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Post by Kurt on Jul 8, 2014 16:51:04 GMT -5
Lead single from El Pintor. Goes for adds next week, according to R&R.
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Post by Cody on Jul 8, 2014 21:22:47 GMT -5
I'm excited for this. Great band and every single one of their singles have deserved far better in North America. I doubt it'll do much based on the fact that their last lead single just barely scraped the top 40, but hopefully given the current state of alternative (of which they SHOULD fit in), it'll revive them a bit in North America.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2014 14:17:19 GMT -5
it's ok
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Post by Cody on Jul 9, 2014 15:34:09 GMT -5
Solid return, I like it. It's quite a bit better than "Barricade" but I don't think that'll make a difference on alternative.
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Post by Green Baron on Jul 13, 2014 14:48:41 GMT -5
Another indie band that got fucked over by the indie movement.
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Post by Brian Battler on Jul 14, 2014 8:39:50 GMT -5
Flop announced
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Post by Cody on Jul 17, 2014 17:15:45 GMT -5
Another indie band that got f**ked over by the indie movement. No, they've never been a huge performer in the U.S. mainstream and it has nothing to do with the indie movement. Interpol is one of the bands actually responsible for the indie movement, especially in the UK, but that's a whole other story. 1. They're on Matador, which is an indie label. Not the richest of label's and therefore not able to provide the same financial backing bigger labels can. It's no coincidence that their biggest hit in the U.S. (The Heinrich Maneuver) was the lead single from their one album with a big label (Capitol) push. 2. They're from the UK, which makes the push to US alternative radio even more difficult. 3. They've been around a long time now, and most hardcore and casual fans of the band and of the genre in general will tell you that their best days are behind them. 4. And probably most importantly, Interpol are a group similar to the Arcade Fire in terms of the type of fanbase they have. They were popularized by the internet and a significant chunk of their fanbase is made up of people who listen to the most serious "indie" of the "indie" crop. These are people who are not alternative radio listeners, whether that be during the band's glory years when alternative was in a different era, or today.
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Post by Green Baron on Jul 17, 2014 17:19:21 GMT -5
Another indie band that got f**ked over by the indie movement. No, they've never been a huge performer in the U.S. mainstream and it has nothing to do with the indie movement. Interpol is one of the bands actually responsible for the indie movement, especially in the UK, but that's a whole other story. 1. They're on Matador, which is an indie label. Not the richest of label's and therefore not able to provide the same financial backing bigger labels can. It's no coincidence that their biggest hit in the U.S. (The Heinrich Maneuver) was the lead single from their one album with a big label (Capitol) push. 2. They're from the UK, which makes the push to US alternative radio even more difficult. 3. They've been around a long time now, and most hardcore and casual fans of the band and of the genre in general will tell you that their best days are behind them. 4. And probably most importantly, Interpol are a group similar to the Arcade Fire in terms of the type of fanbase they have. They were popularized by the internet and a significant chunk of their fanbase is made up of people who listen to the most serious "indie" of the "indie" crop. These are people who are not alternative radio listeners, whether that be during the band's glory years when alternative was in a different era, or today. They're from NYC. Also, they charted decently until Barricade flopped, which was during the beginning of the indie movement
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2014 17:26:20 GMT -5
this got a good few adds so I can see this doing better than Barricade
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Post by Cody on Jul 17, 2014 17:30:00 GMT -5
No, they've never been a huge performer in the U.S. mainstream and it has nothing to do with the indie movement. Interpol is one of the bands actually responsible for the indie movement, especially in the UK, but that's a whole other story. 1. They're on Matador, which is an indie label. Not the richest of label's and therefore not able to provide the same financial backing bigger labels can. It's no coincidence that their biggest hit in the U.S. (The Heinrich Maneuver) was the lead single from their one album with a big label (Capitol) push. 2. They're from the UK, which makes the push to US alternative radio even more difficult. 3. They've been around a long time now, and most hardcore and casual fans of the band and of the genre in general will tell you that their best days are behind them. 4. And probably most importantly, Interpol are a group similar to the Arcade Fire in terms of the type of fanbase they have. They were popularized by the internet and a significant chunk of their fanbase is made up of people who listen to the most serious "indie" of the "indie" crop. These are people who are not alternative radio listeners, whether that be during the band's glory years when alternative was in a different era, or today. They're from NYC. Also, they charted decently until Barricade flopped, which was during the beginning of the indie movement They are American, but IIRC I think I read that they do alot of recording in London and are almost somewhat based out of the UK. They have a huge following and have historically charted alot earlier with each song and alot better as well. I did forget they were from the U.S. though, they certainly sound like a UK band, and with their base and following out of there you can see why I made that mistake.
