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Post by onebuffalo on Mar 2, 2015 14:35:19 GMT -5
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Post by 43dudleyvillas on Mar 4, 2015 23:34:21 GMT -5
This is still a song that is absolutely not what's been popular on country radio lately; or really for a while now, so I think there was no getting around a slow climb here - even with the huge 79 adds on impact day. I need to print this out and attach it to my computer screen to re-read every time I look at the charts and start thinking about the buzz/airplay disjuncture here. I had hoped that the build-up and the banked adds would translate to a faster climb to the top-thirty for this one, but you're right to remember what "Better Than You Left Me" is up against in terms of the radio climate. I'm glad that Mickey Guyton's team is starting to take its case to TV...female country artists in particular seem to be required to find fans outside of country radio if they are going to have any chance of success on country radio.
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Post by 14887fan on Mar 5, 2015 19:50:57 GMT -5
GMA performance is tomorrow! Excited for this. Hopefully it'll spawn some buzz.
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Post by cws3030 on Mar 8, 2015 12:22:21 GMT -5
This is still a song that is absolutely not what's been popular on country radio lately; or really for a while now, so I think there was no getting around a slow climb here - even with the huge 79 adds on impact day. I need to print this out and attach it to my computer screen to re-read every time I look at the charts and start thinking about the buzz/airplay disjuncture here. I had hoped that the build-up and the banked adds would translate to a faster climb to the top-thirty for this one, but you're right to remember what "Better Than You Left Me" is up against in terms of the radio climate. I'm glad that Mickey Guyton's team is starting to take its case to TV...female country artists in particular seem to be required to find fans outside of country radio if they are going to have any chance of success on country radio. Adds are great for buzz but let's remeber The Henningsens and The Swon Brothers both had 75+ adds and never broke the top-10 with their debut singles. GMA is agreat "get" for Mickey. Hopefully it can push single sales for her and help show more reaction.
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Post by kanimal on Mar 10, 2015 13:24:25 GMT -5
She keeps getting bumped around (3/6 slot was pushed due to breaking news, ABC then announced a 3/12 air date), but the final word is that her "Good Morning America" performance will air on March 16.
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Post by 43dudleyvillas on Mar 12, 2015 22:36:31 GMT -5
I need to print this out and attach it to my computer screen to re-read every time I look at the charts and start thinking about the buzz/airplay disjuncture here. I had hoped that the build-up and the banked adds would translate to a faster climb to the top-thirty for this one, but you're right to remember what "Better Than You Left Me" is up against in terms of the radio climate. I'm glad that Mickey Guyton's team is starting to take its case to TV...female country artists in particular seem to be required to find fans outside of country radio if they are going to have any chance of success on country radio. Adds are great for buzz but let's remeber The Henningsens and The Swon Brothers both had 75+ adds and never broke the top-10 with their debut singles. Absolutely -- that's why I posted upthread to compare early airplay for "Better Than You Left Me" versus early airplay for "Later On." I still am comparing (secretly, I guess, since I haven't been posting), and eight chart weeks since going for adds, "Better Than You Left Me" is still tracking 22% behind "Later On" in Mediabase audience, 29% behind in Mediabase spins, and 27% behind in Mediabase points. The gap is even worse at Billboard, where "Better Than You Left Me" has 49.5% less audience than "Later On" did in the comparable week. This is less about me expecting "Better Than You Left Me" to show top-10 potential at this point of its chart run and more about me seeing a song and artist who started out with terrific buzz at a time when programmers have widely acknowledged a need for more female breakthroughs at radio, and me finding little reason to believe that anything is changing. But to be fair, download sales for "Better Than You Left Me" aren't tracking ahead of airplay. Then again, "Later On" wasn't much of a seller either, and that didn't hold it back from making the top-20. Which is why I need to remind myself of what sabre14 said -- "Later On" fit comfortably into what country radio was playing last year, while "Better Than You Left Me" doesn't. Although one would think and hope that "Better Than You Left Me"'s soulfulness would fit the R&B surge at the format now... In any event, hopefully, Monday's Good Morning America performance airing will inject some momentum on all fronts.
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Post by carriekins on Mar 12, 2015 22:40:06 GMT -5
I actually heard this on one of Charlotte's stations last night! I was SHOCKED, but also very happy and had the teensiest amount of pride. And it wasn't super late, either - it was on around 8:20. Color me impressed!
