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Post by jjose712 on Nov 11, 2014 14:57:14 GMT -5
The article was ridiculous (reading too much on a tshirt, this is not Harry Styles wearing a Michael Sam tshirt, the message of support in that case was clear) but his overreaction was simply pathetic and this is not the first time (when he is the main guilty of the rumours with his behaviour). And there's a latin sentence for this; excusatio non petita accuasatio manifesta.
I don't think this damage them as group (they survived with a clean image way worse things) but if he wants to end the gay rumours, this is exactly what not to do, because the effect is exactly the opposite
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Post by surfy on Nov 11, 2014 20:17:52 GMT -5
Yeah, my friend cancelled her pre-order due to this. (She's lesbian, and felt it was distasteful of him to react in that way)
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Post by jjose712 on Nov 12, 2014 4:38:26 GMT -5
He lost a big number of followers on twitter. There's a theory the he wasn't really the one who wrote the tweets (because the phone), but frankly no PR is so bad (modest mouse it's always guilty when they stick their feet in their mouths) and he has a history
Anyway, i suppose they'll release another single soon, Steal my girl is almost peaking on pop. But with the freeze and all that maybe they wait till january
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Post by surfy on Nov 12, 2014 10:26:23 GMT -5
He lost a big number of followers on twitter. There's a theory the he wasn't really the one who wrote the tweets (because the phone), but frankly no PR is so bad (modest mouse it's always guilty when they stick their feet in their mouths) and he has a history Anyway, i suppose they'll release another single soon, Steal my girl is almost peaking on pop. But with the freeze and all that maybe they wait till january She also raised up this point, and it appears that their PR is controlling EVERYTHING and the fans are sick of it. I unfollowed/unsubscribed/unpreordered for this reason too.
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Post by jjose712 on Nov 12, 2014 13:58:57 GMT -5
He lost a big number of followers on twitter. There's a theory the he wasn't really the one who wrote the tweets (because the phone), but frankly no PR is so bad (modest mouse it's always guilty when they stick their feet in their mouths) and he has a history Anyway, i suppose they'll release another single soon, Steal my girl is almost peaking on pop. But with the freeze and all that maybe they wait till january She also raised up this point, and it appears that their PR is controlling EVERYTHING and the fans are sick of it. I unfollowed/unsubscribed/unpreordered for this reason too. In fact the control of their PR is a big part on spreading the rumours. When a celebrity has gay rumours surrounding him (in case of Louis he can only blame himself) PRs should simply let rumours die, instead of that most of them (they are not an exception) search for a female singer, model, actress, generally less known and sign a contract (if they like each other the contract is long, but generally it last a couple of months). This happens in Hollywood all the time, not only because of gay rumours, in fact most of the time is simply because of publicity (and it's very easy to know if a relationship is fake, if two actors start to date during a filming and break up after the end of the promotion you can be 99.9% sure the relationship was fake). The problem with fake relationships is that both parts need to be good actors, because in most of cases both seem totally uninterested in each other when they are not on a red carpet. So the result is exactly the oposite of what they wanted (in fact i'm pretty sure that a lot of straight celebrities have gay rumours because of their obviously fake relationships). I understand they need some control, because they were very young (and they are still young), and the video smoking weed is a good example of something to avoid. And we have Bieber as a perfect example of celebrity out of control. They are profitable and the PR don't want them to destroy their image. But too much control is a mistake. First because the older they get (and richer) they are less in the mood for that. Second, now the fans right now know their idols way more than 20 years ago, so selling a lie don't work in the long time (i read some blind items that predicted almost exactly when Harry is going to break with his girlfriends, and when he is going to start to date a new girl). Instead of that, they should teach them how to deal with the press. They are likeable guys and it's not that difficult to keep a positive image. Louis (and Liam) should count to ten before write on twitter (i know Zayn have some twitter problems too, but i think an artist has the right to express his political opinions). Louis and Harry face the same kind of rumours practically since X factor, and i know it's annoying (no matter if the rumours are true or not), and there are fans that are out of limits, but Louis deal with them way worse than Harry, and he should learn to deal with them because in the end it's him the one affected for the mess. Anyway, i think it's very hard to believe that a PR would be so incredibly dumb to post that. If it wasn not him, someone should be fired. As i say, they are likeable, and that's a big advantage, because people tend to forget these small incidents in a couple of days. They will be full promo mode in days, so the focus will be in more positive things
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Post by McCreerian on Nov 12, 2014 16:20:47 GMT -5
They got a NBC TV Special December 23!
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Post by Lahey's Lucky Star on Nov 12, 2014 16:22:04 GMT -5
Still going in the UK: it rises to #4 in the mid-week update. "Where Do Broken Hearts Go" and "Ready To Run" are also in the top 40.
