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Post by Rocky on Nov 20, 2014 11:31:11 GMT -5
I assume making the top 10 on iTunes automatically gets some radio play?-- i.e. some shows just play a countdown of the top 10 or 20??? [like the UKs Vodafone Big Top 40). Tell that to Christina Perri Don't play with my emotions. :'(
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Post by jimmyt on Nov 22, 2014 4:11:24 GMT -5
Ella performing at the AMA pre show tomorrow and presenting on the main show. Doubt it'll get any bounce from that, but good promo!
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Post by Az Paynter on Nov 25, 2014 7:06:47 GMT -5
POP: 33 31 ELLA HENDERSON Ghost 1746 1630 116 5.018
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Post by jjose712 on Nov 25, 2014 7:24:50 GMT -5
Well, if this won't change soon (and with the freeze doesn't seem likely) this will probably end another Mercy, a song that was big on other countries and should be big in the USA but end underperforming big time
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Post by skizzo on Nov 25, 2014 7:29:48 GMT -5
And it has fallen to #30 on I-Tunes thanks to The Voice, AMA's, etc...
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Post by jimmyt on Nov 25, 2014 8:32:05 GMT -5
Well, if this won't change soon (and with the freeze doesn't seem likely) this will probably end another Mercy, a song that was big on other countries and should be big in the USA but end underperforming big time Yep. In the end maybe not 'pop' enough for US pop radio.... shame.
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Post by mamaloveme on Nov 25, 2014 9:22:52 GMT -5
and the American Idol contestant will sing the shit out of this song but still not a HIT in America :lol:
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Post by kanimal on Nov 25, 2014 11:12:37 GMT -5
Well, if this won't change soon (and with the freeze doesn't seem likely) this will probably end another Mercy, a song that was big on other countries and should be big in the USA but end underperforming big time Yep. In the end maybe not 'pop' enough for US pop radio.... shame. It's a Ryan Tedder co-write that sounds like a Ryan Tedder co-write. I could easily envision OneRepublic singing this song. I don't think there's any issue with it being "pop" - something about it just isn't quite popping (yet), though. The iTunes performance, interestingly, kind of reveals that. While it shoots up super high every time she performs, it also falls back in a way that true smashes don't/shouldn't after receiving boosts. There's a vocal elegance about her performance that gets people excited, but perhaps the recording doesn't convey the same thing to new listeners.
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Post by jimmyt on Nov 25, 2014 11:18:47 GMT -5
Yep. In the end maybe not 'pop' enough for US pop radio.... shame. It's a Ryan Tedder co-write that sounds like a Ryan Tedder co-write. I could easily envision OneRepublic singing this song. I don't think there's any issue with it being "pop" - something about it just isn't quite popping (yet), though. The iTunes performance, interestingly, kind of reveals that. While it shoots up super high every time she performs, it also falls back in a way that true smashes don't/shouldn't after receiving boosts. There's a vocal elegance about her performance that gets people excited, but perhaps the recording doesn't convey the same thing to new listeners. But there arent that many 'new listeners' because pop radio doesnt add or spin it much even after a great TV performance and a shoot up iTunes... I guess wait until later to confirm how many adds this week on pop, but I wont hold my breath!
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Post by kanimal on Nov 25, 2014 11:25:17 GMT -5
It's a Ryan Tedder co-write that sounds like a Ryan Tedder co-write. I could easily envision OneRepublic singing this song. I don't think there's any issue with it being "pop" - something about it just isn't quite popping (yet), though. The iTunes performance, interestingly, kind of reveals that. While it shoots up super high every time she performs, it also falls back in a way that true smashes don't/shouldn't after receiving boosts. There's a vocal elegance about her performance that gets people excited, but perhaps the recording doesn't convey the same thing to new listeners. But there arent that many 'new listeners' because pop radio doesnt add or spin it much even after a great TV performance and a shoot up iTunes... I guess wait until later to confirm how many adds this week on pop, but I wont hold my breath! Buzz over the performances + the song's rise on the sales chart should be introducing it to new listeners. The Man, Stay with Me, Take Me to Church, All About That Bass, Uptown Funk, etc all leveraged particular moments of buzz (commercial syncs, live performances, TODAY show appearances, press write-ups, etc) to rise up the sales chart before their airplay 'warranted' it. The difference is that they HELD there (again, before the airplay caught up). I've seen buzzworthy songs move fairly slowly after live performances (Beg for It, Girl in a Country Song, etc), but I've never seen one that simultaneously moves REALLY quickly up the chart after each performance but then falls pretty significantly thereafter*. This song has a very weird trajectory. *The only exception I could think of would be when songs move up after awards shows, but those represent a far different kind of "boost" than most people get from appearing on TODAY, Ellen, Seth Meyers, etc.
