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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2014 3:04:39 GMT -5
I see it's digital sales aren't so hot either. Actually, I disagree here. Of course its sales aren't that high but with such a low amount of airplay that's not a surprise. However, Kip's sales per spin ratio is quite high, much higher than many songs that are outside the top 30, which suggests that if this song can start gaining decent amounts of audience, it could be a pretty big digital hit. Kip's core fan base is showing up but so far radio hasn't gotten on board. I think there's still plenty of potential here, although I'd be lying if I said I wasn't worried--Kip has undoubtedly lost a lot of momentum. I don't mind this one but I don't think that this or "Young Love" is nearly as good as songs like "Beer Money" and "Hey Pretty Girl" and I guess I'm just surprised that YL and DR are apparently the best songs Kip could offer us so far (from his 2nd album). Neither song seems like a strong single to me, at least compared to the singles from his debut album. I guess I just assumed that he would lead-off with a strong song that was an undeniable smash, but "Young Love" wasn't that and I don't think "Dirt Road" is either, even if it does wind up becoming a slow-climbing hit.
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Post by cardinalr on Jun 12, 2014 9:28:12 GMT -5
The album has been delayed several times for various reasons now but he's been saying "late summer" for a few months now and this week he specifically said "late September" so I don't see it being pushed back any more since I'm sure they want it out before he hits the road for the CMT tour this fall which starts September 25 which of course lines up. Hope this song can gain some steam...
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Post by Kat5Kind on Jun 12, 2014 11:38:54 GMT -5
Kip needs to go back to songs like Something Bout A Truck/Hey Pretty Girl if he wants staying power.
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Post by justme60 on Jun 12, 2014 18:02:07 GMT -5
I didn't think he sang live very good at the CMT's show.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2014 18:15:43 GMT -5
The album has been delayed several times for various reasons now but he's been saying "late summer" for a few months now and this week he specifically said "late September" so I don't see it being pushed back any more since I'm sure they want it out before he hits the road for the CMT tour this fall which starts September 25 which of course lines up. Hope this song can gain some steam... The September release is likely assuming that "Dirt Road" becomes a hit (at least top 20). If this song doesn't become a big enough hit there's no way the label will release the album. They'll wait until he gets a song that hits.
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Post by cardinalr on Jun 13, 2014 9:21:04 GMT -5
The album has been delayed several times for various reasons now but he's been saying "late summer" for a few months now and this week he specifically said "late September" so I don't see it being pushed back any more since I'm sure they want it out before he hits the road for the CMT tour this fall which starts September 25 which of course lines up. Hope this song can gain some steam... The September release is likely assuming that "Dirt Road" becomes a hit (at least top 20). If this song doesn't become a big enough hit there's no way the label will release the album. They'll wait until he gets a song that hits. Hopefully that's not the case but that makes sense too. It seems like Kip had a big say in 'Dirt Road' being the next release and, as big of a fan as I am of him, I didn't thing this song would go over very well, especially compared to several other options off the new record. 'Young Love' and 'Dirt Road' are probably the least "chart friendly" songs I've heard from the new record and they have of course been the first two singles, haha.
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Post by someguy on Jun 14, 2014 19:54:51 GMT -5
I don't really see this song going anywhere. After "Young Love" did so poorly, he needed to come back with a really strong song, and unfortunately I don't think this is it. I could see it hanging around for a few more weeks and making sneaking into the top 40, but that's about it.
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Post by .indulgecountry on Jun 15, 2014 2:26:11 GMT -5
I don't like this at all. "Beer Money" is thus far the only single of his that I've found so much as tolerable (I even like it a fair bit), but everything else including this (and excluding 'Mary' as I haven't heard it) has been a station change for me. That said, I was a bit surprised that "Young Love" failed to do much on the heels of three solid hits from his debut album.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2014 2:02:54 GMT -5
I'm getting word that MCA is pulling this, and I'm honestly not surprised. It's gotten as high as #45 on Billboard, but just spent its 10th chart week down at #51. Things just never looked promising from the start for this one.
