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Post by JimColyer on May 22, 2005 17:56:12 GMT -5
I just requested "I Ain't No Quitter" to be played in Anchorage, Alaska. I am planning a trip to Alaska. Go Shania!
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2005 18:50:11 GMT -5
Some good news to report. Shania has two videos on the CMT Top 20 Countdown. Her "Quitter" video makes its official debut on the Countdown at # 15. Also, much later on in the Countdown, "Don't" finally reaches the # 1 spot! So, "Don't!" is the # 1 video this week. "Don't" is then aired again as the show is ending. The "Don't" video is played while the credits for the show are rolling at the end. Here is a schedule for when the show will be re-aired.
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Post by JimColyer on May 27, 2005 21:51:03 GMT -5
I still have not seen the "I Ain't No Quitter" video, believe it or not. I always watch CMT with my cousin so will eventually see it at his house. I am waiting for a compilation of Shania's recent videos to hit the stores. Yeah!!
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2005 9:44:02 GMT -5
Today is the day that Shania will be on CMT's "Insider" and[/U] CMT's "40 Greatest Firsts" special. [url=http://www.cmt.com/shows/dyn//cmt_insider/91447/episode_showtimes.jhtml ]Here[/url] is a schedule for when CMT's [url=http://www.cmt.com/shows/dyn//cmt_insider/91447/episode_showtimes.jhtml ]"Insider"[/url] show will air. Here is CMT's schedule for the many airings of "40 Greatest Firsts."[/B]
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2005 10:46:40 GMT -5
While the song may be country-ish, being country-ish doesn't mean it is automatically good.
That is comparible to saying all good country songs are country and all the bad ones aren't country.
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2005 11:02:53 GMT -5
While the song may be country-ish, being country-ish doesn't mean it is automatically good. That is comparible to saying all good country songs are country and all the bad ones aren't country. True. Very true. However, given many of the songs that country radio has played in the past and plays now, "Quitter" looks almost like a country masterpiece in comparison. Look at many of the Top 10, Top 5 and # 1 songs from the past few years. Many of the songs in those top positions only got there because of the "automatic favorite" status of the artist(s) that sang them. Imo, "Quitter" is better than a lot of them. Not all of them, but a lot of them.
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2005 13:49:54 GMT -5
CMT's "Insider" has already aired for those in the Eastern time zones. Shania is shown and/or mentioned throughout the entire 30-minute "Insider" show. In addition to her new perfume, Shania also talks about the "Quitter" video in her sit-down interview segment. Here is a quick recap of the show.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2005 10:06:52 GMT -5
Shania's Place has posted 40 or 50 photos from Saturday's "Insider" show that featured Shania.
Clips from quite a few of Shania's videos were shown.
So, there are some Video scans mixed in with the scans from Shania's sit-down interview.
You can see all of the "Insider" photos HERE.
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Post by WhySoSerious? on May 29, 2005 15:26:58 GMT -5
Wow, this might miss the Top 40 altogether.
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2005 21:11:22 GMT -5
VCR Alert[/size][/U] On Friday, June 17th the A & E network will be airing a NEW biography on Shania Twain. It will contain NEW[/B] interviews with Mark McGrath, Billy Currington and others. Dolly Parton and Elton John are also interviewed for the Shania Twain biography special. The biography will also be updated with new[/B] information about Shania's life and career. A&E will air the Shania Twain biography on Friday, June 17th at 8 pm Eastern. Go HERE to learn more information.
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Post by gcook on May 30, 2005 21:17:47 GMT -5
Wow, this might miss the Top 40 altogether. I think it will eventually a top 40 marker, but goodness... for Shania this is definitely a wow!
