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Post by Lahey's Lucky Star on Sept 22, 2014 10:15:34 GMT -5
Pop: 50 50 VAMPS Somebody To You f/Demi Lovato 389 360 29 0.858
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tekkenguy
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Post by tekkenguy on Sept 22, 2014 23:43:55 GMT -5
The big problem is the song is selling more or less the same that Happy little pill (well is selling right now, because Troye Sivan's song sold a lot more in total) a song that didn't went for adds, had any promo or airplay. The song is catchy, but the market is overcrowded of teen singers right now, and the song is teen pop 100% without nothing new or special. Without that extra promo, they probably will stay on the top 50 only a couple of weeks (if they are lucky). To be fair, even the teen bands that are selling a lot of albums have big problems to score a hit right now. 5SOS is selling a good amount of albums, but i doubt they will be able to score a top 10 with this album. The Vamps are doing well in Uk, all their singles were top 5, but they waited to much to start their careers in the USA. The problem with the Vamps is that there's only one or two big teen phenomena at a time. Aside from Bieber, 1D, and 5SOS, teen idols and boy bands have had little success stateside this decade, and I don't think the Vamps will be able to build a big enough fan base here to change that. They're not going to be any bigger than Austin Mahone is here.
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Post by jjose712 on Sept 23, 2014 8:32:09 GMT -5
The big problem is the song is selling more or less the same that Happy little pill (well is selling right now, because Troye Sivan's song sold a lot more in total) a song that didn't went for adds, had any promo or airplay. The song is catchy, but the market is overcrowded of teen singers right now, and the song is teen pop 100% without nothing new or special. Without that extra promo, they probably will stay on the top 50 only a couple of weeks (if they are lucky). To be fair, even the teen bands that are selling a lot of albums have big problems to score a hit right now. 5SOS is selling a good amount of albums, but i doubt they will be able to score a top 10 with this album. The Vamps are doing well in Uk, all their singles were top 5, but they waited to much to start their careers in the USA. The problem with the Vamps is that there's only one or two big teen phenomena at a time. Aside from Bieber, 1D, and 5SOS, teen idols and boy bands have had little success stateside this decade, and I don't think the Vamps will be able to build a big enough fan base here to change that. They're not going to be any bigger than Austin Mahone is here. But they are very far from being on Austin Mahone league right now. And even agreeing with you, one thing is being big (i am very curious at how Bieber himself will be received in his return) a niche that right now One Direction and 5SOS are occupying, and other very different not being able to score a hit. Rixton or The wanted were able to score a hit even without being that big (in fact they were able to do it meanwhile 5SOS with great album sales is till now unable to do it). An even being big, generally teen acts had sudden stops on popularity, one moment they are very popular the next they flop big time, unless they are able to do the transition to adult artist wich is not easy.
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Post by Lahey's Lucky Star on Sept 23, 2014 9:39:19 GMT -5
Pop: 50 50 VAMPS Somebody To You f/Demi Lovato 394 360 34 0.872
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Post by tekkenguy on Sept 23, 2014 20:39:06 GMT -5
The problem with the Vamps is that there's only one or two big teen phenomena at a time. Aside from Bieber, 1D, and 5SOS, teen idols and boy bands have had little success stateside this decade, and I don't think the Vamps will be able to build a big enough fan base here to change that. They're not going to be any bigger than Austin Mahone is here. But they are very far from being on Austin Mahone league right now. And even agreeing with you, one thing is being big (i am very curious at how Bieber himself will be received in his return) a niche that right now One Direction and 5SOS are occupying, and other very different not being able to score a hit. Rixton or The wanted were able to score a hit even without being that big (in fact they were able to do it meanwhile 5SOS with great album sales is till now unable to do it). An even being big, generally teen acts had sudden stops on popularity, one moment they are very popular the next they flop big time, unless they are able to do the transition to adult artist wich is not easy. "Glad You Came" and "Me and My Broken Heart" were fluke hits by young British pop bands. This is why the media marketed them as "boy bands" whose success relied on the support of teenage girls, but have little to no fan following in America. When radio gave up on The Wanted after "Chasing The Sun," they had nothing to fall back on and crashed. If "Wait On Me" bombs, Rixton will pretty much be history as well. It's going to be very hard for a teen idol/boy band other than "the chosen ones" to make its way atop the charts. Right now, The Vamps are in the same "moderately popular teen idol with no radio hits" category as Austin Mahone, and that is unlikely to change anytime soon.
