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Post by liza on Jul 30, 2014 20:26:52 GMT -5
In the minority obviously, but I'm not a fan of this one. Tim sounds so bored. He is. That's why he wants to go back to Mama's.
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Post by someguy on Aug 4, 2014 21:32:56 GMT -5
This had a slower week and got pushed back from #5 to #7. I still think it's in good shape to hit #1 eventually, but it may have to wait a little longer than I initially thought. I'm surprised at just how fast Lady A are moving. Tim/Faith and Brad will have to wait them out in order to get to #1.
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Post by Zeebz on Aug 5, 2014 18:33:29 GMT -5
I've loved Tim and Faith's collaborations in the past and this one is no exception. It just has a nice vibe to it. Hopefully it will go to number one.
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Post by ctmoonstoneheart on Aug 10, 2014 9:40:11 GMT -5
it's back to #5 on KWORB and mediabase
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Post by Marv on Aug 10, 2014 10:19:41 GMT -5
It's extremely infuriating and downright disheartening when the current top 5 @ Mediabase (Lee Brice/Dierks Bentley/Lady Antebellum/Brad Paisley/Tim & Faith) is the best top five in ages, yet the format certainly doesn't reflect how superb this cluster of standout singles is since they collectively tower over most of the mediocre songs which are screaming up the charts like mad for no intelligent reason.
Even if the rest of 2014 turns out to be a major improvement over the first 35+ weeks of this year with several eagerly anticipated standout new CDs from many of the format's biggest and most-respected artists starting with Lee Ann Womack due to be released, this has really been a grueling year for many of us as it relates to music quality, listenability, and an absence of (for the most part) a lot of memorable music.
Here's hoping that 2015 will be an improvement, but I'm not holding my breath.
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Post by dm2081 on Aug 11, 2014 20:42:11 GMT -5
Why is this song going for max spins now? It's only 17 weeks old, so it should have at least 3 weeks left. I don't see any way of this leaping Dierks or Lady A yet, and the album release is still a month away. Seems a bit premature to me.
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Post by onebuffalo on Aug 13, 2014 10:25:22 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2014 13:16:53 GMT -5
Why is this song going for max spins now? It's only 17 weeks old, so it should have at least 3 weeks left. I don't see any way of this leaping Dierks or Lady A yet, and the album release is still a month away. Seems a bit premature to me. "Max Spins Now" doesn't necessarily mean "going for #1 this week". Sometimes it can but we've seen it before where its basically just the label requesting [ultra] power rotation. So in other words, I don't think Tim/Big Machine are actually going for #1 this week, nor do I think this week will be the song's last week with a bullet. I had thought Brad Paisley would be having bigger updates this week in an attempt to snag the Mediabase #1, but he's not gaining nearly enough on Dierks, and Dierks has a sizable Billboard lead. Thus, it seems that Dierks is in position to top both charts this week, and unless Brad can keep gaining into next week, he might not hit #1 on either chart. After Dierks it will be interesting to see whether Lady A or Tim can hit #1. On Mediabase, Lady A has the higher audience, but Tim has the higher spins total. There's a bit of a gap back to Kenny, but with such a jam-packed top 10, I think a lot of these songs from the big name artists are going to only get 1 week at #1 each. Maybe one song can snag a 2nd week at #1 but it looks like it'll be hard to do. I don't really see a potential multi-week #1 until you get down to "Dirt" or "Roller Coaster" (and of those two, I'd put my money on Luke).
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Post by sabre14 on Aug 13, 2014 13:27:07 GMT -5
Why is this song going for max spins now? It's only 17 weeks old, so it should have at least 3 weeks left. I don't see any way of this leaping Dierks or Lady A yet, and the album release is still a month away. Seems a bit premature to me. "Max Spins Now" doesn't necessarily mean "going for #1 this week". Sometimes it can but we've seen it before where its basically just the label requesting [ultra] power rotation. So in other words, I don't think Tim/Big Machine are actually going for #1 this week, nor do I think this week will be the song's last week with a bullet. I had thought Brad Paisley would be having bigger updates this week in an attempt to snag the Mediabase #1, but he's not gaining nearly enough on Dierks, and Dierks has a sizable Billboard lead. Thus, it seems that Dierks is in position to top both charts this week, and unless Brad can keep gaining into next week, he might not hit #1 on either chart. After Dierks it will be interesting to see whether Lady A or Tim can hit #1. On Mediabase, Lady A has the higher audience, but Tim has the higher spins total. There's a bit of a gap back to Kenny, but with such a jam-packed top 10, I think a lot of these songs from the big name artists are going to only get 1 week at #1 each. Maybe one song can snag a 2nd week at #1 but it looks like it'll be hard to do. I don't really see a potential multi-week #1 until you get down to "Dirt" or "Roller Coaster" (and of those two, I'd put my money on Luke). Yeah sometimes it just means they want heavy rotation like the spin totals that the top 3 songs get every week. I agree on Brad - his gains have not been that impressive and has gained very little ground on Dierks on MB so it looks as if "River Bank" (unless we see a small miracle between now and Sunday) will come up short on both charts. I suspect we will in fact see a rotation of one week #1 singles at least for the next three weeks with Dierks, Lady A, and Tim.
