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Post by theflying on Nov 9, 2014 18:21:36 GMT -5
Okay but I need to correct something: My analysis of the song's performance isn't tied to whether I like the song. I don't think the song WORKS for America, and I don't think it's connecting.
I like Charli XCX. Loved Boom Clap and SuperLove. I want her to do well. There's no interior motive going on, I just question the lyrics in this song. And this is even after hearif her talking about how the best pop songs are dumb as hell, in the behind the scenes for the video for it.
The song is marketed towards teens, primarily. That is the MOST lingo-centric demographic out there. The chorus' lyrics are awkward.
Compare the lingo in this song to the lingo used in All About That Bass. There are many reasons All About That Bass was a smash hit, but one of the core reasons that song came together comes from Meghan a Trainor herself saying "At the time, my slang was saying how I was all about everything." The lingo in that song works and makes it feel new and refreshing and current.
Teens don't put on their dancing shoes and go to a discotech to get high and wrecked, so it's kind of hard to create an anthem out of that.
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Post by kanimal on Nov 9, 2014 20:12:59 GMT -5
Care to elaborate? I literally have no idea what you're referring to in how certain songs have buzz but this doesn't. You don't hear anyone talking about Charli XCX's new single. Bea has become a hot topic and has gotten the attention of the industry, Nico & Vinz and Bebe are experiencing big marketed radio stations playing the songs and they're both climbing the charts, this song is doing the same thing, but it's getting spins from smaller markets. Anyways, just wait until after promo is over and THEN we can say it's not connecting, just because you don't like a song doesn't mean it isn't connecting for other people when they have the opportunity to hear it. But isn't that a bad sign? That the follow-up to one of the biggest songs of the year, which was itself a pseudo-follow-up to the biggest song of the first 8 months of the year, isn't getting any talk? That a song that is heard by 8 million pop listeners/week isn't at all on the radar? Shouldn't everyone have been dying to hear the follow-up to Boom Clap? None of those acts should be more on the radar than Charli XCX. Bea Miller is literally only getting buzz because of her song (and I'd hardly say she has more "attention of the industry" than Charli XCX), which is reaching less than 33% of the audience that Break the Rules gets. And because of some support from Demi Lovato (but Charli XCX has plenty of famous friends too). Bebe Rexha is a nobody in the industy - she has one major writing credit (but we saw that a zillion major writing credits meant nothing for Bonnie McKee) and is coming off a feature that was far smaller than Boom Clap and Fancy. Nico and Vinz' "Am I Wrong" ~ Charli XCX's "Boom Clap," so the deck should be equal there. Hell, MisterWives' "Reflections" is selling better - and that's barely making a dent at alt radio, not even yet a factor at pop radio, and received a Kimmel appearance more than a month ago and an MTV sync two weeks ago that was seen by ~700K people. You keep using nebulous terms like "promo" - but getting support from major market radio stations (including KIIS, which was one of the first to add it) and getting 8+ million listens a week is far bigger "promo" than a performance on Late Night with Seth Meyers that would draw about 2 million viewers. The video and song also got write-ups from every major music publication, which also constitutes "promo." Radio = among the most important "promo" you can get. And that's also the only reason the other acts you mentioned have "buzz" -- people heard the songs and are buying them. I'm on record as LIKING "Break the Rules," so I want this to succeed. And I'm liking the recent updates (aka - I think it's silly to act like this song is dead). But we also have to be realistic - there is something about Charli XCX's music that is not driving people to buy it. "Boom Clap" was a multi-format hit, a multi-week pop #1 with plenty of promo, and it never did anything special from a sales standpoint. This one is receiving more than enough radio airplay to reach the Top 150 on iTunes, and it's not there. Even if this ends up becoming a top 5 pop radio hit, I think we're going to look back and wonder why it didn't sell as well as it should have.
