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Post by sabre14 on Mar 25, 2015 13:22:35 GMT -5
Donuts!!! Free concert tickets for your listeners!! Just get us to #1, please! Cole had his turn last week, it's our turn now!! Even though Jamie's being funny here, it's 100% true. It's a loop hole around a true payloa. I truly believe most people at radio aren't concerned enough to care about morals with a revolving door at #1 - to them it's not important as it is to us. They're friends with many people who promote these singles and to them they're just helping out their friends. It's all about keeping everyone as happy as possible in the world of big money business and if it comes at the expense of some undeserving #1's, then so be it. This "nonsense" will continue til we're blue in the face. I'd like to add that this is not a problem in labels, radio's or most fans eyes. The labels and artists get to call their respective songs #1's. The promotional department get their job done and are satisfied; and radio stations get to give their listeners more spins of their favorite songs (most fans do want to hear these top 5 songs often), pulse keep the people within the industry happy, so everyone wins. Unfortunately people like myself, jhomes87, Zazie, @daydrinker, dm2081, and some select others who are passionate about the charts and the industry feel empty inside as it tarnishes the accomplishment of getting to #1. I used to hate the days where "As Good As I Once Was" and "That's What I Love About Sunday" spent 5 or 6 weeks at #1, but man how I long for those days again.
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Post by onebuffalo on Mar 25, 2015 13:34:11 GMT -5
I desperately hope this falls short of #1. This just doesn't seem like a #1 hit or anything close to it. I'm honestly very surprised its made it this far instead of stalling outside the top 10. This is probably my least favorite Darius single ever, so I really hope his album is much better than this single. You have nothing to worry about here. H-squared will come close, but not top the chart.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2015 13:56:17 GMT -5
I desperately hope this falls short of #1. This just doesn't seem like a #1 hit or anything close to it. I'm honestly very surprised its made it this far instead of stalling outside the top 10. This is probably my least favorite Darius single ever, so I really hope his album is much better than this single. You have nothing to worry about here. H-squared will come close, but not top the chart. Um, this isn't true. Darius has a very good chance of topping both the Billboard and Mediabase charts, thanks to a huge push it's currently receiving from Capitol Nashville. When a song has such a monster update (like it did today), but someone doesn't want to see it top the charts, telling them not to worry doesn't make any sense.
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Post by dm2081 on Mar 26, 2015 16:56:07 GMT -5
Darius out gained Zac Brown Band by some spins today, but ZBB was able to keep the audience total extremely close. Provided that ZBB can keep matching Darius' song is audience gains, I think we will see a split on MB and BB this week, with "Homegrown Honey" getting to #1 on MB, and "Homegrown" getting to #1 on BB. Have we ever had two songs finishing 1-2 before with such similar titles?
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Post by someguy on Mar 26, 2015 17:00:08 GMT -5
I hope that the ZBB can somehow hold off this outrageous push by Darius. Others have already said how I feel, but this is ridiculous. This song should have peaked outside the top 10 months ago, and now it has a good chance of going down as a #1 hit. This 'everyone gets a turn at #1' thing is getting so old.
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Post by onebuffalo on Mar 26, 2015 17:36:26 GMT -5
Darius out gained Zac Brown Band by some spins today, but ZBB was able to keep the audience total extremely close. Provided that ZBB can keep matching Darius' song is audience gains, I think we will see a split on MB and BB this week, with "Homegrown Honey" getting to #1 on MB, and "Homegrown" getting to #1 on BB. Have we ever had two songs finishing 1-2 before with such similar titles? I'll try to find some that peaked in the top two together, but in 2010, two examples come to mind. They are: In March, American Honey by Lady Antebellum was at #10 while Brad Paisley's American Saturday Night was at #9. In June, Keep On Lovin' You by Steel Magnolia was at #7 while Reba McEntire's I Keep On Loving You was at #12.
