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Post by .indulgecountry on Jul 13, 2014 13:16:47 GMT -5
Yes, it looks official now as far as MediaBase is concerned. Sorry to burst anybody's bubble but the MB chart isn't final until tomorrow. Yep, and "Whiskey in My Water" is back to #1 on Mediabase again, so that one day change-up definitely didn't stick. ;)
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Post by onebuffalo on Jul 14, 2014 7:59:39 GMT -5
Yes, it looks official now as far as MediaBase is concerned. Sorry to burst anybody's bubble but the MB chart isn't final until tomorrow. The Mediabase chart isn't final until Sunday evening, so no, it's not official. It's no different than how Joe Nichols is currently tracking #1 on Billboard. It's not a #1 yet because the week (for Billboard) goes through 11:59 PM on Sunday. For Mediabase the week goes through 11:59 PM on Saturdays (so tonight) but the finalized chart doesn't get published on AllAccess until sometime on Sunday evening. Sorry to burst anybody's bubble but the MB chart isn't final until tomorrow. Yep, and "Whiskey in My Water" is back to #1 on Mediabase again, so that one day change-up definitely didn't stick. ;) Could someone please tell me where I said it was official? The third word in my post was 'looks'. I did not say Chris Young IS #1 at MediaBase. I am certainly not planning a party here in Buffalo for Young yet!
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Post by kanimal on Jul 14, 2014 9:20:23 GMT -5
Interestingly, this went back to #1 today.
But was the Sunday update (with Tyler Farr at #1) the official one (it's weird - AllAccess doesn't include country in the weekly report with the other formats for some reason)? So this song hit #1 on Saturday's rolling, missed it on Sunday (and thus ranked at #2 on the published chart) and then went back to #1 on Monday.
It's not going to hold #1 all week, so it's going to miss out on number one. So close.
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Post by Kari on Jul 14, 2014 10:12:58 GMT -5
Interestingly, this went back to #1 today. But was the Sunday update (with Tyler Farr at #1) the official one (it's weird - AllAccess doesn't include country in the weekly report with the other formats for some reason)? So this song hit #1 on Saturday's rolling, missed it on Sunday (and thus ranked at #2 on the published chart) and then went back to #1 on Monday. It's not going to hold #1 all week, so it's going to miss out on number one. So close. If all of this is true, then I consider this a major collapse at the label for not supporting this song when it was this close. Why wouldn't you try and get your artist #1 on BOTH charts? #Hopeful for a turnabout on Mediabase. However, they are saying that Chris went #1 on Billboard on the more "esteemed," Country Airplay Chart. headlineplanet.com/home/2014/07/14/chris-youngs-returns-1-country/
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Post by renee75 on Jul 14, 2014 10:33:54 GMT -5
I find it so confusing that they have two different charts, and always have. But I'm happy to see him at #1 on at least one of them!
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Post by kanimal on Jul 14, 2014 10:52:06 GMT -5
Interestingly, this went back to #1 today. But was the Sunday update (with Tyler Farr at #1) the official one (it's weird - AllAccess doesn't include country in the weekly report with the other formats for some reason)? So this song hit #1 on Saturday's rolling, missed it on Sunday (and thus ranked at #2 on the published chart) and then went back to #1 on Monday. It's not going to hold #1 all week, so it's going to miss out on number one. So close. If all of this is true, then I consider this a major collapse at the label for not supporting this song when it was this close. Why wouldn't you try and get your artist #1 on BOTH charts? #Hopeful for a turnabout on Mediabase. However, they are saying that Chris went #1 on Billboard on the more "esteemed," Country Airplay Chart. headlineplanet.com/home/2014/07/14/chris-youngs-returns-1-country/Don't see the Billboard line in the article anymore. Wonder if it was either a mistake or an early call - I see that "Who I Am With You" is listed at #1 for Country Airplay on the Chris Young discography page on Wikipedia but #3 on the actual Wiki page for the song (which links directly to his Billboard listing that also confirms a #3 peak).
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Post by Kari on Jul 14, 2014 11:05:31 GMT -5
This was the original article from Headline Planet. A cruel twist of fate indeed.
What a cruel twist of fate.
