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Post by kirkw on Feb 15, 2015 18:39:28 GMT -5
I still believe Chris Young has what it takes to graduate to "A" lister. It's really all about the material now. If the new stuff rises above or just matches his vocals, his star will rise to new heights. His talent is too good and he's re-established upward momentum.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2015 18:41:44 GMT -5
^ Is this really doing that poorly? It's within the Top 100 on iTunes all-genre, approaching the country airplay Top 10, and looks to have a fair shot at being a #2 or #1 when it's all said and done. I know it hasn't moved up the charts very quickly, but this is a third single from a solid B-lister. This has done just as well as I expected it to. Note I posted "What gives" about the Houser and Young tracks doing poorly way back on September 24. They both ended up doing well but I believe they are both worthy of number 1 which the slow climbs have hurt. Houser looks like he may have peaked at #5--he simply took too much time to crack the top 30 and that winds up hurting a song later down the road. I think "Lonely Eyes" has a pretty good chance at going #1 yet, if not top 3. Chris is up over 1.6 million in the last 6 days at Mediabase and with this one now top 10 (and it'll be top 10 on Monday's Billboard as well) it should start getting more conversions as stations push it up to heavy/power rotation. It's been a little bit of a slower and steady rise for Chris, but he's never been one to climb super quickly. Ultimately I think this song has been pretty successful for him and it should set him up nicely for his next album "era".
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Post by Kentucky25 on Feb 15, 2015 22:45:32 GMT -5
Note I posted "What gives" about the Houser and Young tracks doing poorly way back on September 24. They both ended up doing well but I believe they are both worthy of number 1 which the slow climbs have hurt. Houser looks like he may have peaked at #5--he simply took too much time to crack the top 30 and that winds up hurting a song later down the road. I think "Lonely Eyes" has a pretty good chance at going #1 yet, if not top 3. Chris is up over 1.6 million in the last 6 days at Mediabase and with this one now top 10 (and it'll be top 10 on Monday's Billboard as well) it should start getting more conversions as stations push it up to heavy/power rotation. It's been a little bit of a slower and steady rise for Chris, but he's never been one to climb super quickly. Ultimately I think this song has been pretty successful for him and it should set him up nicely for his next album "era". I think it goes without saying, but the fact the a song like "Like a Cowboy" is going to fizzle out with a Top 5 peak while "Sun Daze" is getting a week (at least) on top of the charts. I'm just pretty much sick of country radio because of this, which is just an isolated event of many.
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Post by dm2081 on Feb 15, 2015 23:05:59 GMT -5
Houser looks like he may have peaked at #5--he simply took too much time to crack the top 30 and that winds up hurting a song later down the road. I think "Lonely Eyes" has a pretty good chance at going #1 yet, if not top 3. Chris is up over 1.6 million in the last 6 days at Mediabase and with this one now top 10 (and it'll be top 10 on Monday's Billboard as well) it should start getting more conversions as stations push it up to heavy/power rotation. It's been a little bit of a slower and steady rise for Chris, but he's never been one to climb super quickly. Ultimately I think this song has been pretty successful for him and it should set him up nicely for his next album "era". I think it goes without saying, but the fact the a song like "Like a Cowboy" is going to fizzle out with a Top 5 peak while "Sun Daze" is getting a week (at least) on top of the charts. I'm just pretty much sick of country radio because of this, which is just an isolated event of many. "Sun Daze" might get the higher peak of the two songs, but overall "Like A Cowboy" has received more airplay due to it's extremely long run at country radio. So I wouldn't be too disgusted with this, because "Like A Cowboy" did probably better that it's expectations going into it's chart run.
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Post by Kentucky25 on Feb 15, 2015 23:33:10 GMT -5
I think it goes without saying, but the fact the a song like "Like a Cowboy" is going to fizzle out with a Top 5 peak while "Sun Daze" is getting a week (at least) on top of the charts. I'm just pretty much sick of country radio because of this, which is just an isolated event of many. "Sun Daze" might get the higher peak of the two songs, but overall "Like A Cowboy" has received more airplay due to it's extremely long run at country radio. So I wouldn't be too disgusted with this, because "Like A Cowboy" did probably better that it's expectations going into it's chart run. But, to casual fans, a number one looks better than airplay numbers and I just wish Randy could've got a week on top.
