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Post by DJ General on Apr 28, 2014 16:01:43 GMT -5
This is now officially #1 on the Billboard Alt chart. Congrats on your second #1, Fitz & The Tantrums! Wow, I am so happy at how big they have become. I do not really like this song though. Here's hoping that Fools Gold is released next. Will be huge!
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Post by cking33 on Apr 29, 2014 17:14:22 GMT -5
"Spark," "Fool's Gold," and "Break the Walls" sound like ready-made singles.
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Post by Doc Indie Party Rock on Jun 8, 2014 1:20:17 GMT -5
Fitz and The Tantrums have been a long time comming. I can pickout something I like from all thier songs. My favourite from the new album has to be "6 AM" followed by "Out Of My league" "The Walker" and "Merry Go Round" "Spark".
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Post by Pipa on Jun 24, 2014 22:05:59 GMT -5
This just dropped from 4 to 17 on the Canadian charts. Can you say bounced cheques?
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Post by Green Baron on Jun 24, 2014 22:19:03 GMT -5
Why can't it drop from the US, goddamn.
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Post by Doc Indie Party Rock on Jun 27, 2014 4:20:47 GMT -5
"The Walker" did great on Alt charts(1) and Adult radio(11), but top 40 seriously fell asleep on this one. They did the same thing to "out Of My League" Another big number one on Alt rock charts. They probobly paniced at the Billboard top 40 and thought Fitz and his gang would be number one for a very long time if top 40 radio stations actually played the song.
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Post by Devin on Jun 27, 2014 8:31:48 GMT -5
"The Walker" did great on Alt charts(1) and Adult radio(11), but top 40 seriously fell asleep on this one. They did the same thing to "out Of My League" Another big number one on Alt rock charts. They probobly paniced at the Billboard top 40 and thought Fitz and his gang would be number one for a very long time if top 40 radio stations actually played the song. Lol, you say this as if Billboard controlled what radio plays, when in fact it's the complete opposite.
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Post by Doc Indie Party Rock on Jun 29, 2014 1:24:54 GMT -5
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It's actually the record companies. They buy the positions on Billboard for certain artists. The ones that never seem to leave the charts. To be honest Billboard's top 100 is completely irrevelent to me now. It's 90%l Rap and Country and I don't know one person who listens to that stuff. Thier other charts are more accurate. Anyway; for more accurate radio and sales numbers , I look to media base; which is really different from Billboard.
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Post by Web on Jun 29, 2014 8:08:01 GMT -5
It's actually the record companies. They buy the positions on Billboard for certain artists. The ones that never seem to leave the charts. To be honest Billboard's top 100 is completely irrevelent to me now. It's 90%l Rap and Country and I don't know one person who listens to that stuff. Thier other charts are more accurate. Anyway; for more accurate radio and sales numbers , I look to media base; which is really different from Billboard. You don't know one person who listens to Rap or Country music? Where do you live?
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Post by Devin on Jun 29, 2014 9:31:13 GMT -5
Devin Latimer It's actually the record companies. They buy the positions on Billboard for certain artists. The ones that never seem to leave the charts. To be honest Billboard's top 100 is completely irrevelent to me now. It's 90%l Rap and Country and I don't know one person who listens to that stuff. Thier other charts are more accurate. Anyway; for more accurate radio and sales numbers , I look to media base; which is really different from Billboard. What? The Billboard Hot 100 is compiled using sales data, radio airplay, and streaming data. Sure, a record company could manipulate one or more of those variables, but I am 100% sure that they cannot 'buy positions' from Billboard for their artists. That's ridiculous, haha. If you have a source for that statement, please bring it to my attention.
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Post by Doc Indie Party Rock on Jul 1, 2014 2:10:14 GMT -5
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I do know a source, but I really can't say. But hey, isn't it obvious to you. How else would you explain how drastically different The Billboard charts are the 70s, 80s nor 90s. I'm not talking about the styles of music either. I'm talking about song's chart life. A song would move up the charts make it's peak and either gradually or quickly desend off the list. making way for new bands and artists. Nowadays song's hang around for up to 50 weaks. In some cases even more, like Imagine Dragons- Radioactive. So much that "On Top Of The World" couldn't even crack the top 40.
