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Post by kirkw on Jul 16, 2014 14:08:05 GMT -5
Excellent post, 43donkeyvillas. The bigger point here is we agree Chris Young has that rare gift not many artists have and that's the ability carve out his own niche and stand out from the crowd. It was very disappointing "Neon" didn't fare better at radio and I think that led to "Aw Naw" and the direction he took with "A.M." Let's hope we're at a different place in 2015 where he can break through with material that can dictate instead of fitting in with what's already there. You are absolutely correct in saying Owens, Moore, Gilbert haven't broken through either despite the big hit records they've had. At this point, it is about the song and how he makes it his own that will ultimately set him apart from the crowd. We'll see if Ichabod is part of that transformation. If so, it could be historic. Chris Young is that good.
I'm also watching very carefully what happens with Randy Houser's "Like a Cowboy" which is as powerful as anything I've heard on country radio in a good long while.
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Post by Kari on Jul 17, 2014 11:36:45 GMT -5
"15" consecutive weeks at #1 for Chris on the Billboard Radio Feed Back Chart. He has also been at the Top Spot for a couple of weeks on Rate The Music. i am curious as to how this plays out on the actual Airplay Charts for both Billboard and Mediabase. www1.billboard.biz/bbbiz/photos/pdf/2013/BCU_mw_0717.pdf
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Post by onebuffalo on Jul 17, 2014 11:46:59 GMT -5
Chris Young should have been #1 on both charts. However, Sony decided to push the 'wrong' artist to get to #1 on MediaBase and then Joe Nichols gets his fifth #1 at Billboard. Hopefully, Sony will do better next time.
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Post by .indulgecountry on Jul 17, 2014 11:58:33 GMT -5
Sony is looking really foolish right now for giving a #1 to Tyler Farr of all people over Chris Young.
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Post by sabre14 on Jul 17, 2014 12:50:16 GMT -5
Sony is looking really foolish right now for giving a #1 to Tyler Farr of all people over Chris Young. And Joe's label is showing no signs of slowing "Yeah" down for Chris. "Yeah's" bullet is well over 500 today on MB and has pretty much caught up with "Who I Am With You". Chris still has the MB #1 as of Thursday afternoon, but it's pretty iffy to think he can keep it come Sunday.
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Post by carriekins on Jul 17, 2014 13:04:30 GMT -5
Sony is looking really foolish right now for giving a #1 to Tyler Farr of all people over Chris Young. And Joe's label is showing no signs of slowing "Yeah" down for Chris. "Yeah's" bullet is well over 500 today on MB and has pretty much caught up with "Who I Am With You". Chris still has the MB #1 as of Thursday afternoon, but it's pretty iffy to think he can keep it come Sunday. While it's true that his bullet is indeed 588 today, Joe is actually down over 100 spins from last week, and matched Chris for audience update. Chris, on the other hand, gained 75 new spins since yesterday. It's still really tough to tell which way it's going to go, but I wonder if the trend is starting to swing in Chris' advantage.
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Post by sabre14 on Jul 17, 2014 13:12:15 GMT -5
And Joe's label is showing no signs of slowing "Yeah" down for Chris. "Yeah's" bullet is well over 500 today on MB and has pretty much caught up with "Who I Am With You". Chris still has the MB #1 as of Thursday afternoon, but it's pretty iffy to think he can keep it come Sunday. While it's true that his bullet is indeed 588 today, Joe is actually down over 200 spins from last week, and matched Chris for audience update. It's still really tough to tell which way it's going to go, but I wonder if the trend is starting to swing in Chris' advantage. It's tough because it's already Thursday. Right now it's a toss up if you ask me but a week ago it looked like a slam dunk for Chris to get #1 on at least MB. Tomorrow I believe will be the deciding day to see who will get there, but you're right about Chris perhaps swinging the pendulum his way because I'm sure RCA doesn't want to look foolish here with the push for Tyler's song and the potential for getting shut out completely and they are probably doing everything in their power to make sure that "Who I Am With You" can hold on. On one hand I would love to see Chris get to #1, but there's a part of me who thinks that perhaps if Sony can have things not fall their way, that these manipulated pushes will be curbed in the future...but that's wishful thinking, and I know better. ;)
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Post by kirkw on Jul 17, 2014 16:26:11 GMT -5
Labels manipulating the charts with promotional pushes has been going on for as long as I can remember. What's new about what we're seeing now aside from "On the Verge" and conglomo radio? Also, If Joe nabs both number one's this week, why couldn't Sony push WIAWY another week since Billy Currington is still 6 million in arrears? I know Lee Brice is doing very well, but can he make up 11 million and 1400 spins in a week's time? Has Chris tapped out the burn rate at these stations?
