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Post by sabre14 on Jul 30, 2014 12:58:11 GMT -5
Brothers Osborne played some songs off their upcoming debut album on The Highway today. They sounded fantastic live. Probably one of my favorite live performers right now in the genre. Soulful, smooth vocals from T.J and great instrumentation. "Love The Lonely" was probably my favorite, though all of the live performances were great, including one for "Rum".
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Post by Markus Meyer on Jul 30, 2014 16:58:06 GMT -5
Took a while, but I'm on board with this one.
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Post by sabre14 on Aug 11, 2014 20:55:10 GMT -5
13 more adds for "Rum" this week as it moves to #31 on MB with over .400 gained in audience. It's spin increase is 165 over the past seven days as well on the rolling chart. This is sure looking like it's starting to take off and with a label like EMI promoting this, I'm hopeful that this can finally get their debut album out there.
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Post by bigdubbleu on Aug 12, 2014 11:34:43 GMT -5
This one has really grown on me. The vocals and the bluesy vibe have it amongst my favorite releases of late. Looking forward to hearing some of their other music.
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Post by dm2081 on Oct 19, 2014 14:38:16 GMT -5
I think this one could be done as well. Down 4 spots on Mediabase today, losing a quarter million of audience and 84 spins today. I'll leave it for jhomes or sabre14 to make it official, but either way I don't see this one gaining too much more. It's unfortunate because I think this is one of the more original sounding songs of the year, I really would have liked this one to be a big hit. I can't help but feel this would have been a huge #1 hit had Zac Brown Band recorded it.
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Post by sabre14 on Oct 19, 2014 15:06:50 GMT -5
It's not quite official just yet but I agree that the end is just about here for "Rum". Big hit today but the bigger tell for me are its weekly gains the past three weeks. "Rum" the past three weeks has only gained a total of 136 spins and just a measly 165k in audience. It's last two weeks have only seen an increase of 15 total spins and a loss of nearly 600k in audience (with a loss of nearly 500k this chart week). It went bulletless on Billboard this past week as well but I don't think it will be sent recurrent on that chart since the audience loss hasn't been sharp enough and the fact it did have an increase of 4 spins this week on MB (I'll leave its Billboard fate up to jhomes87). 30 weeks old though and just 1 new station the past three weeks. Again, not quite official but I do think "Rum" is at the end of the line. The fact that this was able to keep a slight bullet yet drop 4 positions certainly tells me that we are in need of a house cleaning as Hunter dropped three spots with his bullet this week as well. Shame it couldn't get to the top 20 but this peak is what I expected once it hit the top 40. Hopefully this can help with some momentum for their next single as I find this duo to be immensely talented.
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Post by sabre14 on Oct 20, 2014 18:59:36 GMT -5
It's not quite official just yet but I agree that the end is just about here for "Rum". Big hit today but the bigger tell for me are its weekly gains the past three weeks. "Rum" the past three weeks has only gained a total of 136 spins and just a measly 165k in audience. It's last two weeks have only seen an increase of 15 total spins and a loss of nearly 600k in audience (with a loss of nearly 500k this chart week). It went bulletless on Billboard this past week as well but I don't think it will be sent recurrent on that chart since the audience loss hasn't been sharp enough and the fact it did have an increase of 4 spins this week on MB (I'll leave its Billboard fate up to jhomes87). 30 weeks old though and just 1 new station the past three weeks. Again, not quite official but I do think "Rum" is at the end of the line. The fact that this was able to keep a slight bullet yet drop 4 positions certainly tells me that we are in need of a house cleaning as Hunter dropped three spots with his bullet this week as well. Shame it couldn't get to the top 20 but this peak is what I expected once it hit the top 40. Hopefully this can help with some momentum for their next single as I find this duo to be immensely talented. Wow, look at this - My mistake. "Rum" has been sent recurrent on Billboard Airplay.
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Post by someguy on Oct 20, 2014 19:34:48 GMT -5
Billboard allowed it to stay on without a bullet last week (in week 29), so my understanding is that they had to send it recurrent this week if it had any sort of loss in both spins and AI. That is, of course, if they choose to follow their own rules, which they don't always do
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Post by sabre14 on Oct 20, 2014 19:37:22 GMT -5
Billboard allowed it to stay on without a bullet last week (in week 29), so my understanding is that they had to send it recurrent this week if it had any sort of loss in both spins and AI. That is, of course, if they choose to follow their own rules, which they don't always do Yeah that's why I was skeptical they would follow through and send it to recurrent land. The losses just weren't sharp enough for me to be convinced that Billboard would send it recurrent but you're right; The fact they went bulletless last week put Billboard in spot and they decided to actually follow through with their rules.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2014 19:48:53 GMT -5
This already had its grace week, so if it lost 1 spin and 1k in audience this week, by rule, Billboard would send it recurrent (and they did). Now there have been a few recent cases where they chose not to follow their own rules, but this lost enough audience that I figured it would drop off the chart. I suppose EMI could try to fight for a re-entry but I don't think they will--early sales were pretty good for this (it had a high sales per spin ratio in its first couple months at radio), but lately it hasn't been selling any better than most other songs in the same chart vicinity. I have family visiting me so even though I saw that you tagged me last night, sabre14, I didn't get a chance to reply in this thread. If I had, I would've gone with at least a 75% chance of this one not regaining its bullet and thus getting sent recurrent.