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Post by WamuFive on Aug 15, 2014 10:34:01 GMT -5
I did come to like "When The Stars Go Blue" (even though lyrically, I'm not sure what it's about) I know we've beaten this horse dead, but that Let It Go album was a criminal act committed by Curb Records. One of the questions I want answered before I die will be from Mike Curb on why "Suspicions", and "Kristofferson", and "Nothin' To Die For" were singles but "Train #10", and "Between The River And Me" weren't. I have always wondered the same thing. The latter two songs should forever be concert staples, not retired as album cuts from years gone by. Perhaps Scott Borchetta and BMLG figured with the fact that "Looking For That Girl" got to the top 20 without a huge backlash and the relatively surprising success of the single, that ending it's chart run just before anything damaging could have been done to Tim's radio career was the best course of action. I get the feeling that they thought that the song would have started to slow down very shortly anyway. So with this new song with Faith waiting in the wings, and the ACM's on the doorstep, there was no better time to debut the song to the public. Now that I've had a day to process this decision, it's gradually making more sense to me. I n the end, "Looking For That Girl" might have exceeded some expectations at radio and feedback (though there was still plenty of negative backlash but not as much as I expected). And that prematurely pulling the plug on the song by a couple weeks preserved Tim's long term future at radio and that throwing out a song the fan's and country radio wanted, would help win Tim back quite quickly in their eyes, and just maybe make us forget that LFTG ever happened (even though it still managed a good climb into the top 20 of the singles charts). This.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2014 11:41:57 GMT -5
Honestly, I've yet to be impressed with any artist who has moved from another label to sign with Big Machine.
Curb did some pretty atrocious things, but leaving stellar album tracks in favor of singles like Truck Yeah and Lookin' For That Girl is just downright embarrassing.
If artists chose to record an awful song, put on their album AND release it to radio, shouldn't the artist who recorded it at least have the guts to stand by the song?
If it's so embarrassing, why bother recording it and releasing it if even the ARTIST knows it bad and they're gonna need to redeem themselves with something great because they CHOSE to release terrible singles before that?
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Post by sabre14 on Aug 15, 2014 12:34:24 GMT -5
Honestly, I've yet to be impressed with any artist who has moved from another label to sign with Big Machine. Curb did some pretty atrocious things, but leaving stellar album tracks in favor of singles like Truck Yeah and Lookin' For That Girl is just downright embarrassing. If artists chose to record an awful song, put on their album AND release it to radio, shouldn't the artist who recorded it at least have the guts to stand by the song? If it's so embarrassing, why bother recording it and releasing it if even the ARTIST knows it bad and they're gonna need to redeem themselves with something great because they CHOSE to release terrible singles before that? Perhaps BMLG and Scott Borchetta doesn't think it's "Lookin' For That Girl" was embarrassing. I'm sure Scott Borchetta had a ton to do with that song being cut by Tim and it being the lead single. But I don't think Tim thinks that song is bad. Even though it's Scott Borchetta running the show and has his paws on many business and creative aspects of his rosters artists, I think Tim has enough clout that if he did not like the song, that the label would have said that's fine and move on to the next choice, whether it be "Meanwhile Back At Mama's" or another cut. As bad as that song was (and it to me was easily the worst song McGraw has ever released to country radio, and yes I know he's had some duds like "Truck Yeah"), the label saw the opportunity to release a polarizing song to build up talk and buzz surrounding Tim. Then pull the plug a couple weeks prematurely to release a song that the fans and country radio would be dying for at that point. That song had it's fans believe it or not, which for me is hard to wrap my mind around but it did have a easier ride to the top 15 than I thought it would and had a shot at the top 10 if the plug wasn't pulled on it. In the end that song pretty much accomplished what I believe it was set out to do. Be a polarizing song that got buzz going for Tim's new music and was a big enough hit to reach his fans, but then paved the way for McGraw's latest single which has already made most fans forget about "Lookin' For That Girl" (and those are the one's who hated the song).