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Post by sabre14 on Mar 26, 2015 18:13:09 GMT -5
I hope that the ZBB can somehow hold off this outrageous push by Darius. Others have already said how I feel, but this is ridiculous. This song should have peaked outside the top 10 months ago, and now it has a good chance of going down as a #1 hit. This 'everyone gets a turn at #1' thing is getting so old. I do too but I'm still pessimistic about it. I know the spin and audience gains were virtually identical today, but Darius has still out gained ZBB by about 600k in audience since Sunday and nearly 160 spins, so "Homegrown Honey" topping the MB chart is all but sealed. What's doubly unfortunate is Darius' album comes out on Tuesday and the way "Homegrown Honey's" gains have gone this week, I can definitely see Capitol laying on the lead foot to the finish line on Monday for #1 on both charts. The only way that doesn't happen is if ZBB can keep pace from here on in like dm2081 said, since the only saving grace is that ZBB was up about 1.7 million on Darius on Monday (23rd). I do feel Capitol Nashville is fully invested here though and their goal is #1 on both charts to coincide with Darius' album hitting stores Tuesday. I'm already upset about the MB chart being lost, but both charts would be horrible.
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Post by Markus Meyer on Mar 26, 2015 18:25:02 GMT -5
If this goes #1, it will truly be a disgrace to the genre, and not because this song is completely embarrasing (IMO of course). It's because the sales haven't been good, and really, this should have been an 8-10 peak AT BEST, and even that's debatable.
This is worse than when Eric Paslay got a mediabase #1 with "Friday Night". This is worse than any artificial push over the past few years. Ugh.
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Post by onebuffalo on Mar 26, 2015 18:41:58 GMT -5
If this goes #1, it will truly be a disgrace to the genre, and not because this song is completely embarrasing (IMO of course). It's because the sales haven't been good, and really, this should have been an 8-10 peak AT BEST, and even that's debatable. This is worse than when Eric Paslay got a mediabase #1 with "Friday Night". This is worse than any artificial push over the past few years. Ugh. Not like Give It All We Got Tonight (#1 MediaBase-just for sabre14 and #2 Billboard)?
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Post by Markus Meyer on Mar 26, 2015 18:43:39 GMT -5
If this goes #1, it will truly be a disgrace to the genre, and not because this song is completely embarrasing (IMO of course). It's because the sales haven't been good, and really, this should have been an 8-10 peak AT BEST, and even that's debatable. This is worse than when Eric Paslay got a mediabase #1 with "Friday Night". This is worse than any artificial push over the past few years. Ugh. Not like Give It All We Got Tonight (#1 MediaBase-just for sabre14 and #2 Billboard)? Hmm.. Yeah, you could make a case there. But even then, it sold platinum, whereas here, it probably won't even go gold.
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Post by sabre14 on Mar 26, 2015 18:46:22 GMT -5
If this goes #1, it will truly be a disgrace to the genre, and not because this song is completely embarrasing (IMO of course). It's because the sales haven't been good, and really, this should have been an 8-10 peak AT BEST, and even that's debatable. This is worse than when Eric Paslay got a mediabase #1 with "Friday Night". This is worse than any artificial push over the past few years. Ugh. Not like Give It All We Got Tonight (#1 MediaBase-just for sabre14 and #2 Billboard)? It shouldn't have gotten to #2 on Billboard either BTW. It probably should have peaked outside the top 5 on both charts.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2015 21:14:07 GMT -5
Not quite sure I see the uproar over this one. It seems folks here on Pulse don't really like it. Personally, I do.
It has hit #6 on the Hot Country chart and #55 on the all-genre which is perfectly in line with plenty of other non-A-lister songs that have hit country airplay #1. It is also selling "okay" on iTunes.
Now if you want to discuss everything that is wrong with Billboard and radio and politics then by all means. But to say this song isn't performing in line with most of the other top 5, top 3 or even chart-topping songs in the past couple years wouldn't exactly be accurate.
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Post by tim on Mar 26, 2015 22:34:18 GMT -5
Not quite sure I see the uproar over this one. It seems folks here on Pulse don't really like it. Personally, I do. I agree with this sentiment. I've enjoyed this light-hearted tune for a while and it still hasn't tired on me. I'm rooting for a number one single here myself and am not the least bit unhappy with its push. For better or worse, this song is like a jolly rancher to my ears .
