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Post by StrongBreakaway on Jan 4, 2014 10:23:17 GMT -5
FULL Ellen (Dec 2012) interview!
Btw, ~ 850,000 copies sold worldwide IN 2 MONTHS ! That's insane for Kelly ! It's her fastest-selling album since Breakaway!
With a killer 1st single... pls RCA, no more Mr. Know It All-strategy - it doesn't work worldwide... her next album should explode!
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Post by BDGeek on Jan 4, 2014 13:28:51 GMT -5
I do like the idea of more soul/R&B-type songs with hip-hop beats. Obviously she nails pop rock, but she has so many songs in that vein that I'm craving something different. She's long overdue for a P!nk collab, and I'm definitely on board for a Miguel duet as well. And I really want a rap feature. Can you imagine an Eminem or Lupe Fiasco verse with a killer Kelly hook on the chorus? (I'm still bitter they never did this with "Let Me Down")
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Post by Jack on Jan 4, 2014 13:39:22 GMT -5
For the final time. The Mr. Know It All strategy worked perfectly for Stronger. Thankyou.
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Post by kylecburke on Jan 4, 2014 13:45:37 GMT -5
FULL Ellen (Dec 2012) interview! Btw, ~ 850,000 copies sold worldwide IN 2 MONTHS ! That's insane for Kelly ! It's her fastest-selling album since Breakaway! With a killer 1st single... pls RCA, no more Mr. Know It All-strategy - it doesn't work worldwide... her next album should explode! I don't think its easily comparable to match her albums selling ability to a christmas album...its like if she released a country album when all other artists were having pop albums...it fit a specific demographic, seasonal time and it sold well because of that, not to take away from her ability to sell, but it helped that it was a Christmas album and it had very little competition (pop/poprock) other than random country Robertsons. Just don't want you to compare. If anything her next album will probably sell in its first few weeks what Stronger sold in 2011m maybe less due to time of release, decline in sales, etc, or it could sell close to AIEW numbers (maybe a little less 200-220K) if a smash single... Hard to say...Anything around Strongers number Ill be happy
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Post by StrongBreakaway on Jan 4, 2014 14:36:54 GMT -5
FULL Ellen (Dec 2012) interview! Btw, ~ 850,000 copies sold worldwide IN 2 MONTHS ! That's insane for Kelly ! It's her fastest-selling album since Breakaway! With a killer 1st single... pls RCA, no more Mr. Know It All-strategy - it doesn't work worldwide... her next album should explode! I don't think its easily comparable to match her albums selling ability to a christmas album...its like if she released a country album when all other artists were having pop albums...it fit a specific demographic, seasonal time and it sold well because of that, not to take away from her ability to sell, but it helped that it was a Christmas album and it had very little competition (pop/poprock) other than random country Robertsons. Just don't want you to compare. If anything her next album will probably sell in its first few weeks what Stronger sold in 2011m maybe less due to time of release, decline in sales, etc, or it could sell close to AIEW numbers (maybe a little less 200-220K) if a smash single... Hard to say...Anything around Strongers number Ill be happy Yeah, I do get your point and I wouldn't be comparing it if it didn't sell this strong! I just hope it builds the hype for her next album and give it a boost. For the final time. The Mr. Know It All strategy worked perfectly for Stronger. Thankyou. lowest first week sales in her career. PERFECT! thanks to the brilliant strategy, her label made North America, the UK and Australia her main targets, which makes it impossible for me to ever see her live again unless there's gonna be another award show where I live and she's nominated so yeah - perfect in these areas. otherwise BIG FAT NO. for the last time.
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Post by dbhmr on Jan 4, 2014 14:48:27 GMT -5
Kelly has been essentially irrelevant outside of those countries for the better part of the last ten years. Their promo budget isn't bottomless, and knowing there was only one bonafied hit on the album, the strategy was perfect--first album of hers to cross a million in sales despite her lowest opening (at that point). She was everywhere in the US at the start of the era, and that's the market that counts for her. So I hope you like YouTube, because this probably won't change much.