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Post by surfy on Nov 9, 2014 20:22:05 GMT -5
You don't hear anyone talking about Charli XCX's new single. Bea has become a hot topic and has gotten the attention of the industry, Nico & Vinz and Bebe are experiencing big marketed radio stations playing the songs and they're both climbing the charts, this song is doing the same thing, but it's getting spins from smaller markets. Anyways, just wait until after promo is over and THEN we can say it's not connecting, just because you don't like a song doesn't mean it isn't connecting for other people when they have the opportunity to hear it. But isn't that a bad sign? That the follow-up to one of the biggest songs of the year, which was itself a pseudo-follow-up to the biggest song of the first 8 months of the year, isn't getting any talk? That a song that is heard by 8 million pop listeners/week isn't at all on the radar? Shouldn't everyone have been dying to hear the follow-up to Boom Clap? None of those acts should be more on the radar than Charli XCX. Bea Miller is literally only getting buzz because of her song (and I'd hardly say she has more "attention of the industry" than Charli XCX), which is reaching less than 33% of the audience that Break the Rules gets. And because of some support from Demi Lovato (but Charli XCX has plenty of famous friends too). Bebe Rexha is a nobody in the industy - she has one major writing credit (but we saw that a zillion major writing credits meant nothing for Bonnie McKee) and is coming off a feature that was far smaller than Boom Clap and Fancy. Nico and Vinz' "Am I Wrong" ~ Charli XCX's "Boom Clap," so the deck should be equal there. You keep using nebulous terms like "promo" - but getting support from major market radio stations (including KIIS, which was one of the first to add it) and getting 8+ million listens a week is far bigger "promo" than a performance on Late Night with Seth Meyers that would draw about 2 million viewers. Radio = among the most important "promo" you can get. And that's also the only reason the other acts you mentioned have "buzz" -- people heard the songs and are buying them. I'm on record as LIKING "Break the Rules," so I want this to succeed. And I'm liking the recent updates (aka - I think it's silly to act like this song is dead). But we also have to be realistic - there is something about Charli XCX's music that is not driving people to buy it. "Boom Clap" was a multi-format hit, a multi-week pop #1 with plenty of promo, and it never did anything special from a sales standpoint. This one is receiving more than enough radio airplay to reach the Top 150 on iTunes, and it's not there. Even if this ends up becoming a top 5 pop radio hit, I think we're going to look back and wonder why it didn't sell as well as it should have. Sometimes it is a bad sign, and sometimes people have simply not heard of it yet. And "Boom Clap" wasn't a huge seller like you'd think, it was mainly radio fueling her chart run. Who are you to assess who gets attention and who doesn't? People may just like a song but that doesn't make them a fan or interested in a singer. And Bea has attention of the people for having such an interesting sound, and yeah she's getting buzz for her SONG. Which is why it's rising up on iTunes... doesn't matter how much audience it's reaching, as we've proven. Charli released this song so quietly that no one has paid attention, it doesn't mean people don't like it necessarily. I understand radio is important, but on smaller markets it really doesn't do much use. I'm waiting to see, you could be right about people not connecting with it, but I want to make sure before I make that assessment, and I would advise others to do the same.
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Post by Love Plastic Love on Nov 9, 2014 20:27:26 GMT -5
I really like her, but I just can't get into this song. I feel like the lyrics are pretty much only made for 14-16 year olds, but even then the lyrics don't even quite work for that age group. It has some catchy parts, but other parts are just boring. It feels like it needed another edit to play with the lyrics and progression just a bit. I hope this is just a misstep and she has better songs on her cd.
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Post by Az Paynter on Nov 10, 2014 7:37:08 GMT -5
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Post by YesImaSinner on Nov 10, 2014 11:12:04 GMT -5
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Post by J'back on Nov 10, 2014 11:26:12 GMT -5
The production for me is enough to love this song. It just reminds me of the 90's and I love her vocals.
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Post by kanimal on Nov 11, 2014 9:28:21 GMT -5
And we're back to a sh!tty update :(
Only +4 today.
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Post by Az Paynter on Nov 14, 2014 6:56:53 GMT -5
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Post by JJ on Nov 14, 2014 8:16:35 GMT -5
I was waiting to give this song my review to see if it would grow on me but the opposite has actually happened, I like it less now. This is really disappointing. Charlie has what it takes, but she needs to work harder next time and not settle for half-assed songs. I can see her going the Lily Allen route, where she can still make occasional good music but most of her stuff just screams lazy ass.
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Post by onlyhuman on Nov 14, 2014 12:42:49 GMT -5
I LOVE this song but feel like it wasn't the best choice to follow 'Boom Clap' but then I guess we still haven't heard the album yet...
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Post by Verisimilitude on Nov 14, 2014 12:45:27 GMT -5
Okay but I need to correct something: My analysis of the song's performance isn't tied to whether I like the song. I don't think the song WORKS for America, and I don't think it's connecting. I like Charli XCX. Loved Boom Clap and SuperLove. I want her to do well. There's no interior motive going on, I just question the lyrics in this song. And this is even after hearif her talking about how the best pop songs are dumb as hell, in the behind the scenes for the video for it. The song is marketed towards teens, primarily. That is the MOST lingo-centric demographic out there. The chorus' lyrics are awkward. Compare the lingo in this song to the lingo used in All About That Bass. There are many reasons All About That Bass was a smash hit, but one of the core reasons that song came together comes from Meghan a Trainor herself saying "At the time, my slang was saying how I was all about everything." The lingo in that song works and makes it feel new and refreshing and current. Teens don't put on their dancing shoes and go to a discotech to get high and wrecked, so it's kind of hard to create an anthem out of that. No, but college students do.