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Post by sabre14 on Jul 17, 2014 16:38:46 GMT -5
Labels manipulating the charts with promotional pushes has been going on for as long as I can remember. What's new about what we're seeing now? Also, If Joe nabs both number one's this week, why couldn't Sony push WIAWY another week since Billy Currington is still 6 million in arrears? I know Lee Brice is doing very well, but can he make up 11 million in a week's time? I think most here are already aware of the chart manipulated pushes that go on. It's obviously never going to change but it every once in a great while something doesn't go as planned ("This Is How We Roll"). Secondly, I agree that what Chris has going for him if Joe blocks him on both charts is the wide gap between the songs below them, but it's extremely difficult to maintain the audience and level of airplay once you get to the top two positions. That's the problem "This Is How We Roll" had when it peaked. It spent so long at #2 and in the top 5 that it was only a matter of time before the bottom fell out despite Republic's best efforts. I still believe that Chris has a reasonable shot to get #1 this Sunday on MB, but I can't predict how his song will hold up come a week from now. He could lose audience and spins yet still have enough wiggle room to be #1 next week but I don't see that happening here. Again, anything can happen over the next few days so we'll see.
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Post by Marv on Jul 17, 2014 19:21:13 GMT -5
I counted 14 songs which have exceeded Chris's current level of spins going back to Luke's 'TMKON', and all of them except FGL's 'TIHWR' made it to #1 @ Mediabase, so 'Who I Am With You' still has room to grow as he pursues another #1 single.
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Post by countrysuperfan on Jul 17, 2014 20:33:59 GMT -5
Thank goodness a good song is actually at No.1!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2014 23:46:45 GMT -5
Sony is looking really foolish right now for giving a #1 to Tyler Farr of all people over Chris Young. And Joe's label is showing no signs of slowing "Yeah" down for Chris. "Yeah's" bullet is well over 500 today on MB and has pretty much caught up with "Who I Am With You". Chris still has the MB #1 as of Thursday afternoon, but it's pretty iffy to think he can keep it come Sunday. Joe definitely isn't slowing down but I think today's Mediabase udpate was a pretty clear signal that Chris is the front-runner for the Mediabase #1, whereas Joe seems likely to get a 2nd week at #1 on Billboard (since Chris continues to lose ground on him audience-wise). Thus I think Sony will indeed complete the hat trick of back-to-back-to-back #1's but on Mediabase only ("Beachin'" followed by "Whiskey In My Water" and "Who I Am With You"). It looks like the only Billboard #1 of the three will remain "Beachin'". Farr peaked at #3 on Billboard and I think Chris is going to get held to a #2 peak there. I'm expecting Joe Nichols to top the Mediabase chart on Sunday the 27th while wrapping up a 3rd week at #1 on Billboard. Lon Helton has Joe co-hosting his countdown this coming weekend, and Billy Currington the next weekend. Back to the airplay updates, here's what we have so far this week: 07/13 Chris: +12 spins, +248k 07/13 Joe: +160 spins(!), +825k 07/14 Chris: +84 spins, +426k 07/14 Joe: +105 spins, +909k 07/15 Chris: +76 spins, +392k 07/15 Joe: +60 spins, +594k 07/16 Chris: -5 spins, +339k 07/16 Joe: +80 spins, +624k 07/17 Chris: +75 spins, +467k 07/17 Joe: -1 spin, +490k The last 2 days were basically flip-flopped in terms of spin gains for the 2 songs. But Chris has 96 more total spins with only 2 more updates left in the Mediabase week, so I like his chances of topping that chart. I think each label (RCA and Red Bow) knows the other's intentions and Red Bow probably figures they can get a 1 week MB #1/3 week BB #1 here whereas RCA will probably be happy with the MB #1/BB #2 peak for "Who I Am With You". At this point I feel comfortable giving Joe at least a 90% chance to score his 2nd week at #1 on Billboard, and that's probably too low a number, as he led Chris on Billboard by about 600k to start the week and he's out-gained him on MB by about another 1.5 mil, so it's really hard to see Chris coming away with the Billboard #1. However, I will give Chris about a 70% chance of topping Mediabase on Sunday. Let's see what tomorrow brings...it could change things if Joe out-gains Chris in spins, but I do feel pretty confident about the chances I've assigned each song.