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Post by franklin on Jan 4, 2014 14:57:53 GMT -5
lowest first week sales in her career. PERFECT! thanks to the brilliant strategy, her label made North America, the UK and Australia her main targets, which makes it impossible for me to ever see her live again unless there's gonna another award show where I live and she's nominated so yeah - perfect in these areas. otherwise BIG FAT NO. for the last time. I really don't mean this as an insult but you sound delusional. They made that decision because those are her biggest markets, the label is all about money so it would make no sense for her to promote in countries where their is little to no financial gain. I'm sure Kelly would LOVE to go to each country and meet/perform for all of her fans but it's just not possible. "Mr. Know It All" was huge in Australia, like gigantically huge, and is her best performing single to date. It went to #4 in the UK, top 10 in the US and was a monster on Hot AC (her core format) with insane longevity. I don't see how you can sit there and complain about 180k first week sales especially when we all know how the era played out (over a million in sales, critical acclaim and a Grammy). edit: o. what dbhmr said.
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Post by Peaches. [Ch, r. is] on Jan 4, 2014 15:00:30 GMT -5
Come to brazil!!!!
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Post by secretchef on Jan 4, 2014 15:20:43 GMT -5
Can I have an Adam/Kelly duet so they can so balls out? kthx..
Unlikely to ever happen now that he dumped RCA though. :(
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Post by StrongBreakaway on Jan 4, 2014 16:37:51 GMT -5
I do get the financial perspective, but I'm talking from the view of fans that will probably never see her live. I'm one of them. Of course 'people like us' can (wait until they finish universty, have a job and) fly to another place to see her live. And guess what - the nearest place for me was Germany, who let the whole 'Stronger' era flop [unloyal fans -_-] which is the reason she also stopped touring there. 'Greatest Hits' & 'Wrapped In Red' haven't changed much, maybe made things worse in her 'irrelevant' territories. However, during the 'All I Ever Wanted' SHE WAS FREAKING EVERYWHERE !!!
To put it in a nutshell - I might be able to see her live when she's probably retiring... yay fullfulling life of a KC fan.
And for the hardcore freaks like me here - we always knew about David and Graham - when the Brandon cheating rumours appeared, her 1st love was mentioned -> MATT ( I never heard of him before ) Here a pic:
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Post by neally on Jan 4, 2014 22:20:10 GMT -5
This week not only did WIR stay in top 10 and has sold 764K in US and over 870,000 copies worldwide, her hits album remains in Top 200 selling another 8,000 copies this week. US Sales should be at 555,000 US and depending on what website you follow should be 900-950K worldwide :) Not bad 13.3 million US and estimates could be 25-28 million worldwide :) I'm trying to break down the worldwide album sales, so please correct any errors: Thankful: 4.5 million (as of 2012) Breakaway: 12-15 million (15 million, according to this press release in 2008: www.universalmusic.com/corporate/detail/593 ) My December: 2.5 million (as of 2012) All I Ever Wanted: 1.5-2.0 million in sales ? Stronger: 1.6-1.8 million ? Greatest Hits: 0.9 million (as of 2013) Wrapped in Red: 0.9 million (as of 2014) Total: 23.9-27.6 million Do you have any updated totals of any of these records, especially 'Wanted' and 'Stronger' ?