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2005 21:49:28 GMT -5
I think it will eventually a top 40 marker, but goodness... for Shania this is definitely a wow! Personally, I think the treatment of "Quitter" reflects worse on Country Radio and the industry than it does on Shania. It just shows you how corrupt, politically and financially, country radio has become. "Quitter" isn't even being "tested" by some stations. My favorite 2 excuses that I've heard dished out are: 1. A country station says they won't play it because it's not testing well. Meanwhile, they're not even giving the song enough spins to even test it at all with audiences. I guess playing Kenny, Tim, Faith, the MuzikMafia, and other favorites once every 45 minutes is too important to give "Quitter" that 1 play to "test" it with audiences. 2. A country station will say that it's not testing well, even if it's not true. It got a 78% percent PICK rating in a station's "Pick or Flick" type test, but the station says that they won't play it because it didn't "test" well. (Yes. That has been reported to have happened to "Quitter.") Even if it does "test" well with fans, that is still not a guarantee that it will get played. What does that tell you? At least we can all rest easy knowing that acts like Cowboy Troy and, to a lesser extent, NELLY can manage to get some airplay on Country radio stations.
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Post by kyhomeg on May 31, 2005 8:34:03 GMT -5
Stop making excuses why it is not played, maybe the simple reason is, she sounds completely awful with that song. In my opinion she can't sing, never has been able too sing, but with this song she reaches a new low. The song is poorly written, souds like fingernails on a chalkboard, so maybe that is why they are not playing that piece of trash. I hope it never reaches the Top 40, it doesn't deserve it.
As for Nelly and Cowboy Troy, where did they get airplay. Nelly and Tim' song, didn't get country radio airplay, was never released to country radio and never charted on the country charts, and it shouldn't have, it was not country. It was a great song, but not country. Cowboy Troy sure ddin't get airplay, didn't even come close to Top 40. Amazing no airplay but he debuted #2 on the country charts and #15 on the all genre chart, That's pretty good.
Shania is a has been, I personally don't think she will ever any success on country radio again unless she completely goes back to the style of her first album that was country. Personally I don't own any of her albums and wouldn't take them if you gave them to me, SHE CAN'T SING.
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Post by Love4Shania on May 31, 2005 10:14:02 GMT -5
Stop making excuses why it is not played, maybe the simple reason is, she sounds completely awful with that song. In my opinion she can't sing, never has been able too sing, but with this song she reaches a new low. The song is poorly written, souds like fingernails on a chalkboard, so maybe that is why they are not playing that piece of trash. I hope it never reaches the Top 40, it doesn't deserve it. As for Nelly and Cowboy Troy, where did they get airplay. Nelly and Tim' song, didn't get country radio airplay, was never released to country radio and never charted on the country charts, and it shouldn't have, it was not country. It was a great song, but not country. Cowboy Troy sure ddin't get airplay, didn't even come close to Top 40. Amazing no airplay but he debuted #2 on the country charts and #15 on the all genre chart, That's pretty good. Shania is a has been, I personally don't think she will ever any success on country radio again unless she completely goes back to the style of her first album that was country. Personally I don't own any of her albums and wouldn't take them if you gave them to me, SHE CAN'T SING. First of all Shania CAN sing, people wouldn't buy her albums and go to her concerts if she couldn't. There is no need for this type of anti-Shania zealousy. Shania has everything from attitude to charisma in her voice, something which many other females lack (especially in country music), Shania also has an underrated vocal range, I could name many Shania performances which display how capable Shania is of reaching high notes, performances which judging by your comments you haven't seen before. But then again what would be the point? "Shania can't sing" isn't your opinion, it is just something you refuse to acknowledge. As far as the "excuses" against I Ain't No Quitter's performance goes....most of them are actually valid. Many large markets are STILL not playing the song, they haven't even bothered to even give it a chance. What happens when people like Toby Keith, Tim Mcgraw, Gretchen Wilson etc. release a new song? These stations add the song IMMEDIATELY and give it a ton of spins and it flys up the charts. Shania's latest song is just as, if not, MORE country then anything those artists have released lately so country radio has no reason to not play the song otherwise it is just a double standard. Your personal opinion on Shania's music doesn't matter because it doesn't speak for everyone, and a DJ or PD's peronal opinion on songs shouldn't affect their playlist seeing how that goes against the whole point to radio requests. KZLA actually tested IANQ on their "Tuesday Testdrive" program and 70% of the people who called in LIKED the song so there you go. Have they added the song? ...no, why? ..because they are BIASED and don't care what their listeners think and it shows. The same could be said about many of the other large markets who haven't added the song. If you can't admit the simple fact that there is an obvious bias against Shania at various country stations then you are just reluctant to face reality. Btw, if you look under the surface, I Ain't No Quitter is actually a meaningful song about accepting your lovers faults....what is "Do you want fries with that" about exactly?