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Post by liza on Aug 16, 2014 0:28:23 GMT -5
If Tim thought the song was bad, he wouldn't have sung it on his tour this year. I really dislike the song, but have to admit the music was cool live.
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Post by Marv on Aug 18, 2014 10:37:36 GMT -5
It edged 'Bartender' for the #3 slot on the charts by only 11 points, as opposed to the 61 points by which Dierks edged Brad for #1.
I have stated numerous times that Tim has cost himself several number one singles, not to mention the possibility of having another one or two singles of his wind up #1 for the year, including 'Blank Sheet Of Paper', 'I've Got Friends That Do', 'Whiskey and You' or 'Train #10', none of which ever saw the light of day as singles, which boggles my mind to this date.
That tweet he released after 'LFTG' was released acknowledging the constructive criticism after the underwhelming reaction to that song on this board and elsewhere at least shows us that he listens to his audience, even if somebody at both BMLG & Curb Records chose some horrible singles over his objections.
I still think the world of him, and I'm certainly looking forward to his new CD next month, as well as those by Brad, Lady Antebellum & Lee Ann Womack, which has to be the most anticipated country CD in ages.
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Post by someguy on Aug 18, 2014 12:03:45 GMT -5
I'll be rooting for this one to top both charts this week. If it makes it, it'll be so refreshing to see a song like this (especially a Faith Hill song!) make #1 in 2014.
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Post by sabre14 on Aug 18, 2014 19:11:27 GMT -5
I'll be rooting for this one to top both charts this week. If it makes it, it'll be so refreshing to see a song like this (especially a Faith Hill song!) make #1 in 2014. Just .721 behind Lady A this week on Billboard, and Tim edged them out this week on MB. Then there's the #1 Max Spins Now add in today's Billboard issue. I'm expecting a big push from Big Machine to get this to #1 this week, and I think they will get it.
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Post by Kanenrá:ke on Aug 18, 2014 20:01:16 GMT -5
In terms of all the past big pushes this one'll at least feel somewhat natural to me as I think this was basically a shoe in for #1 anyway.
I'm happy that Faith Hill will get her 10th #1, that'll be great to finally see her achieve that.
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Post by ctmoonstoneheart on Aug 20, 2014 13:18:39 GMT -5
liza thanks for those audio interviews here's Monday's billboard chart update www1.billboard.biz/bbbiz/photos/pdf/2013/country_update_0818.pdflooks like it's going to be #4 this week and probably hit # 1 the week ending September 13th which is right before Sundown Heaven Town is released and its about to reach Gold as well as of current week it's sold 458,000 downloads selling 31 k last week average weekly sales since it's release are 25,444 copies per week
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2014 21:12:24 GMT -5
liza thanks for those audio interviews here's Monday's billboard chart update www1.billboard.biz/bbbiz/photos/pdf/2013/country_update_0818.pdflooks like it's going to be #4 this week and probably hit # 1 the week ending September 13th which is right before Sundown Heaven Town is released and its about to reach Gold as well as of current week it's sold 458,000 downloads selling 31 k last week average weekly sales since it's release are 25,444 copies per week ctmoonstoneheart, this song is #4 on Billboard right now, and it moved up to #2 on Mediabase today. The chart date is actually in the future, so to speak. For example, the Billboard chart that came out on Monday was the issue dated August 30. The charts are dated this way because Billboard prints them in their magazine. And a chart coming out on Monday evening, August 18, isn't going to be ready to print in a magazine until the following week, which in this case would be next week--the week ending the 30th. So the issue date simply reflects the last date that the magazine is to be on store shelves. So this song will definitely peak before Labor Day and it will be on its way down the charts by the time the album is released. "Meanwhile..." should re-pass Lady A on Billboard this week and they'll pass Lee Brice as well since he's falling now, which gets this song to at least #2 by the end of the week. But all indications are that Big Machine is pushing hard for the #1 for this week, aiming to be there on Monday's Billboard chart, and right now I'm not sure if they're going to get it--Dierks Bentley is still increasing in airplay as well, and that makes him really hard to catch. The question is--if Tim/Big Machine don't get to #1 on Sunday/Monday, do they push for one more week and try to be #1 on Labor Day weekend (the 31st/1st)? I have my doubts that they'd do so--I think it's now or never for this week. And right now Dierks looks like he's going to be pretty tough to catch. It's not impossible, but I'm not sold on Tim's #1 chances, especially on Billboard. Mediabase as usual might be a little bit easier but there's still a gap of 300 spins between "Meanwhile Back At Mama's" and "Drunk On A Plane", so that won't be all that easy either. Still 4 days left in the MB week and 5 days for BB, though, so we'll see how things shake out. As of now, the only thing that's clear is that Lady A is playing nice and waiting for Dierks and Tim to clear out before they make their move with "Bartender".