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Post by mamaloveme on Jan 5, 2014 1:59:00 GMT -5
she should drop a boomb DVD(with Maroon 5 or not) or Live recording in March
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Post by ificanthaveyou on Jan 5, 2014 2:18:51 GMT -5
I do get the financial perspective, but I'm talking from the view of fans that will probably never see her live. I'm one of them. Of course 'people like us' can (wait until they finish universty, have a job and) fly to another place to see her live. And guess what - the nearest place for me was Germany, who let the whole 'Stronger' era flop [unloyal fans -_-] which is the reason she also stopped touring there. 'Greatest Hits' & 'Wrapped In Red' haven't changed much, maybe made things worse in her 'irrelevant' territories. However, during the 'All I Ever Wanted' SHE WAS FREAKING EVERYWHERE !!! To put it in a nutshell - I might be able to see her live when she's probably retiring... yay fullfulling life of a KC fan. And for the hardcore freaks like me here - we always knew about David and Graham - when the Brandon cheating rumours appeared, her 1st love was mentioned -> MATT ( I never heard of him before ) Here a pic: I've been a fan since the start, and never heard of Matt either. Thanks for the scan! Haha oh the memories of Graham and David. Also, I hope they go with a huge first single off the bat this time around. Catching My Breath and Mr. Know it All, while they were good, just didn't get me excited at all about the eras. And had I been a casual fan, I really wouldn't have taken notice. Now when your song is #1 on iTunes because it's so massively huge, radio is spinning the crap out of it, and it gets a 4 month run like Roar... now that's gonna stretch out an era. HOWEVER. Before others rebute, I think the biggest problem for Kelly has always been single selection. When she released MLWSWY, which started the era off perfectly IMO, serious momentum was lost with IDNHU. The Stronger/DS combo also didn't work and killed that era prematurely as well. This is all in retrospect obviously, since I actually didn't mind IDNHU/DS as singles when they were released, but I hope Kelly and the label play it on the safer side this time around. I always wonder how both eras would have fared had I Forgive You/Let Me Down or Long Shot/If I Can't Have You were released instead of the underperformers.
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Post by bigb0882 on Jan 5, 2014 3:05:38 GMT -5
Maybe the label and Kelly should focus on finding not one but two lead singles. Then figure out which one to release first and the other becomes another smash follow up. I am sure it is very hard to find even one smash hit, if it was so easy then everyone would have one, but hopefully they can manage to find two for Kelly the next go round. It would also help if the songs did all the work themselves which would give Kelly more of a chance to cut down on constant promo. She could focus most of her promo around the release date and not have to stretch it out so much and can spend more time at home with her husband and baby. I am assuming this all happens after she has the baby, I don't see a full album release before then unless it is her country effort.
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Post by Peaches. [Ch, r. is] on Jan 5, 2014 3:54:20 GMT -5
Maybe the label and Kelly should focus on finding not one but two lead singles. Then figure out which one to release first and the other becomes another smash follow up. I am sure it is very hard to find even one smash hit, if it was so easy then everyone would have one, but hopefully they can manage to find two for Kelly the next go round. It would also help if the songs did all the work themselves which would give Kelly more of a chance to cut down on constant promo. She could focus most of her promo around the release date and not have to stretch it out so much and can spend more time at home with her husband and baby. I am assuming this all happens after she has the baby, I don't see a full album release before then unless it is her country effort.I'd like Kelly to work with a well established hit-maker and do a song from scratch, rather than "finding" a hit. Obviously scrap if it's bad but at least try. And I agree wholeheartedly with the bolded! I really do hate seeing Kelly work her voice dry with promotion every time she releases a new single. The label needs to find a way to rebrand her and market her differently if she decides to stay in the pop world. I'm sure that's probably impossible though cause it would mean Kelly will have to change herself a bit and she's never been one to change for success. If her career ended today, Her and Brandon can probably live off of her savings and royalty checks. And Brandon's career as a manager, making bank off of Blake Shelton, certainly helps. Now if they're gonna continue having kids, things may change... -- Our little Kelly is growing up
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Post by ificanthaveyou on Jan 5, 2014 4:38:22 GMT -5
Kelly's becoming a business woman, so money isn't a problem at all. She has that shop in India and that deal with the watches. Hustlin ;)
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Post by kylecburke on Jan 5, 2014 8:23:36 GMT -5