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Post by Green Baron on Jul 17, 2014 17:33:49 GMT -5
They're from NYC. Also, they charted decently until Barricade flopped, which was during the beginning of the indie movement They are American, but IIRC I think I read that they do alot of recording in London and are almost somewhat based out of the UK. They have a huge following and have historically charted alot earlier with each song and alot better as well. I did forget they were from the U.S. though, they certainly sound like a UK band, and with their base and following out of there you can see why I made that mistake. It's not just Interpol. the killers and the strokes also started flipping as soon as the indie movement started
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Post by Cody on Jul 17, 2014 17:56:00 GMT -5
They are American, but IIRC I think I read that they do alot of recording in London and are almost somewhat based out of the UK. They have a huge following and have historically charted alot earlier with each song and alot better as well. I did forget they were from the U.S. though, they certainly sound like a UK band, and with their base and following out of there you can see why I made that mistake. It's not just Interpol. the killers and the strokes also started flipping as soon as the indie movement started The Strokes have the same fanbase situation as Interpol, and both them and the Killers have been in natural decline for 3 albums. The Killers aren't even really flopping. "Runaways" only peaked one position lower than "Human" despite being nowhere near as strong a song. Plus they have a history of their second singles not doing much on the format. "Bones" and "Smile Like You Mean It" failed to hit the top 10, and "Miss Atomic Bomb" is once again a weaker song than both. You've got to start factoring in the natural decline of some of these bands and not just accuse the "indie movement" of destroying them. You're significantly younger than the rest of us, so it's natural that you'd enjoy the newer music these older bands put out alot more than we do, but as a diehard Killers fan who owns all four of their albums, I can assure you that their performance on alternative with their last album's singles were appropriate, and that each one of their albums is a slight drop in quality from its predecessor.
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Post by Green Baron on Jul 17, 2014 18:00:54 GMT -5
It's not just Interpol. the killers and the strokes also started flipping as soon as the indie movement started The Strokes have the same fanbase situation as Interpol, and both them and the Killers have been in natural decline for 3 albums. The Killers aren't even really flopping. "Runaways" only peaked one position lower than "Human" despite being nowhere near as strong a song. Plus they have a history of their second singles not doing much on the format. "Bones" and "Smile Like You Mean It" failed to hit the top 10, and "Miss Atomic Bomb" is once again a weaker song than both. You've got to start factoring in the natural decline of some of these bands and not just accuse the "indie movement" of destroying them. You're significantly younger than the rest of us, so it's natural that you'd enjoy the newer music these older bands put out alot more than we do, but as a diehard Killers fan who owns all four of their albums, I can assure you that their performance on alternative with their last album's singles were appropriate, and that each one of their albums is a slight drop in quality from its predecessor. When has radio ever cared about quality?
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Post by Cody on Jul 17, 2014 18:19:09 GMT -5
The Strokes have the same fanbase situation as Interpol, and both them and the Killers have been in natural decline for 3 albums. The Killers aren't even really flopping. "Runaways" only peaked one position lower than "Human" despite being nowhere near as strong a song. Plus they have a history of their second singles not doing much on the format. "Bones" and "Smile Like You Mean It" failed to hit the top 10, and "Miss Atomic Bomb" is once again a weaker song than both. You've got to start factoring in the natural decline of some of these bands and not just accuse the "indie movement" of destroying them. You're significantly younger than the rest of us, so it's natural that you'd enjoy the newer music these older bands put out alot more than we do, but as a diehard Killers fan who owns all four of their albums, I can assure you that their performance on alternative with their last album's singles were appropriate, and that each one of their albums is a slight drop in quality from its predecessor. When has radio ever cared about quality? If that's really how you feel, then you shouldn't be listening to the radio.