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Post by sabre14 on Mar 26, 2015 23:33:11 GMT -5
Not quite sure I see the uproar over this one. It seems folks here on Pulse don't really like it. Personally, I do. It has hit #6 on the Hot Country chart and #55 on the all-genre which is perfectly in line with plenty of other non-A-lister songs that have hit country airplay #1. It is also selling "okay" on iTunes. Now if you want to discuss everything that is wrong with Billboard and radio and politics then by all means. But to say this song isn't performing in line with most of the other top 5, top 3 or even chart-topping songs in the past couple years wouldn't exactly be accurate. I think most here, if not all, don't take the fact they don't like the song (including myself) into consideration when determining that this push is ridiculous. It's sales have increased as it has gotten higher on the airplay chart which happens most of the time. What's funny is that "Homegrown Honey" hasn't been performing like a normal top 5 or top 3 hit for most of it's chart run. When this song entered the MB top 20 back on November 3rd, it had a fairly nice ride to that point. But the teens is where it really had some struggles. "Homegrown Honey" took 13 weeks to get from #18 to #10. From November 10th to February 17th (excluding the two weeks during the holidays), it averaged just 480 points a week, 164 gained spins a week, and 1.2 million in audience gained a week, over 12 weeks - including one week where it lost both points and audience on December 1st. But since it has gone inside the top 10, this song found a gear that simply was not there before. If you don't count this week, "Homegrown Honey" has averaged 1,455 points a week, 424 spins gained a week, and 2.8 million in audience gained. Plus the 3.2 million in audience and 440 spins gained over five days so far this week - Quite the difference from it's average performance in the teens, where it ate up nearly three months of its chart run. This song is also 33 weeks old too. Now obviously, songs tend to get a bigger boost in airplay when the reach the top 5, but this song gaining this much audience at this rate, this late into its run is pretty unfortunate to me, especially since it's out pacing a song in "Homegrown" that's just 11 weeks old (three times less weeks to reach this point) and has had considerably better sales. "Homegrown Honey" deserves to be a sizable hit, but doesn't deserve to get a massive push that's seen it gain 10.5 million in audience on MB over the past 19 days.
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Post by Daryl the Beryl on Mar 27, 2015 6:10:48 GMT -5
#1 on Mediabase
5 1 DARIUS RUCKER Homegrown Honey 7802 7036 766 60.185
I expect this to get the MB #1, but not the BB #1.
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Post by Daryl the Beryl on Mar 27, 2015 6:21:36 GMT -5
Hey look, jhomes87! You're prediction was eventually right... for now. Billboard Real Time Tracker: Country No.1 Darius Rucker Homegrown Honey +18297 Jason Aldean Tonight Looks Good On You
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Post by Zazie on Mar 27, 2015 11:54:03 GMT -5
Even though this is #1 on the RTT, my projections have the two songs heading toward very similar final audience totals on BB. And the other set of projections I have seen give ZBB a 500k margin of victory on BB. This is in the "too close to call" category.
What I'm hoping for is that Darius plunges hard on the Monday morning numbers, having already scored his #1 on the MB chart the day before.
At this point, I don't know what's going to happen, and I'm down to my own distaste for this push (and this song) as my main source of hoping for a particular result. Go away, Darius. You're getting your #1, now leave the rest to Zac.
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Post by sabre14 on Mar 27, 2015 13:19:23 GMT -5
Even though this is #1 on the RTT, my projections have the two songs heading toward very similar final audience totals on BB. And the other set of projections I have seen give ZBB a 500k margin of victory on BB. This is in the "too close to call" category. What I'm hoping for is that Darius plunges hard on the Monday morning numbers, having already scored his #1 on the MB chart the day before. At this point, I don't know what's going to happen, and I'm down to my own distaste for this push (and this song) as my main source of hoping for a particular result. Go away, Darius. You're getting your #1, now leave the rest to Zac. Capitol's pushing for #1 on both charts - I'm about 90% sure. Normally I would agree about them being satisfied for the MB #1, but Darius' album comes out Tuesday and he has already taken the MB lead on Friday, and is now #1 on Billboard's RTT. Capitol has invested a lot of time, resources and money already, so one more day won't be that big of a hassle to them. I still give ZBB a shot to get some work done over the weekend, and maybe by Sunday, Capitol changes gears, but I'm preparing myself for "Homegrown Honey" to get #1 on both charts.
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Post by Ten Pound Hammer on Mar 27, 2015 13:20:50 GMT -5
So the odds are good that ZBB and Darius will both get #1 on BB? ZBB seems to be climbing way too fast to be denied on BB.
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Post by sabre14 on Mar 27, 2015 13:22:05 GMT -5
So the odds are good that ZBB and Darius will both get #1 on BB? ZBB seems to be climbing way too fast to be denied on BB. Oh, I think ZBB's getting to #1 on both charts, it's just that it might have to wait a week longer than it should. The wild card is "Take Your Time" though. We should have a clearer view by Monday to what will ultimately happen with #1 on the 5th and 6th.
