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Post by Kentucky25 on Oct 9, 2014 13:53:38 GMT -5
While I'm kind of indifferent to this song, I do hope it does well, because I think Jerrod is one of the last remaining "artists" left in popular Country music. He just does things his own way and while I really don't like a lot of his material, I respect that he has his own weird kind of artistry he brings to the genre. In a day and age, where cookie-cutter is a more accurate description for most artists, it's nice to see someone like him...Going off that thought, I do really like the music video, it's very well done. The lightning effects and the scene there is four Jerrod's singing on-screen is cool, just wish the song wasn't so bland to me.
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Post by Zazie on Oct 9, 2014 14:29:17 GMT -5
I agree with the comments above, and I'm still hoping he's got a longer run in him. Who knows, if he adds 2 stations here and 3 stations there, and maybe cracks the MB top 40 and earns Bob K countdown spins, he might get enough of a boost to crack the Billboard top 40. And after the sky (or at least the top 30) becomes possible, not that I'm confident that will happen.
Good artist, bad run. It would have been nice to see Niemann go in a different direction after his two top 5 songs from the Judge Jerrod album. So many good possibilities, and instead....
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Post by sabre14 on Oct 9, 2014 14:51:15 GMT -5
I agree with the comments above, and I'm still hoping he's got a longer run in him. Who knows, if he adds 2 stations here and 3 stations there, and maybe cracks the MB top 40 and earns Bob K countdown spins, he might get enough of a boost to crack the Billboard top 40. And after the sky (or at least the top 30) becomes possible, not that I'm confident that will happen. Good artist, bad run. It would have been nice to see Niemann go in a different direction after his two top 5 songs from the Judge Jerrod album. So many good possibilities, and instead.... This album from Jerrod was so disheartening. I liked both "Lover, Lover" and "What Do You Want". Then his singles from Free The Music under performed with "Shinin' On Me" and "Only God Could Love You More". Perhaps that's the reason we got "Drink To That All Night", even though I thought that one might have been too polarizing which never happened as it went on to become one of the biggest singles of 2014. Like you I still respected Jerrod as an artist and thought that he could still be an artist I could root for because his music wasn't the usual thing that Nashville was pumping out. But all of that good will I had left, all of that momentum garnered by his horrid lead single was quickly evaporated in the blink of an eye the second that the "Gonna ride that donkey, donkey" line played on the airwaves. Jerrod still has good tracks on this album but the direction he and his label have gone with the singles lost me. I do wish for "Buzz Back Girl" to succeed since I fear Jerrod could lose a connection with mainstream radio. But unfortunately a top 30 peak is a lot to expect for this single.
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Post by tim on Oct 15, 2014 23:48:10 GMT -5
I don't quite understand the label releasing a video for this...it's too little too late. This song is basically just going to continue hanging around the bottom of the chart until it rides out its time. The label also continues to put up ads for this in both the daily and weekly country aircheck emails/newsletters. They just killed any momentum with the mess that was "Donkey" and probably ko'd any that was left in this era. Time to probably rethink their strategy and direction about how to salvage this album.
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Post by sabre14 on Oct 16, 2014 0:01:05 GMT -5
I don't quite understand the label releasing a video for this...it's too little too late. This song is basically just going to continue hanging around the bottom of the chart until it rides out its time. The label also continues to put up ads for this in both the daily and weekly country aircheck emails/newsletters. They just killed any momentum with the mess that was "Donkey" and probably ko'd any that was left in this era. Time to probably rethink their strategy and direction about how to salvage this album.To me the label has to try and push this single as long and hard as possible. Once "Buzz Back Girl" goes recurrent (which I believe will be with a lower peak than desired) I think that will be it for singles from High Noon. Perhaps they can try one more song at radio like "Space" or "Lucky #7" but that will be pointless as Jerrod's momentum will be zilch. The only way to salvage the album is with "Buzz Back Girl". They already had a bomb and another will officially torpedo the ship.