After reaching #1 on the Saturday, July 12 edition of Mediabase’s rolling country airplay chart, Chris Young’s “Who I Am With You” slipped to #2 on the Sunday chart. Since the Sunday chart informs Mediabase’s “published” report, the Chris Young song missed out on scoring an official number one at Mediabase.
The honor instead went to Tyler Farr’s “Whiskey in My Water.”
Already a disappointing circumstance, the situation became even more unfortunate on Monday, when Chris Young’s “Who I Am With You” returned to #1 on the rolling airplay chart. Spun 7,369 times during the seven days ending July 13, “Who I Am With You” received more Monday-Sunday airplay than Farr’s “Whiskey.”
That uptick does not, however, change what was published by Mediabase. Farr’s song, which is now #2, reigns as the week’s number one.
And insofar Joe Nichols’ #3 “Yeah” (or perhaps Farr’s #2 “Whiskey in My Water”) is expected to be Mediabase’s number one country song by the time next week’s official update is published, “Who I Am With You” is unlikely to receive an official #1 ranking from Mediabase despite being the country format’s most-played song on multiple occasions.
In a welcome consolation prize, Young’s “Who I Am With You” did reach #1 on the more esteemed Billboard Country Airplay chart.
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Post by rsmatto on Jul 14, 2014 11:11:37 GMT -5
This was the original article from Headline Planet. A cruel twist of fate indeed. What a cruel twist of fate. After reaching #1 on the Saturday, July 12 edition of Mediabase’s rolling country airplay chart, Chris Young’s “Who I Am With You” slipped to #2 on the Sunday chart. Since the Sunday chart informs Mediabase’s “published” report, the Chris Young song missed out on scoring an official number one at Mediabase. The honor instead went to Tyler Farr’s “Whiskey in My Water.” Already a disappointing circumstance, the situation became even more unfortunate on Monday, when Chris Young’s “Who I Am With You” returned to #1 on the rolling airplay chart. Spun 7,369 times during the seven days ending July 13, “Who I Am With You” received more Monday-Sunday airplay than Farr’s “Whiskey.” That uptick does not, however, change what was published by Mediabase. Farr’s song, which is now #2, reigns as the week’s number one. And insofar Joe Nichols’ #3 “Yeah” (or perhaps Farr’s #2 “Whiskey in My Water”) is expected to be Mediabase’s number one country song by the time next week’s official update is published, “Who I Am With You” is unlikely to receive an official #1 ranking from Mediabase despite being the country format’s most-played song on multiple occasions. In a welcome consolation prize, Young’s “Who I Am With You” did reach #1 on the more esteemed Billboard Country Airplay chart.Which means RCA/Sony Nashville got what they wanted with both artists getting #1.
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Post by Kari on Jul 14, 2014 11:14:43 GMT -5
Which means RCA/Sony Nashville got what they wanted with both artists getting #1.
Not if Chris wasn't #1 on Billboard. This article posted it originally then pulled it. Not sure where he stands. I guess we wait out the published Billboard chart to see who actually made it to #1.
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Post by kirkw on Jul 14, 2014 11:15:13 GMT -5
This was the original article from Headline Planet. A cruel twist of fate indeed. What a cruel twist of fate. After reaching #1 on the Saturday, July 12 edition of Mediabase’s rolling country airplay chart, Chris Young’s “Who I Am With You” slipped to #2 on the Sunday chart. Since the Sunday chart informs Mediabase’s “published” report, the Chris Young song missed out on scoring an official number one at Mediabase. The honor instead went to Tyler Farr’s “Whiskey in My Water.” Already a disappointing circumstance, the situation became even more unfortunate on Monday, when Chris Young’s “Who I Am With You” returned to #1 on the rolling airplay chart. Spun 7,369 times during the seven days ending July 13, “Who I Am With You” received more Monday-Sunday airplay than Farr’s “Whiskey.” That uptick does not, however, change what was published by Mediabase. Farr’s song, which is now #2, reigns as the week’s number one. And insofar Joe Nichols’ #3 “Yeah” (or perhaps Farr’s #2 “Whiskey in My Water”) is expected to be Mediabase’s number one country song by the time next week’s official update is published, “Who I Am With You” is unlikely to receive an official #1 ranking from Mediabase despite being the country format’s most-played song on multiple occasions. In a welcome consolation prize, Young’s “Who I Am With You” did reach #1 on the more esteemed Billboard Country Airplay chart.Sony placed a higher priority on Tyler Farr this week because of the bigger impact this has to Tyler's career, which isn't nearly as established as Chris. This was Tyler's only shot as this record couldn't sustain much longer. I don't think it's anything more to it than that.