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Post by sabre14 on Feb 16, 2015 0:16:36 GMT -5
"Sun Daze" might get the higher peak of the two songs, but overall "Like A Cowboy" has received more airplay due to it's extremely long run at country radio. So I wouldn't be too disgusted with this, because "Like A Cowboy" did probably better that it's expectations going into it's chart run. But, to casual fans, a number one looks better than airplay numbers and I just wish Randy could've got a week on top. Let's see who has the bigger recurrent numbers a year from now. If Randy's song is played more often than FGL's then fans will remember "Like A Cowboy" more than "Sun Daze", especially if radio has more FGL hits to work into their playlists. BTW: Many friends I have couldn't even tell you if a song went to #1...and believe me, I've asked. I think "Lonely Eyes" and "Like A Cowboy" will be remembered more than "Sun Daze" down the road.
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Post by 43dudleyvillas on Feb 16, 2015 21:52:25 GMT -5
I really agree with what @daydrinker and .indulgecountry said above about A.M. unfolding as more of a placeholder era for Chris Young than one that advanced him commercially or creatively. I do really enjoy "Lonely Eyes," (its combination of yearning and chivalry is one that suits both the guy with such romance in his voice and the guy who stopped his show when he saw an "assclown" hit a woman) and "Text Me Texas" gives me the kind of soulful Chris Young singing that I prefer. But overall, the album was too much of a country radio trend-chaser at the expense of his considerable strengths as a vocalist and interpreter. I just posted in a different thread that 2015 seems like it may be a transitional year at country radio, and that there isn't really a dominant template for a hit in the current environment. I think that environment should free up artists like Chris Young to find/write & release the kind of music that define them, but a lot has to go right for that to work. I'm tempted to agree with dm2081 that Chris Young may never graduate to A-list status, but the voice-first part of me coupled with the potential he has shown on songs like "Drinkin' Me Lonely" and "The Shoebox" wants to believe otherwise. Although A.M. was mostly a step back in this regard, I still think that Chris Young has an individual personality worth showcasing and an individual viewpoint worth developing, one that could translate well in the market with the right songs. I really hope that it all comes together for him.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2015 15:31:33 GMT -5
Some interesting quotes from Gary Overton (CEO of Sony Nashville) in this Tennessean article: My guess is that the "summit meeting" that Overton refers to was for iHeartMedia, because Swedberg's station KEEY is an iHeartMedia one. I took Overton's quote to mean that Sony has high hopes of getting "Lonely Eyes" to #1, and that a lead single from Chris Young won't be too far off after "Lonely Eyes" peaks.
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Post by sabre14 on Feb 21, 2015 15:46:31 GMT -5
^ Yeah I expect a situation similar to Tyler Farr where as soon as "Whiskey In My Water" went recurrent, "A Guy Walks Into A Bar" was given an add date.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2015 15:46:54 GMT -5
^ Thanks for sharing the article jhomes87 I hate that he says "if you're not on country radio, you don't exist". Really? Then how come people like Brandy Clark and Sturgill Simpson are not only selling albums, but also were up for Grammys? And how come Aaron Watson's new album is selling surprisingly well? Explain that Overton.
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Post by onebuffalo on Feb 21, 2015 16:04:25 GMT -5
^ Thanks for sharing the article jhomes87 I hate that he says "if you're not on country radio, you don't exist". Really? Then how come people like Brandy Clark and Sturgill Simpson are not only selling albums, but also were up for Grammys? And how come Aaron Watson's new album is selling surprisingly well? Explain that Overton. Good post, zack97. I want Chris Young get a #1 here so I can move him from #121 to #97 on the list of those artists with the most #1s.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2015 16:05:52 GMT -5
