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Post by M1tchD on Jun 15, 2014 22:53:59 GMT -5
You can't say the "Drink To That All Night" remix is a hit while "Tennis Court" isn't.
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Post by Lahey's Lucky Star on Jun 16, 2014 9:36:03 GMT -5
Pop:27 28 LORDE Tennis Court 2573 2306 267 11.866 + 22 Spins - 31 Bullet + 0.133 Audience HAC:20 18 LORDE Tennis Court 1508 1360 148 6.217 = Spins - 56 Bullet + 0.093 Audience Alternative:20 19 LORDE Tennis Court 691 580 111 3.245 + 21 Spins - 5 Bullet + 0.037 Audience
You can't say the "Drink To That All Night" remix is a hit while "Tennis Court" isn't. Can we not put them in the same league, please?
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Post by Az Paynter on Jun 17, 2014 5:36:48 GMT -5
POP: 27 27 LORDE Tennis Court 2641 2337 304 12.309
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HOT AC: 19 18 LORDE Tennis Court 1536 1385 151 6.408
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Post by No Brake$ on Jun 17, 2014 11:00:14 GMT -5
I have yet to hear the remix, but I assumed it would be a much bigger hit than this; obviously recurrentitis is killing this song.
I'll be curious if they end this era with this song here in North America and throw out something new in Summer '15. It's going to be fascinating to see where they head with the next album.
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Post by Az Paynter on Jun 18, 2014 5:35:16 GMT -5
POP: 27 25 LORDE Tennis Court 2739 2357 382 12.742
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HOT AC: 19 18 LORDE Tennis Court 1540 1426 114 6.449
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2014 1:52:50 GMT -5
Yasss I need Pop to get on board with this. Seriously one of the best songs released '13/14.
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Post by Az Paynter on Jun 19, 2014 5:38:43 GMT -5
POP: 27 24 LORDE Tennis Court 2796 2400 396 12.806
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HOT AC: 19 18 LORDE Tennis Court 1569 1435 134 6.665
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Post by Az Paynter on Jun 20, 2014 5:45:16 GMT -5
POP: 27 25 LORDE Tennis Court 2864 2443 421 13.174
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HOT AC: 19 18 LORDE Tennis Court 1595 1468 127 6.862
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Post by jughead on Jun 20, 2014 7:09:06 GMT -5
Somebody explain why this song's called "Tennis Court"?
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Post by Sir Benji on Jun 20, 2014 7:28:20 GMT -5
Somebody explain why this song's called "Tennis Court"? Lol you can't be serious
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Post by Hefty Hanna on Jun 20, 2014 9:03:59 GMT -5
Somebody explain why this song's called "Tennis Court"? According to Wikipedia, Lorde said she just "likes the idea of a tennis court" and "it makes her nostalgic" or something. I really don't know what she's talking about. In regards to the context of the song, the song itself is about people being fake and superficial. In business, associates will have tennis matches at the country club but it's common knowledge that a lot of deals go down on the court instead of the office. Or people will have a "friendly match" of tennis when in reality they hate each other and they just want to beat the other person. Tennis is a weird thing with rich people where there is oftentimes an underlying reason for playing. At least that's how I'm taking it and I'm pretty sure I'm right.
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Post by kanimal on Jun 20, 2014 9:13:31 GMT -5
Somebody explain why this song's called "Tennis Court"? According to Wikipedia, Lorde said she just "likes the idea of a tennis court" and "it makes her nostalgic" or something. I really don't know what she's talking about. In regards to the context of the song, the song itself is about people being fake and superficial. In business, associates will have tennis matches at the country club but it's common knowledge that a lot of deals go down on the court instead of the office. Or people will have a "friendly match" of tennis when in reality they hate each other and they just want to beat the other person. Tennis is a weird thing with rich people where there is oftentimes an underlying reason for playing. At least that's how I'm taking it and I'm pretty sure I'm right.The irony... I think you're confusing tennis with golf.
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Post by Hefty Hanna on Jun 20, 2014 9:24:37 GMT -5
According to Wikipedia, Lorde said she just "likes the idea of a tennis court" and "it makes her nostalgic" or something. I really don't know what she's talking about. In regards to the context of the song, the song itself is about people being fake and superficial. In business, associates will have tennis matches at the country club but it's common knowledge that a lot of deals go down on the court instead of the office. Or people will have a "friendly match" of tennis when in reality they hate each other and they just want to beat the other person. Tennis is a weird thing with rich people where there is oftentimes an underlying reason for playing. At least that's how I'm taking it and I'm pretty sure I'm right.The irony... I think you're confusing tennis with golf. I'm not. The concept can clearly be applied to golf as well, but there's no reason to be rude about it.