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Post by rsmatto on Jul 14, 2014 11:18:16 GMT -5
Which means RCA/Sony Nashville got what they wanted with both artists getting #1. Not if Chris wasn't #1 on Billboard. This article posted it originally then pulled it. Not sure where he stands. I guess we wait out the published Billboard chart to see who actually made it to #1. And Chris will get to #1 or peak at #2 and is going Gold with a BALLAD in this day and age. He's fine.
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Post by onebuffalo on Jul 14, 2014 11:19:05 GMT -5
Which means RCA/Sony Nashville got what they wanted with both artists getting #1. Not if Chris wasn't #1 on Billboard. This article posted it originally then pulled it. Not sure where he stands. I guess we wait out the published Billboard chart to see who actually made it to #1. I'm guessing Chris Young DID make #1 on the Billboard chart, but I'm holding off until the chart highlights come out this afternoon!
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Post by kirkw on Jul 14, 2014 11:31:20 GMT -5
He needs a song that can do what Jake Owens has done with "Beachin" at RCA Nashville and that's get to number one on the Billboard "Hot Country" list. WIAWY peaked at #8 on that chart. You reach the top of that chart, you're making a big impact which I would think is the goal of the lead single of his next project. Like it or not, that's the chart most people in the mainstream pay attention to these days.
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Post by onebuffalo on Jul 14, 2014 11:33:27 GMT -5
He needs a song that can do what Jake Owens has done with "Beachin" at RCA Nashville and that's get to number one on the Billboard "Hot Country" list. WIAWY peaked at #8 on that chart. You reach the top of that chart, you're making a big impact which I would think is the goal of the lead single of his next project. Like it or not, that's the chart most people pay attention to these days. Don't forget, Beachin' is a seasonal song where Who I Am With You is not, so Jake Owen got plenty of help and airplay there.
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Post by rsmatto on Jul 14, 2014 11:54:10 GMT -5
He needs a song that can do what Jake Owens has done with "Beachin" at RCA Nashville and that's get to number one on the Billboard "Hot Country" list. WIAWY peaked at #8 on that chart. You reach the top of that chart, you're making a big impact which I would think is the goal of the lead single of his next project. Like it or not, that's the chart most people in the mainstream pay attention to these days. Most people in the mainstream don't pay attention to any sort of charts. We are not "mainstream" people here on this board.
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Post by kanimal on Jul 14, 2014 12:04:19 GMT -5
He needs a song that can do what Jake Owens has done with "Beachin" at RCA Nashville and that's get to number one on the Billboard "Hot Country" list. WIAWY peaked at #8 on that chart. You reach the top of that chart, you're making a big impact which I would think is the goal of the lead single of his next project. Like it or not, that's the chart most people in the mainstream pay attention to these days. Most people in the mainstream don't pay attention to any sort of charts. We are not "mainstream" people here on this board. I think a good amount of people know the "Hot 100" because of the memorable name and the fact that it's all-encompassing. Plus, artists seem to actually Tweet and mention the Hot 100 when communicating with fans. With genre charts, I think people will repeat what they're told. An artist or label confirming a song "Went #1" will be remembered and repeated, but I don't know that the average listener is differentiating between Mediabase's airplay #1, Billboard's country airplay #1 or Billboard's Hot Country Songs #1.
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Post by kirkw on Jul 14, 2014 12:15:00 GMT -5
Seasonal or not, Chris hasn't had a song that's sold as big as "Barefoot Bluejean Night" or "Beachin'" I'm just hoping the next lead single generates big sales in addition to country radio airplay. Chris hasn't had a song that's carried the CD to great heights yet. What I like about his latest single is he's back in position to elevate his status to a sustained high level. Can't have any more fallback, and it's not likely to happen with "Lonely Eyes" which is a very good choice for next single. Table should be set very well for what's coming in 2015.
