs from Lady Antebellum, Eric Church, and whoever else climbs into the top 40 next week (a lot of possibilities, including Sara Evans, Brett Eldredge, Jerrod Niemann, and Dan + Shay), she should at least be able to hold her ground in the top 40 and therefore shouldn't lose the top 40 countdown spins two weeks from now. If "That Girl" does get surpassed by a minimum of five songs this week and falls out of the top 40 next Sunday, she may suffer a fate similar to that of Drake White's debut hit, whose chart run was all downhill from the point of falling out of the top 40 and losing the Kinglsey countdown spins. I'm actually really hoping this does turn around and become a hit on the charts. I think we could use a few less bland, generic, party songs on the chart right now. However, radio wants just the opposite and probably won't warm up to a song that addresses such a "mature theme."
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Post by someguy on Oct 21, 2013 21:10:23 GMT -5
Finally top 40 on Mediabase, as of tonight. Hopefully the countdown spins will give this a shot in the arm. I see this mentioned here quite a bit (along with people thinking a video will jump start a song). Do we have any evidence that once a song goes top 40 and gets those countdown spins it helps a lot? I am curious because I feel like I only see this mentioned for songs are that struggling. I do think it helps to an extent. It's obviously not going to make songs shoot right up to #1, but the extra spins that the countdown shows provide can help to keep a struggling song alive for an extra couple of weeks, and hopefully expose them to a new audience who may not have heard the song yet. I think this could be especially true in this case, because Sugarland are a pretty well-known group, and some of their more casual fans may not even realize that Jennifer has a song out right now. But we'll see what happens. I think it seems to be mentioned for struggling songs because they're the only ones who need the extra help. For example, looking at this week's chart, countdown spins aren't really going to matter for songs like Lady A's "Compass" or Jerrod Niemann's "Drink To That All Night", because they're taking off really well on their own. It's the struggling songs that need the extra help.
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Post by Zazie on Oct 24, 2013 12:57:50 GMT -5
I think it's more like an attack of wishful thinking. I know I'm getting ready to pretend that all Gary Allan's new single needs is that first countdown show, and then the requests for "that cool song at #40 on Bob K's show" will start doubling and tripling.
But I have no reason to believe that happens, certainly not that it happens on a consistent basis. I track Billboard's chart, not MB, and it isn't directly affected by the countdown spins -- but I can say that very few songs that make it into the top 40 last there for only one week. (Only Chris Hanson's single this year spent one week at exactly #40 and then dropped out.) But I can't make a case that the countdown show spin generates interest elsewhere.
Here's another weak argument: we know that the countdown shows boost audience, so if any PD's are looking at MB or BB numbers and see a big jump for a bottom-feeder, maybe they'd be influenced. But how could it be that they are unaware they're just looking at the "Bob K effect"? -- they have to know.
The last argument I can make for the effect of the countdown show is that, by lifting audience and spins total, they can take a given song out of the range of falling out of the top 40 the next week. So the countdown shows give a song a few more weeks to catch on for other reasons. I tend to believe this one. It would help slow-climbers the most -- if they're running out of chart weeks, maybe taking 15 weeks or so to get near the top 40, this will buy them a couple of weeks to get a few badly-needed adds.
Your question, Matty005, was whether there's any evidence to support these various claims. None that I can assert with any confidence. But maybe it happens, at least occasionally.
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Post by churchchoir on Oct 26, 2013 18:04:26 GMT -5
Well, I said last Sunday that Jennifer could be passed on the MB chart by a maximum of four songs over the course of the next chart week (this past week) in order to stay in the top 40 on the next published chart, and now, in the daily update before the final MB chart for the week, she sits at #44, having been passed by exactly four songs ("The Outsiders," "Compass," "Beat of the Music," and "Slow Me Down"). If Jennifer can stay at #44 tomorrow, she will be given a nice four-space boost so that she can hold at #40 for the week when "Redneck Crazy," "Drinks after Work," "Outta My Head," and "Could It Be" are sent recurrent. However, there are three songs that I see as possibilities to pass Jennifer tomorrow ("19 You + Me," "Cold Beer with Your Name on It," and "Drink to That All Night") and "That Girl" is really struggling, down 23 spins since last Saturday and seven spins since last Sunday. I think she's just about finished up her run on the chart and it could end as soon as next Sunday if Nettles loses the Kingsley countdown spins. Although I never did care for Sugarland (finding most of their material mediocre at best), I am actually really disappointed in this single. It has significantly grown on me since its release and I really enjoy the unique tune and instrumentation. It's a shame this couldn't get more attention.