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Post by kanimal on Jun 20, 2014 9:34:27 GMT -5
The irony... I think you're confusing tennis with golf. I'm not. The concept can clearly be applied to golf as well, but there's no reason to be rude about it. I work in the New York finance scene, which would be an example of the area you're referencing - there are no deals made during angry tennis matches. I mean, think about it logically, it's not exactly a social sport -- you're standing 75+ feet away from each other. It was also weird to me that you reference Lorde's explanation of the tennis court reference but then essentially say she's lying. She's not. The nostalgia aspect is the key to the song. Throughout the song, Lorde is dealing with all the consequences, superficialities and falsehoods of fame--something that is supposed to be so MAJOR (and garners so much "talk") but is ultimately rather small and empty. The tennis court (and her home city in general), where she would hang out with friends, represents an example of something that is small and meaningless to the rest of the world (once she's on the plane, she's as detached from her city as people in space) but can be far more "real" and important. To the rest of the world, talking up a trip to the tennis court would come off as absurdly trivial. To her, that's a far more substantive reality than the stuff we talk about despite only watching it from our windows (celebrities falling apart, etc). Lorde's entire album (and the prior EP) is about celebrating the unremarkable, the unbeautiful and the mundane ("you buy me orange juice!" is not typically what you think of when you think of a great significant other, but it's REAL to her) even as she knocks on the door of fame. This song fits into tht.
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Post by Hefty Hanna on Jun 20, 2014 9:53:42 GMT -5
I'm not. The concept can clearly be applied to golf as well, but there's no reason to be rude about it. I work in the New York finance scene, which would be an example of the area you're referencing - there are no deals made during angry tennis matches. I mean, think about it logically, it's not exactly a social sport -- you're standing 75+ feet away from each other. It was also weird to me that you reference Lorde's explanation of the tennis court reference but then essentially she's lying. She's not. The nostalgia aspect is the key to the song. Throughout the song, Lorde is dealing with all the consequences, superficialities and falsehoods of fame--something that is supposed to be so MAJOR (and garners so much "talk") but is ultimately rather small and empty. The tennis court (and her home city in general), where she would hang out with friends, represents an example of something that is small and meaningless to the rest of the world (once she's on the plane, she's as detached from her city as people in space) but can be far more "real" and important. To the rest of the world, talking up a trip to the tennis court would come off as absurdly trivial. To her, that's a far more substantive reality than the stuff we talk about despite only watching it from our windows (celebrities falling apart, etc). Lorde's entire album (and the prior EP) is about celebrating the unremarkable, the unbeautiful and the mundane ("you buy me orange juice!" is not typically what you think of when you think of a great significant other, but it's REAL to her) even as she knocks on the door of fame. This song fits into tht. Firstly, your "scene" was absolutely not the first example I had in mind of what I was trying to get at, but kudos on the job. There are countless examples of this happening in popular culture where there are underlying reasons for a friendly game of tennis/golf/croquet/synchronized swimming/etc etc. Since you're so savvy regarding the social webbings of big business, perhaps I am just blinded by what the media tells me to believe. I'm probably just in the dark. Secondly, we are just going to have to disagree in regards to her general songwriting. I don't think it's at all terrible of me to question her songwriting merits. I admit that I am not Lorde, therefore I don't necessarily have a right to question her intentions. I would like it to be known that I didn't question it, I just had no idea what the fuck it was that she was trying to portray to us as a songwriter. Now that you have enlightened me, parts of the song do make sense in that context. That being said, "talking it up on the tennis court" seems, to me, being fake and superficial. We are just going to have to agree to disagree.