I don't think this is a terrible song but it just never struck me as a likely hit, and I felt the same about "Young Love". I find both to be decent songs--unique production, good vocals, above average lyrics--but I don't think they were good single choices and I'm a bit worried as to where Kip is going to go from here. I was just expecting to really enjoy his new material more than I have, but these 2 new songs haven't been nearly as good as almost all the songs from his debut album.
Also, it doesn't help Kip that in the time since he's 'cooled off' (after "Hey Pretty Girl"), we've seen so many other artists score breakthrough or comeback hits. I mean, just in the last 12-18 months, we've seen big hits from Jake Owen, Chris Young, Tyler Farr, Joe Nichols, Billy Currington, Craig Campbell, Brad Paisley, Eric Paslay, Dustin Lynch, Chase Rice, Cole Swindell, Frankie Ballard, Parmalee, Cassadee Pope, David Nail, Dan + Shay, Scotty McCreery, Jon Pardi, Randy Houser, Danielle Bradbery, etc. And now there's Sam Hunt too.
There are just so many artists trying to make it right now and Kip has just gotten lost in the shuffle here...radio didn't really take to this one but again, I'm honestly not that surprised. Hopefully he and MCA can regroup and come back with a killer song. I think an August or September release (or later, if need be) would be great as that would likely be better timing (too many songs going for adds in July).
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Post by mylifeback on Jul 2, 2014 11:12:26 GMT -5
Well, I think it's too bad this song didn't do anything - I heard it a couple of times & actually really liked it. I haven't liked any of Kip's singles since Beer Money, which I absolutely loved. Young Love to my ear was incredibly boring with that plodding chorus.
I mainly listen to country music in my car, so I like songs that have tempo and I can sing along to. My favorite country songs are usually the ones that are great sing-alongs, not that I don't love a good ballad, but I do love catchy mid to up-tempos.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2014 21:22:06 GMT -5
I don't think they've pulled it yet but apparently MCA is very frustrated with how this one has been completely unable to take off after almost 3 months on the chart now. So they are thinking about moving on fairly soon (this is coming from a friend who knows someone on Kip's team).
Kip also posted this on Facebook today:
He's always struck me as someone who wouldn't want to wait for a song to hit big in order to put the album out (and I don't mean that in a bad way). So I wonder if MCA will push really hard with a 3rd single, and possibly release an EP here soon? Kip is after all headlining the CMT tour this fall and they are running out of time to have a high-charting song by then.
With "Young Love" having been released way back in November, obviously he and everyone involved were probably expecting to have his album out by now (originally late April was the target date), so with "Dirt Road" likely going nowhere and perhaps a little lag time yet 'til their next move, it could be late 2014 or into 2015 before MCA is willing to put out an album, and that's a long time after the release of "Young Love".
I just hope that MCA sticks with him and really goes hard at it with whatever the next single is.
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Post by sabre14 on Jul 2, 2014 22:36:23 GMT -5
There was some talk about Kip wanting "Dirt Road" to be a single. Listening to this song numerous times, I've attempted to have this grow on me and I didn't succeed in doing so -- I don't dislike this song but I just couldn't get a good feel from this like I did his first record. Going back to who's decision it was to release "Dirt Road", I would be interested if Kip did have a major role in this being the follow up to "Young Love" as it clearly was the wrong decision and not the kind of song you'd want to release a sophomore album with.
I agree with others in that I'm unfortunately not surprised that this failed at country radio. I don't know where MCA and Kip go from here but it's clear that they better get the next single choice correct, as I feel that Kip's staying power at radio might depend on it (or perhaps it's back to square one anyway). It's a shame that all of his momentum he obtained from "Somethin' Bout A Truck, "Beer Money" and "Hey Pretty Girl" has vanished. I don't know how long they will wait for the next single to drop, but if it takes longer than normal to find the right song, I will gladly support that since the summer releases are pretty stacked as it is.
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Post by countrysuperfan on Jul 2, 2014 23:49:11 GMT -5
They really should have gone with another single or two from his GREAT debut album since they had nothing solid to move onto. One really has to wonder what the label/team were thinking...