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Post by dm2081 on Mar 27, 2015 15:00:33 GMT -5
The question is why didn't "Lonely Eyes" get a push this week instead? I know Darius has his album coming out Tuesday so it makes sense, but Chris was already #2 on BB. He seemed close enough that the push wouldn't have been as absurd as Darius', but now Chris will fall back to #3 or even a chance of falling to #4.
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Post by sabre14 on Mar 27, 2015 15:31:29 GMT -5
The question is why didn't "Lonely Eyes" get a push this week instead? I know Darius has his album coming out Tuesday so it makes sense, but Chris was already #2 on BB. He seemed close enough that the push wouldn't have been as absurd as Darius', but now Chris will fall back to #3 or even a chance of falling to #4. I think RCA had little confidence they could get it done since Capitol has made it clear the past three weeks that they would go for this push. Plus ZBB's song is a very big hit and that would make Chris' road even tougher. Not all of these songs can push for #1 the same week so my guess is RCA saw the writing on the wall here and aren't as concerned since I'm fairly certain they have a lead single coming after "Lonely Eyes" is finished. Looking at the numbers, "Lonely Eyes" has fallen well behind Darius and ZBB in both spins and points on MB.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2015 16:36:09 GMT -5
I don't think there's any way this could be #4 on BB this week. Sam Hunt is not gaining on Chris at a rate fast enough to close the 3 million gap by Monday and Cole Swindell will definitely fall below, so we should see Darius Rucker at #1, ZBB at #2, and Chris Young at #3 on the next Billboard airplay chart. RCA really wants that #1 and could very soon have no songs left on the chart, so I think they'll push for #1 next week. It may be too late to re-pass ZBB on Billboard and RCA is a weaker label than Capitol Nashville so maybe Chris Young will get a Mediabase-only #1 and ZBB will get the two weeks after Darius Rucker at #1 on Billboard.
To be honest, I have a bad taste in my mouth from this whole situation. I feel like these labels make half my posts here at Pulse absolutely useless because there's virtually no point in discussing the charts when everyone ends up getting to #1 like this. I'd actually blame the radio stations more than the labels. It's a label's job to work their music to radio and if programmers allow them to get spins in exchange for favors, then it'd be silly and impractical to expect the labels to not engage in this sort of "payola" simply because they have an ideological objection to it. The radio stations, however, are responsible for playing the music the listeners want to hear the most and they are ultimately the gatekeepers of what gets played, so I'm more frustrated with country radio than anyone or anything else.
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Post by sabre14 on Mar 27, 2015 16:43:59 GMT -5
To be honest, I have a bad taste in my mouth from this whole situation. I feel like these labels make half my posts here at Pulse absolutely useless because there's virtually no point in discussing the charts when everyone ends up getting to #1 like this. I'd actually blame the radio stations more than the labels. It's a label's job to work their music to radio and if programmers allow them to get spins in exchange for favors, then it'd be silly and impractical to expect the labels to not engage in this sort of "payola" simply because they have an ideological objection to it. The radio stations, however, are responsible for playing the music the listeners want to hear the most and they are ultimately the gatekeepers of what gets played, so I'm more frustrated with country radio than anyone or anything else. The biggest problem is radio themselves. The people who are hired to work songs to radio do this for a living and are just doing what their job entails. The real reason this happens (and I've brought this up multiple times) is that there are built up relationships with labels and radio. These stations are just helping out their friends and allowing them to get their job done. There's no integrity to either side when it comes to "manufactured" or "manipulated" #1's - I don't think labels or radio are concerned about that, or even think it's a major problem like we do here. Maybe I shouldn't indulge my myself so much into the charts anymore or take any of my time to being in depth into the music and radio industry cause it can make you very angry at times like this. Maybe I'll feel different if I had a direct hand into something like this and I would look at it differently - who knows. But looking at a situation like this, or Eric Paslay's "Friday Night" push from early 2014, makes me shake my head.