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Post by .indulgecountry on Oct 16, 2014 15:53:22 GMT -5
There's no salvaging this album at this point, imo. It's already apparent that this single isn't going to be a big hit for him, even if it hangs around awhile and limps its way up into the Top 40.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2014 19:17:51 GMT -5
It's really too bad Jerrod had to resort to Donkey to try and score a hit(cruel twist of irony). I really wish he would go back to the sound of his first album. Lots of great tracks that made Jerrod an exciting newcomer
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Post by sabre14 on Oct 16, 2014 19:30:23 GMT -5
It's really too bad Jerrod had to resort to Donkey to try and score a hit(cruel twist of irony). I really wish he would go back to the sound of his first album. Lots of great tracks that made Jerrod an exciting newcomer It's correct to use the word resort for Jerrod's recent music but you just have it associated with the wrong song. He resorted to "Drink To That All Night" to get a hit on country radio and it worked. His label gambled and lost big time on "Donkey" and now he's unfortunately paying for it.
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Post by dm2081 on Oct 16, 2014 19:37:07 GMT -5
The problem too is the album is only been out just over half a year, so if they let this die then they risk going a while without him getting any airplay. It's hard to believe any follow up to a #1 song could flop so badly, but the decision to release Donkey was just terrible. They should have used it as a promo single only. I think it's going to be hard for Jerrod to be taken serious going forward, seeing how his past two singles were really almost anti-country. They might as well promote this song for as long as they can, because this is it for this album cycle.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2014 19:39:35 GMT -5
sabre14 you're right but still thanks to Donkey, its almost as if Jerrod never even scored a smash platinum number one. And when i meant he had to resort to it i just meant I know Jerrod is capable of so much more than DTTAN or Donkey and even Buzz Back Girl. I'm glad his career was saved by DTTAN but unless Buzz Back can do something then it doesn't even really matter
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Post by bjer127 on Oct 16, 2014 20:17:24 GMT -5
I still think Refill would have been a better single choice. It's laid back and breezy with some good harmonica fills. Overall the high noon was not that good , beside a few songs. I wish he would have taken a more lee Brice direction , career wise. He is very talented.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2014 20:39:23 GMT -5
I don't think Jerrod will have a hard time being taken seriously again. Will he get a hit again? I'm skeptical, but I don't think radio will not take him seriously as an artist. He recorded a goofy song as an album track and his label took a gamble releasing it to radio. The single may not have worked, but I'm sure radio would still play his future music if the numbers were decent, whether he releases bro-country (not likely) or stuff more in line with his first album's material. I'm not sure Jerrod will get a hit again, though, since his music hasn't really moved the needle with listeners very much at all.
I will say that "Buzz Back Girl" was a poor choice for a single after "Donkey." How do you redeem yourself with country radio after you release a song that radio despises so much it fizzles out below the top 40 in fewer than ten weeks despite following up a two-week #1? With a simple, generic, drinking/hangover song, of course. I might have gone with "Space" if I were Jerrod's label. That song probably would have returned Jerrod to the top 15. I think Arista just went with the song with the next most streams on Spotify at the time, however. This may be the best path in most cases, but after "Donkey" I think a little more discretion about what radio wanted would have been wiser.
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Post by sabre14 on Oct 16, 2014 22:48:57 GMT -5
sabre14 you're right but still thanks to Donkey, its almost as if Jerrod never even scored a smash platinum number one. And when i meant he had to resort to it i just meant I know Jerrod is capable of so much more than DTTAN or Donkey and even Buzz Back Girl. I'm glad his career was saved by DTTAN but unless Buzz Back can do something then it doesn't even really matter This is where I'm torn. I agree with you and Zazie who has brought this point up that country radio is a better place when Jerrod is a part of it. He's been known as an artist that is different but in a good way; a creative way with songs like "Only God Could Love You More" and "What Do You Want". I also respect Jerrod as a person and feel his charisma is jubilant and infectious. But I just could not root for "Drink To That All Night" - No matter how much I liked Jerrod as an artist. Am I still glad it appeared to spark his career (if only for a minute)? Sure. But I knew in the long run, it would mean that I wouldn't be able to quite take his music as serious anymore personally and "Donkey" reinforced that....really reinforced that. I do wish "Buzz Back Girl" well I guess, but that's a moot point since I don't think that it will mount to much on the charts judging by it's lackluster run thus far.