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Post by sabre14 on Jul 18, 2014 13:33:29 GMT -5
And Joe's label is showing no signs of slowing "Yeah" down for Chris. "Yeah's" bullet is well over 500 today on MB and has pretty much caught up with "Who I Am With You". Chris still has the MB #1 as of Thursday afternoon, but it's pretty iffy to think he can keep it come Sunday. Let's see what tomorrow brings...it could change things if Joe out-gains Chris in spins, but I do feel pretty confident about the chances I've assigned each song. Well I believe you're right (not that I thought Joe was a sure thing for MB or anything but it made me at least wonder) that Chris will most likely hang on for the MB #1. He out gained Joe again in spins as his bullet increased over 100 while Joe's saw minimal gains. Anything can still happen I suppose but today was the day that would be the deciding factor to me and Chris is still there. Sony clearly has decided to make sure that their efforts paid off with Tyler's push and now with Chris' song. I predict that "Who I Am With You" will indeed be the MB #1 this week while "Yeah" is able to hold on to the Billboard position once again.
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Post by Kari on Jul 18, 2014 13:34:57 GMT -5
Let's see what tomorrow brings...it could change things if Joe out-gains Chris in spins, but I do feel pretty confident about the chances I've assigned each song. Well I believe you're right (not that I thought Joe was a sure thing for MB or anything but it made me at least wonder) that Chris will most likely hang on for the MB #1. He out gained Joe again in spins as his bullet increased over 100 while Joe's saw minimal gains. Anything can still happen I suppose but today was the day that would be the deciding factor to me and Chris is still there. Sony clearly has decided to make sure that there efforts paid off with Tyler's push and now with Chris' song. I predict that "Who I Am With You" will indeed be the MB #1 this week while "Yeah" is able to hold on to the Billboard position once again. Chris is hitting radio, real hard with call in interviews. Hope it helps.
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Post by Kari on Jul 19, 2014 15:10:04 GMT -5
If you want to hear a really GREAT interview then check out Chris on NPR's Song Traveler from July of last year. The interview was when he was still promoting his album NEON. Get to know him better and you will understand why I believe he has what it takes to separate himself from the current pack of male artists. It is about an hour long and you will hear him do a wonderful job on a Tony Bennett song. Enjoy. :) www.npr.org/2013/07/26/205853556/chris-young-on-song-travels
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Post by Kari on Jul 20, 2014 11:27:48 GMT -5
Chris has officially called it. This is from his Twitter Account.
"Huge thanks to all my friends at country radio and my fans! WIAWY is my 6th number one song. Unreal guys! #thanks"
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Post by mylifeback on Jul 20, 2014 16:57:28 GMT -5
I'm so happy for Chris getting a MB #1 again after Neon & Aw Naw both performed underwhelmingly. Neon should have done much better but Aw Naw was just awful & got what it deserved. This is exactly the type of song Chris needs to release to radio, there's no one else out there that can sing a ballad like this.
Hoping it can sneak a BB #1 today, too.
