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Post by jjose712 on Dec 10, 2014 13:32:09 GMT -5
Well, they need to show tenacity because i think this is her only chance (for now). Even if this become a hit i'm not that sure she will have another hit on store (at least her last two singles didn't do that well on UK) Don't agree! There are plenty of great songs on the album. And Glow charted #7 and Yours has been in the top 10 on iTunes since its release 10 days ago. Depends what you call a 'hit' I suppose..... Glow peaked at 7 but dropped like a stone. If Ghost is not a hit in the USA i highly doubt she will get a hit from first album because it's clearly the big hit on that album. Making a splash on the USA is difficult even if you are being successful in UK. Duffy sold a good bunch of albums in the USA but never had an impact on radio after Mercy failed to be the big hit expected, and it's the same for Adele, even before the Emmy's 19 was selling well, but Chasing pavements barely hit top 20 on hot ac. Duffy and Adele had older audiences, and that makes albums have an impact even without hits on them, Ella won't benefit of that. She is a teen and her album is a pop album. If Ghost fail (i think it won't, or at least right now it seems to look like a sizable hit) there are a lot of probabilities of not making any impact with the following singles, it happened before, and the fact that the new singles are unable to do a big impact on the UK's chart seem to confirm my theory. With a little luck it will be all speculation and Ghost will end being a hit, but even with that i'm not convinced that Glow or Yours will make any damage on the chart
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Post by jimmyt on Dec 10, 2014 17:37:44 GMT -5
Don't agree! There are plenty of great songs on the album. And Glow charted #7 and Yours has been in the top 10 on iTunes since its release 10 days ago. Depends what you call a 'hit' I suppose..... Glow peaked at 7 but dropped like a stone. If Ghost is not a hit in the USA i highly doubt she will get a hit from first album because it's clearly the big hit on that album. Making a splash on the USA is difficult even if you are being successful in UK. Duffy sold a good bunch of albums in the USA but never had an impact on radio after Mercy failed to be the big hit expected, and it's the same for Adele, even before the Emmy's 19 was selling well, but Chasing pavements barely hit top 20 on hot ac. Duffy and Adele had older audiences, and that makes albums have an impact even without hits on them, Ella won't benefit of that. She is a teen and her album is a pop album. If Ghost fail (i think it won't, or at least right now it seems to look like a sizable hit) there are a lot of probabilities of not making any impact with the following singles, it happened before, and the fact that the new singles are unable to do a big impact on the UK's chart seem to confirm my theory. With a little luck it will be all speculation and Ghost will end being a hit, but even with that i'm not convinced that Glow or Yours will make any damage on the chart What do you mean by 'a hit'? Glow was actually 5 weeks in the UK top 40, so didn't 'drop like a stone'.. It might do better in the US, but it wouldn't be my 1st choice as single #2. I'd go with Empire or even Missed..both of which could be 'hits' imo. In general Ella now has a decent profile in the US so single #2 will have a head start. I think you are being overly negative, but hey we will see! Peace!
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Post by surfy on Dec 10, 2014 17:49:48 GMT -5
Let us remember that Set Fire to the Rain wasn't a big hit in the UK, so... the UK is seriously irrelevant to the US market.
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Post by skizzo on Dec 10, 2014 17:54:09 GMT -5
5 weeks top 40 is dropping like a stone, sorry. But tbf, Glow isn't that good. There's better stuff to push as the 2nd single
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Post by howardessex on Dec 10, 2014 18:07:09 GMT -5
Well, they need to show tenacity because i think this is her only chance (for now). Even if this become a hit i'm not that sure she will have another hit on store (at least her last two singles didn't do that well on UK) If this become a hit ? I would say , as it stands now , it is a hit . Good airplay on pop and AC , top 10 I tunes , billboard top 40 , what more do you want . Many artists would be very happy to have the kind of success .
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Post by jimmyt on Dec 11, 2014 3:37:43 GMT -5
5 weeks top 40 is dropping like a stone, sorry. But tbf, Glow isn't that good. There's better stuff to push as the 2nd single Nope, 2 or 3 weeks maybe; 5 isn't that bad in the UK (look at The Saturdays, Union J, Rixton, Cheryl, Pixie...) As I said I wouldn't go with Glow either, although the the U.S. Market might like it more. anyways we are going off topic!