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2005 11:52:09 GMT -5
Someone's singing talent, looks and other things of that nature are OPINIONS. Not facts. I have no problem with your opinion that Shania can't sing. I disagree, but that's life. However, what you just said about Shania being a "has been" just completely cancels out your entire post. If Shania is a "has been," I could name countless artists who would love[/U] to be a "has been" like her. Even without hardly any promotion and no "Top 5 or # 1 hit" on country radio, her "Greatest Hits" cd has managed to outsell almost every country industry artist that has released a new studio album. Shania Twain's "Greatest Hits" cd is now over the 3 million mark in sales, according to Soundscan. That is more than most of the albums released in the country industry, including the industry-supported stars. The industry supported acts get the "# 1 and Top 5 hits" but they still can't sell cds. Shania Twain is a "has been"? Tell that to all of the artists with and without industry support and with/without those "hits" on country radio that can't even ship GOLD.
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Post by Love4Shania on May 31, 2005 13:29:34 GMT -5
lol, If Shania is a "has-been" then all the other artist in country music are a "never-was!"
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Post by kyhomeg on May 31, 2005 19:04:54 GMT -5
Shania can't write, and she can't sing, her success has only been because of her marketing, her looks and body she flaunts. She is one of the least talented in the business.
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2005 19:39:06 GMT -5
Oh look. Another troll.
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Post by Love4Shania on May 31, 2005 22:56:40 GMT -5
Shania can't write, and she can't sing, her success has only been because of her marketing, her looks and body she flaunts. She is one of the least talented in the business. Wow you truly know nothing about her, way to bring an intelligent argument to this board. Shania is one of the most talented in the business....looks are just an excuse to try and discredit someones success. People don't buy a CD for a picture slideshow, they buy it for music because otherwise they would have no use for it. Shania doesn't use publicity stunts, violence or "stripping down to her underware" to sell her music yet she has become one of the biggest selling artists of all time and COO is the best selling album by a female artist. Shania can write, you obviously haven't heard many Shania songs before. Shania can sing, you obviously haven't seen many Shania performances before. Shania doesn't overly flaunt her looks, she actually shows a lot less skin then what people say, that has become a nothing but a stereotype. If "success was from her marketing" was true then that completely contradicts with the way she is treated on country radio. Radio is a marketing tool and Shania gets mediocre airplay on country radio at best. Shania "one of the least talented" in the business? ...what a load of rubbish, you obviously know nothing about talent! Name 1 female who is "more talented" then Shania and had the sort of success and impact that Shania has had.
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Post by kyhomeg on May 31, 2005 23:09:37 GMT -5
In my opinion and I am allowed to have a opinion, she cannot write, I don't call that trash she sings writing and defintley not country songs. Her voice is very weak, and that is why she sings the garbage she does because of her medicore voice. I think her success was all about image, her looks and 100% not based on her voice or songs.
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Post by Zazie on Jun 1, 2005 0:03:17 GMT -5
In my opinion and I am allowed to have a opinion, she cannot write, I don't call that trash she sings writing and defintley not country songs. Her voice is very weak, and that is why she sings the garbage she does because of her medicore voice. I think her success was all about image, her looks and 100% not based on her voice or songs. I wonder why anybody would respond to your posts. Come on, Shania fans, don't feed the troll and it will go somewhere else. I myself don't think Shania is especially good but I'm happy to allow her fans to enjoy her music without my commentary running her down. But really, if you think Tim McGraw's so hot, you're at most one baby step away from Shania anyway. Talk about weak voices and success based on marketing.... I guess that's why you have to attack Shania. That way, you take attention away from the feeble (but unbelievably successful) Tim. "Indian Outlaw" has lyrics that, on her worst day, Shania couldn't produce something inferior to. If she tried. No, shoot me, disable my keyboard, don't let me start responding.