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Post by sabre14 on Jul 5, 2014 12:56:49 GMT -5
Pretty nice increase for Kip today, especially compared to other updates he has had lately, as "Dirt Road" has a bullet of nearly 100 and jumps to #46 today on MB. He should move to #45 with Brett officially going recurrent tomorrow. I know that jhomes87 gave some insight on Kip's team seriously considering pulling the plug on "Dirt Road" but perhaps they'll wait this out for another couple weeks to see if they can muster any sort of steam for this single.
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Post by jenglisbe on Jul 5, 2014 17:33:25 GMT -5
Is there an original idea in Nashville? Surely there are some rocks on these dirts road songwriters can look under.
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Post by rsmatto on Jul 6, 2014 17:57:21 GMT -5
Is there an original idea in Nashville? Surely there are some rocks on these dirts road songwriters can look under. Original idea? He's clearly speaking about how he sees earth being pretty heavenly to him. What do you expect writers to write and sing about? There hasn't been too many original ideas in popular music for years. If they are 'original' to a genre (say production wise) people ALWAYS hear sounds of other tunes in them too. I don't think they've pulled it yet but apparently MCA is very frustrated with how this one has been completely unable to take off after almost 3 months on the chart now. So they are thinking about moving on fairly soon (this is coming from a friend who knows someone on Kip's team). Kip also posted this on Facebook today: He's always struck me as someone who wouldn't want to wait for a song to hit big in order to put the album out (and I don't mean that in a bad way). So I wonder if MCA will push really hard with a 3rd single, and possibly release an EP here soon? Kip is after all headlining the CMT tour this fall and they are running out of time to have a high-charting song by then. With "Young Love" having been released way back in November, obviously he and everyone involved were probably expecting to have his album out by now (originally late April was the target date), so with "Dirt Road" likely going nowhere and perhaps a little lag time yet 'til their next move, it could be late 2014 or into 2015 before MCA is willing to put out an album, and that's a long time after the release of "Young Love". I just hope that MCA sticks with him and really goes hard at it with whatever the next single is. Oh, they'll stick with him. They love his music. They've just gone with two songs KIP wanted these last two times. They can find something that'll regain the momentum, I'm sure of it.
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Post by cardinalr on Jul 6, 2014 21:04:52 GMT -5
The music video for this song will debut on CMT this week.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2014 1:36:36 GMT -5
Go figure, right after I post that MCA is thinking about pulling this, it starts to take off a bit more. I haven't heard anything new from anyone close to Kip, but it definitely appears now that they are at least going to keep working this for a few more weeks yet. I'm still not convinced it will really take off but at least it's starting to show a bit more life now. The music video was also released on CMT this past weekend. www.cmt.com/videos/kip-moore/1060222/dirt-road.jhtml
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Post by cardinalr on Jul 9, 2014 9:40:14 GMT -5
Not sure if the online version has the 'credits' at the end like the TV version does, but on TV it formally says the album title of 'Smoke,' which I think is the first public acknowledgement of said album title aside from the Amazon accidental listing back in the spring.
Hope this picks up some steam but either way I doubt it will get enough to warrant the album release in September like was the plan, so will be interesting to see how things shake out with the CMT Tour and Kip's recent tweet about wanting to get some new music out to fans sooner than later. Wonder if he'll do a four-song EP on iTunes and then launch a new single closer to the tour start-date of late September and aim for the album in early 2015?
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Post by Kentucky25 on Jul 9, 2014 21:34:04 GMT -5
Not sure how well the video will help to push this song up the charts, (I'm generalizing Country music fans here), a large majority of Country music fans are Christians or most closely identify with that religion, so portraying the preacher's sermon with lightning I can imagine will be off-putting to a lot of those people.
Note...Personally I like the song and don't find it to be anti-Christian, but I can see an easy way someone looking for a reason could find one. This song will be like "Beer With Jesus", it's going to be a split-decision by Christian fans.
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Post by rbundy1987 on Jul 13, 2014 14:10:28 GMT -5
No biggie here, but I was watching CMT this morning and the video for "Dirt Road" aired and at the end of the video, it says that the album will be in fact titled as predicted, Smoke whenever it does come out.
