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Post by 43dudleyvillas on Jan 22, 2015 22:12:18 GMT -5
Liberal folks can't seem to accept that other people don't share their point of view on everything. Grady Smith, the author of the Guardian piece to which you are objecting, identifies as a social and political conservative. Anyway, I was very surprised to see "God Made Girls" go recurrent at Billboard last week, to the point that my immediate thought was to expect a resurrection next week. While "God Made Girls" hasn't been going much of anywhere since its On the Verge promotion expired, it looked to me as if "God Made Girls" could have at least made the top-15 if it had hung around for a few more weeks -- there isn't a cluster of high-powered songs right on its tail. And it certainly has hung around on the sales charts. I could barely make it through the songs on her EP due to the unpleasantness of RaeLynn's voice and its weird affectations, so I am glad to read that her next single is likely not from that selection.
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Post by .indulgecountry on Jan 22, 2015 23:15:49 GMT -5
I'm really disappointed to hear that this got pulled from the chart. I hope it can recover and be re-admitted back onto the chart. It's frustrating that this has been struggling like it has, because if RaeLynn weren't suffering from the stigma against female artists, I'm pretty sure this would be doing a whole helluva lot better. I mean, the sales for this have been undeniably great, and anything less than Top 10 for this seems "low" to me given that, the label force behind her, and the fact that she was selected as an OTV artist. I would've liked to at least have seen this top out where "The Heart of Dixie" did, though I felt aiming for the #10 spot that "Wasting All These Tears" and "Merry Go 'Round" attained seemed reasonable, imo.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2015 12:10:52 GMT -5
I do expect this to re-enter Billboard eventually if not this week. I'm not expecting RaeLynn to get a top 10 here because the song is so old and has stirred up quite a controversy, but I don't see why this can't come pretty close to the peak levels Cassadee Pope and Danielle Bradbery reached with their debut singles. There's actually not much competition going on in the teens right now, which will benefit RaeLynn with a strong digital seller/lead single.
Outside the top 10 on Mediabase and still ahead of "God Made Girls" as of today's update, there's a fourth single from Brett Eldredge which has only gained 97 spins on Mediabase in the past week, a lead single from Darius Rucker that has basically held flat over the past two weeks and is selling worse on iTunes than many non-lead singles in its vicinity, and songs from Lee Brice and Chris Young that have been pretty slow-burners from the beginning despite decent numbers. Even behind RaeLynn is a pretty quiet cluster of songs. Besides a big hit from Cole Swindell, there's a David Nail song that is all but finished its chart run, a very weak seller from Lady Antebellum that is looking more like a #15 peak than a top 10, and slow-burning ballads from Jake Owen and Dierks Bentley. I'd be inclined to think that, given this selection, a lot of radio programmers who weren't too thrilled with this RaeLynn single for whatever reason will end up giving her some more spins/a heavier rotation than they'd originally wanted to simply because there's not much else to play right now.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2015 17:06:35 GMT -5
With today's update (+42 spins, +302k audience, and a positive bullet) RaeLynn does make her case to re-enter the Billboard chart. Maybe she gets back on the chart on Monday, or maybe she has to wait another week or so. So far in this Billboard tracking week, GMG is up about 400k on Mediabase.
The big question is, if this does make it back on the chart, is top 15 the best it can do or could it get into the top 10? Right now RaeLynn is probably 7th in line to reach the top 10, behind Brett, Chase, Darius, Chris, Lee, and Cole, all of whom I think will make the top 10 (but not all will make #1, I'm sure of that). However, RaeLynn will also most likely fall behind Sam Hunt and ZBB (maybe Dierks too) in the coming weeks, so at best she would then be 9th in line for a top 10 spot...which basically means that almost every song currently in the top 10 will have to go recurrent before RaeLynn has her top 10 chance.
Thus I don't see a top 10 peak in this song's future, but top 15 is certainly within reach, assuming that Billboard re-enters this at some point, and that Valory can keep it going for another few weeks..