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Post by carriekins on Aug 20, 2014 21:56:13 GMT -5
I think Dierks will get a second week at BB and Tim will barely edge him for #1 on MB.
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Post by dm2081 on Aug 20, 2014 22:12:16 GMT -5
Honestly, even though I enjoy "Meanwhile Back At Mama's", Dierks deserves a second week at #1. His song has been selling better, has an amazing music video, and has been one of the biggest hits of the year. It would seem silly to have MBAM's end it's stay. While critically MBAM's have been a big hit, it's sales haven't been on par with "Drunk on a Plane". A #2 peak seems fitting for Tim (in my opinion). I know it's discussed a lot on Pulse, but I'd rather see longer stays at #1's, where a #1 has more meaning, than everyone get a trophy for winning. If Dierks holds off Tim, and Tim falls the next week, we could see a nice run of multi-weeks #1's in succession, starting with "Drunk on a Plane", then most likely followed by "Bartender", "American Kids", and "Dirt"/"Roller Coaster", which ever one of those peaks first. I'm assuming those two will jump Cole Swindell eventually (or maybe not, he does have a nice lead on them right now), and that Dustin will either have to wait out the big guys or stop just short.
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Post by Markus Meyer on Aug 21, 2014 2:28:35 GMT -5
I really hope Tim gets it next week as opposed to not at all or this week.
Dierks definitely deserves a second week, but Tim is also deserving and I feel like it would be unjust to have him settle at #2. Unlike "Friday Night" or any number of songs that should have settled for #2 but didn't, Tim is certainly worthy of a #1 here.
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Post by sabre14 on Aug 21, 2014 12:35:53 GMT -5
Like jhomes87 said yesterday in excellent form once again, Big Machine is gunning for #1 right now. +470 in spins on the MB rolling chart and up 381 spins since Sunday morning. It's also up 2.2 in audience since Sunday. Unfortunately for Tim and Big Machine, Capitol is refusing to cooperate and are going for a second week at #1 on both MB and Billboard. Dierks' bullet is 284 on MB and it's up 163 spins and 1.1 in audience since Sunday morning. The most important thing right now is Dierks is still 3.5 million ahead in audience and over 300 spins ahead of Tim. If Big Machine wants #1 this week, they will have to really earn it with a major league push this weekend because Dierks is not playing nice.
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Post by onebuffalo on Aug 21, 2014 12:39:41 GMT -5
Like jhomes87 said yesterday in excellent form once again, Big Machine is gunning for #1 right now. +470 in spins on the MB rolling chart and up 381 spins since Sunday morning. It's also up 2.2 in audience since Sunday. Unfortunately for Tim and Big Machine, Capitol is refusing to cooperate and are going for a second week at #1 on both MB and Billboard. Dierks' bullet is 284 on MB and it's up 163 spins and 1.1 in audience since Sunday morning. The most important thing right now is Dierks is still 3.5 million ahead in audience and over 300 spins ahead of Tim. If Big Machine wants #1 this week, they will have to really earn it with a major league push this weekend because Dierks is not playing nice. And carriekins does not mind one bit. I love the Dierks Bentley tune and it does indeed deserve a second week at the top!
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Post by KeepDeanWeird on Aug 21, 2014 13:35:45 GMT -5
Can anyone explain why this went from 55-41-47 on H100? Why the big leap last week and pullback (airplay has been growning) so surprised it retreated. Would've been nice to see them both back in Top 40 of H100 - though Country #1 is still the goal - what looked promising during building chart at beginning of week, now looks less so.
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Post by onebuffalo on Aug 21, 2014 13:39:32 GMT -5
Can anyone explain why this went from 55-41-47 on H100? Why the big leap last week and pullback (airplay has been growning) so surprised it retreated. Would've been nice to see them both back in Top 40 of H100 - though Country #1 is still the goal - what looked promising during building chart at beginning of week, now looks less so. It does stay at #7 on the mongrel chart for a second week. However, it dips from #7 to #12 on the digital songs chart and it is not even in the top 25 most streamed songs.
