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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2015 21:04:27 GMT -5
At some point this ceases to be funny anymore. I mean, this is fairly basic stuff and even though they've goofed a few things lately, this one's a big goof. This song refuses to go away -- it's like a lingering head cold. I emailed Tom Roland and asked him why the song didn't go recurrent. He got back to me already and said that others had already emailed him too, lol. He forwarded the questions on to Billboard's "chart department". I'd really like to see Billboard publish a correction here, because this is absolutely a mistake. I don't necessarily expect them to re-issue the BCU, but it'd be great if they correct it when their website updates, and also on Wednesday when the BDS chart updates ( here).
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Post by Kanenrá:ke on Jul 27, 2015 21:04:34 GMT -5
LOL. Yeah, this is a major goof on Billboard's part. Canaan finished #10 in audience (1 million ahead of Thomas Rhett), but he finished #12 in spins...400 behind Rhett, and a few dozen behind Chris Janson. Someone needs to tweet Tom Roland and ask why this didn't go recurrent. If a song falls out of the top 10 in audience OR spins, it goes recurrent. Simple as that. Billboard should publish a correction... Just emailed Tom actually, I'm hoping he responds or fixes the chart.
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Post by sabre14 on Jul 27, 2015 21:28:31 GMT -5
I wouldn't expect a re-issue of the published chart issue either but hopefully this is corrected. It's still very embarrassing though and having to move songs #11 downward, up one notch is not a correction you want a nationally published radio airplay chary doing. I'm glad Tom got back to you guys ( jhomes87, Kanenrá:ke) so quickly. Hopefully this will be rectified come mid-week or sooner. Canaan's song wasn't even close either -- nearly 400 spins behind "Crash And Burn."
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2015 21:45:30 GMT -5
at Billboard. Here's the email that I sent: "I was just wondering why Canaan Smith didn't go recurrent on tonight's Country Airplay chart. He ranks #10 in audience, but #12 in spins, and as long as I've been following your chart, a song goes recurrent when it falls below #10 in audience OR spins (provided that the song is at least 21 weeks old...and lord knows that Canaan's song is way past that)." They replied, saying that they decided to leave Canaan on one more week. I have a screenshot of the email that they sent, but I don't want to post it publicly on the board (PM me if you really wanna see it, LOL). They definitely made a mistake here, but it doesn't look like they're going to issue a correction.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2015 21:53:07 GMT -5
This song staying is bullcrap. This song could be the reason why Jana Kramer might miss out on the Top 30. Oh well.
I can only hope Billboard can get a chart where they don't goof up a chart.
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Post by .indulgecountry on Jul 27, 2015 22:01:31 GMT -5
So this stayed on but "Girl Crush" didn't? What kind of tomfoolery?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2015 22:07:26 GMT -5
So this stayed on but "Girl Crush" didn't? What kind of tomfoolery? "Girl Crush" correctly went recurrent (as did "Sangria"). LBT lost a staggering 17 million in audience; they finished just under 27.7 million, which is below Thomas Rhett (and Canaan too). They easily fell below #10 in both audience and spins. However, for as long as I've been following Billboard's chart, they've always sent a song recurrent when it falls below #10 in audience OR spins (the song also has to be 21+ weeks old, but lord knows that Canaan meets that requirement). Canaan held at #10 in audience, but he's #12 in spins, so he shouldn't be on the chart. He should be in the recurrent section with Blake and LBT. Billboard has made 1 or 2 similar mistakes before (I seem to remember them pulling ZBB/Alan's "As She's Walking Away" a week or two early, but that was a little easier to understand, as it came right after the Christmas charts), but this is probably the biggest goof they've made that I can recall. Admittedly, I don't keep a list of their mistakes -- I really should -- but yeah, this is a glaring mistake on their part.
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Post by .indulgecountry on Jul 27, 2015 22:10:56 GMT -5
I know "Girl Crush" should've gone recurrent, but I just find it more glaringly wrong when they decided to apparently bend their rules to save one of the two songs in this case since they both were supposed to go. So messy.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2015 22:21:11 GMT -5
I would've been just as annoyed if "Girl Crush" or "Sangria" had stayed on. All 3 of them should have been sent recurrent.
In the end it's not really a big deal (Canaan will obviously be gone next week, and everybody below him will get the extra +1 then), but I think it's pretty annoying, especially because the people who make these charts are employed by Billboard, whereas we're just some music fanatics on a discussion board. I think it's pretty embarrassing when we know the charts and their rules better than the chart people do.