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Post by Feelin'.$$$hady on Nov 13, 2014 13:12:55 GMT -5
Why is radio not playing this? It's holding admirably well on i-tunes given the lack of AI and spins...is it really worse than Nick Jonas' jealous? Idk i really like the song and it's selling well given the exposure, they are a established band with huge number of fans. are they not promoting it in the US? it feels like this should be doing better on radio than it is
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Post by McCreerian on Nov 13, 2014 13:33:01 GMT -5
Why is radio not playing this? It's holding admirably well on i-tunes given the lack of AI and spins...is it really worse than Nick Jonas' jealous? Idk i really like the song and it's selling well given the exposure, they are a established band with huge number of fans. are they not promoting it in the US? it feels like this should be doing better on radio than it is The radio label is more focused on album sales than single airplay/sales. They are running the promotion more like "the old days" and it's working. I mean hey 1D sell out stadiums on any given continent and they are one of the top selling albums artists in the world. The label leaves promotion more to the fans over the internet and music videos. Fan internet promotion is what spread 1D worldwide more than anything their record label could have done. I knew people in the US who were just dying over 1D while they were on UK's XFactor before WMYB ever was thought of being recorded. 1D is truly a phenomenon unlike any other.
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Post by kanimal on Nov 13, 2014 13:42:17 GMT -5
It's a top 20 song....
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Post by McCreerian on Nov 13, 2014 13:47:45 GMT -5
Yes like all their others. Top 20 is the usual 1D brick wall (other than 2 songs that made the top 10 and top 5). I know many artists would love to have that claim. My point was if their label was more concerned about getting their songs higher than the top 20 (like most artists of their touring and selling caliber do) than they could claim more than 2 top 10 hits. And there has already been a discussion here on their album thread recently about how single choices by their label over the years too show that radio is a "backburner" thought to them rather than album sales and internet promotion.
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Post by jjose712 on Nov 13, 2014 13:54:22 GMT -5
Why is radio not playing this? It's holding admirably well on i-tunes given the lack of AI and spins...is it really worse than Nick Jonas' jealous? Idk i really like the song and it's selling well given the exposure, they are a established band with huge number of fans. are they not promoting it in the US? it feels like this should be doing better on radio than it is Maybe because the song is not good, Now i got used to it, but i had the wrost first reaction to one of their singles adn i still think it's probably their worst single (of course that's only my opinion, and yes, this is not even in the same league that Jealous). Anyway, radio airplay of this song is not different of the airplay they got from all their singles with the exception of WMYB and SOML Story of my life was a great single with a great video and the radio played it, the rest, not that much, radio play them for the same reason they used to play Bieber, because they are huge right now But i agree the song is holding way better than i expected on sales
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Post by McCreerian on Nov 13, 2014 14:05:41 GMT -5
They do have several chances to get back into the top 10 if the label does choose the right singles this time. This album is almost more HAC format sounding than Top 40. But they have a few songs that will serve great on both formats.
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Post by Glove Slap on Nov 16, 2014 17:05:43 GMT -5
This has grown on me a lot. I'm not really a fan of how the verses are mumbled a bit, but the production really makes up for the weak spots in the songwriting and delivery.
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Post by COW COW COW COW COW COW COW on Nov 17, 2014 14:36:32 GMT -5
The problem with Liam is that he clearly have some gay anxiety issues and weird politics. He commends the Duck Dynasty family on their "Family Values," a term only popularized and passed around by anti-gay groups who think gay people are destroying the fabric of society. Instead of being homophobic you have 'traditional family values.' and after everything that Phil from Duck Dynasty said about gays and blacks, why make that comment. It is not a term people usually use outside of the context of pointing out that gay people are somehow devoid of values or being a part of 'the family.' Then he makes an ass out of himself on Twitter and doesn't clarify or apologize.
And then he goes shooting with the family, yikes. Best buds. He should leave 1D and join Duck Dynasty.
Right before this whole awkward Apple shirt thing, he and Harry were interviewed on what they looked for in their ideal partner...and Liam, who was a total ass in the interview, immediately screamed out "FEMALE! female! female!" While he may be heterosexual, he definately has some weird phobe issues. And it is annoying at this point. Get him out of the group. The half Asian one is the only one who can actually sing, and Harry is the only one girls really care about...so just replace him with.
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Post by kanimal on Nov 17, 2014 14:39:06 GMT -5
The problem with Louis is that he clearly have some gay anxiety issues and weird politics. He commends the Duck Dynasty family on their "Family Values," a term only popularized and passed around by anti-gay groups who think gay people are destroying the fabric of society. Instead of being homophobic you have 'traditional family values.' and after everything that Phil from Duck Dynasty said about gays and blacks, why make that comment. It is not a term people usually use outside of the context of pointing out that gay people are somehow devoid of values or being a part of 'the family.' Then he makes an ass out of himself on Twitter and doesn't clarify or apologize. And then he goes shooting with the family, yikes. Best buds. He should leave 1D and join Duck Dynasty. Right before this whole awkward Apple shirt thing, he and Harry were interviewed on what they looked for in their ideal partner...and Liam, who was a total ass in the interview, immediately screamed out "FEMALE! female! female!" While he may be heterosexual, he definately has some weird phobe issues. And it is annoying at this point. Get him out of the group. The half Asian one is the only one who can actually sing, and Harry is the only one girls really care about...so just replace him with. Wasn't Liam the one involved with Duck Dynasty?
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Post by COW COW COW COW COW COW COW on Nov 17, 2014 14:45:59 GMT -5
Right. That was ALL Liam...Sorry, three of them look exactly the same (Harry, Liam, Louis). Liam is the phobe.
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