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Post by someguy on Jan 25, 2015 19:17:39 GMT -5
I sure hope that they don't re-enter it, only to have it peak a couple of spots higher. I'm not for recurrent rules in general, but if you're going to have them, at least follow them (or stand behind your decisions).
That's probably just because I like to watch the charts, but a run of 20-18-19-19-18-off-17-19-off drives me crazy.
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Post by sabre14 on Jan 25, 2015 19:34:48 GMT -5
I sure hope that they don't re-enter it, only to have it peak a couple of spots higher. I'm not for recurrent rules in general, but if you're going to have them, at least follow them (or stand behind your decisions). That's probably just because I like to watch the charts, but a run of 20-18-19-19-18-off-17-19-off drives me crazy. I agree. Though I do think Billboard and even Mediabase (though the recurrent rules for them are a little more cut and dry, even with the "Shotgun Rider" debacle) try to do the best they can. "God Made Girls'" numbers this week and what it has done in recent weeks still makes me think they jumped the gun here by a few weeks though its clear that Valory refuses to go down without a fight. I agree about the recurrent rules and following them. What's worse than re-entering tomorrow is re-entering next Monday which would look incredibly bad if "God Made Girsl" ends up only staying back on two more weeks or so which is the scenario you just laid out. I think a top 10 peak is nearly impossible right now just because how long it will take to get there, so I do believe a think a top 15 peak is the max it can muster, "if" it re-enters - which is exactly what I thought it would do when the OTV announcement was made.
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Post by .indulgecountry on Jan 25, 2015 20:24:56 GMT -5
I hope this re-enters and can at least make the Top 15. Even that would be falling short of where this should've peaked honestly, but somewhere in the 11-15 range would make me happy at this point.
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Post by Zeebz on Jan 26, 2015 0:14:04 GMT -5
That's definitely a reassuring update. I would love to see this re-enter and at least manage a top 15 peak, as Indulge previously stated. If it does re-enter, though, I want to see it last a while. It would be disappointing to see it drop out (again) so soon.
Anyways, I still love this as much as I did when I first heard it and I'm glad it's had some success, even if it's not as much as I had hoped.
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Post by Daryl the Beryl on Jan 26, 2015 21:49:13 GMT -5
Re-enters BB at #16
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Post by sabre14 on Jan 26, 2015 21:56:34 GMT -5
No surprise unfortunately. I still think this wont much last too much longer and I don't foresee a top 10 peak but I do believe the folks at Billboard jumped the gun sending this song to recurrent land last week. Valory just won't let this go and the way this song has performed the past couple weeks is proof.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2015 22:31:48 GMT -5
I do believe the folks at Billboard jumped the gun sending this song to recurrent land last week. I don't think that they necessarily jumped the gun -- they have their recurrent rules for a reason (and I like their recurrent rules better than MB's rules, because BB's allow older songs to go recurrent much quicker), and RaeLynn met the "requirement" to go recurrent. But to me it doesn't really matter. I actually don't think it makes Billboard look silly or anything like that either. Their charts are supposed to represent the most popular songs at radio, and even though GMG has been largely stagnant over the last several weeks, it's still deserving (based on its total airplay) of a spot in the top 20. Also, since it was able to re-enter higher than its previous peak position (which was #18), and since Valory was obviously still working it to radio, it made a lot of sense for Billboard to re-enter it at #16.