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Post by sabre14 on Oct 26, 2014 14:18:39 GMT -5
This already had its grace week, so if it lost 1 spin and 1k in audience this week, by rule, Billboard would send it recurrent (and they did). Now there have been a few recent cases where they chose not to follow their own rules, but this lost enough audience that I figured it would drop off the chart. I suppose EMI could try to fight for a re-entry but I don't think they will--early sales were pretty good for this (it had a high sales per spin ratio in its first couple months at radio), but lately it hasn't been selling any better than most other songs in the same chart vicinity. I have family visiting me so even though I saw that you tagged me last night, sabre14, I didn't get a chance to reply in this thread. If I had, I would've gone with at least a 75% chance of this one not regaining its bullet and thus getting sent recurrent. Well look at this; After "Rum" had seemed to go downhill with losses of over 100 spins this week, Brothers Osborne has regained their bullet on MB today with a spin increase of 17 and an audience gain of 250k since last Sunday. They actually never technically lost their bullet as the negative gains came one day after last weeks official totals (they gained 4 spins and were granted their bullet on the October 20th chart week). So at least on MB, "Rum" has salvaged another bulleted week. Will this reappear on Billboard tomorrow or will they decide to leave it recurrent?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2014 14:43:11 GMT -5
Well look at this; After "Rum" had seemed to go downhill with losses of over 100 spins this week, Brothers Osborne has regained their bullet on MB today with a spin increase of 17 and an audience gain of 250k since last Sunday. They actually never technically lost their bullet as the negative gains came one day after last weeks official totals (they gained 4 spins and were granted their bullet on the October 20th chart week). So at least on MB, "Rum" has salvaged another bulleted week. Will this reappear on Billboard tomorrow or will they decide to leave it recurrent? How much longer can this stick around? Regardless of whether it reappears on Billboard, I can't see much future potential for this one. It's a good song but it's just been lingering too long. It isn't anything groundbreaking and with the charts as cluttered as they are, I think a new artist would really need a near-breakthrough song. Also hasn't had great sales. Can I say that I'm also sick of hearing "here's some new music" before this song on my local station every time it's been played since the beginning of August...
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Post by sabre14 on Oct 26, 2014 14:53:26 GMT -5
Well look at this; After "Rum" had seemed to go downhill with losses of over 100 spins this week, Brothers Osborne has regained their bullet on MB today with a spin increase of 17 and an audience gain of 250k since last Sunday. They actually never technically lost their bullet as the negative gains came one day after last weeks official totals (they gained 4 spins and were granted their bullet on the October 20th chart week). So at least on MB, "Rum" has salvaged another bulleted week. Will this reappear on Billboard tomorrow or will they decide to leave it recurrent? How much longer can this stick around? Regardless of whether it reappears on Billboard, I can't see much future potential for this one. It's a good song but it's just been lingering too long. It isn't anything groundbreaking and with the charts as cluttered as they are, I think a new artist would really need a near-breakthrough song. Also hasn't had great sales. Can I say that I'm also sick of hearing "here's some new music" before this song on my local station every time it's been played since the beginning of August... I did not say this was going to stick around for a long run, nor did I say this had even more potential. I was simply stating that it was able to salvage it's bullet for another week. It was all but dead a few days ago and now it has seen an increase. Obvioulsy EMI has decided to fight for airplay here but I agree that its a lost cause at this point and I said as much before hand in this thread. As for cluttering up the charts; We are starting to see a house cleaning with 6 songs in the MB top 30 rolling chart bulletless with a couple more to follow before the Holidays I'm sure. There's no need to worry about the clutter right now like two or three weeks ago.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2014 15:04:13 GMT -5
I would be a little surprised if Billboard actually grants a re-entry here. I remember a few years back Uncle Kracker's "Good To Be Me" went recurrent from just outside the top 30 and it stayed off the charts for a few weeks before re-entering, climbing a few more spots, and then going recurrent for good.