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Post by Daryl the Beryl on Mar 28, 2015 6:18:06 GMT -5
Not #1 on RTT anymore, let's see whether this changes again
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Post by Zazie on Mar 28, 2015 9:51:04 GMT -5
I posted here and on the C Young thread that I thought MB would belong to Darius and BB to Zac this week. And as of this morning the RTT has Zac at #1 -- but it's still impossible to be sure of the finish. Darius outgained Zac by about 450k on MB this morning, and there are still 2 days to go in the Billboard chart week so there's time for Darius to get both #1's. My original logic involved Darius being willing to settle for the MB #1, and therefore falling on Monday morning. Now I can't be confident in that.
I'll give Darius a 40% chance to get the BB #1 in addition to MB. That makes the outcome definitely "too close to call."
How hard will Darius' song fall when it does? Can we see a rate of 3 million a day in audience loss? How about 4 mill? Radio's going to drop this in a most impressive way. Unfortunately there aren't enough songs with big audience numbers on Billboard, or we could see our first-ever song going recurrent from #1. And I'd have to say he deserves the "honor."
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Post by rsmatto on Mar 28, 2015 9:55:43 GMT -5
IMO, this song needs to just go away already. I downloaded the single in August 2014 (on the same day that Blake Shelton's "Neon Light" was released to iTunes). (Yeah, two songs with a lot of repeated lyrics.) I like Darius Rucker, but no way would I compare this song to a #1 song like "Wagon Wheel". I am not even sure that it is as good as his top 5 "Radio". I was looking forward to March 31st to buy his new CD. I hope there are MUCH MUCH MUCH better tracks on the CD. It's a pretty tempo-driven, feel good album. The track with Mallary Hope, the title track, "so I sang" and "you can have charleston" are the best. The title track is likely the second single while the song with Mallary and "So I Sang" likely fight for third single. As for this being a soft seller, it's not completely unexpected. Darius has never been a superstar sales wise outside of ""Wagon Wheel." Also I think the slow "push" was due to trying for the old release week #1 to,try and goose the sales. He might struggle to sell 30k the opening week.
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Post by sabre14 on Mar 28, 2015 10:01:01 GMT -5
Zazie Kwrob didn't update today, at least not yet for some reason. The numbers you're looking at are from yesterday. Unless I'm the only one who it didn't update for. Otherwise, I agree completely with your post. I expect "Homegrown Honey" to fall in a similar fashion to the way "Whiskey In My Water" or "Southern Comfort Zone" did.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2015 10:16:10 GMT -5
Zazie Kwrob didn't update today, at least not yet for some reason. The numbers you're looking at are from yesterday. Unless I'm the only one who it didn't update for. Kworb hasn't updated yet, but Mediabase has, and so I think Zazie's right. Darius' gain today was 426k bigger than ZBB's was. Darius gained 706k this morning, and ZBB only gained 280k. But the fact that ZBB has taken over the Billboard RTT is somewhat comforting then, especially since they did so on a day when Darius easily out-gained them on MB. That leads me to believe that Darius and Capitol's efforts are especially focused on Mediabase. I agree that it's too close to call, but I guess what I am saying is that you would think the song that was tracking at #1 yesterday (Darius) and out-gained its closest competitor by over 400k on MB today would have remained #1 on the RTT. But Darius didn't, which means that a lot of his gains might be Mediabase-only...which in turn might signal a #1 push on Mediabase only.
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Post by sabre14 on Mar 28, 2015 10:20:38 GMT -5
Zazie Kwrob didn't update today, at least not yet for some reason. The numbers you're looking at are from yesterday. Unless I'm the only one who it didn't update for. Kworb hasn't updated yet, but Mediabase has, and so I think Zazie's right. Darius' gain today was 426k bigger than ZBB's was. Darius gained 706k this morning, and ZBB only gained 280k. But the fact that ZBB has taken over the Billboard RTT is somewhat comforting then, especially since they did so on a day when Darius easily out-gained them on MB. That leads me to believe that Darius and Capitol's efforts are especially focused on Mediabase. I agree that it's too close to call, but I guess what I am saying is that you would think the song that was tracking at #1 yesterday (Darius) and out-gained its closest competitor by over 400k on MB today would have remained #1 on the RTT. But Darius didn't, which means that a lot of his gains might be Mediabase-only...which in turn might signal a #1 push on Mediabase only. Monday's the day though. I give ZBB a 70% chance of being #1 on BB. If Capitol decides to shift all focus on BB after the MB #1 is official, then we could really see a race that might be to close to call until late Monday afternoon.
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