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Post by Love4Shania on Jun 1, 2005 9:19:26 GMT -5
kyhomeg you call Shania all that rubbish yet you like Tim Mcgraw....what irony. Shania is a thousand times a better singer, songwriter, performer and person then what Tim could ever be. Now go away troll.
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Post by Marv on Jun 1, 2005 12:41:18 GMT -5
The bottom line is this folks; since these conglomerates purchased essentially all of the radio stations out there, their #1 objective has been to please Wall Street's insatiable demands for a steadily increasing stock price.
Since the folks who own Clear Channel (and the other conglomerates) don't know what good radio is, and have obssessed with cost-cutting more than anything else, they've come to rely even MORE on tessting and research than ever before.
Simultaneously, you have LOTS of PDS out there who don't have the job security they used to when their station was owned either by an individual, or by a company which was REALLY passionate about creating LISTENABLE radio stations in ALL formats, and not just country.
Consequently, those same PDs have become VERY conservative at playing ONLY the safest music out there, and relying on testing even more before deciding whether or not to play a song. This has been VERY detrimental to the tons of new artists who've come along in the past 3-5 years, and only a few of them have REALLY made it big, including Keith Urban, Brad Paisley, & Joe Nichols.
There are too many PDs out there who'd rather play 'When The Sun Goes Down' or 'Letters From Home' AGAIN instead of giving a new single from the likes of a Blaine Larsen or a Miranda Lambert a shot simply because it's the SAFE choice, and because their research tells them to, irregardless of the fact that the audience is probably sick of the song to begin with.
R J Curtis of KZLA here in L A has been VERY agressive in playing new music very early, and there are numerous CD cuts (such as Tim McGraw's 'Telluride') which KZLA plays steadily.
Furthermore, he's not afraid to have afternoon host Whitney Allen play new music smack dab in the middle of afternoon drive (when listeners can actually HEAR it!!!); a recent 10-minute block consisted of a George Strait classic ('I Cross My Heart') with a new song in front of it ('Play Something Country' by Brooks & Dunn), and another new song behind it (Shooter Jennings).
If the industry's obssession with testing and research has claimed Ms. Twain as it's latest victim, then it's pretty safe to say that she won't be the last.
However, since she's easily the most played female artist in the format (especially on 'After Midnite With Blair Garner', where she's light-years ahead of Reba, Martina, The Judds, Lorrie Morgan, Mary Chapin Carpenter and the other female stars of the format), she's not going away anytime soon, even given her recent struggles at the format compared to 7-10 years ago.
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Post by musicfan_84 on Jun 1, 2005 12:51:50 GMT -5
The bottom line is this folks; since these conglomerates purchased essentially all of the radio stations out there, their #1 objective has been to please Wall Street's insatiable demands for a steadily increasing stock price. Since the folks who own Clear Channel (and the other conglomerates) don't know what good radio is, and have obssessed with cost-cutting more than anything else, they've come to rely even MORE on tessting and research than ever before. Simultaneously, you have LOTS of PDS out there who don't have the job security they used to when their station was owned either by an individual, or by a company which was REALLY passionate about creating LISTENABLE radio stations in ALL formats, and not just country. Consequently, those same PDs have become VERY conservative at playing ONLY the safest music out there, and relying on testing even more before deciding whether or not to play a song. This has been VERY detrimental to the tons of new artists who've come along in the past 3-5 years, and only a few of them have REALLY made it big, including Keith Urban, Brad Paisley, & Joe Nichols. There are too many PDs out there who'd rather play 'When The Sun Goes Down' or 'Letters From Home' AGAIN instead of giving a new single from the likes of a Blaine Larsen or a Miranda Lambert a shot simply because it's the SAFE choice, and because their research tells them to, irregardless of the fact that the audience is probably sick of the song to begin with. R J Curtis of KZLA here in L A has been VERY agressive in playing new music very early, and there are numerous CD cuts (such as Tim McGraw's 'Telluride') which KZLA plays steadily. Furthermore, he's not afraid to have afternoon host Whitney Allen play new music smack dab in the middle of afternoon drive (when listeners can actually HEAR it!!!); a recent 10-minute block consisted of a George Strait classic ('I Cross My Heart') with a new song in front of it ('Play Something Country' by Brooks & Dunn), and another new song behind it (Shooter Jennings). If the industry's obssession with testing and research has claimed Ms. Twain as it's latest victim, then it's pretty safe to say that she won't be the last. However, since she's easily the most played female artist in the format (especially on 'After Midnite With Blair Garner', where she's light-years ahead of Reba, Martina, The Judds, Lorrie Morgan, Mary Chapin Carpenter and the other female stars of the format), she's not going away anytime soon, even given her recent struggles at the format compared to 7-10 years ago. Marv, I couldn't have said it better myself. That is what's so wrong with radio today. I miss the radio back in the 90s... you can definately tell the difference... there was actually variety back then.
