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Post by Duca on Mar 27, 2014 17:10:35 GMT -5
BOTH COOL, BOTH HOT: Disney’s Frozen is set to rule the HITS Album Sales Chart once again this week with about 150k, while Capitol’s 5 Seconds of Summer will grab #2 and 143k. Both titles will hit the weekly finish line with about 10k more in sales than last week’s numbers would’ve suggested. Stay tuned for details, and keep watching our chart until it closes tomorrow. (4/7p)YOUR TOP 15: The race for #1 heats up this week with Capitol's 5 Seconds of Summer providing a solid challenge to Frozen, Disney's powerhouse soundtrack. Here's how it looks headed into the weekend: 1. Frozen (Disney) 140-150k 2. 5 Seconds of Summer (Capitol) 135-145k 3. Chevelle (Epic) 40-45k 4. Christina Perri (Atlantic) 40-45k 5. Dan + Shay (Warner Bros. Nashville) 28-32k 6. Shakira (RCA/Sony Latin) 27-30k 7. Johnny Cash (Sony Legacy) 21-24k 8. Pharrell Williams (Columbia) 21-24k 9. Lorde (Lava/Republic) 18-20k 10. Nickel Creek (Nonesuch) 18-20k 11. The Used (Hopeless) 18-20k 12. Manchester Orchestra (Republic) 17-19k 13. Now 49 (NOW) 15-17k 14. Rick Ross (Def Jam) 15-17k 15. John Legend (Columbia) 15-17k 16. Luke Bryan (Capitol Nashville) 15-17k 17. YG (CTE/Def Jam) 15-17k 18. Steel Panther (Open E/Kobalt) 15-17k In other news, the recent earthquakes caused fissures in the walls of the HITS cesspool, unearthing a trove of promotional cassingles from 1997. (4/3p)
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Post by areyoureadytojump on Mar 27, 2014 18:59:55 GMT -5
I swear Billboard reads HITS and then has to put out its own article! www.billboard.com/articles/columns/chart-beat/6028971/5-seconds-of-summer-makes-chart-debut-as-eps-sales-forecast 5 Seconds of Summer Makes Chart Debut As EP's Sales Forecast SizzlesBy Keith Caulfield, Los Angeles and William Gruger, New York | March 27, 2014 The group, which opened for One Direction on the bulk of its 2013 arena tour, is tracking to make a very splashy debut on the Billboard 200 albums chart in two weeks. Its four-song EP, "She Looks So Perfect," is due out April 1 in the United States on Capitol Records. The set could sell upwards of 150,000 to 200,000 copies in its first week, according to industry forecasters (if not more).That sizable prognostication is based partly on robust pre-orders of the set in the iTunes Store, in addition to first-week performance of comparable albums, media exposure, radio and YouTube trends for an album's first single, and so on. As always, a forecast can be wildly different from the final outcome. In general, you can best guess an album's debut sales week once it's actually on sale. The band actually makes its Billboard chart debut this week, arriving at No. 25 on the Social 50 (dated April 5), thanks to the international release of the EP last week. The Social 50 ranks the most popular artists on YouTube, Vevo, Facebook, Twitter, SoundCloud, Wikipedia, Myspace and Instagram. The chart's methodology blends weekly additions of friends/fans/followers along with artist page views, song plays and reactions as measured by music analytics company Next Big Sound. The buzz around the EP debut equates to a 68% rise in weekly conversation across Facebook and Twitter about the band, which helped lead to the addition of more than 128,000 fans on Facebook (up 62%) and 59,000 on Twitter (up 55%). On Instagram alone, the band received a 78% increase in activity as the platform was utilized to showcase the band’s promotional tour. The band's current single, "She Looks So Perfect," is bubbling under the threshold of the Pop Songs airplay chart (known as Mainstream Top 40 on billboard.biz and in Billboard magazine). In the week ending March 23, the song was being played on 32 monitored top 40 stations, including KIIS Los Angeles, WBBM Chicago and WIHT Washington, D.C. The group is heading out on the road for its first U.S. tour, starting April 11 in San Francisco. It'll later join One Direction yet again, as the opening act for the Europe, U.S. and Canada legs of the British group's stadium tour, starting on May 23.
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Post by ListenToItTwice on Mar 27, 2014 19:28:13 GMT -5
I had assumed that this band was a One Direction clone, but I finally checked out their video today and it seems like they're doing more of a Sexy All-American Rejects thing.
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Post by Glove Slap on Mar 28, 2014 0:26:55 GMT -5
I think I remember hearing about them somewhere before. This is the act that has been having massive pre-orders right?