I expect Billboard to wait and see whether this can actually sustain this "new wind" in its sails. Its net gain over the last 6 days has not been very big, after all.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2014 15:08:57 GMT -5
How much longer can this stick around? Regardless of whether it reappears on Billboard, I can't see much future potential for this one. It's a good song but it's just been lingering too long. It isn't anything groundbreaking and with the charts as cluttered as they are, I think a new artist would really need a near-breakthrough song. Also hasn't had great sales. Can I say that I'm also sick of hearing "here's some new music" before this song on my local station every time it's been played since the beginning of August... I did not say this was going to stick around for a long run, nor did I say this had even more potential. I was simply stating that it was able to salvage it's bullet for another week. It was all but dead a few days ago and now it has seen an increase. Obvioulsy EMI has decided to fight for airplay here but I agree that its a lost cause at this point and I said as much before hand in this thread. As for cluttering up the charts; We are starting to see a house cleaning with 6 songs in the MB top 30 rolling chart bulletless with a couple more to follow before the Holidays I'm sure. There's no need to worry about the clutter right now like two or three weeks ago. Just discussing. :) Do you think things are really going to un-clutter? There's a handful of songs that will surely begin to make their way up the charts. "Say You Do," "Gonna Wanna Tonight," "Ain't Worth the Whiskey," "Lay Low," "Hard to Be Cool," "Sun Daze," "Lonely Eyes," "One Hell of an Amen," "Don't It" and whatever Miranda Lambert decides to release next will undoubtedly be heading up in the 30s over the next two months. For those who have been around much longer than me: is fall usually such a busy chart time? Seems like the quality (and quantity of quality) of songs is greatly improving since over the spring and summer.
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Post by sabre14 on Oct 26, 2014 15:19:37 GMT -5
I did not say this was going to stick around for a long run, nor did I say this had even more potential. I was simply stating that it was able to salvage it's bullet for another week. It was all but dead a few days ago and now it has seen an increase. Obvioulsy EMI has decided to fight for airplay here but I agree that its a lost cause at this point and I said as much before hand in this thread. As for cluttering up the charts; We are starting to see a house cleaning with 6 songs in the MB top 30 rolling chart bulletless with a couple more to follow before the Holidays I'm sure. There's no need to worry about the clutter right now like two or three weeks ago. Just discussing. :) Do you think things are really going to un-clutter? There's a handful of songs that will surely begin to make their way up the charts. "Say You Do," "Gonna Wanna Tonight," "Ain't Worth the Whiskey," "Lay Low," "Hard to Be Cool," "Sun Daze," "Lonely Eyes," "One Hell of an Amen," "Don't It" and whatever Miranda Lambert decides to release next will undoubtedly be heading up in the 30s over the next two months. For those who have been around much longer than me: is fall usually such a busy chart time? Seems like the quality (and quantity of quality) of songs is greatly improving since over the spring and summer. Well on MB for example, both Luke and the Swon Brothers will officially be sent recurrent tonight. Over the next two chart issues (Nov 3rd, Nov 10th) we will see FGL, Chase Rice, Miranda/Carrie, Garth, Rascal Flatts, and John King all go recurrent. Then you factor in songs like "Rum", "Small Town Throwdown", and "Tattoo" all hanging on by a thread. Plus Big & Rich and Parmalee are near the end of the road. The Fall factor to me is simply subjective in terms of song quality. Usually more ballads and slower songs are released this time of year though, so that might be a factor. Any time of the year can be busy in terms of the charts. Usually the Summer into the fall, you see very high audience and point totals for songs though like "It Goes Like This" last year and "Where It's At" and "Roller Coaster" this year. It all depends really on multiple factors. I remember the top end of the chart having extremely low totals for the top 10 to 15 songs at the end of 2007 due to many songs going recurrent and a long stay for "Don't Blink" which usually happens after a long stay like that at #1. Taylor Swift's "Our Song" barely had 30 million in audience when she took over the #1 position on Billboard in December of that year.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2014 15:02:01 GMT -5
This is up another 200k in audience since Monday, and its bullet is back up to 108. Furthermore, after falling out of the MB top 30 for a week, "Rum" re-entered this past week, moving 31-30 on the published Mediabase chart, which means it should gain back countdown spins the next 2 Sundays (this Sunday from the stations that only play the top 30 version of Kix Brooks' countdown, and next Sunday from Lon Helton's countdown).
I'm not entirely sure yet if I see Billboard re-entering this one, but given that 3 top 10 songs will go recurrent on Monday ("Dirt", "Small Town Throwdown", and "Ready Set Roll" - hallelujah!), it's got a decent chance. Right now I'll go with a 60% that it re-enters on Monday's chart and a 40% chance that it doesn't. The reason why it still might not re-enter is because Billboard could still be on the fence as to whether this will actually gain much more than it currently is. They might simply look at it and say "it's had 2 weeks of small gains since it fell off, but we don't think that's enough to say that this song has done enough to be 'revived'."