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Post by sabre14 on Jan 26, 2015 22:39:32 GMT -5
I do believe the folks at Billboard jumped the gun sending this song to recurrent land last week. I don't think that they necessarily jumped the gun -- they have their recurrent rules for a reason (and I like their recurrent rules better than MB's rules, because BB's allow older songs to go recurrent much quicker), and RaeLynn met the "requirement" to go recurrent. But to me it doesn't really matter. I actually don't think it makes Billboard look silly or anything like that either. Their charts are supposed to represent the most popular songs at radio, and even though GMG has been largely stagnant over the last several weeks, it's still deserving (based on its total airplay) of a spot in the top 20. Also, since it was able to re-enter higher than its previous peak position (which was #18), and since Valory was obviously still working it to radio, it made a lot of sense for Billboard to re-enter it at #16. I probably think they jumped the gun since I'm so used to Billboard allowing songs to re-enter their chart. I completely agree with someguy - if you have recurrent rule guidelines, then stick to them and live with your decision. "Almost Home" and "Carolina" scenarios don't happen every year. It definitely makes sense "numbers" wise to re-enter this but if they didn't send it recurrent they wouldn't look silly, and I do think it doesn't look good to allow re-entry no matter what song it is. It is a damned if you do, damned if you don't thing here with RaeLynn but I thought they give it one more week last week before deciding on letting it go from the chart. Billboard has rules but sometimes they don't follow through with them.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2015 22:48:18 GMT -5
It definitely makes sense "numbers" wise to re-enter this but if they didn't send it recurrent they wouldn't look silly, and I do think it doesn't look good to allow re-entry no matter what song it is. It is a damned if you do, damned if you don't thing here with RaeLynn but I thought they give it one more week last week before deciding on letting it go from the chart. Billboard has rules but sometimes they don't follow through with them. See, I disagree with this. Billboard isn't radio. Their chart reflects radio airplay, but they are not radio themselves. They have screwed up with their rules before, but I don't see how you can say that they didn't follow through with their rules here. They clearly did. RaeLynn was eligible to go recurrent last week, so they took her off. They followed their rule. And since there is no rule that says songs can't re-enter, it's not as if Billboard went back on their rule this week. It seems to me that you would rather have them change their rule, but I'm glad they haven't, because 98% of the time, when an older (21+ weeks) song loses more than 500k in a week, it's done. And so I like that Billboard doesn't waste any time in sending those old songs recurrent.
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Post by sabre14 on Jan 26, 2015 23:10:01 GMT -5
It definitely makes sense "numbers" wise to re-enter this but if they didn't send it recurrent they wouldn't look silly, and I do think it doesn't look good to allow re-entry no matter what song it is. It is a damned if you do, damned if you don't thing here with RaeLynn but I thought they give it one more week last week before deciding on letting it go from the chart. Billboard has rules but sometimes they don't follow through with them. See, I disagree with this. Billboard isn't radio. Their chart reflects radio airplay, but they are not radio themselves. They have screwed up with their rules before, but I don't see how you can say that they didn't follow through with their rules here. They clearly did. RaeLynn was eligible to go recurrent last week, so they took her off. They followed their rule. And since there is no rule that says songs can't re-enter, it's not as if Billboard went back on their rule this week. It seems to me that you would rather have them change their rule, but I'm glad they haven't, because 98% of the time, when an older (21+ weeks) song loses more than 500k in a week, it's done. And so I like that Billboard doesn't waste any time in sending those old songs recurrent. Whoa, where did I say they didn't follow through with their rules? I think you misinterpreted me here. I think that if Billboard has a recurrent rule then stick to it. I love when older songs go away and don't clog up space. I don't think me saying that RaeLynn should have stayed on another week (even though the rules state it was indeed available to go recurrent) makes me want all songs that are on the bubble to stay. "God Made Girls" never in 2015 showed signs it was about to free fall and collapse. I really just don't like songs re-entering the chart is all and I think that if they sent this song recurrent then don't bring it back if gains 300k in audience. Perhaps I would like that part of the rule changed - "don't allow re-entry the following week unless it provides a very promising increase". I love songs being sent recurrent if an opportunity calls for it, but I just think it was pretty evident that this song was not going away and yes, perhaps Billboard knew in the back of their mind they were gonna get bit in the butt by this circumstance.
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Post by someguy on Jan 26, 2015 23:12:59 GMT -5
I'd actually rather them not have recurrent rules, but since they do, I don't think that there should be a back and forth thing, where songs can come and go. If a song goes recurrent, then to me, its run is finished on the charts, at least with the way things are now. I don't like that a small gain one week after leaving the chart gets it right back on. If "Shotgun Rider" gains a little audience next week, I don't want to see it back on, and I doubt that it would be allowed to return.