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Post by kanimal on Jun 20, 2014 10:01:23 GMT -5
I work in the New York finance scene, which would be an example of the area you're referencing - there are no deals made during angry tennis matches. I mean, think about it logically, it's not exactly a social sport -- you're standing 75+ feet away from each other. It was also weird to me that you reference Lorde's explanation of the tennis court reference but then essentially she's lying. She's not. The nostalgia aspect is the key to the song. Throughout the song, Lorde is dealing with all the consequences, superficialities and falsehoods of fame--something that is supposed to be so MAJOR (and garners so much "talk") but is ultimately rather small and empty. The tennis court (and her home city in general), where she would hang out with friends, represents an example of something that is small and meaningless to the rest of the world (once she's on the plane, she's as detached from her city as people in space) but can be far more "real" and important. To the rest of the world, talking up a trip to the tennis court would come off as absurdly trivial. To her, that's a far more substantive reality than the stuff we talk about despite only watching it from our windows (celebrities falling apart, etc). Lorde's entire album (and the prior EP) is about celebrating the unremarkable, the unbeautiful and the mundane ("you buy me orange juice!" is not typically what you think of when you think of a great significant other, but it's REAL to her) even as she knocks on the door of fame. This song fits into tht. Firstly, your "scene" was absolutely not the first example I had in mind of what I was trying to get at, but kudos on the job. There are countless examples of this happening in popular culture where there are underlying reasons for a friendly game of tennis/golf/croquet/synchronized swimming/etc etc. Since you're so savvy regarding the social webbings of big business, perhaps I am just blinded by what the media tells me to believe. I'm probably just in the dark. Secondly, we are just going to have to disagree in regards to her general songwriting. I don't think it's at all terrible of me to question her songwriting merits. I admit that I am not Lorde, therefore I don't necessarily have a right to question her intentions. I would like it to be known that I didn't question it, I just had no idea what the f**k it was that she was trying to portray to us as a songwriter. Now that you have enlightened me, parts of the song do make sense in that context. That being said, "talking it up on the tennis court" seems, to me, being fake and superficial. We are just going to have to agree to disagree. I don't disagree with that part - and that's not incompatible with my interpretation either. I'm just adding another level to the analysis that may or may not be accurate. Other than not knowing about deals being done on the tennis court (if you search "deals on the tennis court," nothing really comes up. if you search, "deals on the golf course," tons of things do) the part that bothered me was saying, "Lorde said she just "likes the idea of a tennis court" and "it makes her nostalgic" or something. I really don't know what she's talking about."I just couldn't follow that viewpoint. If she tells you the concept of a tennis court is nostalgic, what is there not to get? Plus, don't forget that even though Lorde's music has a lot of meaning and deep references, she has been very open about using static triggers to come up with her songs. She wrote "Royals" after seeing a picture of a Kansas City Royals baseball player.
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Post by surfy on Jun 20, 2014 10:16:05 GMT -5
I feel like she's telling her journey to being rich and famous ("little bright things I bought" "how can I f**k with the fun again when I'm known" "Pretty soon I'll be getting on my first plane")
But I honestly don't know how it ties in with tennis court. Maybe she's hanging with friends, which is one of two theories I have. The second is would be that now she's famous, she will go down to the tennis court since most rich people participate in activites such as tennis or golf, and it's a great way to stay social among the upper class. The latter seems to relate more the song's verses.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2014 10:17:44 GMT -5
The underlying point was that Tennis is often associated with high society and that it is often used as a medium to discuss business or solidify connections and contacts, thus implying a level of falsity or "fakeness". That's not a bad analysis either. The Wedding Crashers and Along Came Polly are two examples of the aforementioned practice being seen in pop culture, or at the very least the first two that popped into my head.
And who the f**k cares if you you work in NYC? That still changes nothing about the validity of someone else's interpretation and doesn't make you any more correct in yours.
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Post by NeRD on Jun 20, 2014 10:52:36 GMT -5
The underlying point was that Tennis is often associated with high society and that it is often used as a medium to discuss business or solidify connections and contacts, thus implying a level of falsity or "fakeness". That's not a bad analysis either. The Wedding Crashers and Along Came Polly are two examples of the aforementioned practice being seen in pop culture, or at the very least the first two that popped into my head. And who the f**k cares if you you work in NYC? That still changes nothing about the validity of someone else's interpretation and doesn't make you any more correct in yours. I luhh ya papi
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Post by kanimal on Jun 20, 2014 10:56:50 GMT -5
The underlying point was that Tennis is often associated with high society and that it is often used as a medium to discuss business or solidify connections and contacts, thus implying a level of falsity or "fakeness". That's not a bad analysis either. The Wedding Crashers and Along Came Polly are two examples of the aforementioned practice being seen in pop culture, or at the very least the first two that popped into my head. And who the f**k cares if you you work in NYC? That still changes nothing about the validity of someone else's interpretation and doesn't make you any more correct in yours. I was responding to this comment: The reference to my job is to demonstrate that I'm involved in the most stereotypical breed of "business," and I've seen far more deals done on the golf course or even in spin classes than I have on tennis courts. Of course, that whole thing is a myth -- more deals are done in the boardroom than any of those places. Where I work does not make me better at interpreting a song. It does, however, render me able to speak to stereotypes about where deals are done. That was the only reason I brought it up. As for the other part of your post, there is definitely an aura of elitism and high-society associated with tennis courts (which is one of the reasons why, earlier in this thread, I questioned how relatable it was for the working or middle class American teen that Lorde's content usually targets). But to think it's ONLY a reference to high-society ignores Lorde's entire persona as a performer. She's an ambassador for the working class underdog. If the tennis court is nostalgic to her, she's not looking at it solely as a taste of high society.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2014 11:38:20 GMT -5