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Post by Glove Slap on Nov 14, 2014 13:16:44 GMT -5
This is reeking of payola/background favors. I suppose that they're just trying to keep it out there to see if something happens after the AMA performance since she's been saying she's going to do this for a while.
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Post by YesImaSinner on Nov 14, 2014 13:47:04 GMT -5
I LOVE this song but feel like it wasn't the best choice to follow 'Boom Clap' but then I guess we still haven't heard the album yet... I can already tell Boom Clap is going to stick out like a sore thumb in this new album lol. It was originally recorded for True Romance and she's not doing songs like that anymore (unfortunately). The new theme is punk pop and I'm sure the album was pushed back so BTR could better represent her new sound.
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Post by AP on Nov 14, 2014 14:29:00 GMT -5
This is reeking of payola/background favors. I suppose that they're just trying to keep it out there to see if something happens after the AMA performance since she's been saying she's going to do this for a while. She's also playing every iHeartMedia Jingle Ball, so its incentive for the stations to hype up the acts on their bill.
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Post by kanimal on Nov 14, 2014 14:34:19 GMT -5
This is reeking of payola/background favors. I suppose that they're just trying to keep it out there to see if something happens after the AMA performance since she's been saying she's going to do this for a while. The ridiculously catchy, fun single from an artist coming off two consecutive #1s is stuck in the high-20s....and that's a sign of corruption?
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Post by ificanthaveyou on Nov 15, 2014 1:36:12 GMT -5
This is good, but it's also a step down from Boom Clap. BC was so authentic, whereas this seems so forced and commercial-driven.
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Post by Az Paynter on Nov 15, 2014 7:23:19 GMT -5
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Post by Joe1240 on Nov 15, 2014 11:31:22 GMT -5
I seem to be one of the few that likes this single. It's a fun catchy pop song. Her song on "The Hunger Games-Mockingjay" soundtrack is really good.I recommend a listen to that song.
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Post by Az Paynter on Nov 17, 2014 7:18:53 GMT -5
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Post by Glove Slap on Nov 18, 2014 12:34:21 GMT -5
This is reeking of payola/background favors. I suppose that they're just trying to keep it out there to see if something happens after the AMA performance since she's been saying she's going to do this for a while. The ridiculously catchy, fun single from an artist coming off two consecutive #1s is stuck in the high-20s....and that's a sign of corruption? Its iTunes performance has been awful. And not the Unconditionally/Do What U Want type of awful, actually atrocious, it's not even in the top 200 after all this time. I like this song, but it's performance hasn't been anything to write home about. Hell, it may not even be enough to afford postage. I definitely don't think Superlove would have done much better, or even gotten as far as this has.
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Post by Doc Indie Party Rock on Nov 19, 2014 6:33:17 GMT -5
Seriuosly. Is this too Indie Rock sounding for POP ears or what? It should be at least Top 20 by now. Much better than 95% of the songs in the TOP 20 this week anyway.
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Post by Az Paynter on Nov 19, 2014 6:49:52 GMT -5
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Post by gerry on Nov 20, 2014 7:21:55 GMT -5
Not saying that this is doing great on iTunes but it's finally rising. It's at #152 right now.
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Post by kanimal on Nov 20, 2014 13:44:31 GMT -5
You want promo? You got promo. AMAs this week, followed by *SNL* on December 13.
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Post by YourFaveIsAFlop on Nov 20, 2014 16:21:18 GMT -5
That SNL appearance makes sense with her album dropping the 16th. But I dont think anything can save the single.
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Post by dzjx on Nov 20, 2014 17:48:10 GMT -5
Damn that is probably the two best promo slots available her label must be really pulling for her to become the next big thing. Ive noticed she's under WMG does that company have any big female pop stars? they seem to be in abundance for UMG and SME but I don't think WMG have any?
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Post by surfy on Nov 20, 2014 17:57:34 GMT -5
Damn that is probably the two best promo slots available her label must be really pulling for her to become the next big thing. Ive noticed she's under WMG does that company have any big female pop stars? they seem to be in abundance for UMG and SME but I don't think WMG have any? Katy Perry is under the UMG umbrella, but any other woman they have is either unheard of or is no longer successful.
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Post by dzjx on Nov 20, 2014 18:03:09 GMT -5
Damn that is probably the two best promo slots available her label must be really pulling for her to become the next big thing. Ive noticed she's under WMG does that company have any big female pop stars? they seem to be in abundance for UMG and SME but I don't think WMG have any? Katy Perry is under the UMG umbrella, but any other woman they have is either unheard of or is no longer successful. I know UMG have Katy Perry, they also have Lady Gaga and Rihanna. SME has Pink, Britney and Miley. But I was pointing out that WMG don't seem to have any, perhaps they are trying to make a big female to compete?
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