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Post by Green Baron on Jul 17, 2014 18:23:11 GMT -5
When has radio ever cared about quality? If that's really how you feel, then you shouldn't be listening to the radio. My point is, it's not uncommon for a bad song to do well. There has to be other factors.
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Post by Cody on Jul 17, 2014 18:57:49 GMT -5
If that's really how you feel, then you shouldn't be listening to the radio. My point is, it's not uncommon for a bad song to do well. There has to be other factors. The whole "bad song" thing is very subjective though. The two biggest factors for hits are audience and finance. Even with financial backing, a song still needs a strong audience figure to succeed. So yeah, sometimes iffy songs that have no business reaching #1 on alternative end up reaching #1 (Staind's "Believe" and Saliva's "Always" to name a few), but although many of us dislike these songs, clearly the overall alternative community didn't. They still had no issues listening to these songs, and combined with the payola so that the songs could get to #1. You may not like alot of the alternative #1s nowadays, but the general audience seems to like them, and that's what I mean by your claim of a hit song being "bad" as an entirely subjective statement. Artist name and reputation only goes so far, and only the most popular artists in their primes can really bank on their names to influence radio enough to carry their singles all the way to #1. You're seeing this right now with The Black Keys' "Fever" and you saw it with Muse's "Madness". Linkin Park isn't as big a name and don't have the mass popularity they used to, and that's why the same wasn't the case for them and "Guilty". It was the case for them when "What I've Done" came out though, and their popularity just declined from there. You'll see something similar with Muse and The Black Keys one day too. No band/artist keeps their peak popularity forever.
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Post by Green Baron on Jul 17, 2014 20:08:29 GMT -5
My point is, it's not uncommon for a bad song to do well. There has to be other factors. No band/artist keeps their peak popularity forever. Which sucks, because it just so happens 95% my favorite bands came out before I was born and are already beginning a downward trend in popularity.
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Post by Cody on Jul 17, 2014 20:15:11 GMT -5
No band/artist keeps their peak popularity forever. Which sucks, because it just so happens 95% my favorite bands came out before I was born and are already beginning a downward trend in popularity. Well yeah. I mean I'll probably keep giving you a hard time about it simply because I want you to fully acknowledge and understand that, however I understand why it is you feel the way you do about those bands. It's not you're fault you're only 14, lol. I'm sure if you were 10 years older you'd have more tolerance for why alternative is the way it is, and why the older bands aren't doing as well as they used to.
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Post by Green Baron on Jul 17, 2014 20:24:06 GMT -5
Which sucks, because it just so happens 95% my favorite bands came out before I was born and are already beginning a downward trend in popularity. Well yeah. I mean I'll probably keep giving you a hard time about it simply because I want you to fully acknowledge and understand that, however I understand why it is you feel the way you do about those bands. It's not you're fault you're only 14, lol. I'm sure if you were 10 years older you'd have more tolerance for why alternative is the way it is, and why the older bands aren't doing as well as they used to. The only band I like that still has at least some shot is Rise Against and Muse. And the former is still a long shot.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2014 21:56:59 GMT -5
we should compile a list of veteran artists that could still get top 10s in this day and age
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Post by Green Baron on Jul 17, 2014 22:33:00 GMT -5
we should compile a list of veteran artists that could still get top 10s in this day and age Let's see the top 10 all-time alt acts. 1 FOO FIGHTERS - maybe, if the material is soft enough and not a hard rocker 2 RED HOT CHILI PEPPERS - something less funky and more on the "Snow Hey Oh", "Tell Me Baby" side. 3 LINKIN PARK - they're fucked. 4 GREEN DAY - can Alternative forgive them for the shitty trilogy? It wasn't even that heavy to begin with, it was the poppiest stuff they made in their whole career 5 U2 - No one cares about them anymore 6 R.E.M. - Don't exist anymore 7 INCUBUS - A song like Adolescents could still do top 10, but something like Megalomaniac? Hell no 8 PEARL JAM - Lightning Bolt strangely flopped after Sirens went Top 5. A ballad could repeat Sirens' success. 9 THE OFFSPRING - like Green Day, can one bad era kill them off for good 10 BUSH - nope 11 THE SMASHING PUMPKINS - Nope. They're out of fashion now. 12 WEEZER - We'll see in 2 weeks. Maybe. 13 THE CURE - No one cares about them anymore 14 STONE TEMPLE PILOTS - Nope 15 MUSE - No shit. 16 BLINK-182 - A less riff-driven song could, otherwise no, because pop punk is dead 17 STAIND - Nope. 18 THREE DAYS GRACE - Nope. 19 NIRVANA - Uhh... 20 LIVE - Nope.