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Post by carriekins on Aug 21, 2014 13:41:20 GMT -5
Like jhomes87 said yesterday in excellent form once again, Big Machine is gunning for #1 right now. +470 in spins on the MB rolling chart and up 381 spins since Sunday morning. It's also up 2.2 in audience since Sunday. Unfortunately for Tim and Big Machine, Capitol is refusing to cooperate and are going for a second week at #1 on both MB and Billboard. Dierks' bullet is 284 on MB and it's up 163 spins and 1.1 in audience since Sunday morning. The most important thing right now is Dierks is still 3.5 million ahead in audience and over 300 spins ahead of Tim. If Big Machine wants #1 this week, they will have to really earn it with a major league push this weekend because Dierks is not playing nice. And carriekins does not mind one bit. I love the Dierks Bentley tune and it does indeed deserve a second week at the top! As of Tuesday, the illustrious Windmills told me that Tim needed to average an 80 spin gain in his favor to likely take over the MB #1. Yesterday was +86 for Tim, today was -15. So BMLG definitely have their work cut out for them, and Dierks appears like all but a lock for a second week on Billboard. Honestly, I do think that MBAM is worthy of the #1 - and going up against pretty much any other song I'd be rooting harder for it. But as dm2081 pointed out, Drunk on a Plane has been a giant hit this summer, and I feel (both biased and objectively) that it deserves the longer stay at #1.
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Post by onebuffalo on Aug 21, 2014 13:46:52 GMT -5
And carriekins does not mind one bit. I love the Dierks Bentley tune and it does indeed deserve a second week at the top! As of Tuesday, the illustrious Windmills told me that Tim needed to average an 80 spin gain in his favor to likely take over the MB #1. Yesterday was +86 for Tim, today was -15. So BMLG definitely have their work cut out for them, and Dierks appears like all but a lock for a second week on Billboard. Honestly, I do think that MBAM is worthy of the #1 - and going up against pretty much any other song I'd be rooting harder for it. But as dm2081 pointed out, Drunk on a Plane has been a giant hit this summer, and I feel (both biased and objectively) that it deserves the longer stay at #1. Dierks Bentley has not had a multi week #1 since Sideways in 2009 (two weeks). If Meanwhile Back At Mama's peaks at #2, it will be Tim McGraw's eighth runner up hit and I will move him from #20 to #12 on the list of those with the most #2s.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2014 14:16:51 GMT -5
And carriekins does not mind one bit. I love the Dierks Bentley tune and it does indeed deserve a second week at the top! As of Tuesday, the illustrious Windmills told me that Tim needed to average an 80 spin gain in his favor to likely take over the MB #1. Yesterday was +86 for Tim, today was -15. So BMLG definitely have their work cut out for them, and Dierks appears like all but a lock for a second week on Billboard. Don't underestimate Big Machine. I was listening to the KMLE morning show on my way to class today, and they had BOTH Tim and Faith call in (mostly just Tim talking though). The morning co-host Steve asked Tim how he would feel if they played "Meanwhile Back At Mama's" 10 times during the show because they all loved it and thought Tim deserved the #1. Tim didn't specifically ask, but he said something along the lines of "I'll love you even more if you play it 20 times", and he offered to by the whole KMLE crew a bunch of donuts if the song gets to #1. Now of course that could just mean Mediabase and not Billboard--I suspect that, if MBAM is #1 on the Sunday MB update, then Big Machine will cease the push and allow Dierks the 2nd week #1 week at BB, but if somehow Tim is still #2 at MB on Sunday, then I could see them going hard for one more day and trying to top Billboard. So the station and a bunch of people that work there have been tweeting all morning about getting the song to #1, using the hashtag #20forTim (and if I understood them correctly, the "20" is in reference to the # of spins they were planning on giving the song just today alone). twitter.com/KMLE1079Honestly, radio just loves going along with stuff like that. It's a big "you scratch my back, I'll scratch yours" thing. I am sure that the Big Machine promo team is working the phones like crazy but then you also have radio people who just love it when they get to talk to someone like Tim McGraw live on the show for all their listeners to hear. It winds up being fun for everyone involved, and if/when the song hits #1, Tim will call back or stop by and make good on his promise and he'll buy them all donuts and thank them for helping get the song to #1. Btw, the morning show starts at (I believe) 5:30, and as of 9:30, Steve and Nina (co-hosts) had already played the song 3 times, so... So yeah, idk...the numbers don't look to be in Tim's favor right now (on either chart) but I get the sense that Tim and Big Machine are ramping up a major push today and presumably through the rest of the week..
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Post by carriekins on Aug 21, 2014 14:25:25 GMT -5
Oh I don't discount Big Machine at ALL. Tim had a really big gain this past Sunday, which is mostly why I think Billboard is "safe" at the moment for Dierks.
Dierks has also been on Bobby Bones twice already this week. So Capitol is working it, too.
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