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Post by imbondz on Mar 28, 2014 6:46:42 GMT -5
A 4 song EP can debut at #1. How many songs have to be on an album for it to be considered an album?
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Post by HolidayGuy on Mar 28, 2014 7:08:13 GMT -5
This thread is rather premature, no? The top 15 forecast for next week was jut posted last night.
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Post by areyoureadytojump on Mar 28, 2014 8:13:55 GMT -5
Nooooo. We got numbers. It should be posted!
Let the controversy begin.
It's a 4 song EP. Priced at $3.99.
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Post by Gary on Mar 28, 2014 8:46:32 GMT -5
The numbers from a HITS chart from a week that has not happened yet is a bigger guess though than numbers from the current week
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Post by pnobelysk on Mar 28, 2014 8:50:30 GMT -5
A 4 song EP can debut at #1. How many songs have to be on an album for it to be considered an album? 4
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Post by icefire9 on Mar 28, 2014 9:06:53 GMT -5
Wow.
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Post by Agent Yoncé on Mar 28, 2014 11:23:36 GMT -5
There are many issues w/this. The first two off bat are the amount of songs & the pricing of the whole thing. I agree w/$3.99 for 4 songs, however I am anxious to see if BB will actually count this & if so, give us a valid reason as to why, not one of those lame excuses they tend to write out by walking around the subject & not providing a clear & concise answer.
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Post by icefire9 on Mar 28, 2014 11:30:44 GMT -5
Imagine if this were blocking some pop girl from #1 instead of preventing an 8 week #1 from getting a 9th week. This thread would already be blowing up.
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Post by ListenToItTwice on Mar 28, 2014 11:35:56 GMT -5
Imagine if this were blocking some pop girl from #1 instead of preventing an 8 week #1 from getting a 9th week. This thread would already be blowing up. If Idina Menzel is a "pop girl," then that's exactly what this is doing. There are many issues w/this. The first two off bat are the amount of songs & the pricing of the whole thing. I agree w/$3.99 for 4 songs, however I am anxious to see if BB will actually count this & if so, give us a valid reason as to why, not one of those lame excuses they tend to write out by walking around the subject & not providing a clear & concise answer. I think Keith Caulfield is sick of Frozen as a number one. (He's said that he's out of puns for headlines, anyway). I don't think this instance will merit a rules change, especially since cases of EPs selling this well are rare. Of course, we could see a lot more artists trying to break through capitalizing on their social media buzz with this exact strategy, at which point I'm sure Billboard will revisit their criteria.
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Post by imbondz on Mar 28, 2014 11:58:42 GMT -5
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Post by ListenToItTwice on Mar 28, 2014 12:01:03 GMT -5
EPs have always been the length that they are, though..
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Post by mluv on Mar 28, 2014 12:02:17 GMT -5
When I've asked this question before it's been pointed out to me that EP's are counted the same as full albums. Since this is not a new policy and there've been numerous eps in the top 200 why all of a sudden are people questioning this now. They're not going to make a policy that includes all eps except when it hits number one. That would be a stupid and inconsistent way of doing charts. Just accept it. This album counts just as much as any other ep and if it makes it to number One then that's where it should be. I don't see the controversy. Will this make more artists make more ep's? So what. Full albums aren't selling anyways so maybe that's what artists should be doing.
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Post by Agent Yoncé on Mar 28, 2014 12:13:57 GMT -5
Imagine if this were blocking some pop girl from #1 instead of preventing an 8 week #1 from getting a 9th week. This thread would already be blowing up. If Idina Menzel is a "pop girl," then that's exactly what this is doing. There are many issues w/this. The first two off bat are the amount of songs & the pricing of the whole thing. I agree w/$3.99 for 4 songs, however I am anxious to see if BB will actually count this & if so, give us a valid reason as to why, not one of those lame excuses they tend to write out by walking around the subject & not providing a clear & concise answer. I think Keith Caulfield is sick of Frozen as a number one. (He's said that he's out of puns for headlines, anyway). I don't think this instance will merit a rules change, especially since cases of EPs selling this well are rare. Of course, we could see a lot more artists trying to break through capitalizing on their social media buzz with this exact strategy, at which point I'm sure Billboard will revisit their criteria. I guess that's one of the perks of having sometype of power. Lol I forget the pricing limit for the first couple of months that BB will count the album. Is it $5.99 the lowest it can go?
