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Post by H-Town Vicious on May 21, 2014 2:23:34 GMT -5
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Post by B-Boy on May 21, 2014 11:36:30 GMT -5
Oh lord. I don't think she is. Judging from her flow, she's heavily influenced by Southern rappers.
As for the accent change, she reminds me of several British artists whose accents would change when they start singing/rapping.
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Post by Wave. on May 21, 2014 11:45:09 GMT -5
Oh my. Are you billboardfan's backup? Jw.
Anyway, no way at the culture vulture question. She's def a Down South Australian Chick, which I love. I can believe her over Kreayshawn though. No shade intended.
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Post by Spidey on May 21, 2014 12:23:14 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2014 12:44:23 GMT -5
The westernized (key word) notion of cultural appropriation is more abused than a Brooklyn bottom's asshole. The use of it, anyway. What exactly is she appropriating? She's influenced by a particular style of music and it shows. How is she "fake" for that?
I've seen people call her all sorts of s**t that doesn't even apply to her (the white social saviors like to refer to her as racist, which is the highest form of bulls**t), but I don't even get this argument really. Miley got a lot of flack for cultural appropriation as well, and I can see and have seen valid arguments for her case whether I agree or not; but Iggy? Nah. That's a case of social justice Sallys trying to start s**t.
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Post by Fat Ass Kelly Price on May 21, 2014 13:06:00 GMT -5
This is the worst example of anything. Think about how many male and female rappers sound markedly more "rugged" and "urban" when rapping as opposed to speaking. Lil Kim is the fist name that comes to my mind. Furthermore, she's never hidden her natural Aussie accent.
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Post by coast on May 21, 2014 13:09:38 GMT -5
I have honestly never listened to her before. Can someone point me to a good song of hers?
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Post by Linnethia Monique on May 21, 2014 13:36:41 GMT -5
I have honestly never listened to her before. Can someone point me to a good song of hers?
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2014 15:43:51 GMT -5
Highest form of bullshit to refer to her as a racist when she called herself a slave master while stepping in as an outsider to a genre that was birthed from black oppression? I'm not saying she's in the KKK but to act like there is NO basis for people getting upset about her is ridiculous.
I'm not going to make some swooping generalization about her but she is definitely suspect and people who defend her so passionately seem blinded by the blonde hair and fat ass.
At the end of the day tho, she like Macklemore before her, is an abysmal rapper who is greatly benefiting from being a commodity.
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2014 16:18:06 GMT -5
Highest form of bulls**t to refer to her as a racist when she called herself a slave master while stepping in as an outsider to a genre that was birthed from black oppression? I'm not saying she's in the KKK but to act like there is NO basis for people getting upset about her is ridiculous. I never said there was no basis for people getting upset about her. Not absolutely, anyway. All I said was I haven't seen an argument that really made much sense regarding what is upsetting yet, but that only applies to me. As for the line you're referencing, she's explained herself already. It was in reference to a Kendrick Lamar lyric turned metaphor. Of course you may not agree that it was particularly tasteful, but does that make her a racist? I just don't like that people throw around terms like "problematic" and "racist" so flippantly in an argument in which it's apparently meant to be taken seriously. Not because it may or may not apply to X, but because it deafens the term when it's thrown around so loosely, especially when it doesn't pertain to the argument. The OP clearly states that they feel it's an issue of cultural appropriation, then turns around and starts talking about her dialect? It's just silly. And that's more or less what I'm saying. In regards to Iggy, I see a lot of that without anyone really saying why. |
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2014 16:40:06 GMT -5
Her apology, and entire attitude regarding that controversy, seemed much more focused on deflecting attention away from the situation than actually realizing what was wrong. Her saying it was a "tacky and tasteless" line doesn't give me a sense that she understands how offensive it was, and how much it emphasized the fact that she was already treading on thin ice by entering a world where she has "outsider" status. That line, for a lot of people, perfectly represented giving white people in hip hop a inch and them taking a mile.