I was responding to this comment: The reference to my job is to demonstrate that I'm involved in the most stereotypical breed of "business," and I've seen far more deals done on the golf course or even in spin classes than I have on tennis courts. Of course, that whole thing is a myth -- more deals are done in the boardroom than any of those places. Firstly, thank you for the bold. I'm not sure I would have been able to read that quote without it. Secondly, I don't know how you're trying to argue this when it is a social practice that is painfully evident in society, or at the very least visible-- stereotype or not. Where I work does not make me better at interpreting a song. It does, however, render me able to speak to stereotypes about where deals are done. That was the only reason I brought it up. Oh, ok. So it doesn't make you better at interpreting the song, it just makes you better at telling other people their interpretations are wrong. Totally valid. As for the other part of your post, there is definitely an aura of elitism and high-society associated with tennis courts (which is one of the reasons why, earlier in this thread, I questioned how relatable it was for the working or middle class American teen that Lorde's content usually targets). But to think it's ONLY a reference to high-society ignores Lorde's entire persona as a performer. She's an ambassador for the working class underdog. If the tennis court is nostalgic to her, she's not looking at it solely as a taste of high society. I think... you're very confused about the point.
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Post by Au$tin on Jun 20, 2014 11:41:40 GMT -5
Guys... the tennis court is her escape. There was literally a tennis court next to her school that she would go and hang out with her friends and they would just talk. Lorde herself has confirmed this. For reference.
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Post by Hefty Hanna on Jun 20, 2014 11:46:14 GMT -5
Firstly, your "scene" was absolutely not the first example I had in mind of what I was trying to get at, but kudos on the job. There are countless examples of this happening in popular culture where there are underlying reasons for a friendly game of tennis/golf/croquet/synchronized swimming/etc etc. Since you're so savvy regarding the social webbings of big business, perhaps I am just blinded by what the media tells me to believe. I'm probably just in the dark. Secondly, we are just going to have to disagree in regards to her general songwriting. I don't think it's at all terrible of me to question her songwriting merits. I admit that I am not Lorde, therefore I don't necessarily have a right to question her intentions. I would like it to be known that I didn't question it, I just had no idea what the f**k it was that she was trying to portray to us as a songwriter. Now that you have enlightened me, parts of the song do make sense in that context. That being said, "talking it up on the tennis court" seems, to me, being fake and superficial. We are just going to have to agree to disagree. I don't disagree with that part - and that's not incompatible with my interpretation either. I'm just adding another level to the analysis that may or may not be accurate. Other than not knowing about deals being done on the tennis court (if you search "deals on the tennis court," nothing really comes up. if you search, "deals on the golf course," tons of things do) the part that bothered me was saying, "Lorde said she just "likes the idea of a tennis court" and "it makes her nostalgic" or something. I really don't know what she's talking about."I just couldn't follow that viewpoint. If she tells you the concept of a tennis court is nostalgic, what is there not to get? Plus, don't forget that even though Lorde's music has a lot of meaning and deep references, she has been very open about using static triggers to come up with her songs. She wrote "Royals" after seeing a picture of a Kansas City Royals baseball player. Just because you have never heard of a deal being done during a sport doesn't mean it doesn't happen. My interpretation might be totally and completely wrong, but it's not like it doesn't occur. The examples that @touch brought up are perfectly in line with what I was trying to say. Also the scene in Bridesmaids where they get together to play tennis when they completely f**king hate each other. Also this literally exact scene from Pretty Little Liars where the dad makes his daughter lose on purpose to butter up the associates... My issue was with you implying that I did not know what I was talking about. Even if I am wrong about it in context of this particular song, which I don't think is all that farfetched considering the subject matter, it doesn't really matter if it's golf or tennis or thumb wrestling...this sort of thing just happens and I don't need to work for a finance company to know this. Even if it is a stereotype, it doesn't mean she can't write about it in her song. I apologize that you couldn't follow my viewpoint regarding her songwriting. As somebody who has a degree in music industry, songwriting isn't always what is said or what it appears to be, so I do apologize for coming across as cynical or jaded regarding pop music. It's just what I have come to know as the "norm" in the industry. Also, and I think you could probably agree with this kanimal, just because it signified something innocent and nostalgic for her doesn't mean it couldn't work as an example of being fraudulent and fake. You referenced her writing 'Royals' after being triggered by a player on the basketball team, but the song isn't necessarily about a Royals player.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2014 11:49:28 GMT -5
Guys... the tennis court is her escape. There was literally a tennis court next to her school that she would go and hang out with her friends and they would just talk. Lorde herself has confirmed this. For reference. I'm sure the song has a specific meaning to her, but not everyone is going to relate to "the tennis court next to Lorde's school where Lorde talked to her friends once". As with all music-- and most art forms in general-- it is inherently up for interpretation. I don't think there's a right or wrong answer here, and I'm cool with a friendly debate over possibly alternate interpretations; but people are just being flat out rude about it lol.