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Post by kyhomeg on Jun 1, 2005 13:02:19 GMT -5
Sorry but the quality of Tim songs that he records are 1000 times better then the trash Shania writes. You can't even compared them. His new album has some of the most deverse and best songs of his career. Nothin Shania has ever written can compare to songs like, "Kill Myself", "We Carry On", "Walk Like A Man", "Old Town New", "Open Season of My Heart", 'Blank Sheet of Paper", "LLYWD" and the great, "My Old Friend".Sorry there is nothing in Shania last two albums that even comes close in writing to the qulaity of them songs.
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Post by Love4Shania on Jun 1, 2005 16:57:48 GMT -5
Sorry but the quality of Tim songs that he records are 1000 times better then the trash Shania writes. You can't even compared them. His new album has some of the most deverse and best songs of his career. Nothin Shania has ever written can compare to songs like, "Kill Myself", "We Carry On", "Walk Like A Man", "Old Town New", "Open Season of My Heart", 'Blank Sheet of Paper", "LLYWD" and the great, "My Old Friend".Sorry there is nothing in Shania last two albums that even comes close in writing to the qulaity of them songs. Tim's songs are cliche and he has zero originality. He could never write something exceptional like Black Eyes Blue Tears, I Ain't Goin Down, Any Man Of Mine, Ka-Ching, What A Way To Wanna Be, She's Not Just A Pretty Face, I'm Jealous, It Only Hurts, When, or something as epic as From this Moment On. All Tim wants to do is write songs which please the industry so that radio plays his songs because all the industry recognition and awards he wins are the only saving grace he has of calling himself a success. Tim will never make the sort of impact what Shania made with Come On Over, which is an album of a million times more quality then anything Tim McGraw could ever release. Oh, and Tim can't sing, his last performance was completely abysmal...his weak, limited range, off key, out of pitch voice makes Darth Vader sound like an opera singer. Shania is more talented then Tim, she writes all her own songs and melodies on guitar and can even perform with one while singing, she has everything from attitude to charisma in her voice and godly stage presence.
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Post by musicfan_84 on Jun 1, 2005 17:05:57 GMT -5
Alright everyone, let's stop this artist bashing. Lots of Shania fans, and tons of Tim fans on this board. We don't need this.
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Post by Perp on Jun 1, 2005 17:32:09 GMT -5
Alright everyone, let's stop this artist bashing. Lots of Shania fans, and tons of Tim fans on this board. We don't need this. Amen.
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Post by austin on Jun 1, 2005 19:27:37 GMT -5
Can't we like both? :) .
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Post by bamafan2102 on Jun 1, 2005 19:29:12 GMT -5
No bashing, but I do agree that the reason this song is not being played very much is that it isn't good. I have read the "It's country" argument a lot here and that dosen't fly with me. Yeah it's country. Just because it's country dosen't make it good. I know it's a big "if", but if another artist did this song I feel it would still not be a huge hit. It's not a good song. She should have skipped this song and brought out a new single in August or September. If Shania does make a turn to a more counrty sound, I hope this is not it.
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