We'll see, though. I continue to think of Uncle Kracker's "Good To Be Me" from a few years back. I seem to remember it staying recurrent for 3-4 weeks before returning to the chart, so Billboard might not want to readmit "Rum" just yet. They don't want it to seem as if they made a mistake by sending it recurrent prematurely (and really, they didn't--it did have back-to-back negative weeks; it's simply that EMI Nashville has continued to promote the song when most labels would have let it go).
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Post by sabre14 on Oct 30, 2014 15:19:18 GMT -5
This is up another 200k in audience since Monday, and its bullet is back up to 108. Furthermore, after falling out of the MB top 30 for a week, "Rum" re-entered this past week, moving 31-30 on the published Mediabase chart, which means it should gain back countdown spins the next 2 Sundays (this Sunday from the stations that only play the top 30 version of Kix Brooks' countdown, and next Sunday from Lon Helton's countdown). I'm not entirely sure yet if I see Billboard re-entering this one, but given that 3 top 10 songs will go recurrent on Monday ("Dirt", "Small Town Throwdown", and "Ready Set Roll" - hallelujah!), it's got a decent chance. Right now I'll go with a 60% that it re-enters on Monday's chart and a 40% chance that it doesn't. The reason why it still might not re-enter is because Billboard could still be on the fence as to whether this will actually gain much more than it currently is. They might simply look at it and say "it's had 2 weeks of small gains since it fell off, but we don't think that's enough to say that this song has done enough to be 'revived'." We'll see, though. I continue to think of Uncle Kracker's "Good To Be Me" from a few years back. I seem to remember it staying recurrent for 3-4 weeks before returning to the chart, so Billboard might not want to readmit "Rum" just yet. They don't want it to seem as if they made a mistake by sending it recurrent prematurely (and really, they didn't--it did have back-to-back negative weeks; it's simply that EMI Nashville has continued to promote the song when most labels would have let it go). I think "Rum" needs to keep gaining from now til Monday for them to do so. Billboard I'm sure hates admitting they jumped the gun by sending a song recurrent ("Almost Home" and "Carolina" being the poster child's for this). If "Rum" continues to do what they did today I give it a likely it re-enters but there's still a few days left here for that to happen.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2014 19:54:27 GMT -5
Billboard's probably trying to avoid another "out-re-entry-recurrent permanently" scenario like "Sober." But I do think "Rum" will re-enter next week, although I highly doubt at this point the single will make even the top 20. EMI probably saw a clean-out going on on the chart right now and thought that if they can just keep this single alive for a few more weeks they'd reach a better peak position, but once the clean-out's done, I think "Rum" will start to fall again and I don't see the single hanging on through the end of November.
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Post by someguy on Nov 2, 2014 17:41:22 GMT -5
I hope they don't allow it to re-enter. I think that situation should be saved for major exceptions to the rule, not for any song that gains a little bit after going recurrent. If this was closing in on the Top 20, I could maybe see why it should re-enter, but I don't think it should happen for slight increases. That, to me, makes the chart look silly when songs drop off for a week or two, re-enter in a similar position to where they left, and then go recurrent in 3 or 4 weeks (or even the next week).
The song lost a few spins, but gained minimal audience today. Nothing worthy of re-entering, at least in my opinion.
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Post by sabre14 on Nov 5, 2014 13:02:50 GMT -5
I don't quite know why EMI is keeping this alive...Okay, I do know why they are trying to keep it alive, as in the house cleaning going on and trying for a top 25 peak but it's pointless at this point. "Rum" is now well over 30 weeks old and had zero adds this past week. They had a peak of #27 a couple weeks back and looking at the songs going recurrent on MB this weekend, I see "Rum" at best matching their previous peak this weekend (assuming they don't have the bottom fall out on them). Chris' "Lonely Eyes" is not too far behind at all though and might pass them by Sunday.
"Rum" is up over 300k since Sunday but has lost 5 spins. This coming off the heels where they lost over 200k in audience last week while gaining just 8 spins, thus barely maintaining their MB bullet. This is obviously going nowhere and I'm sure most labels would have waved the white flag by now but EMI seems for the moment content at letting "Rum" tread water for as long as possible.
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Post by sabre14 on Nov 8, 2014 14:12:10 GMT -5
"Rum" is finally finished. It lost over 120 spins today and 400k in audience. It won't go recurrent on MB till the 23rd of November but by then it might be out of the top 50 anyway. It's MB peak was #27 a few weeks back.
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