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Post by Markus Meyer on Jul 20, 2014 17:00:43 GMT -5
I'm so happy for Chris getting a MB #1 again after Neon & Aw Naw both performed underwhelmingly. Neon should have done much better but Aw Naw was just awful & got what it deserved. This is exactly the type of song Chris needs to release to radio, there's no one else out there that can sing a ballad like this. Hoping it can sneak a BB #1 today, too. "Aw Naw" got to #3 did it not?
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Post by mylifeback on Jul 20, 2014 17:06:40 GMT -5
I'm so happy for Chris getting a MB #1 again after Neon & Aw Naw both performed underwhelmingly. Neon should have done much better but Aw Naw was just awful & got what it deserved. This is exactly the type of song Chris needs to release to radio, there's no one else out there that can sing a ballad like this. Hoping it can sneak a BB #1 today, too. "Aw Naw" got to #3 did it not? Well, I guess what I meant is that I'm glad that didn't get to #1 because I really thought it was horrible & not the type of song Chris should be doing. I didn't think that style suits his voice whatsoever; maybe if the song itself was a catchier version of a party song? Anyway, I don't want to relitigate the merits of Aw Naw. I'm just thrilled Chris got to #1 again with this type of song.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2014 1:01:18 GMT -5
Hoping it can sneak a BB #1 today, too. I've been out of town since Thursday so I haven't really seen any numbers/updates besides the daily MB numbers, but it appears to me that Chris didn't gain any ground on Joe since Monday, in terms of Mediabase audience, and Joe started the week with a 600k lead on Billboard. So I highly doubt that WIAWY will be #1 on Billboard tomorrow--it definitely looks like it'll be Joe again. Furthermore, Chris co-hosted Lon Helton's countdown last weekend so he'll lose a 'bonus' countdown spin in tomorrow's update, whereas Joe probably got the extra spin this weekend since it was his turn on Lon's show. In the end, that doesn't bode well for Chris' potential Monday morning MB update, and vice versa for Joe. I am expecting WIAMWY to begin shedding audience by the Tuesday morning update, if not tomorrow already, but I expect to see Joe keep putting up small gains for another week since "Yeah" has not yet hit #1 at Mediabase (despite looking like a 2-week Billboard #1 already).
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Post by onebuffalo on Jul 23, 2014 10:46:52 GMT -5
After two weeks at #2, can Chris Young get to the top and hold off Billy Currington?
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Post by Marv on Jul 23, 2014 11:16:25 GMT -5
I would simply write off 'Aw Naw' as Chris's weakest single so far, much like another standout singer named Trace Adkins who'd release a stop-you-in-your-tracks number such as 'You're Gonna Miss This' or the beyond-wonderful 'Every Light In The House' only to turn around and pollute our eardrums later on with something as abysmal' as 'Swing' or 'Brown Chicken Brown Cow', his 'answer' to '1994', an equally dreadful tune if I ever heard one.
As the late Lakers broadcaster Chick Hearn would say, "no harm, no foul, no blood, no ambulance'; Mr. Young is certainly among my very favorite artists at country radio, so a stinker such as 'Aw Naw' isn't going to change my opinion about him.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2014 17:06:04 GMT -5
After two weeks at #2, can Chris Young get to the top and hold off Billy Currington? Short answer...no. Do you check the daily Mediabase updates? Because this song has lost over 300 spins and almost 2.2 million audience in the last 3 days alone. Saturday was its high water mark...RCA got the Mediabase #1 but didn't care to push a little harder for the Billboard #1 (they would've been met with resistance from Red Bow anyway). Thus, my prediction of Joe Nichols' "Yeah" hitting #1 at Mediabase this weekend and wrapping up a 3-week stay at #1 on Billboard looks to be pretty good. Chris' updates over the last few days: 07/20: +50 spins, +387k (officially #1 at Mediabase) 07/21: -81 spins, -392k (first day of the new Mediabase week and bam! Pretty sharp drop signaling the end) 07/22: -122 spins, -676k Today: -115 spins, -1.124 mil The losses are snowballing now...could be losing 2 mil a day by the end of the week.