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Post by jjose712 on Dec 11, 2014 6:29:54 GMT -5
5 weeks top 40 is dropping like a stone, sorry. But tbf, Glow isn't that good. There's better stuff to push as the 2nd single Compare that with George Ezra's Blame it on me which has a similar peak and you'll clearly see the difference. Glow chart run {7}-17-24-39-51->5 Blame it on me chart run 56-61-43-27-20-10-7-{6}-9-13-12-12-16-21-28-27-24->17 Glow was released after a massive hit like Ghost, and clearly failed to be the follow up the label wanted. It was released at the peak of Ella's buzz. It's not a flop by any means, but it wasn't a big success, and the UK chart right now is quite different of ten years ago, right now a song is able to chart way more weeks into the top 40 if it's successful enough (there are a good bunch of songs with lowest peaks than Glow that stayed in the chart way longer) Of course USA reaction could be totally different, it won't be the first time a single that failed in the UK became a hit in the USA, Lights is the perfect example, but it's not usual. And i think it's quite clear that when i'm talking to Ghost becoming a hit i am talking about being a big hit able to carry sales for the album and big enough to make easy the following singles to chart in the tail of it's success, and right now Ghost is very far from being there (with a little luck it will be but it's not there yet). And of course they could go for different singles, what i say is that the chart runs of the current singles in the UK doesn't look that bright
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Post by Az Paynter on Dec 11, 2014 6:41:39 GMT -5
POP: 28 24 ELLA HENDERSON Ghost 3108 2324 784 11.894
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Post by jimmyt on Dec 11, 2014 9:27:57 GMT -5
5 weeks top 40 is dropping like a stone, sorry. But tbf, Glow isn't that good. There's better stuff to push as the 2nd single Compare that with George Ezra's Blame it on me which has a similar peak and you'll clearly see the difference. Glow chart run {7}-17-24-39-51->5 Blame it on me chart run 56-61-43-27-20-10-7-{6}-9-13-12-12-16-21-28-27-24->17 Glow was released after a massive hit like Ghost, and clearly failed to be the follow up the label wanted. It was released at the peak of Ella's buzz. It's not a flop by any means, but it wasn't a big success, and the UK chart right now is quite different of ten years ago, right now a song is able to chart way more weeks into the top 40 if it's successful enough (there are a good bunch of songs with lowest peaks than Glow that stayed in the chart way longer) Of course USA reaction could be totally different, it won't be the first time a single that failed in the UK became a hit in the USA, Lights is the perfect example, but it's not usual. And i think it's quite clear that when i'm talking to Ghost becoming a hit i am talking about being a big hit able to carry sales for the album and big enough to make easy the following singles to chart in the tail of it's success, and right now Ghost is very far from being there (with a little luck it will be but it's not there yet). And of course they could go for different singles, what i say is that the chart runs of the current singles in the UK doesn't look that bright Glow was released 1 week before the album- I dont think that is a 'peak' time, it charted #7 which is good- but sure its sales were below expectations and Id be surprised if they went with Glow for single #2 in the US. Yours was sales #10 and has been inside iTunes Top 10 for the best part of 2 weeks and is right now at #9. That's pretty good for a post album single. I think many artists would view top 10 as pretty 'bright' but hey you may have a different view of a 'hit'! --it will be interesting to see what single #2 will be... and when it will be released given the album is Jan 13th.
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Post by GHOST on Dec 11, 2014 9:55:01 GMT -5
Not liking todays update.
Glow and Yours are good. I hope they can both teach silver in the UK eventually. I would say that Ghost actually is still overshadowing both of them... its airplay is still top 15 in the UK. I wonder if she will get a 4th single there.
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Post by Pet Shop Boy on Dec 11, 2014 9:55:37 GMT -5
As a UK citizen I can confirm that Glow's chart performance was definitely a little disappointing, though hardly a disaster. The album still went to #1 and is selling well.
The main issue is that she did no promotion for it whatsoever. I think it's a great song, the only thing against it is that it perhaps sounded a little too 'European' for UK radio. A lot of people commented that it sounded like a Eurovision song.
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Post by surfy on Dec 11, 2014 13:02:10 GMT -5
Not liking todays update. Why? It's a good update!
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Post by Envoirment on Dec 11, 2014 15:01:24 GMT -5
Let us remember that Set Fire to the Rain wasn't a big hit in the UK, so... the UK is seriously irrelevant to the US market. It's one of the best-selling singles to not go top 10 and has gone platinum in the UK (600k+ and outselling many songs that have gone to #1/top 10). Also, "Glow" was most certainly a disappointment/flop in the UK, especially coming off the back of a monster hit. Spending only 5 weeks in the UK top 100 chart and not even selling 100k: {7}-17-24-39-51 Thankfully "Ghost" was still charting/having longevity and "Yours" seems like it'll do much better. Also, happy to see "Ghost" doing so well in the US. I never doubted it was going to do well, just needed a little patience. :) In terms of 2nd single, I'm not too sure. I don't think "Glow" would be a good choice. I like "Yours" and think it could be a small-moderate hit given the right momentum and promotion, but I honestly don't see any particularly strong single choices on the album following "Ghost". In saying that though, I would worry less about a second single at this point as "Ghost" has only really started to pick up.
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Post by Envoirment on Dec 11, 2014 15:07:03 GMT -5
The main issue is that she did no promotion for it whatsoever. It had plenty of promotion, the song itself just didn't really take off. She performed it on This Morning/The National Lottery/Radio 1 Live Lounge/Capital FM Live Session/BBC Radio 1 Teen Awards/Live At The London Palladium and Alan Carr Chatty Man. That's more than enough promotion for a single imo.