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Post by sabre14 on Jul 14, 2014 12:49:02 GMT -5
Most people in the mainstream don't pay attention to any sort of charts. We are not "mainstream" people here on this board. I think a good amount of people know the "Hot 100" because of the memorable name and the fact that it's all-encompassing. Plus, artists seem to actually Tweet and mention the Hot 100 when communicating with fans. With genre charts, I think people will repeat what they're told. An artist or label confirming a song "Went #1" will be remembered and repeated, but I don't know that the average listener is differentiating between Mediabase's airplay #1, Billboard's country airplay #1 or Billboard's Hot Country Songs #1. Completely agree with the second half. Most country fans will say a song went #1 because they heard it said numerous times. They don't know what Mediabase is or the "real" airplay chart is when it comes to Billboard. Personally I still have a soft spot for MB because that's the one I've followed most of my life but these pushes really get under my skin. There used to be some pushes to get songs #1, but the past 4-5 years it's gotten quite ridiculous. The worst was that "Friday Night" debacle a few months back, when it was pretty evident it should have peaked no higher that #4 on both charts. I know it's probably never going to change now, since so many labels have it down to a science for how to manipulate the charts and radio to have it fall the way they want it but it makes me sad that going #1 now is no longer a huge accomplishment. There's been a few over the past few years I would deem a big accomplishment like the impressive run of "Good Directions" and "Find Out Who Your Friends Are" in 2007 or the underdog Lofton Creek promoted "I Loved Her First" but most are the simple one week variety, and technically they don't even last one week but rather one day in the case of "Whiskey In My Water", even though I suspect the final point total will end up being extremely close between Tyler and Chris come this evening's final published edition.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2014 16:51:56 GMT -5
He needs a song that can do what Jake Owens has done with "Beachin" at RCA Nashville and that's get to number one on the Billboard "Hot Country" list. WIAWY peaked at #8 on that chart. You reach the top of that chart, you're making a big impact which I would think is the goal of the lead single of his next project. Like it or not, that's the chart most people in the mainstream pay attention to these days. Actually I don't think too many people pay attention to the Hot Country Songs chart. I mean if fans hear that a song went #1 there then sure, they'll spread the word, but all the labels and industry people are only focused on radio because they can influence what radio plays whereas they can't really influence a person's decision as to whether he/she will buy a song or not. So from a record label and PR standpoint, the airplay charts are much more important and I don't see that changing. But if a country song is #1 on any sales charts they will definitely tout that accomplishment as well. Anyway, Chris is NOT #1 on any chart this week. Tyler Farr was #1 on Mediabase (for only a day, but the cut-off is Sunday and that's when Farr was #1) and Joe Nichols is #1 on Billboard Country Airplay. It appears to me that the Headline Planet folks got very confused as they kept saying "Mediabase Country Airplay" but that just confuses things. Mediabase is an airplay-only chart as well but the term "country airplay chart" is associated with Billboard.
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Post by onebuffalo on Jul 14, 2014 16:51:59 GMT -5
I'll take a stab here and say Chris Young finishes #2 on BOTH charts.
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Post by kirkw on Jul 14, 2014 20:36:01 GMT -5
Radio airplay, as important as it remains to be, isn't the only indicator of a song's popularity as it once was. When it comes to the business of an artist, the iTunes songs chart and streaming numbers are nowadays as important as radio airplay spins. Their methodology may be somewhat flawed, but the point I was making is an artist who tops the Billboard Hot Country Songs chart is evidence of real impact in terms of overall visibility and sales which is the truest of measuring sticks.
For what it's worth, I'm predicting WIAWY tops both country airplay charts next week.
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Post by sabre14 on Jul 14, 2014 22:32:22 GMT -5
I think a good amount of people know the "Hot 100" because of the memorable name and the fact that it's all-encompassing. Plus, artists seem to actually Tweet and mention the Hot 100 when communicating with fans. With genre charts, I think people will repeat what they're told. An artist or label confirming a song "Went #1" will be remembered and repeated, but I don't know that the average listener is differentiating between Mediabase's airplay #1, Billboard's country airplay #1 or Billboard's Hot Country Songs #1. even though I suspect the final point total will end up being extremely close between Tyler and Chris come this evening's final published edition. Well, extremely close indeed just as I predicted. ;) Tyler edged out Chris by just 61 total points on Sunday making it one of the closest calls I've seen in recent years on Mediabase.