This week not only did WIR stay in top 10 and has sold 764K in US and over 870,000 copies worldwide, her hits album remains in Top 200 selling another 8,000 copies this week. US Sales should be at 555,000 US and depending on what website you follow should be 900-950K worldwide :) Not bad 13.3 million US and estimates could be 25-28 million worldwide :) I'm trying to break down the worldwide album sales, so please correct any errors: Thankful: 4.5 million (as of 2012) Breakaway: 12-15 million (15 million, according to this press release in 2008: www.universalmusic.com/corporate/detail/593 ) My December: 2.5 million (as of 2012) All I Ever Wanted: 1.5-2.0 million in sales ? Stronger: 1.6-1.8 million ? Greatest Hits: 0.9 million (as of 2013) Wrapped in Red: 0.9 million (as of 2014) Total: 23.9-27.6 million Do you have any updated totals of any of these records, especially 'Wanted' and 'Stronger' ? Yeah WW numbers are hard, someone on here quoted that she is near 28 million but based on any actual numbers I have for countries her album sales stand at over 22 million worldwide, of course there are alot of countries whose info is not given or not updated. Based on estimates I have been able to find her album sales worldwide are at 25 million, but It depends on where you get the info. Thankful (have numbers that equal 3.2 million, estimates are at 4.5 million Breakaway (have numbers that equal up to 13.2 million, estimates at around 15 million) My December (only have small album sales totalling to 1.3 million, but estimates are 2-2.5 million) AIEW (inly have numbers totalling 1.5 million but according to Mediatraffic it should be at 1.7-1.8 million Stronger (have numbers totalling to 1.6 million but according to Mediatraffic it should be at 1.7-1.8 million) G.Hits I have kept records up to 885K, however saw UKMIX state it was at 960K Wrapped in Red is at 879K WW Sorry, nothing is official, I would say you are safe to think 25-30 million :) Sorry I can't be more helpful. I am always searching for new numbers or new sales figures in other countries
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Post by rv1709 on Jan 5, 2014 10:24:08 GMT -5
the drop from breakaway to my December is depressing
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Post by StrongBreakaway on Jan 5, 2014 11:42:53 GMT -5
I was bored..
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Post by kylecburke on Jan 5, 2014 12:46:08 GMT -5
Just an FYI SInce the release of Underneath the tree video Kelly's youtube jumps have seen major jumps from- 1)Stronger (+13.5 million) 2)Because of You (+8 million) 3)People Like us (+3.2 million) 4)Since You been (+3 million) 5) Tie it up (+2.9 million)
Youtube Videos 1 Stronger- 97 million 2 Because of You- 64.4 million 3 My Life would suck- 37.7 million 4 Already Gone- 32.5 million 5 Never Again- 27 million 6 Breakaway-25.89 million 7 Mr Know it all- 25.6 million 8 Dark Side- 19.3 million 9 Hazel Eyes- 18.85 million 10 Since You Been Gone- 18.46 million
Some notes -Miss Independent will soon outview Before your Love (3.87 v 3.88 million) -Trouble with love reached 1 million (1.051 million +132K) -B3cause of you jumps over 60 million -Stronger inches closer to 100 million as it closes in at 97 million -People Like us hits 10 million mark -Tie it up inches closer to 4 million with 3.96 million
Underneath the tree ends holiday season with 875,000 views...low?
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Post by krisclarkson on Jan 5, 2014 16:47:30 GMT -5
So do we think Kelly will sell the 36,000 she needs this week to hit 800,000 or will it take 2 weeks.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2014 22:17:19 GMT -5
I don't think its easily comparable to match her albums selling ability to a christmas album...its like if she released a country album when all other artists were having pop albums...it fit a specific demographic, seasonal time and it sold well because of that, not to take away from her ability to sell, but it helped that it was a Christmas album and it had very little competition (pop/poprock) other than random country Robertsons. Just don't want you to compare. If anything her next album will probably sell in its first few weeks what Stronger sold in 2011m maybe less due to time of release, decline in sales, etc, or it could sell close to AIEW numbers (maybe a little less 200-220K) if a smash single... Hard to say...Anything around Strongers number Ill be happy Yeah, I do get your point and I wouldn't be comparing it if it didn't sell this strong! I just hope it builds the hype for her next album and give it a boost. For the final time. The Mr. Know It All strategy worked perfectly for Stronger. Thankyou. lowest first week sales in her career. PERFECT! thanks to the brilliant strategy, her label made North America, the UK and Australia her main targets, which makes it impossible for me to ever see her live again unless there's gonna be another award show where I live and she's nominated so yeah - perfect in these areas. otherwise BIG FAT NO. for the last time. First week sales really aren't the most important factor though….longevity is, and Stronger proves that. AIEW had a big explosive first single, good first week sales, and then just kinda declined. Stronger had a slow building first single with a lot of longevity, decent first week sales, and sales that remained strong and steady throughout the era. I think it worked perfectly. And like the others said, they were promoting this album in her main selling countries. I don't think that has anything to do with the MKIA strategy.