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Post by Web on Jul 17, 2014 22:55:28 GMT -5
Regardless of the song Foo Fighters will hit Top 10 with their lead single next cycle, probably Top 5 guaranteed even if it was really heavy or just plain bad. They're at the very heart and core of Alternative, and last era they were very successful with heavier material. I can't see them being excluded just yet even if Alternative continues in the indie direction.
Also I listened to this Interpol song but sort of immediately forgot what it sounded like. I don't remember having a strong opinion about it in either direction though.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2014 23:37:47 GMT -5
we should compile a list of veteran artists that could still get top 10s in this day and age Let's see the top 10 all-time alt acts. 1 FOO FIGHTERS - maybe, if the material is soft enough and not a hard rocker 2 RED HOT CHILI PEPPERS - something less funky and more on the "Snow Hey Oh", "Tell Me Baby" side. 3 LINKIN PARK - they're f**ked. 4 GREEN DAY - can Alternative forgive them for the s**tty trilogy? It wasn't even that heavy to begin with, it was the poppiest stuff they made in their whole career 5 U2 - No one cares about them anymore 6 R.E.M. - Don't exist anymore 7 INCUBUS - A song like Adolescents could still do top 10, but something like Megalomaniac? Hell no 8 PEARL JAM - Lightning Bolt strangely flopped after Sirens went Top 5. A ballad could repeat Sirens' success. 9 THE OFFSPRING - like Green Day, can one bad era kill them off for good 10 BUSH - nope 11 THE SMASHING PUMPKINS - Nope. They're out of fashion now. 12 WEEZER - We'll see in 2 weeks. Maybe. 13 THE CURE - No one cares about them anymore 14 STONE TEMPLE PILOTS - Nope 15 MUSE - No s**t. 16 BLINK-182 - A less riff-driven song could, otherwise no, because pop punk is dead 17 STAIND - Nope. 18 THREE DAYS GRACE - Nope. 19 NIRVANA - Uhh... 20 LIVE - Nope. idk if you would call these artists (Death Cab, Silversun, A. Toxic Event) veteran but they influenced the indie movement so I'm sure they could pull off hits if they release quality songs speaking of which, you dig these bands?
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Post by Cody on Jul 18, 2014 0:35:12 GMT -5
Green Baron your analysis is a bit dramatic, be reasonable. This is more realistic. 1. Foo Fighters: Yes, their lead single, no matter what it is, is a guaranteed top 10, probably even a #1. Their sound on "Wasting Light" has a minor, yet noticeable indie influence to it, and I'm sure they'll manage to make something appealing to alternative. Also, Pearl Jam managed a top 5 recently. 2. RHCP: Guaranteed top 10. They don't do anything overly heavy anymore anyway, and all of their lead singles are super radio-friendly. 3. Linkin Park: Yes, they just had one (A Light That Never Comes). Their poppier stuff has always done well on alternative (In The End, Numb, Braking The Habit, What I've Done, Shadow Of The Day, Waiting For The End, Burn It Out). 4. Green Day: Probably not. They've gone downhill, and frankly, if they keep making music like they did with their recent trilogy, they don't deserve another top 10. 5. U2: Not likely, but more so because they're old now, and their last album's singles weren't memorable and barely achieved top 10 successes. All old bands like this declined, liek Oasis and R.E.M. did years ago. Totally unrelated to the indie movement. 6. R.E.M.: Retired 7. Incubus: Doubtful. They've declined to a lower point than most active post-grunge bands. Their last album was BRUTAL and "Adolescents" was barely deserving of going top 10 at all. If their next lead single is of the same or worse quality, then it's not worth even debating, it would be undeserving. Decline started before indie completely took over, therefore the indie movement has nothing to do with it. 8. Pearl Jam: Yes, they just had one. Ballads still work for them, and even "Mind Your Manners", which was a bit of a mess did extremely well on alternative considering its quality. 9. Offspring: They've been in commercial decline for 14 years, and their last era didn't help. So most likely not, and once again it has nothing to do with the indie movement. 