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Post by Zazie on Oct 17, 2014 13:50:11 GMT -5
The song moved 44-41 on Billboard (chart dated 10/25), but it's not doing much in the current week's worth of MB updates. Up a tiny amount -- and even tiny gains would have been enough to hit the BB top 40 next week if John King and Jana Kramer had continued to fall. But they've leveled off, and Toby's suddenly-arriving new one isn't going to help Jerrod.
I think Buzz Back has one shot left -- a decent increase (250 to 350k) in the chart week starting Sunday on MB. There will be a few songs leaving on Oct 26 and there might be room for Jerrod to slip into the MB top 40 then, which means countdown spins and therefore some exposure for Buzz on stations that haven't played this one at all.
I'm grasping at straws here. Most likely the new audiences will think the song's not all that good, just like the rest of us. But the added countdown (Bob Kingsley) audience will push Jerrod into the BB top 40 as well, and that would be the tiniest amount of momentum for Buzz.
Anyway, that's the only path I can see that still could lead this song toward a good-sized audience. Compared to Randy Houser's or Dan + Shay's number of weeks on, this song's still fairly new. But it could start sliding at any time, so this is its last good chance. Maybe.
People will be reminded that Jerrod still exists -- there's still a lot of recurrent airplay for DTTAN, and that song will be featured on the year-end countdown shows aired at holiday time. Should be year-end top 3, 4, or 5 on a lot of countdowns. If he doesn't have a climbing song to take advantage of that, it may be a long time before he sees the top 10 on the BB or MB charts.
What'd I do with that copy of Judge Jerrod? I'd better keep it handy if I want to hear Jerrod's voice.
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Post by samsager3 on Oct 17, 2014 14:15:45 GMT -5
This is really sad I liked this song and this album as a whole had decent material on it that like his last album won't see the light of day as singles. He seems to be getting one big hit with each album granted im considering shining on me to be the big hit from his second album becuase it was decent. I think he could come back with new material and hit it big,look what happened to deirks fowing bourbon in Kentucky and he rebounded nice, but it's gonna take a big time hit in order to rebound from as low as Donkey seems to have put jerrod.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2014 22:19:57 GMT -5
The song moved 44-41 on Billboard (chart dated 10/25), but it's not doing much in the current week's worth of MB updates. Up a tiny amount -- and even tiny gains would have been enough to hit the BB top 40 next week if John King and Jana Kramer had continued to fall. But they've leveled off, and Toby's suddenly-arriving new one isn't going to help Jerrod. I just took a Rate the Music survey to pick John King's new single, so I think his song will go recurrent. He needs to re-bullet on Monday or he'll get pulled, and so far this week he's down about 80k and almost 80 spins, too. Kramer is guaranteed at least one more chart week but I think her single is all but done, so that should be another +1 for Jerrod, even if it doesn't happen on Monday. I echo the sentiments here--I think Jerrod is talented and I'd like for him to have success (although I haven't been a fan of any of the singles from this album), but I don't see this song getting out of the 30's.
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Post by Zazie on Oct 21, 2014 13:43:48 GMT -5
But John King did re-bullet, thanks to a magnificent 2 spin gain that salvaged his otherwise fatal 26k loss. I do think Jerrod has a chance to make both charts' top 40s next week, assuming he can gain 200k or so during the week. On BB there will be some recurrents -- one from the top 10, Garth, maybe H Hayes though I doubt it, maybe King or Kramer; plus Jerrod could catch up to Tyler Farr. But this song's gains are so slow that it's impossible to think of it in some kind of a race. Running in molasses, maybe.
Any promotion going on for this at all?
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Post by sabre14 on Oct 21, 2014 14:54:36 GMT -5
Any promotion going on for this at all? Other than this thread, not much. :) In all seriousness, I do think that Arista is trying to have this song break for Jerrod since I would imagine this is it from High Noon, but I don't think it will amount to much in the end as a top 40 finish is what I'm predicting for "Buzz Back Girl".
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Post by Zazie on Oct 26, 2014 9:59:50 GMT -5
I haven't seen the Sunday MB update yet, but this song has gained 80+ spins in the first 6 days of the chart week. So it is 100% safe to rebullet on MB, avoiding a premature recurrency. And it was #41 on yesterday's update, which means it gets to move up into the top 40 once the recurrents (Swons, Garth, Luke) are removed from MB this evening. (I wasn't expecting Jerrod to finish ahead of Toby Keith this week, but Toby still hasn't recovered from his loss of Tuesday spins.) It should make this coming week's Billboard top 40 as well.