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Post by someguy on Oct 27, 2013 21:52:58 GMT -5
She did manage to hold everyone off from yesterday and remain in the top 40. I think this is pretty much it now. Either she starts to move up this week, or the song is done. That's really disappointing to me, because I think this is one of the best singles released this year. I'm hoping that radio is kinder to her next single.
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Post by avalyn on Oct 28, 2013 10:05:29 GMT -5
As of right now, the album is set for a January 14th release. She stated it this morning on WMZQ as "January, I think the 14th." If they were to move onto another single it feels like she would have enough time for that without pushing the album release back. The songs that get a great reaction from fans and dj's since she's done shows are Me Without You (ballad) and Jealousy (uptempo). I think either of those would do good with radio.
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Post by kim8 on Oct 28, 2013 10:09:46 GMT -5
Saw her last night as part of the Girls with Guitars benefit concert. She was amazing. She sang That Girl, Jealousy, Me Without You, and one other I can't recall. All the songs were fantastic. Jealousy had people laughing. I can't wait for her CD. I'm sure it's going to be awesome.
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Post by avalyn on Oct 30, 2013 18:05:16 GMT -5
Country Top 40 Countdown (Bob Kingsley) tweeted about how he loved the song and was happy to see it debut. He also posted a link of the debut on the countdown. I am hoping this picks up a bit more. I have been seeing a lot of people talking about the song this week especially for some reason. I also have noticed stations tweeting about playing the song on twitter. Also I read on twitter from a morning show host in South Carolina that Jennifer is hosting a party and show in Nashville Sunday night. I take it it's a private industry and radio party/show to play the songs for radio folks in town for CMA week. So hopefully that helps matters as well as the various interviews she'll be doing with stations. Maybe I am being naive or whatever to some but I am really rooting for this song. I mean I love the rest of the songs I've heard but I would just love for this song to move up a little higher on the charts. Heck at this point I'd be happy with a lower 20 - upper 30 peak for the song. As long as the album is released and there is a second single, I'll be happy.
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Post by someguy on Nov 3, 2013 23:00:58 GMT -5
She got herself another week in the Mediabase top 40 tonight, so at least she won't lose countdown spins. I'm hopeful that this is the week that she cracks Billboard's top 40 as well.
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Post by avalyn on Nov 4, 2013 10:19:02 GMT -5
I'm not sure how big of an affect this will have on the song. But I am hoping it will help a little along with radio promo and everything else during CMA Week. I figure with all the radio interviews, most stations will try and play her song before or after the interview. When I used to listen to my stations CMA Week interviews they'd always play the artist interviewed - current song or a highly popular one if they didn't have a current song. I hope that still holds true. I noticed in my neck of the woods they still refuse to play the song any other time outside of 9pm to midnight.
But anyway, last night in Nashville Jennifer played her entire album live for the first time for an event with Spotify and People Country. In attendance were radio, industry, fellow artists and a few lucky non-industry/radio folks. She brought out a few of the song writers of the album - Richard Marx, Phillip Sweet, Kevin Griffin and Mike Reid - to sing the song with them. She had special guests come out to sing their songs and she provided harmonies to them - Will Hoge, Brandy Clark, Chris Stapleton and Ronnie Milsap. Her special guests seemed to be people she was a fan of and she was very familiar with the songs to add harmonies especially in the case of Will, Brandy and Chris.
I kept up on tweets from last night and everyone who tweeted about the show raved about the album and the songs. This includes fellow artists who attended the show. Spotify is boosting already that they'll have the audio from the show up as soon as they are able to. Seeing all the tweets about it all make me want to hear the album even more than a did. But like I mentioned, the album won't be out until January 14th. She has only mentioned that date one time but she is sticking to the January release. So here is to hoping UMG is sticking with that regardless of what this single may or may not do.