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Post by Hefty Hanna on Jun 20, 2014 11:53:08 GMT -5
Guys... the tennis court is her escape. There was literally a tennis court next to her school that she would go and hang out with her friends and they would just talk. Lorde herself has confirmed this. For reference. I'm sure the song has a specific meaning to her, but not everyone is going to relate to "the tennis court next to Lorde's school where Lorde talked to her friends once". As with all music-- and most art forms in general-- it is inherently up for interpretation. I don't think there's a right or wrong answer here, and I'm cool with a friendly debate over possibly alternate interpretations; but people are just being flat out rude about it lol. On top of the fact that she admits that it's a place where people gossiped and told secrets. In the grand scheme of things, the tennis court probably represents both positive aspects of Lorde's youth and the fraudulence she may have had to deal with from the affluent "cool kids".
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Post by allow that on Jun 20, 2014 12:41:55 GMT -5
There are countless examples of this happening in popular culture where there are underlying reasons for a friendly game of tennis/golf/croquet/synchronized swimming/etc etc. Since you're so savvy regarding the social webbings of big business, perhaps I am just blinded by what the media tells me to believe. I'm probably just in the dark.You and Woody Allen both then. One of my favorite films of all time. Tennis is seen as a sport where frenemies can partake in a "friendly" activity together, but it's so easy to bring ulterior motives to the court. Obviously "business" isn't being discussed during the actual, literal sport act where you're standing 75+ feel away. But B4L is completely right that a tennis club or a tennis court is often used as a backdrop for some precipitating social or professional matter (and I highly doubt 16 year old Lorde is escorting investment banker clients to discuss wheelings and dealings anyway). Lorde's take on it would parallel the same general concept as Bridesmaids, Pretty Little Liars or Match Point where the tennis court backdrop serves as a place to hang out and interact, albeit with superficiality being the elephant in the room.
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Post by kanimal on Jun 20, 2014 12:59:36 GMT -5
Guys... the tennis court is her escape. There was literally a tennis court next to her school that she would go and hang out with her friends and they would just talk. Lorde herself has confirmed this. For reference. I'm sure the song has a specific meaning to her, but not everyone is going to relate to "the tennis court next to Lorde's school where Lorde talked to her friends once". As with all music-- and most art forms in general-- it is inherently up for interpretation. I don't think there's a right or wrong answer here, and I'm cool with a friendly debate over possibly alternate interpretations; but people are just being flat out rude about it lol. Songs are meant to be internalized by the listener. There's nothing wrong with listening to Lorde's songs just to hear HER story, but there's similarly nothing wrong with thinking about how it relates to you. However, I think you have to be able to, in some way, tie the interpretation back to the spirit of the song. If the "Tennis Court" in this song is the place where Lorde would go chill with friends, then the part open for interpretation is where you, the listener, would go chill with childhood friends. We didn't have public tennis courts growing up, but we did have basketball courts, baseball fields and Dunkin Donuts parking lots that served the same purpose. So, to me, it makes sense to visualize myself at one of those places when trying to connect with Lorde's lyrics. But if you want to interpret the song the way Lorde intended, the image you insert into that chorus needs to be one of an unglamorous, childhood place. You're not wrong to think of the tennis court as representing something else, but you're straying from Lorde's intent when doing so. That just needs to be clear. -- And, again, what's funny about this most recent debate is that, earlier in the thread, I was chastised for questioning whether the tennis court is a relatable working class image in America. Yet now people are getting mad at me for not appreciating how elitist it is. :(
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Post by Az Paynter on Jun 21, 2014 5:41:12 GMT -5
I wish radio could get their s**t together with this. :(
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HOT AC: 18 19 LORDE Tennis Court 1632 1509 123 7.085
+13 Spins -10 Bullet +0.093 Audience
ALTERNATIVE: 19 18 LORDE Tennis Court 822 652 170 3.526
+13 Spins +18 Bullet +0.070 Audience
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