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Post by jjose712 on Nov 25, 2014 13:00:53 GMT -5
Well, if this won't change soon (and with the freeze doesn't seem likely) this will probably end another Mercy, a song that was big on other countries and should be big in the USA but end underperforming big time Yep. In the end maybe not 'pop' enough for US pop radio.... shame. It can't be that. The variety of the chart in recent years is way wider. That could be believable if it was Take me to church but not Ghost. It's strange, because people react well everytime they are exposed to the song, after every performance the rise on itunes is obvious but radio insist on not given this a chance. Of course that happen before this year with Human, and without the deal it was a big probability that Rather Be and Habits wouldn end being way less successful than they were. The callout for this songs are good but right now the time is against it. Frankly if there's not a good bunch of adds this week and better updates i think it'll be over soon. They made a big mistake releasing this without the proper promo, it's a basic mistake, no matter how big a song was on UK, and unknown artist need promo unless the song became viral (or there's an instant reaction).
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Post by jjose712 on Nov 25, 2014 14:39:08 GMT -5
And after so much negativity, today's Hot AC update is really good and the bullet looks healthy again
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Post by Glove Slap on Nov 25, 2014 14:42:50 GMT -5
No, there's nothing like that in the states. There is something that loosely bases itself off the top 20, but it omits a lot of songs randomly, has a weird re-order of them, and airs on, like, three monitored stations, so it doesn't ever have an effect. However, the top ten on iTunes gives the song exposure on iTunes' front page, so more people will discover the song. Ok thanks Austin. Looks like it's now peaked after The Voice bump and will no doubt start dropping until if or when it gets a lot more radio plays. over to you radio! (Ella is back in the UK for a charity gig with Take That tonight, then back to the U.S. For more promo., then back in UK for single #3 launch next week, busy schedule for an 18 yr old!) She's 18?! I thought she was a bit older (around 22), but I guess she is usually heavily made up so that makes her look a bit older. Her team has done a beyond fantastic job of getting this out there, but it's a very very tough time of the year to try to launch a new act in the US. I can still see this ultimately taking off if it can survive the freeze. I can see her hitting with Glow as well, but I'd like to see this reach its full potential. I think this song is a much easier sell than Mercy, where the vocal could be seen as quite jarring.
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Post by jjose712 on Nov 25, 2014 15:04:44 GMT -5
Glow peak high on UK but dropped like a stone, frankly if this doesn't work i doubt Glow has a chance (she will be in a similar position that John Newman after Love me again wasn not the smash hit that it should be, with Cheatin being an UK top 10 but with very few weeks on chart).
About Mercy, it was a question of time. It didn't work at a time Adele was unable to have a single hit on the pop chart (even with all the buzz and awards). This year a lesser version of Mercy like All about that bass smashed hard
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Post by surfy on Nov 25, 2014 18:19:49 GMT -5
Cheatin' was a really boring song, John really doesn't seem like a star to me, I think there's a reason he's not catching on here... (Same with Olly)
This girl I think could make it, and "Glow" certainly has more potential imo.
Anyways, I hope this picks up... I think if it survives the freeze, it might be able to go top 25, but I don't see it going too much further. The timing was just off with all the major releases coming out right now, and instead of releasing it another time this year, when all of the new artists were breaking out.... (I think she would have easily went top 20 with this kind of promo back in say Springtime)
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Post by frank on Nov 25, 2014 20:49:50 GMT -5
Glow definitely has potential, but it's a grower and not as immediate as Ghost is.