Anyway, what I like and what I don't doesn't matter at all to Billboard and their rule maker/enforcers, but this is a situation that I really don't like.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2015 23:17:53 GMT -5
Whoa, where did I say they didn't follow through with their rules? I think you misinterpreted me here. I think that if Billboard has a recurrent rule then stick to it. This was your last post: It is a damned if you do, damned if you don't thing here with RaeLynn but I thought they give it one more week last week before deciding on letting it go from the chart. Billboard has rules but sometimes they don't follow through with them.So I think it would have been better to say "Billboard should stick to their decisions". The way it was worded, "Billboard has rules but sometimes they don't follow through with them", implies that 'them' = 'rules'. It made it seem to me that you thought Billboard didn't follow their rules here, when clearly they did. But I see what you meant now. And I can understand an argument being made for Billboard to stick with their decision -- I said that in a recent post as well, that if I were Billboard I would have waited a few weeks to see if RaeLynn could sustain her tiny bit of momentum. Then again, I don't really have a problem with songs re-entering the chart, especially if the chart conditions allow that song to re-enter at a new peak position. My opinion on that is irrelevant as well, but again, Billboard isn't radio, so I think that, as long as their chart reflects current conditions on radio, then it is a "correct" chart.
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Post by sabre14 on Jan 26, 2015 23:21:35 GMT -5
^ Yeah sorry about that. They don't sometimes follow through with their rules but in most cases they do and perhaps I thought you meant I didn't think they followed through with their rules, as in it happens quite frequently. :)
Maybe if songs weren't allowed re-entry whatsoever once they are sent recurrent, perhaps labels would be more inclined to throw in the towel at that point.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2015 23:28:07 GMT -5
Maybe if songs weren't allowed re-entry whatsoever once they are sent recurrent, perhaps labels would be more inclined to throw in the towel at that point. I hate to go on and on with this, since we're on the same page now (lol), but I don't want to see the above happen because I don't think Billboard should have the "power" to dictate what the labels do (in other words, when the label starts or stops promoting a song). What I think Billboard should do is clear up the "gray area" surrounding their grace week rule. For example, make it so that a song that loses 999k or less gets an automatic grace week, but if it loses 1 million or more then it goes recurrent. If such a rule were in place, then RaeLynn would have never gone recurrent, and neither would have Craig Morgan with "Home" or Parmalee with "Carolina".
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Post by someguy on Jan 26, 2015 23:32:13 GMT -5
Something like a 1 million cutoff would work, but I'd also want the stipulation that once something goes recurrent, it can't come back. But the 1 million threshold would be a fair compromise, because chances are if a song loses that much airplay, it really is done.
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Post by Zazie on Jan 27, 2015 13:56:39 GMT -5
I don't think BB should adopt a grace-week policy based on lost audience. They would always give a grace week to any low-ranking song that was a candidate, since low-ranking songs that deserve serious consideration for a grace week never lose a million in one week. Maybe based on a percentage of audience lost?
Switching topics, I don't mind their being subjective about their decisions. What I mind is BB pulling a song and then re-entering it the very next week. I think they should wait 2-3 weeks before re-entering a song, by rule, and because of that rule I think they'd be a lot more careful about pulling a song rather than giving it a grace week in the first place.
Billboard goes back to 1944 with its country chart, so it won't lose its credibility because of what it does or doesn't do with any one song, such as RaeLynn's. Still, GMG's down 200k and 13 spins overnight on MB to start the relevant 7-day period for BB, and I know it's only 1 day but I wince when I think about the song going recurrent again as early as next week.
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Post by Daryl the Beryl on Feb 2, 2015 21:28:32 GMT -5
Goes recurrent again on Billboard...