I don't know if Iggy is a racist. Those old tweets of hers, that line, the Bollywood dress up and her flanking herself with WOC in her early videos have raised suspicions with me but is she an out and out racist? Probably not. But that doesn't mean that all of those things are somehow OK because she doesn't actively hate black people or other POC. I can kind of agree that people fling around buzz words like "racism" instead of discussing more nuanced aspects of the issue but, imo, that comes from the fact that these issues get brushed off and ignored unless they are backed by big, overarching words to get people to listen. Is this an issue in and of itself? Yes probably, but I don't get how you can be more upset by someone calling Iggy racist than by the reasons she's getting called out for.
Like I said with regards to Macklemore after he sweeped at the Grammys, white rappers are always going to make me raise an eyebrow because rap is a cultural form that was created by and for black people experiencing hardship and oppression. Especially since Iggy, regardless of what you think of her talent, is most definitely prospering from white privilege in the music industry and had she looked like Dominique Young Unique or Katie Got Bandz, she would not be bubbling above the blogosphere.
Iggy is definitely more genuine than Miley since she's been surrounded by this culture for at least the past 7 or 8 years but there are still boundaries that she should be more aware of that she continues to ignore and disregard.
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Post by Mic Technique on May 21, 2014 16:49:17 GMT -5
Similar criticism could be lodged at someone like Drake, who raps a lot different than he talks. But he's a male rapper so, duh, he's above the same criticism. What I want to know, though, is what a culture vulture is in 2014, how it harms people, and how one avoids it? Let's stop simplifying matters you're passionate about and handle that first. At the end of the day tho, she like Macklemore before her, is an abysmal rapper who is greatly benefiting from being a commodity. Hontie, what's goin' on? She exists in a market of commodities. Every thread on this forum is dedicated to a commodity. Go read about Marx for a better understanding. (Actually, don't!) |
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2014 17:18:52 GMT -5
Her apology, and entire attitude regarding that controversy, seemed much more focused on deflecting attention away from the situation than actually realizing what was wrong. Her saying it was a "tacky and tasteless" line doesn't give me a sense that she understands how offensive it was, and how much it emphasized the fact that she was already treading on thin ice by entering a world where she has "outsider" status. That line, for a lot of people, perfectly represented giving white people in hip hop a inch and them taking a mile. I don't know if Iggy is a racist. Those old tweets of hers, that line, the Bollywood dress up and her flanking herself with WOC in her early videos have raised suspicions with me but is she an out and out racist? Probably not. But that doesn't mean that all of those things are somehow OK because she doesn't actively hate black people or other POC. I can kind of agree that people fling around buzz words like "racism" instead of discussing more nuanced aspects of the issue but, imo, that comes from the fact that these issues get brushed off and ignored unless they are backed by big, overarching words to get people to listen. Is this an issue in and of itself? Yes probably, but I don't get how you can be more upset by someone calling Iggy racist than by the reasons she's getting called out for. I dunno, a lot of this seems like speculation more than anything. Why I'm upset about people throwing around "racist" and the associated terminology so flippantly is, as I said, because it's a very serious topic. If it gets tossed around so frivolously, it begins to lose its meaning and ultimately becomes less serious. Additionally, people continue to make these claims when they themselves are uninformed. If people were making informed arguments, that would be one thing; but many are not (case and point, this thread). I guess I'm upset about how little people are willing to educate themselves, and yeah, I do take more of an issue with that than whether or not Iggy Azalea may or may not be racist. |
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2014 20:14:04 GMT -5
I don't know enough about Iggy's past, her upbringing or her experiences to draw any conclusions. All I know is she is misguided for sure in that now famous "slave master" line and her rap/music is mediocre at best. Bottom line I don't want to know nada about her based on her music.
I started a thread on Miley calling her "fake" because I knew of her background and there was enough of her on RECORD to know where stance on hip-hop was up until she leaned that way. I know Miley isn't racist though but she is clearly fake in this regard.
Iggy isn't going to be around long enough to get invested and do background work on, anyways.
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2014 20:18:42 GMT -5
I think everyone is always quick to reach a yes or no a black or white answer that the grey area and all other variables get missed in discussions like this.