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Post by jjose712 on Sept 24, 2014 8:53:51 GMT -5
Yes, you are right, but even during BSB and N'sync domination, and both groups dominated the charts way more than any teen act in recent years, other boybands get their time at the sun with one or two singles going high on the charts.
Right now The Vamps didn't have anything of that, not even a medium hit. For a group that are able to play instruments, getting a couple of successes on the USA could be great even if album sales or overall fan following wasn't that great, because it will pave the path if they found a more adult sound.
No matter how big you are as teen act, after a couple of albums you are going to collapse if you don't transition to a wider audience sound. Bieber did it, he didn't sell that much albums but his radio presence was bigger and he had enough success to make the next step in his career (if he personal behaviour doesn't end with his career first).
The Vamps have a good career in the UK, and some hits on other european countries, so it's not that problematic if they fail in the first attempt to have a hit in the USA (in fact the Wanted failed too with All time low and that didn't prevent them to have success with Glad you came).
The problem with boybands is most of them are totally impersonal, there's practically nothing that makes them different from other boybands, and that's the reason why is so rare more than one of them having success at the same time (and of course the fact that a good percentage of fangirls seem unable to support two groups at the same time, and most of them move from one to the next one in no time).
Anyway, if them are not able to score at least a decent hit with Somebody to you, wich is a catchy song with Demi (who is doing great on radio right now) they are in a bad position to crack the USA market
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Post by tekkenguy on Sept 25, 2014 21:50:45 GMT -5
Finding an "adult" sound won't do anything to help the Vamps. The Wanted went for the "electro-pop" sound dominating CHR at the time, and it didn't save their career. If anything, it just made their downfall even worse because of the backlash against "dance-pop" at the time. This song's sound is more reminiscent of the folk-rock hits we've had recently ("Ho Hey," "Best Day of My Life", etc.) so it has a radio-friendly image.
While I do agree how there is usually only one big teen idol at a time, the cycle hasn't always been the same. 5SOS's rise to superstardom this year is not at all unlike 1D's except that it isn't leading to 1D's popularity hemorrhaging like Bieber's did. Many people were predicting a repeat of what happened in 2012, but instead we're having 5SOS blowing up but 1D remaining much bigger. We don't know how the Vamps will play out in this situation, but we can't guarantee they'll get the same boy-band-suppressed-by-1D fate that the Wanted suffered.
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Post by jjose712 on Sept 26, 2014 8:40:42 GMT -5
No, the change to an adult sound should be made while the group (or the teen singer) is popular. Justin Timberlake is a good example. If you do the transition when your popularity faded the odds are totally against you.
Unfortunately that's quite difficult to do, N'Sync last album (wich made it easier to JT in his solo career) had a different sound that their previous ones. What makes things more difficult is that labels had a tendency to not take risks with their teen artist (and probably with the adults), if it sells don't change it. The problem, and this could happen no matter how big is the artist, is sooner or later people get tired of you offering always the same, so when the changes are introduced generally it's too late.
I think 5SOS didn't bleed OD popularity because both groups are highly associated, so it's cool being fan of the two at the same time (wich is something that is not common). And even both being boybands they are different enough to coexist.
Bieber fall wasn't totally related to OD either, his last album was his transition to a more adult sound, and yes, the album sold less, but he even had more radio success than before, so the album did the work. Unfortunately he started to do what a lot of teen stars do when they grow, act like a douche and sabotage his own career. If a teenage star begins his/her career talking about his/her virginity you will get a bunch of scandals in five years guarantied.
Anyway, OD as big as they are, can collapse at any time. If a first single is bad recieved, they start to act in a Bieber way (their PR control them really tight) or simply the people move on on the next best thing, they could be something of the past on no time. That's the importance to go with a more adult sound. If you sell less is totally expected, but if you are successful enough your career lifespan will increase notably.
In the Vamps case, they need a decent hit first. Without getting at least a top 20 hit on pop radio is very difficult to build anything. Of course if you are able to score a bunch of medium hits a la Austin Mahone, you can think on the long time. He is buying time to score it big, as long as he is profitable to the record company he will get more oportunities, as long as the albums sell enough
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Post by jjose712 on Oct 28, 2014 5:59:28 GMT -5
Curious, i didn't remember this song on the top 100 of itunes (maybe it was when it was released), but Can we dance made the top 100 without any problem. Maybe featuring a known singer didn't work but a song the did well in the UK (well all their songs did well in the UK) do, who knows
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