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Post by .indulgecountry on Feb 2, 2015 21:36:13 GMT -5
RIP "God Made Girls." You did well, but should've done better. :'(
I'm glad this at least made it to #16. Now I just really hope her follow-up doesn't suffer the same fate of every second single by a new female artist lately.
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Post by someguy on Feb 2, 2015 21:44:13 GMT -5
Goes recurrent again on Billboard... I wonder where she'll re-enter next week....
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Post by sabre14 on Feb 2, 2015 21:46:26 GMT -5
Goes recurrent again on Billboard... I wonder where she'll re-enter next week.... Let's not make this situation any worse. I think "God Made Girls" is a recurrent for good.
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Post by dm2081 on Feb 2, 2015 21:58:29 GMT -5
I think it would be quite humorous if it were to post a decent gain this week and Billboard would have no choice but to re-enter it again. It could be the first chart run ever to alternate weeks on and off until peaking at #1.
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Post by rsmatto on Feb 2, 2015 22:00:03 GMT -5
Look for her new single to be announced soon. God Made Girls was a nice start. The fact that it's soon to be Gold only proves there's a market for her. I DO imagine she'd have gone Platinum had it managed to stay on through Top 5.
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Post by dm2081 on Feb 2, 2015 22:04:45 GMT -5
The fact that it's soon to be Gold only proves there's a market for her. I DO imagine she'd have gone Platinum had it managed to stay on through Top 5. That's a good point actually. Miranda first broke out with Kerosene, and I think that peaked around a similar position on Billboard as well, but it sold really well and had a really popular video. Now I'm not by any means saying RaeLynn is the next Miranda, but this could be the beginning of something, who knows.
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Post by sabre14 on Feb 2, 2015 22:08:51 GMT -5
The fact that it's soon to be Gold only proves there's a market for her. I DO imagine she'd have gone Platinum had it managed to stay on through Top 5. That's a good point actually. Miranda first broke out with Kerosene, and I think that peaked around a similar position on Billboard as well, but it sold really well and had a really popular video. Now I'm not by any means saying RaeLynn is the next Miranda, but this could be the beginning of something, who knows. Though "Kerosene" helped Miranda with her popularity, her first two singles were "Me And Charlie Talking" and "Bring Me Down" in 2005. The former almost went top 20 on R&R. People knew of her by the time "Kerosene" was released. Though digital sales weren't nearly the indicator of success back then like they are now.
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Post by rsmatto on Feb 2, 2015 22:14:08 GMT -5
That's a good point actually. Miranda first broke out with Kerosene, and I think that peaked around a similar position on Billboard as well, but it sold really well and had a really popular video. Now I'm not by any means saying RaeLynn is the next Miranda, but this could be the beginning of something, who knows. Though "Kerosene" helped Miranda with her popularity, her first two singles were "Me And Charlie Talking" and "Bring Me Down" in 2005. The former almost went top 20 on R&R. People knew of her by the time "Kerosene" was released. Though digital sales weren't nearly the indicator of success back then like they are now. But the album went Gold rather quickly. The career trajectory could be very similar. Like Miranda, RaeLynn is very genuine. I even got a personalized card from her thanking me for taking the time to see her showcase last summer (where I got the EP radio now has that eventually was released, but only got the extra track that's likely her next single).
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Post by sabre14 on Feb 2, 2015 22:15:46 GMT -5
Though "Kerosene" helped Miranda with her popularity, her first two singles were "Me And Charlie Talking" and "Bring Me Down" in 2005. The former almost went top 20 on R&R. People knew of her by the time "Kerosene" was released. Though digital sales weren't nearly the indicator of success back then like they are now. But the album went Gold rather quickly. The career trajectory could be very similar. Like Miranda, RaeLynn is very genuine. I even got a personalized card from her thanking me for taking the time to see her showcase last summer (where I got the EP radio now has that eventually was released, but only got the extra track that's likely her next single). I never said Miranda's path wasn't similar to RaeLynn. I was just pointing out Miranda's first two singles and the landscape of digital sales back in 2005. For the record, I do see a similarity.
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