^ Thanks for sharing the article jhomes87 I hate that he says "if you're not on country radio, you don't exist". Really? Then how come people like Brandy Clark and Sturgill Simpson are not only selling albums, but also were up for Grammys? And how come Aaron Watson's new album is selling surprisingly well? Explain that Overton. While I'm not a particular fan of Overton's quote, his main point was that, if an artist isn't on country radio, they can't become a superstar. And in that regard, he's more or less right. Artists like Brandy Clark and Sturgill Simpson have done very well making a name for themselves in addition to touring, selling albums, and garnering critical acclaim, but neither of them is a superstar and unfortunately neither of them will become a superstar without country radio. So in that regard, I do believe that Overton is correct. However, an artist like Sturgill is probably making much more money than artists like Frankie Ballard, Eric Paslay, and David Nail, who have all received moderate support from country radio (Sturgill has sold more albums than many new/new-ish/mid-tier country radio artists, and since Sturgill released his album independently, he doesn't have a label above him that is taking a lot of the earnings). Obviously all the record labels are looking for "the next big thing", but the truth is that the vast majority of artists on the radio never get past that C or B-list level. Randy Houser is not a superstar. Jake Owen isn't. Chris Young isn't. I'm not even sure that a group like Lady A is a superstar anymore. Artists like Carrie, Kenny, Miranda, Keith, Jason, Luke, FGL, Blake, Eric, ZBB, Tim...they are superstars and would not be superstars without country radio's support, and that was what Overton was saying. But again, most artists--even if they do get a good amount of airplay--never get that big.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2015 11:20:23 GMT -5
I really think this is the week "Lonely Eyes" needs to do a #1 push. "Homegrown" is closing in on this fast and will probably pass Chris by next Monday's Billboard chart. I hadn't realized how big a hit that Zac Brown Band song was shaping up to be. Southern Ground's promotion team only has one song on the whole chart to devote all their attention to, so I can definitely see the label mustering up a strong push for two weeks at #1 on both charts. It'll be tough for RCA to push a 31-week-old third single back ahead of a 9-week old lead single from an A-list band, so once Zac Brown Band jumps ahead I think Chris' chances of any kind of #1 may be out the window. The only opportunity for this to get to #1 is pushing back ahead of "Ain't Worth the Whiskey" on Mediabase this week. Then Cole and Chris can split this weekend's charts and Cole Swindell can get a second week at #1 on Billboard before ZBB takes over the following week.
I'm not sure this is RCA's plan, though. I suspect they may be trying a "wait and see" strategy in hopes of getting Chris Young his first Billboard #1 since "You," but in my opinion this strategy may end up screwing Chris Young out of a #1 altogether.
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Post by someguy on Mar 17, 2015 12:13:53 GMT -5
If "Lonely Eyes" doesn't make it to #1, I don't think it will be because of the label 'screwing them out of it'. I think it'll just be a case of an older, less popular song from a less popular artist peaking lower than a lead single from an A-list artist. If "Lonely Eyes" peaks at #2 or #3, I think that's far more indicative of its popularity than a #1 peak would.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2015 12:54:49 GMT -5
^I agree that this naturally should peak at #2 or #3, but what I meant was that the only chance Chris Young has for a "manufactured" #1 push seems like this week, so if RCA is trying to wait around to go up after Cole Swindell and/or Zac Brown Band, I think they will ultimately cause Chris to miss his one chance for a #1. I personally would love, however, to see three multi-week #1's from Cole Swindell, Zac Brown Band, and Sam Hunt and some Top 5 peaks from Chris Young, Darius Rucker, and Lee Brice. This would make the chart feel much more natural than the revolving door situation we've had over the past month. (We've now had three #1 songs in a row push for a second week at the top and fail completely.)
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Post by .indulgecountry on Mar 17, 2015 21:47:33 GMT -5
I'd love to see this hit #1 for a lot of reasons (love the song, Chris hasn't had a #1 on BB in three years), but I would rather it get to No. 1 more naturally than a big artificial push. Maybe they'll still have a chance at getting to #1, but after "Homegrown"?
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Post by Kari on Mar 18, 2015 13:35:23 GMT -5
Getting a #1 is important for an artist like Chris to add to his resume as he continues to be overlooked in the industry. He deserves the recognition. It baffles me still, that others, who sound like nails on a chalkboard get the acclaim over him. Just my opinion.
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Post by Marv on Mar 18, 2015 15:11:49 GMT -5
Regardless of whether he beats or follows the ZBB to #1, I really like this song, and his current CD is very enjoyable.
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Post by Daryl the Beryl on Mar 19, 2015 9:35:39 GMT -5
If they want to push this to #1, I suggest they wait until Zac Brown Band finishes it's peak. There is no point overtaking Cole Swindell as I think his label is also pushing for #1, and ZBB are moving too fast. I really want this to reach #1.