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Post by mamaloveme on Nov 25, 2014 23:16:54 GMT -5
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Post by jimmyt on Nov 26, 2014 2:11:03 GMT -5
Not sure they'll go with Glow for single #2 after (ahem) they got burned with it in the UK, it's only sold 100k vs 910k for Ghost.... Maybe Empire?
As to Ghost I think it will hang around a while yet, and it has at least got her a profile in the US.
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Post by kanimal on Nov 26, 2014 2:31:31 GMT -5
Glow doesn't pop for me at all. It's the kind of thing that can be okay as a follow-up if people already worship her, but she's not there with Ghost just yet.
If Ghost ends up getting her there, then fine. But if it stalls, she'll need something bigger than Glow to truly launch in the US.
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Post by Az Paynter on Nov 26, 2014 7:07:36 GMT -5
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Post by jimmyt on Nov 26, 2014 7:47:10 GMT -5
Solid updates!
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Post by jjose712 on Nov 26, 2014 8:35:58 GMT -5
Cheatin' was a really boring song, John really doesn't seem like a star to me, I think there's a reason he's not catching on here... (Same with Olly) This girl I think could make it, and "Glow" certainly has more potential imo. Anyways, I hope this picks up... I think if it survives the freeze, it might be able to go top 25, but I don't see it going too much further. The timing was just off with all the major releases coming out right now, and instead of releasing it another time this year, when all of the new artists were breaking out.... (I think she would have easily went top 20 with this kind of promo back in say Springtime) Truth is Love me again took its time to pick up (compare it with Pompeii, i don't think nobody when both released in the USA expect Bastille to do way better than John) but with the same number of days in the chart Love me again was at 26 and with considerably more spins than Ghost. And to be fair, there was a lot more buzz around John than it is around Ella, it's true that all the buzz dissapeared after Cheatin fail to be a consistent follow up and specially after Sam Smith appeared in scene. Ella is an X factor alum and Simon Cowell's personal bet (i'm pretty sure Joe McElderry would loved to have the same treatment that Ella had after X factor), she is a good singer, but it wasn't particulary popular on the show (she ended sixth), so all the buzz came from the collaboration on the album and the fact that Ghost was a smash hit that sounded like a smash hit from moment one. If Ghost fail, Glow doesn't have a chance, in fact i think there's a good probability that they skip Glow like Glean Bandit is skipping Extraordinary (which had a similar performance to Glow on the UK charts but peaking higher). They put a lot of money on her promo but they didn't planned it well. She should release the song at least a month after she did, maybe they were fooled by the good reaction on itunes because the song was pretty high without airplay, but the truth is the song is reacting weirdly to the promo, rise very high but dropping too fast. I don't know if he'll do well, but in comparision the label is doing a better job with George Ezra (i know it's a different type of artist) releasing first to AAA and alternative, and after getting some love there (a lot of love on AAA where he is number one) release to hot ac. I suppose they release to pop in january and bring them to the USA to do the promo. The song is around 200 for a good while, and probably will rise without effort when gets more expossure and promotion. And there's something similar with Sheppard's Geronimo to bring a more poppy example (with the difference they did a promo performance and that the song is already top 100 on itunes before the release on pop)
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Post by pnobelysk on Nov 27, 2014 3:15:34 GMT -5
New peak of 52 on the hot 100 this week
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Post by Az Paynter on Nov 27, 2014 6:45:16 GMT -5
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Post by surfy on Nov 27, 2014 12:36:37 GMT -5
Yay it reached too 30!!!
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Post by jimmyt on Nov 27, 2014 15:40:11 GMT -5
Onwards and upwards - I hope! :0)
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Post by Az Paynter on Nov 28, 2014 7:21:36 GMT -5
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Post by jjose712 on Nov 28, 2014 9:48:00 GMT -5
I would be good if she were able to sustain this kind of updates till Christmas, i think i would have an oportunity to explode after that. At this rhythm it could end being the new Lights if ends being a hit
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