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Post by Kari on Jul 14, 2014 22:44:45 GMT -5
#1 on the Indicator Chart for Billboard this week and #1 on the Country Aircheck Activator bodes well for this week to come? I personally hope to see a #1 on Billboard (it's so close) and I am also hopeful he can hold off Joe Nichols on the Mediabase Chart to capture a #1 there as well. www1.billboard.biz/bbbiz/photos/pdf/2013/country_update_0714.pdf
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Post by Marv on Jul 15, 2014 1:56:24 GMT -5
Very few folks on this board take the BB Hot Country Songs chart seriously; I've never seen a more ridiculed chart at any time in any other music/broadcasting publication during the past 40+ years, and that chart has been universally condemned on this board since day one.
I also agree that the chart manipulation is downright reprehensible but is not going to go away, and will continue to benefit some artists substantially more than others, starting (of course) with Taylor Swift, who happens to work for a fellow who is seriously obsessed with hollow victories.
I hope Chris can get to #1 this week, since this is far superior to the overwhelming majority of songs currently in the top 40 IMHO; he's definitely a superb asset to the format.
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Post by ichabod on Jul 15, 2014 11:37:38 GMT -5
Had dinner last night with my buddy who is head of promotions at Columbia. Got a quick scan through Kenny's upcoming album, I think it's his best work in 10 years. My best friend, Chase McGill co-wrote track 8 with Brent Cobb. It's called "Don't It" I can't wait for y'all to hear it.
Marv is correct about the Billboard Hot Country Songs chart. That usually isn't used in town to deem a song worthy of a #1. Mediabase is THE chart everyone follows. My buddy admitted how messed up the business is but he has to fight for his artists, which I understand. RCA is pushing big for CY this week and Joe's TM told me Joe's camp is holding off for next week for their big push. Still crossing fingers for this week though. Anything can happen.
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Post by Kari on Jul 15, 2014 11:49:49 GMT -5
Had dinner last night with my buddy who is head of promotions at Columbia. Got a quick scan through Kenny's upcoming album, I think it's his best work in 10 years. My best friend, Chase McGill co-wrote track 8 with Brent Cobb. It's called "Don't It" I can't wait for y'all to hear it. Marv is correct about the Billboard Hot Country Songs chart. That usually isn't used in town to deem a song worthy of a #1. Mediabase is THE chart everyone follows. My buddy admitted how messed up the business is but he has to fight for his artists, which I understand. RCA is pushing big for CY this week and Joe's TM told me Joe's camp is holding off for next week for their big push. Still crossing fingers for this week though. Anything can happen. With your stamp of approval I am really looking forward to hearing Kenny's new album. Taking time off touring certainly agrees with him. In regards to Chris, I am not going to lie, I am nervous. I do not want talent like his to be overlooked. Having 6 #1's in your back pocket is a BIG deal.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2014 15:44:46 GMT -5
Joe outgains Chris by 200k this morning (+594k for "Yeah", +392k for WIAMY) but Chris wins the spins-battle (+76 for him, +60 for Joe).
I would think that Chris and RCA can get the Mediabase #1 at the very least but even if Red Bow doesn't push too hard this week, Joe's song is just a bit hotter right now so he could hang on to the Billboard #1 for a 2nd week, and have 2 weeks at #1 there before ever topping the Mediabase chart.
Still a lot of days left in the week though but right now both of them are gaining pretty strongly.
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Post by patt on Jul 15, 2014 19:00:34 GMT -5
Well this gives me hope for a #1 for Chris this week. I have to admit I hope me can hold on this week and makes it to #1. Fingers crossed!
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Post by onebuffalo on Jul 16, 2014 8:27:18 GMT -5
I'll take a stab here and say Chris Young finishes #2 on BOTH charts. Not a bad guess on my behalf. However, I would love to see Chris Young nab a #1 here so I can move him up on the list of those with the most #1s.