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Post by rsmatto on Nov 4, 2013 12:39:19 GMT -5
I'm not sure how big of an affect this will have on the song. But I am hoping it will help a little along with radio promo and everything else during CMA Week. I figure with all the radio interviews, most stations will try and play her song before or after the interview. When I used to listen to my stations CMA Week interviews they'd always play the artist interviewed - current song or a highly popular one if they didn't have a current song. I hope that still holds true. I noticed in my neck of the woods they still refuse to play the song any other time outside of 9pm to midnight. But anyway, last night in Nashville Jennifer played her entire album live for the first time for an event with Spotify and People Country. In attendance were radio, industry, fellow artists and a few lucky non-industry/radio folks. She brought out a few of the song writers of the album - Richard Marx, Phillip Sweet, Kevin Griffin and Mike Reid - to sing the song with them. She had special guests come out to sing their songs and she provided harmonies to them - Will Hoge, Brandy Clark, Chris Stapleton and Ronnie Milsap. Her special guests seemed to be people she was a fan of and she was very familiar with the songs to add harmonies especially in the case of Will, Brandy and Chris. I kept up on tweets from last night and everyone who tweeted about the show raved about the album and the songs. This includes fellow artists who attended the show. Spotify is boosting already that they'll have the audio from the show up as soon as they are able to. Seeing all the tweets about it all make me want to hear the album even more than a did. But like I mentioned, the album won't be out until January 14th. She has only mentioned that date one time but she is sticking to the January release. So here is to hoping UMG is sticking with that regardless of what this single may or may not do. She didn't sing harmonies for Chris and I can't remember if she did for Will or Brandy, but I will say that I knew a good 80% the room and many artists made it out for the event. It was pretty great. She was perfect throughout. It was one of the better industry events I've ever been able to go to.
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Post by avalyn on Nov 4, 2013 12:51:31 GMT -5
I was just going off of pictures so thank you for clarifying! A few of them when the other artists were out she had her mic in her hand by her mouth when they were singing. So I assumed she sang some harmonies or even just a long with them. I saw some videos from a show she did with Chris and she was singing around along but not in the mic all the time with all his songs. She seems to be a fan of who she plays shows with and brings out.
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Post by sabre14 on Nov 11, 2013 20:34:38 GMT -5
"That Girl" got 16 adds this week. Hopefully with Jennifer appearing on the CMA's along with the support for her new upcoming album, this is the beginning of a lengthily chart run. Hope so cause this one took a while but is now becoming a favorite of mine.
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Post by avalyn on Nov 11, 2013 21:31:14 GMT -5
I was a little surprised when I saw how many add's it got. But I'm glad it did. Hopefully it will continue to climb now. sabre14 I will say my mom was the same way. She didn't care for it completely when I played it for her at first but now loves it and asks me to play it for her when I'm in the car. Though sadly our station doesn't play it outside of the 9pm-12am time frame so it's off my ipod but still, it grew on her. I have heard that from some others too! I meant to ask you, rsmatto, about the Nashville show. Do you have any song titles that you can share? I have nine out of twelve with only eight confirmed to be on the album. Confirmed: Like A Rock, Jealousy, This Angel, That Girl, Know You Wanna Know, Me Without You, Thank You & Falling. Unconfirmed: A Good Time to Cry. I'm trying to piece together the last few songs but it seems no one is tweeting or posting anything about the songs outside of how good she was or how good they sounded. I wasn't sure if people were asked not to talk about it or what really so I thought I'd ask you.
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Post by someguy on Nov 11, 2013 21:40:25 GMT -5
I was pretty surprised to see all of the adds it got, too. I was worried that it was coming to the end of its run a little while ago, but now I think that the adds guarantee it'll hang on for a little bit and make Billboard's top 40 at least. Jason Aldean will probably get ahead of her, but with a few songs looking like they're coming to the end of their runs in the top 40, some spaces should open up in the next 2-3 weeks.
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