I mean, it's not like I'm mad at Billboard, but I just wish they would own up to the mistake and correct the chart. It can't be that hard. Newspapers publish corrections all the time. Country Aircheck always corrects mistakes the following day (if they make a typo or publish something incorrectly on a Tuesday, for example, they always post an "Err Check" in Wednesday's daily Aircheck email). Mistakes happen. But this one is easily fixable and so I wish they'd just do it.
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Post by sabre14 on Jul 27, 2015 23:07:16 GMT -5
Mistakes happen. But this one is easily fixable and so I wish they'd just do it. It's human nature for people to dislike being told they're wrong or even that they screwed up, especially by the average person who aren't employed by Billboard like you and I. I completely agree that this is embarrassing and if Billboard decided to stick their head in the sand and ignore the correction, then that makes their mistake tonight even more embarrassing. Good grief, just fix the damn boo boo and move on.
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Post by Markus Meyer on Jul 27, 2015 23:07:51 GMT -5
Wait, so they're leaving it on just because they feel like it?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2015 2:58:57 GMT -5
Wait, so they're leaving it on just because they feel like it? In a word: yes. And I just noticed another really bizarre thing..."Love You Like That" went recurrent on Hot Country Songs tonight, even though it was #9 last week. The HCS rule states that "descending titles below No. 25 will be moved to recurrent after 20 weeks." Uh, there's no way that this fell from #9 to #26 or lower. It's bleeding airplay, sure, but its airplay/sales/streams are still ahead of songs like "Lose My Mind" and "Real Life", and Brett and Jake are at #17 and #18, respectively, on tonight's HCS chart. On a related note, Phyllis Stark published a really interesting "anatomy of a hit" write-up in tonight's BCU. I found the last couple of paragraphs to be particularly interesting. It really sheds a lot of light on how they achieved a #1 here (which I'm still not happy about, but w/e). A lot of stations had backed off on this because they'd played it so much for nearly a year and as a result it had really burned on their listeners, but they agreed to go all-in for that final push week. And Mercury put calls in to radio stations on a Sunday just to get the Billboard #1, even though they had already secured the Mediabase #1. Interesting stuff, even if I don't really like seeing it happen.
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Post by Daryl the Beryl on Jul 28, 2015 3:13:14 GMT -5
Wait, so they're leaving it on just because they feel like it? And I just noticed another really bizarre thing..."Love You Like That" went recurrent on Hot Country Songs tonight, even though it was #9 last week. The HCS rule states that "descending titles below No. 25 will be moved to recurrent after 20 weeks." Uh, there's no way that this fell from #9 to #26 or lower. I believe this has happened to several other songs before. Other examples include Easton Corbin's "Baby Be My Love Song" and Billy Currington's "Don't It".
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2015 3:22:18 GMT -5
And I just noticed another really bizarre thing..."Love You Like That" went recurrent on Hot Country Songs tonight, even though it was #9 last week. The HCS rule states that "descending titles below No. 25 will be moved to recurrent after 20 weeks." Uh, there's no way that this fell from #9 to #26 or lower. I believe this has happened to several other songs before. Other examples include Easton Corbin's "Baby Be My Love Song" and Billy Currington's "Don't It". Yeah, I should have mentioned that I'm aware this has happened before. I just don't understand why, though. I mean, the recurrent rule is stated right there at the bottom of the HCS chart, and yet songs go recurrent at random.
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Post by rowdawg21 on Jul 28, 2015 7:25:57 GMT -5
I believe this has happened to several other songs before. Other examples include Easton Corbin's "Baby Be My Love Song" and Billy Currington's "Don't It". Yeah, I should have mentioned that I'm aware this has happened before. I just don't understand why, though. I mean, the recurrent rule is stated right there at the bottom of the HCS chart, and yet songs go recurrent at random. I wonder if it's possible they got confused about which chart this song was supposed to go recurrent on? That would make this whole situation even more embarrassing for them.
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Post by rsmatto on Jul 29, 2015 0:54:09 GMT -5
And I just noticed another really bizarre thing..."Love You Like That" went recurrent on Hot Country Songs tonight, even though it was #9 last week. The HCS rule states that "descending titles below No. 25 will be moved to recurrent after 20 weeks." Uh, there's no way that this fell from #9 to #26 or lower. I believe this has happened to several other songs before. Other examples include Easton Corbin's "Baby Be My Love Song" and Billy Currington's "Don't It". Maybe it's just Mercury label songs? ;)
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Post by Daryl the Beryl on Jul 29, 2015 0:56:48 GMT -5
I believe this has happened to several other songs before. Other examples include Easton Corbin's "Baby Be My Love Song" and Billy Currington's "Don't It". Maybe it's just Mercury label songs? ;) Nope because "Love Me Like You Mean It" was sent recurrent early as well
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