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Post by H-Town Vicious on May 21, 2014 21:35:05 GMT -5
Highest form of bulls**t to refer to her as a racist when she called herself a slave master while stepping in as an outsider to a genre that was birthed from black oppression? I'm not saying she's in the KKK but to act like there is NO basis for people getting upset about her is ridiculous. I'm not going to make some swooping generalization about her but she is definitely suspect and people who defend her so passionately seem blinded by the blonde hair and fat ass. At the end of the day tho, she like Macklemore before her, is an abysmal rapper who is greatly benefiting from being a commodity. She is a phony to me. She sounds like she hails from the inner city hoods but talks like a Valley Girl. Her whole persona is false and reeks of trying to hard. I stand by what I said. She will never experience the lifestyle she tries so hard to emulate. It's disgusting. |
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Post by H-Town Vicious on May 21, 2014 21:38:50 GMT -5
Similar criticism could be lodged at someone like Drake, who raps a lot different than he talks. But he's a male rapper so, duh, he's above the same criticism. What I want to know, though, is what a culture vulture is in 2014, how it harms people, and how one avoids it? Let's stop simplifying matters you're passionate about and handle that first. At the end of the day tho, she like Macklemore before her, is an abysmal rapper who is greatly benefiting from being a commodity. Hontie, what's goin' on? She exists in a market of commodities. Every thread on this forum is dedicated to a commodity. Go read about Marx for a better understanding. (Actually, don't!) You're right in that Drake emulates a voice that is unlike of his own. It has nothing to do with him being a male though. He is bi racial and looks black. Iggy is a white woman copying black culture and it makes me feel some type of way. Her little slip up on Dancing with the Stars reaffirmed it for me. I dont have a problem with her rapping but her not being herself and her little slave master line and those tweets makes me side eye her. Hopefully she'll be on out the door soon enough. She has horrible rhymes and Fancy is only a hit because of the catchy hook. |
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Post by H-Town Vicious on May 21, 2014 21:39:38 GMT -5
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Post by Wave. on May 22, 2014 0:24:03 GMT -5
Crying rn. --------------- Man "culture vulture", or not, this girl is taking off and people will just have to deal. Simple as that. I don't need yall. |
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Post by iggyazealiastan on May 23, 2014 10:57:22 GMT -5
Not surprising that just as Iggy reaches #1 on the charts, the pressed vultures comes out of hiding to try to drag her down to their faves' level. Queen Iggy remains unbothered.  |
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Post by Linnethia Monique on May 23, 2014 11:17:33 GMT -5
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Post by Live Your Life on May 27, 2014 9:19:56 GMT -5
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Post by Linnethia Monique on May 27, 2014 9:35:42 GMT -5
Take back what music b!tch?!
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Post by Oprah on May 27, 2014 9:39:03 GMT -5
I really don't care as long as she keeps making anthems I can pop my pussy too.
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Post by Wave. on May 27, 2014 10:01:13 GMT -5
Just like Monie Love can rap like shes from NY, but shes from London. Oh, sometimes K. can be real ignorant. |
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2014 11:16:47 GMT -5
who the fuck is K Michelle? anyway, gtomaro37 thoughts? |
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Post by H-Town Vicious on May 27, 2014 12:30:52 GMT -5
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Post by H-Town Vicious on May 27, 2014 12:32:23 GMT -5
Not surprising that just as Iggy reaches #1 on the charts, the pressed vultures comes out of hiding to try to drag her down to their faves' level. Queen Iggy remains unbothered. Lmao. Your Queen is the vulture. And Iggy could never be on my "faves" level. I am just stating my opinion which is that she is using the black culture for monetary gain. She is not what she speaks. |
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Post by H-Town Vicious on May 27, 2014 12:33:18 GMT -5
Just like Monie Love can rap like shes from NY, but shes from London. Oh, sometimes K. can be real ignorant. Unless K is a Monie Love stan that argument is pretty pointless. It is a valid question. Why does this Australian woman need to mimic African American vernacular when she raps? Why cant she rap in her normal speaking voice? |
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