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Post by musiciscool on Dec 11, 2014 17:46:59 GMT -5
I for one would be glad to have "Yours" as the second single. It would probably do fairly well.
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Post by Az Paynter on Dec 12, 2014 6:56:07 GMT -5
POP: 26 23 ELLA HENDERSON Ghost 3192 2419 773 12.431
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Post by GHOST on Dec 12, 2014 23:47:42 GMT -5
POP:26 23 ELLA HENDERSON Ghost 3192 2419 773 12.431 +84 Spins -11 Bullet +0.537 Audience HOT AC:15 16 ELLA HENDERSON Ghost 2479 2206 273 13.425 +17 Spins -16 Bullet +0.060 Audience Lackluster update considering the previous days. Hopefully tomorrow's is better.
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Post by Az Paynter on Dec 13, 2014 6:40:58 GMT -5
^ Stop.
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Post by HEADOFTHEPACK on Dec 13, 2014 7:32:16 GMT -5
The problem for Glow in the UK was Ghost. As someone has said, Ghost is still getting a lot of airtime in the UK even though she's technically on her 3rd single - it's a BIG song here. The album's doing pretty well too, so it's not a bad problem to have!
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Post by jjose712 on Dec 13, 2014 8:26:58 GMT -5
The problem for Glow in the UK was Ghost. As someone has said, Ghost is still getting a lot of airtime in the UK even though she's technically on her 3rd single - it's a BIG song here. The album's doing pretty well too, so it's not a bad problem to have! The problem with Glow was Glow itself. I'm not the only one didn't have a proper release, Stay with me was huge, and the song did great anyway. The fact that Glow entered on the top 10 is prove people was interested in Ella's new material but it simply didn't work in the long time, it was the same with Rixton's Wait on me, John Newman's Cheating or Kiesza Giant in my heart. The album is doing well, but that wasn't in question, the question it was the follow up single in the USA and if she would have a chance of having a hit song if Ghost will fail to reach its potential. And no matter how Ghost ends, they need to do a better planification of the next release. It's not like she didn't do promo, because she did and in fact high quality promo, but for an unknown artist (unless you are lucky enough to creat buzz surrounding you with little effort) it's better to get known in smaller charts (like Ed Sheeran did or how George Ezra is doing) or at least release your song at the correct time synchronized with your promo, because Ghost stalled for a good while in the chart before the promo even started. Fortunately it had enough life to start to climb again because it would be a terrible waste of a great single to crack in the USA
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Post by mamaloveme on Dec 13, 2014 9:22:24 GMT -5
This will have great update next 2 days becoz the debut of the Countdown of top 40
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Post by jimmyt on Dec 13, 2014 10:30:33 GMT -5
Let us remember that Set Fire to the Rain wasn't a big hit in the UK, so... the UK is seriously irrelevant to the US market. It's one of the best-selling singles to not go top 10 and has gone platinum in the UK (600k+ and outselling many songs that have gone to #1/top 10). Also, "Glow" was most certainly a disappointment/flop in the UK, especially coming off the back of a monster hit. Spending only 5 weeks in the UK top 100 chart and not even selling 100k: .... Glow has sold over 100k in the UK (about 110k now) and is still selling 3-4k a week. That most certainly isnt a 'flop'. It was released the week before the album which didnt help and got blurred in album promo as well as Ghost remaining dominant. But I think we can all agree it shouldnt be single #2 in the US!
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Post by GHOST on Dec 13, 2014 14:13:37 GMT -5
^ Stop. POP:26 23 ELLA HENDERSON Ghost 3247 2532 715 12.745 +55 Spins -58 Bullet +0.314 Audience HOT AC:15 15 ELLA HENDERSON Ghost 2508 2244 264 13.435 +29 Spins -9 Bullet +0.010 Audience :)
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Post by ry4n on Dec 13, 2014 14:45:24 GMT -5
Singles being released one week before the album release is the common practice for most artists in the UK
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Post by Az Paynter on Dec 14, 2014 6:44:07 GMT -5
POP: 26 22 ELLA HENDERSON Ghost 3344 2623 721 13.247
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Post by GHOST on Dec 15, 2014 0:22:13 GMT -5
I wish this would pick up on iTunes a bit, currently #32.
Does anyone know it's current digital sales?
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Post by jimmyt on Dec 15, 2014 5:40:27 GMT -5
Yours is currently #57 on US iTunes... not quite sure whats going on with it, I guess some support to the album launch?
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Post by mamaloveme on Dec 15, 2014 6:15:39 GMT -5
Yours is currently #57 on US iTunes... not quite sure whats going on with it, I guess some support to the album launch? its like people preorder the album, including buying the song, which release earlier than the album, they will chart just like Taylor Swift, 1D did
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Post by Az Paynter on Dec 15, 2014 8:01:17 GMT -5
POP: 24 22 ELLA HENDERSON Ghost 3432 2775 657 13.821
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Post by Az Paynter on Dec 16, 2014 6:58:07 GMT -5
POP: 24 22 ELLA HENDERSON Ghost 3492 2914 578 14.102
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