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Post by StrongBreakaway on Jan 6, 2014 7:30:19 GMT -5
Yeah, I do get your point and I wouldn't be comparing it if it didn't sell this strong! I just hope it builds the hype for her next album and give it a boost. lowest first week sales in her career. PERFECT! thanks to the brilliant strategy, her label made North America, the UK and Australia her main targets, which makes it impossible for me to ever see her live again unless there's gonna be another award show where I live and she's nominated so yeah - perfect in these areas. otherwise BIG FAT NO. for the last time. First week sales really aren't the most important factor though….longevity is, and Stronger proves that. AIEW had a big explosive first single, good first week sales, and then just kinda declined. Stronger had a slow building first single with a lot of longevity, decent first week sales, and sales that remained strong and steady throughout the era. I think it worked perfectly. And like the others said, they were promoting this album in her main selling countries. I don't think that has anything to do with the MKIA strategy. At the end of the day AIEW and S sold the same amount of records! With the only difference being S's singles sales, which dominate. AIEW's problem was IDNHU and the AG controversy... IICHY as the second single and AG/Cry as the third and so on... would've done wonders! LMD would've been S's perfect 1st single IMO. It would've made better first weeks' sales and WDKY(S) would've maintained the longevity. Apart from the success, which Kelly actually doesn't care that much about, the core of her music, her fans most identify her with, is poprock. I'm sure I wasn't the only who was dissappointed in MKIA. I found it quite boring and needed a long time to feel its vibe - a better instrumental-production would've made it more amazing -> I LOVE the Country and the Big Band version!
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Post by Jack on Jan 6, 2014 8:00:36 GMT -5
Kelly fans are so ungrateful sometimes, maaaaaaan. Look atca girl Avril, then pat Kelly and her team for the platinum plaques and Grammys 10+ years into the game and stop pretending she'd be bigger than Beyoncé and Gaga combined if only they'd picked Chivas as a single seven years ago.
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Post by Mack on Jan 6, 2014 9:51:31 GMT -5
Look atca girl Avril, then pat Kelly and her team for the platinum plaques and Grammys 10+ years into the game and stop pretending she'd be bigger than Beyoncé and Gaga combined if only they'd picked Chivas as a single seven years ago.
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Post by Peaches. [Ch, r. is] on Jan 6, 2014 9:58:18 GMT -5
I swear Mack, you have a engine search on the word "Avril" that you run every half hour.
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Post by Mack on Jan 6, 2014 10:46:33 GMT -5
I swear Mack, you have a engine search on the word "Avril" that you run every half hour.
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Post by dbhmr on Jan 6, 2014 10:57:41 GMT -5
Lol I don't think Mack has posted in a Kelly thread to talk about Kelly in actual years. When I see that name, I know someone shaded Avril or Jessica (or Britney, when someone is being foolish).
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Post by Envoirment on Jan 6, 2014 11:04:31 GMT -5
To be fair, Avril & her team built up a nice fanbase in South-East Asia/Japan to rely on, rather than the US.
Also, Kelly's career is a rarity. Only few are able to sustain their success the way she has. Rihanna & P!nk are the only other ones I can think of who have done this.*
*Forgive me if I have forgotten someone. Also, I'm talking about sustaining success, not being the most successful.
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Post by BDGeek on Jan 6, 2014 11:25:12 GMT -5
Regarding the MKIA - Stronger strategy, yes it definitely worked. But why can't her team take it a step further next album with THREE massive singles instead of two, potentially outselling Stronger (album) in the long run?
Also, just because the MKIA - Stronger strategy worked, it doesn't mean that MKIA was a great song (purely subjective, I know). Why settle for a decent lead then epic 2nd when you can have two fantastic, yet contrasting songs back to back? (See: BA/SUBG, So What/Sober, Rolling In The Deep/Someone Like You, etc.)
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