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Post by ListenToItTwice on Mar 28, 2014 12:17:07 GMT -5
I forget the pricing limit for the first couple of months that BB will count the album. Is it $5.99 the lowest it can go? It's $3.49, so this is right there. When I've asked this question before it's been pointed out to me that EP's are counted the same as full albums. Since this is not a new policy and there've been numerous eps in the top 200 why all of a sudden are people questioning this now. I think the reason it's controversial is simply that $3.99 EPs and $12.99 albums aren't competing on a level playing field. But you're right: any artist can switch to a 4-song release strategy to increase sales numbers (though not necessarily profits); no one's stopping them. It would be interesting to see a chart that ranked albums by how much money was actually spent on them, like how box office is charted by gross revenue rather than number of tickets sold.
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Post by Agent Yoncé on Mar 28, 2014 12:27:37 GMT -5
Oh ok. I thought it was $5.99. Well then, I truly don't have any issues w/this matter. Lol.
Full length albums aren't selling well. Maybe shortening to an EP could help, but I think the major things that need to happen is to eliminate streaming album tracks/the whole album altogether & of course the artist put out music worth the while of going out to purchase the material. They are many other elements that plays apart w/the albums, but that's another topic.
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Post by josh on Mar 28, 2014 12:29:54 GMT -5
I thought it was $3.49 not that it really matters.
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Post by ListenToItTwice on Mar 28, 2014 12:31:07 GMT -5
I thought it was $3.49 not that it really matters. You're right; I was coming back here to correct my post.
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Post by mluv on Mar 28, 2014 12:31:32 GMT -5
I don't think the 3.99 is simply to increase sales. I think it's because they're new artists. I've seen the 3.99 EP's done before and it's mainly been new artists just starting out who're trying to get a name for themselves. This way they can build an audience and prove to the studio (or future studio if they're independent) that they do have an audience, so the label can see they're worth the investment. Lots of independent artists do these EP's as well. Firstly because it's cheaper to put out a smaller album and it takes less of an investment. Also many starting artists have been told that labels won't even look at them unless they've put out an album first. This is one of the cheaper alternatives for independents. This is just strategy for emerging artists--make at least one EP, get a feature on a song with a bigger name artist and have a remix done. Labels just aren't as willing to take on untested artists now.
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Post by icefire9 on Mar 28, 2014 12:36:36 GMT -5
I wouldn't be surprised to see more of these smaller EPs released as album sales continue to decrease. An artist like Flo Rida (just an example) who doesn't really sell albums in the first place might do much better with a 4 song EP with 4 future singles on it.
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Post by pnobelysk on Mar 28, 2014 21:57:23 GMT -5
I've always been surprised for artists haven't taken this approach yet . I always thought it would work well for Enrique
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Post by ListenToItTwice on Mar 29, 2014 5:33:32 GMT -5
I don't think the 3.99 is simply to increase sales. I think it's because they're new artists. I think this is their second release, but, yes, they're "new artists" as far as the general public is concerned.
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Post by badrobot on Mar 29, 2014 14:37:30 GMT -5
This is a little troublesome, though -- back in pre-iTunes days it wasn't uncommon for "maxi-singles" to have 3 ore more "B-sides" on them, and still count as singles. (Tori Amos had a few that come to mind.)
I wonder if it's at the discretion of the record label.
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Post by ListenToItTwice on Mar 31, 2014 10:43:33 GMT -5
This just in: the EP is priced at $3.96, not $3.99. Will those 3 cents boost sales? Stay tuned.
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Post by areyoureadytojump on Apr 1, 2014 9:09:28 GMT -5
New albums out today: Band of Skulls Street Panther Chritina Perri Chiodos Lacuna Coil Josh Thompson Punk Goes 90s Ronnie James Dio Chevelle The Used The above albums are pictured in the Best Buy circular. Target did not have any albums in their circular. Others: 5 Seconds of Summer Nick Cannon Nickel Creek Mobb Deep More at Amazon.com: www.amazon.com/s?rh=n%3A5174&field-releasedate=0y-6y&ie=UTF8
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Post by Duca on Apr 1, 2014 14:22:33 GMT -5
CAVEAT LECTOR: Our current chart hasn't even finished building yet (psst: Frozen), but we already have some early, early buzz about next week's biggest release. Based on extremely preliminary numbers, Capitol's 5 Seconds of Summer looks set to move in the neighborhood of 170-180k. Of course, much can change between now and then, and we'll keep you apprised. The band's EP, She Looks So Perfect, sits at #1 at iTunes as of this posting. (4/1p)
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Post by renfield75 on Apr 1, 2014 16:07:54 GMT -5
Country artists have been experimenting with this for a couple of years now…I think it may have been a driving factor in Luke Bryan's explosion.
And back in the physical single/b-side days, Billboard made the determination based on price, track number, and running time. The Smashing Pumpkins' "Zero" single had too many original b-sides on it, and ran too long, so Billboard charted that single as an EP on the BB 200, instead of counting those sales towards the Hot 100.
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