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Post by Kari on Jul 24, 2014 12:55:48 GMT -5
I would simply write off 'Aw Naw' as Chris's weakest single so far, much like another standout singer named Trace Adkins who'd release a stop-you-in-your-tracks number such as 'You're Gonna Miss This' or the beyond-wonderful 'Every Light In The House' only to turn around and pollute our eardrums later on with something as abysmal' as 'Swing' or 'Brown Chicken Brown Cow', his 'answer' to '1994', an equally dreadful tune if I ever heard one. As the late Lakers broadcaster Chick Hearn would say, "no harm, no foul, no blood, no ambulance'; Mr. Young is certainly among my very favorite artists at country radio, so a stinker such as 'Aw Naw' isn't going to change my opinion about him. And yet Aw Naw is still a major audience favorite at his live shows. The rocker in me loves it and while I prefer Chris to do more songs that show case his vocals, Aw Naw did gain him somewhat of a new audience of listeners.
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Post by kirkw on Jul 24, 2014 17:01:20 GMT -5
I would simply write off 'Aw Naw' as Chris's weakest single so far, much like another standout singer named Trace Adkins who'd release a stop-you-in-your-tracks number such as 'You're Gonna Miss This' or the beyond-wonderful 'Every Light In The House' only to turn around and pollute our eardrums later on with something as abysmal' as 'Swing' or 'Brown Chicken Brown Cow', his 'answer' to '1994', an equally dreadful tune if I ever heard one. As the late Lakers broadcaster Chick Hearn would say, "no harm, no foul, no blood, no ambulance'; Mr. Young is certainly among my very favorite artists at country radio, so a stinker such as 'Aw Naw' isn't going to change my opinion about him. And yet Aw Naw is still a major audience favorite at his live shows. The rocker in me loves it and while I prefer Chris to do more songs that show case his vocals, Aw Naw did gain him somewhat of a new audience of listeners. While I prefer his more traditional fare, I thought "Aw Naw" would bring in a new audience who would in turn buy the CD in numbers he hadn't experienced before. Didn't happen. While the single performed pretty well at country radio, it just didn't translate into sales. I think what happened more than anything is the record got lost in the shuffle of the other similar stuff being played and I think his voice got lost in the mix as well. Many fans of his earlier work didn't like this so they stayed away from purchasing the CD thinking he might have changed his musical direction. I think WIAWY has brought many of those folks back into the fold and are now anxiously awaiting what's coming next.
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Post by Kari on Jul 24, 2014 17:28:21 GMT -5
And yet Aw Naw is still a major audience favorite at his live shows. The rocker in me loves it and while I prefer Chris to do more songs that show case his vocals, Aw Naw did gain him somewhat of a new audience of listeners. While I prefer his more traditional fare, I thought "Aw Naw" would bring in a new audience who would in turn buy the CD in numbers he hadn't experienced before. Didn't happen. While the single performed pretty well at country radio, it just didn't translate into sales. I think what happened more than anything is the record got lost in the shuffle of the other similar stuff being played and I think his voice got lost in the mix as well. Many fans of his earlier work didn't like this so they stayed away from purchasing the CD thinking he might have changed his musical direction. I think WIAWY has brought many of those folks back into the fold and are now anxiously awaiting what's coming next. I must politely disagree with the part of your comment that says, " many fans of his earlier work didn't like this so they stayed away from purchasing the CD thinking he may have changed his musical direction." Prior to releasing the CD, Chris allowed a FREE preview of his music and fans could listen to the entire album and hear all of the cuts. Yes, a couple songs were a little different, but not so much that early fans would not support his work by not buying the CD. People that know Chris and his style will not be diverted that easily. :)
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Post by Marv on Jul 25, 2014 0:03:15 GMT -5
He remains an enormous asset nevertheless in a format overrun with so-so male singers and a slew of standout female singers who can't get any substantial airplay to begin with, so i definitely cherish his music a ton!
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