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Post by dm2081 on Mar 19, 2015 22:20:35 GMT -5
If they want to push this to #1, I suggest they wait until Zac Brown Band finishes it's peak. There is no point overtaking Cole Swindell as I think his label is also pushing for #1, and ZBB are moving too fast. I really want this to reach #1. I just don't see how they could wait out ZBB. Cole is getting to #1 this week, and I think WB will seriously push for a 2nd week because the audience and spin total by Sunday should leave enough room for growth (it will probably only be in low 40 million mark on BB). Then ZBB will be next, and their screaming up the charts, and would look to be #1 by the 11th or 12th chart week. I seriously doubt they'd be satisfied with just one week at #1, and with a new album out around the same time and radio eating that song up, it seems more likely they'll get a 2nd week on at least Billboard. So i'd say at minimum the next 3 weeks are occupied by Cole and ZBB, and with Chris already in the top 5 and with high enough airplay, and at over 200 days on MB already, I just can't see the label keeping the song afloat in the top 10 and top 5 for that long. I think Chris will have to settle for another #2 peak. All 3 of his singles this era have ran into some bad luck at the end of their chart runs.
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Post by Daryl the Beryl on Mar 19, 2015 22:32:16 GMT -5
If they want to push this to #1, I suggest they wait until Zac Brown Band finishes it's peak. There is no point overtaking Cole Swindell as I think his label is also pushing for #1, and ZBB are moving too fast. I really want this to reach #1. I just don't see how they could wait out ZBB. Cole is getting to #1 this week, and I think WB will seriously push for a 2nd week because the audience and spin total by Sunday should leave enough room for growth (it will probably only be in low 40 million mark on BB). Then ZBB will be next, and their screaming up the charts, and would look to be #1 by the 11th or 12th chart week. I seriously doubt they'd be satisfied with just one week at #1, and with a new album out around the same time and radio eating that song up, it seems more likely they'll get a 2nd week on at least Billboard. So i'd say at minimum the next 3 weeks are occupied by Cole and ZBB, and with Chris already in the top 5 and with high enough airplay, and at over 200 days on MB already, I just can't see the label keeping the song afloat in the top 10 and top 5 for that long. I think Chris will have to settle for another #2 peak. All 3 of his singles this era have ran into some bad luck at the end of their chart runs. :( in that case, I think this will peak at #2.
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Post by someguy on Mar 20, 2015 14:53:55 GMT -5
I just don't see how they could wait out ZBB. Cole is getting to #1 this week, and I think WB will seriously push for a 2nd week because the audience and spin total by Sunday should leave enough room for growth (it will probably only be in low 40 million mark on BB). Then ZBB will be next, and their screaming up the charts, and would look to be #1 by the 11th or 12th chart week. I seriously doubt they'd be satisfied with just one week at #1, and with a new album out around the same time and radio eating that song up, it seems more likely they'll get a 2nd week on at least Billboard. So i'd say at minimum the next 3 weeks are occupied by Cole and ZBB, and with Chris already in the top 5 and with high enough airplay, and at over 200 days on MB already, I just can't see the label keeping the song afloat in the top 10 and top 5 for that long. I think Chris will have to settle for another #2 peak. All 3 of his singles this era have ran into some bad luck at the end of their chart runs. :( in that case, I think this will peak at #2. That's my thought as well. I can't see it staying ahead of ZBB for much longer, and then I'd be shocked if "Lonely Eyes" was able to wait out "Homegrown", which feels like a multi-week #1 to me.
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Post by Kari on Mar 23, 2015 19:44:31 GMT -5
#2 on BB this week. It will be interesting to see what happens. I am still hopeful. Probably naive on my part.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2015 22:12:43 GMT -5
"Homegrown" was behind this by only a hair on tonight's chart (55,000 impressions). I'm 98% sure ZBB is already ahead of Chris Young on Billboard by now. I do think "Lonely Eyes" will get a final push this week, complete with collecting an extra spin on Lon Helton's syndicated countdown show at the end of the week, but I doubt it'll get the #1 on either chart. I'm still hoping WMN doesn't play nice with "Ain't Worth the Whiskey" and pushes for a second week at #1, and even if Cole does start falling this week (which would be much to my dismay), Chris Young and RCA are no match for ZBB's song.
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Post by onebuffalo on Mar 24, 2015 8:01:52 GMT -5
"Homegrown" was behind this by only a hair on tonight's chart (55,000 impressions). I'm 98% sure ZBB is already ahead of Chris Young on Billboard by now. I do think "Lonely Eyes" will get a final push this week, complete with collecting an extra spin on Lon Helton's syndicated countdown show at the end of the week, but I doubt it'll get the #1 on either chart. I'm still hoping WMN doesn't play nice with "Ain't Worth the Whiskey" and pushes for a second week at #1, and even if Cole does start falling this week (which would be much to my dismay), Chris Young and RCA are no match for ZBB's song. I agree. Chris Young is looking at his second #2 hit following Who I Am With You. The Zac Brown Band is just super hot at this time.