The way bands have internet access nowadays could prove a sure fire platform for them to promote thier songs and get more recognition on youtube and what not. Therefore; theoretically we should have even more bands and new music constantly entering the Billboard charts then we ever did the last three decades. Why don't we? Because they are to some extent controled. To the extent of only featuring the same artists over and over with the few indie artists occasionally being aloud to enter. Sometimes thier popularity is so huge; as in Lorde's "Royals" case, that they cannot be ignored.
here is one example that I recieved to help me better understand how Billboard Hot 100 works. Two artists release new songs. let's say Rihanna and Capital Cities. Capital Cities is actually getting more radio exposure than the Rihanna, but because Rihnna is a top 10 favourite, her songs will actually be aloud to enter the charts before Capital Cities. Infact, let's say Capital Cities song is actually getting about 100 more points radio and saleswise, but still Billboard will push the Rihanna song before the Capital Cities. That is how Billboard Hot 100 really works.
When I found out about this method is when I lost all faith in Billboard Hot 100....and yes Media base pop chart is so much different than the Billboard Hot 100. So it makes perfect sense to me what I told few years back.
So far this method is only being used on the Hot 100, not on the other Billboard charts. Those are still being tallied fairly.
So if you ever wonder why you never hear half the songs on that Billboard Hot 100 on the radio, now you know.
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Post by Devin on Jul 1, 2014 6:51:36 GMT -5
Devin Latimer I do know a source, but I really can't say. But hey, isn't it obvious to you. How else would you explain how drastically different The Billboard charts are the 70s, 80s nor 90s. I'm not talking about the styles of music either. I'm talking about song's chart life. A song would move up the charts make it's peak and either gradually or quickly desend off the list. making way for new bands and artists. Nowadays song's hang around for up to 50 weaks. In some cases even more, like Imagine Dragons- Radioactive. So much that "On Top Of The World" couldn't even crack the top 40. The way bands have internet access nowadays could prove a sure fire platform for them to promote thier songs and get more recognition on youtube and what not. Therefore; theoretically we should have even more bands and new music constantly entering the Billboard charts then we ever did the last three decades. Why don't we? Because they are to some extent controled. To the extent of only featuring the same artists over and over with the few indie artists occasionally being aloud to enter. Sometimes thier popularity is so huge; as in Lorde's "Royals" case, that they cannot be ignored. here is one example that I recieved to help me better understand how Billboard Hot 100 works. Two artists release new songs. let's say Rihanna and Capital Cities. Capital Cities is actually getting more radio exposure than the Rihanna, but because Rihnna is a top 10 favourite, her songs will actually be aloud to enter the charts before Capital Cities. Infact, let's say Capital Cities song is actually getting about 100 more points radio and saleswise, but still Billboard will push the Rihanna song before the Capital Cities. That is how Billboard Hot 100 really works. When I found out about this method is when I lost all faith in Billboard Hot 100....and yes Media base pop chart is so much different than the Billboard Hot 100. So it makes perfect sense to me what I told few years back. So far this method is only being used on the Hot 100, not on the other Billboard charts. Those are still being tallied fairly. So if you ever wonder why you never hear half the songs on that Billboard Hot 100 on the radio, now you know. Wrong. Back in before 1998, the Hot 100 was compiled with only physical single releases. This is why songs had drastically different chart trajectories compared to what they have today. People would buy those single releases like albums, and therefore, singles had similar chart runs to what albums do on the Billboard 200. Now, to your example about Rihanna vs Capital Cities. That is pretty absurd. If Capital Cities did have more points than Rihanna for the Hot 100, they WILL chart ahead of her. No one can buy points from Billboard. They can, however, manipulate sales, airplay, and streaming. So really, I think you're just looking at this the wrong way. Hopefully these points clear up some things for you.
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Post by Chuckles, The Silly Piggy on Jul 1, 2014 15:44:25 GMT -5
I wish this song did well in the Pop charts... I wonder why they skipped Out of My League and let this fall...