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Post by 43dudleyvillas on Jul 16, 2014 11:33:55 GMT -5
Folks, just as a note, Headline Planet is one of those crowd-sourced "journalism" sites that aggregates content from around the internet (including this message board) and then presents it as original reporting. As the article quoted here showed, the writer had no direct access to the relevant Billboard chart (and didn't let that stop him from posting the article), and also didn't appear to understand how and when chart peaks are determined. In short, Headline Planet, like the Examiner, Cambio, Gather, Policy Mic, and other sites, exists for the purpose of generating clicks, but is not a reliable source of original news. In any event, I'm happy for Chris Young that "Who Am I With You" has had a relatively smooth run up the charts. I do think though that Sony Nashville's Tyler Farr push is likely to cost him a Billboard #1. Joe Nichols' "Yeah" outpaced Chris by just 587K in audience last week when "Who Am I With You" led going into last week, and I chalk that gap up to Sony Nashville holding back "Who Am I With You" for the sake of "Whiskey in My Water." Now that "Yeah" is ahead at Billboard, I think that it will be difficult for "Who Am I With You" to catch it. "Yeah" continues to lead on the Billboard Real-Time Tracker this morning, and Mediabase updates so far this week show larger audience gains for "Yeah" than "Who Am I With You." So this is looking like RCA Nashville snatching a Mediabase-only #1 from the jaws of Mediabase and Billboard #1. As for the next single, "Lonely Eyes" would be far and away my favorite single from this album and my favorite Chris single since "Neon." I'm eager to hear where Chris goes on his next album (welcome, thanks, and good luck, ichabod!) -- I'm hopeful that the music, his uptempos in particular, will be less shackled by the narrow beer/party/truck/hotties lane that seemed to be the only road to country airplay in the past eighteen months. While I understand Chris wanting and achieving more energy in his live shows with rockers, I don't think he has yet released one that suits his natural phrasing tendencies. He really is such a special vocalist -- beyond that buttery baritone, I think one of the reasons his ballads and midtempos tend to go over so well is that they give him space to deliver each line in his own way -- he is, stylistically, a storyteller and a conversationalist, and his uptempo rockers have tended to force him away from that into something less distinguishable. kirkw, you've talked about wanting to see Chris get to that next level, and mentioned that he hasn't had a song sell as well as "Beachin'" and "Barefoot Blue Jean Night." That may be true, but I would argue that despite those hits, Jake Owen hasn't achieved separation from the pack either (I think that Jake's next single pick shows how much he, too, craves artistic separation from the pack of "bros"). The conventional wisdom in the industry seems to be that whereas the females who break through within the country genre do so by distinguishing themselves somehow, the males are more likely to succeed these days by fitting in. That seems to be the philosophy labels have adopted (especially in the past eighteen months) when choosing radio singles. But what that creates is a slew of male commercial successes whom the general public has difficulty picking out of a lineup. Thus we have Justin Moore, veteran of a string of #1 hits, but not identifiable enough to warrant a full performance slot on a major network country awards show. Ditto Brantley Gilbert, and so on. My point in saying all this is that Chris Young has the voice to gain separation from the pack (which is what creates the kind of investment that will generate not just track sales and album sales, but also ticket sales). In my view, A.M. hasn't done that for him because too much of it skews to the middle of the road, likely driven by the desire to shore up Chris' place at country radio in a time when it was incredibly narrow (to the point of rejecting "Neon"). But it seems like the industry is ready to leave that narrow phase behind, and that gives Chris an opportunity to make his move. I like "Lonely Eyes" as a single pick because its lyrics have a sophistication and clever turns more suited to Chris's voice than what country radio's reigning bro writers have typically offered, and because the way Chris drops his voice for the "be lookin' for something" line encapsulates how he can pack multiple emotions into a seemingly ordinary lyric. The production is a little more aggressive than I would prefer. But the melody does a good job achieving arena-friendliness while leaving enough space for Chris to curl it country's way. I hope that "Lonely Eyes" has the kind of success Chris can build on moving forward, and that he feels freer to chase songs that no one else in the genre but him can really own.
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