10. Bush: Possible but unlikely. "The Sound Of Winter" was a fluke, an absolute work of art on a less than stellar album. NOt making the top 10 wouldn't have anything to do with the indie movement though, they've been in decline for 13 years, and their 2001 album had no alternative top 10s. 11. Smashing Pumpkins: No. In decline for years, see the above U2 analysis. Nothing to do with indie movement 12. Weezer: No way of knowing. They have a big label again so this one will get a better push. If there is ONE band out of these 20 you can MAYBE attribute failutr to the indie movement screwing over, it's Weezer. But that depends on the quality of "Back To The Shack". 13. Cure: Nope, nothing to do with the indie movement either. 14. No. They aren't even "alternative" with Chester Bennington on vocals. Just straight up old fashioned "mainstream rock" music. "Out Of Time" wouldn't have been an alternative top 10 at any point since the turn of the milennium. Nothing to do with indie movement 15. Muse: Absolutely 16. Blink-182: A quality song from them would make it, although the last album was quite average, and "Up All Night" and "After Midnight" were successful due to the hype. I personally didn't think either of those were top 10 quality anyway. 17. Staind: Not "alternative" anymore. Straight up "rock" band, and their last alt #1 is one of the reasons the indie movement had to happen. To stop anymore 'Believes' from reaching #1. Besides, their last lead single came out while rock bands could still get top 10s on alternative (Seether, Chevelle) so alternative was already getting sick of them. Therefore lack of alt top 10's from them = nothing to do with the indie movement. 18. TDG: Nope, their lead singer is Matt "Porn Star Dancing" Walst, so alternative won't have anything to do with them. My Darkest Days were never an alternative success story, therefore once again, noting to do with the indie movement. 19. Nirvana: Wait, KURT COBAIN IS DEAD?????? 20. Live: See: Smashing Pumpkins, Cure, and U2. You can make a case for 1/20 of these bands being "screwed over" and therefore unable to reach the top 10, and that's still an "IF" for Weezer. Plenty of variables.
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Post by Green Baron on Jul 18, 2014 9:06:27 GMT -5
You're a bit optimistic for linkin - until it's gone just lost a bullet
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Post by Cody on Jul 18, 2014 9:38:06 GMT -5
You're a bit optimistic for linkin - until it's gone just lost a bullet Until It's Gone is a second single following a flop. There aren't too many success stories with that situation. I would bet "Until It's Gone" woulda went top 10 as the lead single.
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Post by Green Baron on Jul 18, 2014 10:23:02 GMT -5
You're a bit optimistic for linkin - until it's gone just lost a bullet Until It's Gone is a second single following a flop. There aren't too many success stories with that situation. I would bet "Until It's Gone" woulda went top 10 as the lead single. Puddle of MUDs - Pyscho
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Post by Cody on Jul 18, 2014 10:28:54 GMT -5
Until It's Gone is a second single following a flop. There aren't too many success stories with that situation. I would bet "Until It's Gone" woulda went top 10 as the lead single. Puddle of MUDs - Pyscho That's more of a complete anomaly than a simple exception. My point being that it's uncommon. Besides, this debate is pointless, because Linkin Park JUST had a top 10 like 6-7 months ago. So yeah, they're capable of doing it in this era.
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Post by American Idiot on Jul 18, 2014 12:41:05 GMT -5
I never really thought of many of the reasons above for the decline of decline of a lot of those bands on Alternative. The indie movement really doesn't have as much of an impact as I originally thought. Most of those bands listed above have been on some kind of decline towards the later ends of their career due to disappointing albums (Green Day, The Offspring, Incubus, & Weezer) fanbase change due to age, or the fact that they just broke up. Indie I guess is just the next movement of music to join the Alternative Rock genre. I was very surprised to see Three Days Grace on that list. I know they had some big hits, but they only came out eleven years ago.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2014 0:45:49 GMT -5
I like this noe
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