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Post by Doc Indie Party Rock on Jul 2, 2014 1:16:37 GMT -5
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Right or wrong,I'm just relating what ex dee jays and promoters tell me about how things really work in the music industry nowadays.
Your word "Manipulate" is a great word..and That's exactly my point. Rihanna's label will notice the Capital Cities song getting more exposure and they(record label) will call up certain radio stations and pay them to give thier Rihanna song more air time. Sometimes 2-3 times an hour. People begin to get reception of what they hear more from the radio, therefore the Rihanna song becomes more popular. Either way you look at it; it's not fair play. It's a known fact record companies pay the radio ststions to play certain songs. It's been done for years, but it has never been done as dirty as it is done nowadays.
Anyaway , my point is that even on this forum I notice the charts posted are usually the mediabase charts and not the tainted Billboard Hot 100 and that makes me glad.
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Post by bkeysfan on Jul 27, 2014 17:30:23 GMT -5
Devin Latimer It's actually the record companies. They buy the positions on Billboard for certain artists. The ones that never seem to leave the charts. To be honest Billboard's top 100 is completely irrevelent to me now. It's 90%l Rap and Country and I don't know one person who listens to that stuff. Thier other charts are more accurate. Anyway; for more accurate radio and sales numbers , I look to media base; which is really different from Billboard. Really???? Last I saw this genre was crossing over in droves to the top 40 such as Lourde, Bastille, Shereen, Passenger.
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Post by Green Baron on Jul 27, 2014 17:43:35 GMT -5
Devin Latimer It's actually the record companies. They buy the positions on Billboard for certain artists. The ones that never seem to leave the charts. To be honest Billboard's top 100 is completely irrevelent to me now. It's 90%l Rap and Country and I don't know one person who listens to that stuff. Thier other charts are more accurate. Anyway; for more accurate radio and sales numbers , I look to media base; which is really different from Billboard. Really???? Last I saw this genre was crossing over in droves to the top 40 such as Lourde, Bastille, Shereen, Passenger. Ed and Passwnger are not Alternative artists. AAA, yes. As for Lorde...
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Post by bkeysfan on Jul 27, 2014 18:03:55 GMT -5
I heard Let Her GO one time on Got Alternative. So I think they were at the time or maybe it was a test. I haven't listened to Alt since April however because I have always just liked a bit more independent music. Lorde needs to go. That just does not come off as alt at all to me.
Maybe I should break out Got Alternative and 100 FMZ again and see what' going on lately on Tune-In.
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Post by Doc Indie Party Rock on Jul 28, 2014 21:26:05 GMT -5
I remember seeing "Let Her Go" enter bottom half of America's music charts but Phillip Phillips; Correct me if I'm wrong, "Home" hit top 40 on Alternative?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2014 21:28:15 GMT -5
I remember seeing "Let Her Go" enter bottom half of America's music charts but Phillip Phillips; Correct me if I'm wrong, "Home" hit top 40 on Alternative? yes
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Post by Green Baron on Jul 28, 2014 22:05:02 GMT -5
I remember seeing "Let Her Go" enter bottom half of America's music charts but Phillip Phillips; Correct me if I'm wrong, "Home" hit top 40 on Alternative? A pop crossover to Alt that never should have fucking happened.
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Post by bkeysfan on Jul 30, 2014 19:50:27 GMT -5
Btw this song, never being big on CHR, kind of surprised there. You'd think this song would be huge with it being played for the Oscar promos and all.
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Post by Web on Jul 30, 2014 22:12:08 GMT -5
I've also heard it on about a million different commercials. Still kinda upset it never took off on Pop despite a decent starting push.
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Post by Doc Indie Party Rock on Jul 31, 2014 18:58:03 GMT -5
Maybe it's better it didn't catch on on POp/ It might have hurt its chances to reach the top of Alt rock charts, with those elite few who thank that pop songs should not chart on Alt Rock and vice a versa. Therefore reducing it's sales.
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Post by Web on Jul 31, 2014 19:00:30 GMT -5
but sales have nothing to do with the Alternative charts. Reducing them wouldn't change anything about its chances to hit #1 Alternative. Also if its an "elite few" who think that, they wouldn't really make a big difference either.
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