The MB top 40 entry means Bob Kingsley spins will be added next weekend, and the song will have a little bit of chart momentum. Is it going to make the top 30? That will require Jerrod to triple his audience -- it's hard to believe that will happen. But at least the song hasn't completely failed, which is what missing the top 40 would have looked like.
I'm not even sure the song can stay a second week in the 2 top 40's, with Band Perry, Dierks, and Toby out there, but that's a story for next week.
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Post by sabre14 on Oct 26, 2014 13:05:35 GMT -5
I haven't seen the Sunday MB update yet, but this song has gained 80+ spins in the first 6 days of the chart week. So it is 100% safe to rebullet on MB, avoiding a premature recurrency. And it was #41 on yesterday's update, which means it gets to move up into the top 40 once the recurrents (Swons, Garth, Luke) are removed from MB this evening. (I wasn't expecting Jerrod to finish ahead of Toby Keith this week, but Toby still hasn't recovered from his loss of Tuesday spins.) It should make this coming week's Billboard top 40 as well. The MB top 40 entry means Bob Kingsley spins will be added next weekend, and the song will have a little bit of chart momentum. Is it going to make the top 30? That will require Jerrod to triple his audience -- it's hard to believe that will happen. But at least the song hasn't completely failed, which is what missing the top 40 would have looked like. I'm not even sure the song can stay a second week in the 2 top 40's, with Band Perry, Dierks, and Toby out there, but that's a story for next week. Garth won't go recurrent Zazie. He barely kept his bullet on the October 13th chart issue with a 16 total point increase and a 0.04 audience increase. Anyway, Jerrod slides in at #39 this week on MB as of this evening with Luke and the Swon Brothers going recurrent. Jerrod was passed by FGL, but John King is now in free fall mode so it evened out.
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Post by Zazie on Oct 26, 2014 20:55:25 GMT -5
I haven't seen the Sunday MB update yet, but this song has gained 80+ spins in the first 6 days of the chart week. So it is 100% safe to rebullet on MB, avoiding a premature recurrency. And it was #41 on yesterday's update, which means it gets to move up into the top 40 once the recurrents (Swons, Garth, Luke) are removed from MB this evening. (I wasn't expecting Jerrod to finish ahead of Toby Keith this week, but Toby still hasn't recovered from his loss of Tuesday spins.) It should make this coming week's Billboard top 40 as well. The MB top 40 entry means Bob Kingsley spins will be added next weekend, and the song will have a little bit of chart momentum. Is it going to make the top 30? That will require Jerrod to triple his audience -- it's hard to believe that will happen. But at least the song hasn't completely failed, which is what missing the top 40 would have looked like. I'm not even sure the song can stay a second week in the 2 top 40's, with Band Perry, Dierks, and Toby out there, but that's a story for next week. Garth won't go recurrent Zazie. He barely kept his bullet on the October 13th chart issue with a 16 total point increase and a 0.04 audience increase. Anyway, Jerrod slides in at #39 this week on MB as of this evening with Luke and the Swon Brothers going recurrent. Jerrod was passed by FGL, but John King is now in free fall mode so it evened out. You're right about Garth staying on, but I don't understand it. Bullets have always been determined on MB by spins gained over a 7-day period Sunday update to Sunday update, and Garth was negative in that column all of the past three Sundays. And you are using a Monday date with your comments on the 10/13 numbers. But Garth is on the chart so I can't find fault with you. I just don't understand it. Are they using points to determine bullets now? Anyway, I'm happy about Jerrod's entering the top 40, Toby returning at 45, and Trisha coming back at 50. Looks positively 90's.