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Post by Daryl the Beryl on Mar 25, 2015 3:35:34 GMT -5
For now... Billboard Real Time Tracker
Country No.1 Chris Young Lonely Eyes +9110 Jason Aldean Tonight Looks Good On You
I don't expect this to last until Sunday. I really expect Zac Brown and company to overtake this song for #1, or Cole Swindell remain at #1.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2015 8:46:45 GMT -5
For now... Billboard Real Time Tracker Country No.1 Chris Young Lonely Eyes +9110 Jason Aldean Tonight Looks Good On You I don't expect this to last until Sunday. I really expect Zac Brown and company to overtake this song for #1, or Cole Swindell remain at #1. I don't expect either Chris, Cole, or ZBB to be #1. Darius is up almost 1 million on MB this morning, so I'd actually be quite shocked if "Homegrown Honey" weren't #1 on the Billboard RTT tomorrow already.
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Post by Zazie on Mar 25, 2015 9:35:38 GMT -5
For now... Billboard Real Time Tracker Country No.1 Chris Young Lonely Eyes +9110 Jason Aldean Tonight Looks Good On You I don't expect this to last until Sunday. I really expect Zac Brown and company to overtake this song for #1, or Cole Swindell remain at #1. I don't expect either Chris, Cole, or ZBB to be #1. Darius is up almost 1 million on MB this morning, so I'd actually be quite shocked if "Homegrown Honey" weren't #1 on the Billboard RTT tomorrow already. One other possibility: Maybe what you say will only happen on MB, while on Billboard ZBB will manage to fend off Darius. It's not as if ZBB has slowed much, and Darius was 1.7 mill behind ZBB on the 4/4 BB chart. Naturally your version of the coming week makes a lot of sense, but I think there's still a possibility that Darius won't feel it necessary to push so hard for the dual #1 when he can settle back and enjoy the MB crown with much less effort. Sam Hunt, Dierks Bentley, Urban/Church -- they're all going up like crazy too. It's silly season this week at country radio. Whatever happens, it does look as if Chris will be left in the dust. At least it will be entertaining watching the speed of Rucker's descent once the song starts falling.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2015 9:49:04 GMT -5
One other possibility: Maybe what you say will only happen on MB, while on Billboard ZBB will manage to fend off Darius. It's not as if ZBB has slowed much, and Darius was 1.7 mill behind ZBB on the 4/4 BB chart. Naturally your version of the coming week makes a lot of sense, but I think there's still a possibility that Darius won't feel it necessary to push so hard for the dual #1 when he can settle back and enjoy the MB crown with much less effort. Sam Hunt, Dierks Bentley, Urban/Church -- they're all going up like crazy too. It's silly season this week at country radio. Whatever happens, it does look as if Chris will be left in the dust. At least it will be entertaining watching the speed of Rucker's descent once the song starts falling. You know, I had thought of this as well, and admittedly when I made my post, I had forgotten that there was a bit more distance between the songs on Billboard. I was only looking at how close the they were to each other on Mediabase. So I hope this happens, because if Darius gets to #1 on Mediabase this Sunday and then has a big negative update on Monday morning, we could see ZBB take over the Billboard #1 on Monday and finally snap this ridiculous streak of one-week #1's (on BB, not MB). And of course, in my mind, Darius' song wouldn't be a #1 hit then, because I just can't take Mediabase seriously. Of course, Billboard's almost as silly, but I've always followed their chart and I like that their history goes back into the 1940's (and yes, of course I know that airplay wasn't electronically monitored until 1990, but still--there's a lot more history to BB than MB, and I like ranking songs by audience instead of crazy points). I will honestly take pleasure in watching Darius fall like a rock next week. I'm hoping he'll get stuck to a #2 peak on Billboard, and then fall all the way out of the top 10 on Monday the 6th.
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Post by sabre14 on Mar 30, 2015 19:31:48 GMT -5
RCA has a max spins add and are going for #1 this week according to Country Aircheck tonight. The problem is that Chris was out gained in audience today by both ZBB and Sam (who's ahead), even though "Lonely Eyes" edged out ZBB by 11 extra spins. Plus (bigger problem for RCA) Chris is roughly 550 points behind Sam and 1500 points behind ZBB, so I just can't envision ZBB or Sam's labels allowing Chris to leap them this week on MB, especially when Chris is still 368 spins behind ZBB as of Monday and I don't see "Homegrown" falling this week.
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