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Post by sabre14 on Aug 11, 2014 11:36:48 GMT -5
It appears MCA has finally given up on "Dirt Road". It's down nearly .400 in audience and -84 in spins on MB. Plus no adds the past two weeks. It's peak was #45 on MB and #44 on Billboard.
Kip just could not escape the back portion of the 40's. It's 16 weeks old and hadn't even gotten that close to cracking the top 40. I agree with many who say that "Dirt Road" was not the greatest single choice, especially coming off a disappointing peak with "Young Love". I wonder where MCA will go from here and how long the gap will be between the "Dirt Road" and the next single. I know that they have to release something more radio friendly than "Dirt Road" if they want to get his sophomore album released. Very troubling seeing this happen after all the momentum he achieved with Up All Night.
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Post by cardinalr on Aug 11, 2014 13:03:05 GMT -5
I would assume the next single will come out at the end of September to coincide with the CMT tour. He sent a couple of tweets last week that some teasers for the album / new music are coming soon so it seems at least there's a plan in mind to get the album (finally) going, but we'll see since it's of course pretty dependent on the next single doing well.
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Post by zjames on Aug 11, 2014 13:10:31 GMT -5
This song was very underwhelming. When I first heard this, I knew it had no chance of rebuilding Kip's momentum. I loved Up All Night, so I'm very disappointed to see Kip struggling so much.
I'm still surprised "Young Love" didn't turn into a big hit. The song felt perfect for him in my opinion. I never thought Kip would be in this position. He probably has to release something in the same vein of "Somethin' Bout A Truck" to come back now.
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Post by someguy on Aug 12, 2014 23:19:28 GMT -5
I agree that this is done, peaking at #44 on Billboard as of last week. It will likely have one more week on the chart, but I guess there's a chance it could naturally fall all the way out of the top 60. I doubt it will, though.
Kip has lost some serious momentum now. His next single will be make or break for his career, I think. If he has another flop, I could see MCA dropping him without releasing an album.
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Post by cardinalr on Aug 13, 2014 11:23:21 GMT -5
Big-picture wise, he's still batting .500 in terms of singles going to No. 1 which is a pretty good clip for only having one album out. But yeah, goes without saying that it's important for the next single to get top 20 or better.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2014 20:12:41 GMT -5
Well if this isn't one of the weirdest things I've ever seen since I started chart-watching...the Cumulus block (13 stations) just added this song today. Surely they know that this song has been recurrent for a few weeks on both Billboard and Mediabase, and that MCA Nashville long ago stopped promoting it..?
I have never seen this happen. Cumulus also added Lee Ann Womack's new single today but that's not as weird, because Lee Ann's album is coming out soon and that song has been getting some airplay (albeit minimal airplay), mainly on Nash Icon stations. But the point is that LAW's song is still being promoted by her label, and every now and then Cumulus makes a random "out of left field" choice for an add. So I wasn't totally shocked there (although it was definitely a pleasant surprise), but the sudden block-add for "Dirt Road" is a big shocker and a total head-scratcher.
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Post by sabre14 on Sept 2, 2014 20:16:50 GMT -5
Well if this isn't one of the weirdest things I've ever seen since I started chart-watching...the Cumulus block (13 stations) just added this song today. Surely they know that this song has been recurrent for a few weeks on both Billboard and Mediabase, and that MCA Nashville long ago stopped promoting it..? I have never seen this happen. Cumulus also added Lee Ann Womack's new single today but that's not as weird, because Lee Ann's album is coming out soon and that song has been getting some airplay (albeit minimal airplay), mainly on Nash Icon stations. But the point is that LAW's song is still being promoted by her label, and every now and then Cumulus makes a random "out of left field" choice for an add. So I wasn't totally shocked there (although it was definitely a pleasant surprise), but the sudden block-add for "Dirt Road" is a big shocker and a total head-scratcher. Okay, so I'm not going crazy. I thought the first day back to college courses made my brain go to mush in one day. I thought that was a typo at first on All Access. Then I saw the stations were Cumulus, so I knew it probably wasn't. I can safely say I've never seen this scenario happen in terms of chart watching. A song that only peaked in the mid 40's goes recurrent, then a couple weeks later out of the clear blue sky, 13 adds from the Cumulus block. I'm dumbfounded.
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