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Post by sabre14 on Oct 26, 2014 22:16:48 GMT -5
Garth won't go recurrent Zazie. He barely kept his bullet on the October 13th chart issue with a 16 total point increase and a 0.04 audience increase. Anyway, Jerrod slides in at #39 this week on MB as of this evening with Luke and the Swon Brothers going recurrent. Jerrod was passed by FGL, but John King is now in free fall mode so it evened out. You're right about Garth staying on, but I don't understand it. Bullets have always been determined on MB by spins gained over a 7-day period Sunday update to Sunday update, and Garth was negative in that column all of the past three Sundays. And you are using a Monday date with your comments on the 10/13 numbers. But Garth is on the chart so I can't find fault with you. I just don't understand it. Are they using points to determine bullets now? Anyway, I'm happy about Jerrod's entering the top 40, Toby returning at 45, and Trisha coming back at 50. Looks positively 90's. Yes I am. MB bullets are always point based. But if a song has a small decrease in points and sees an increase in spins, then it retains it's bullet. A good example of this identical situation is in the November 26th, 2012 chart issue. Lauren Elaina's "Eighteen Inches" had a loss of 12 spins. But she gained 16 points and a near identical audience increase of 0.09, so she was allowed to retain her bullet. MB can be a screwy chart to wrap your mind around but there's usually an explanation for the bullets being retained or lost.
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Post by Zazie on Oct 27, 2014 13:45:44 GMT -5
^ Thanks for the explanation. All these years and I didn't know the rule. Of course spins and points usually go up together or down together, but not always. I can't remember any times that I was surprised by an MB bullet, and your example was certainly an obscure one. So I have a good excuse for having this wrong for many years.
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Post by sabre14 on Oct 27, 2014 13:57:40 GMT -5
^ Yeah, spins are definitely a major factor in regards to the point tabulations for sure but if a song sees an increase in points, it retains its bullet. Of course like you said, spins, points and even audience usually go hand in hand with one another so there's very few wacky scenarios. This one wasn't so wacky IMO.
Garth's final week is this week though so come the evening of November 2nd, there will be no more Aristotle references on the MB chart.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2014 14:58:35 GMT -5
Found this little tidbit in the mid-week BCU to be of interest:
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Post by sabre14 on Nov 6, 2014 15:08:11 GMT -5
^ Well, I think that all but seals the fate that "Buzz Back Girl" as the final single from High Noon. That's not that big of a surprise since I thought that anyway, but it's nice to see that Jerrod and Arista are ready to recover after the poor performance of what followed "Drink To That All Night". I still think "Buzz Back Girl" won't be doing much beyond the top 30 if anything.
I wonder if this more "traditional" music will be similar to his "I Love Women (My Momma Can't Stand)" days?
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Post by rsmatto on Nov 6, 2014 16:00:57 GMT -5
Found this little tidbit in the mid-week BCU to be of interest: He's really good at doing that and like Blake Shelton, his knowledge of traditional country music is deep. Hopefully he has success going this route.
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Post by Zazie on Nov 7, 2014 14:40:26 GMT -5
"Traditional country bent" does not necessarily go with "chart success" but I think it suits JN's talents as well as my ears. So I'm looking forward to a new release along these lines. He could still have a modest presence on radio with this new direction, with the occasional much bigger hit -- something resembling Josh Turner's level of success, maybe a bit below that.
Even the current song is straggling along but not giving up the fight -- it's reached the mid-30's and there are still quite a few songs getting ready to leave the charts. He's up about 50 spins since Monday, and he'll likely pass 2 songs and get past a recurrent, while losing a place to Lady Antebellum. So maybe a #35 finish this week on MB, maybe #34 on BB. His chart run isn't all that different from K Bush's. He's in week 17 now and if radio gives him 25+ weeks, he can climb a fair amount higher.
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Post by dm2081 on Nov 24, 2014 23:01:57 GMT -5
Looks like this could be the last week for Jerrod, as he lost quite a bit of audience. I'd expect a new single leading off a new album from him sometime in late winter or early spring.
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Post by Zazie on Nov 25, 2014 22:22:57 GMT -5
Jerrod regained his MB bullet this week, didn't he? So he'll get a minimum of 2 more weeks on that chart, and he'll still be on BB's chart this coming Monday because he hasn't yet had 2 weeks in a row bulletless. So I'm not giving up hope yet, but at the same time I have lost hope that this song can fight its way into the top 30 on either chart. So what's the use of continuing this? If he rallies, does that matter? If he makes it til Christmas, does that matter? I'd say no, unless the song can get enough airplay to make it to the top 30.
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