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Post by .indulgecountry on Mar 18, 2015 2:35:55 GMT -5
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Post by .indulgecountry on Apr 12, 2015 4:02:07 GMT -5
So what was the point of this getting a record-breaking adds date if radio stations weren't going to play the song. The slow start for this is so frustrating. I'm hoping it eventually takes off, but with the kind of adds this pulled in out of the gate, there's no reason why this should be moving the way it has been. If this was a generic debut single from some new male artist and somehow got that many adds right away, it'd probably be racing up the charts.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2015 5:07:59 GMT -5
So what was the point of this getting a record-breaking adds date if radio stations weren't going to play the song. The slow start for this is so frustrating. I'm hoping it eventually takes off, but with the kind of adds this pulled in out of the gate, there's no reason why this should be moving the way it has been. If this was a generic debut single from some new male artist and somehow got that many adds right away, it'd probably be racing up the charts. Radio is playing it though...just not at a high level. This has been added by 130 of the 151 stations on the Mediabase panel. It's just that it's getting buried by other songs on the chart. Most stations have kept it in low or medium rotation, because there's just not enough room on their playlists to push it higher yet. And to top it off, call-out scores for this one aren't exactly great. They aren't terrible, but it does appear to be a bit polarizing with listeners, likely because a) it's a slower ballad and b) it's sung by a female.
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Post by sabre14 on Apr 12, 2015 11:39:17 GMT -5
Yeah isn't the kind of song many listeners will be passionate about. Unfortunately, straight up ballads like this tend to get tuned out by the average listener. Mickey's song is usually not considered to get bumped into medium to heavy rotation when stations readjust their playlists every week, simply because they feel there's more songs that are showing more feedback. That aspect will only be more difficult as summer approaches as well.
I said it earlier, but there was no getting around a slow climb here. I didn't quite expect a slow down to this extent, but there's more things working against this song than are working for it. If this is going to reach a satisfying peak, patience is the key.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2015 12:30:18 GMT -5
Mickey is fantastic, I want this to be a hit so badly.
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Post by Tylerjamesnerd on Apr 19, 2015 11:21:56 GMT -5
This song just isnt moving ,like at all. Is it doomed.? Look I know that new females have it rough at radio but this is worse than a turtle speed.
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Post by sabre14 on Apr 19, 2015 11:36:25 GMT -5
This song just isnt moving ,like at all. Is it doomed.? Look I know that new females have it rough at radio but this is worse than a turtle speed. It gained 400k in audience this week but its spins basically broke even, which again, is an indicator that radio is having a difficult time bumping its rotation up in their playlist. It's so hard for a ballad like this to find success at radio these days, especially from a new female artist approaching summer. The 79 adds was a product of Capitol doing a great job at introducing Mickey to country radio but as much as I love this song, it's not really conducive to a big hit and certainly not a fast climb.
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Post by someguy on Apr 19, 2015 20:35:52 GMT -5
Mediabase dropped this below Luke Bryan in the final update tonight. Weird.
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Post by sabre14 on Apr 19, 2015 20:40:18 GMT -5
Mediabase dropped this below Luke Bryan in the final update tonight. Weird. It's pretty rare for that to happen but that's why they have an evening update. It'll be interesting to see the point numbers tomorrow. I remember a couple instances in the 2000's where songs where tied or 1 point off in total points, but the tie of course goes to the song which saw a larger increase in points and in this case, that's Luke.
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Post by sabre14 on Apr 23, 2015 20:57:19 GMT -5
This one's starting to show some life. Over the last 11 days, "Better Than You Left Me" has gained 842k in total audience after gaining just 880k in total audience the five weeks prior.
I heard this for the first time on the radio the other day and man did it sound refreshing. Just a great country song that broke up the monotony of the songs that had preceded it on the radio.
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Post by .indulgecountry on Apr 23, 2015 23:13:56 GMT -5
This one's starting to show some life. Over the last 11 days, "Better Than You Left Me" has gained 842k in total audience after gaining just 880k in total audience the five weeks prior. I heard this for the first time on the radio the other day and man did it sound refreshing. Just a great country song that broke up the monotony of the songs that had preceded it on the radio. FINALLY. Those first-week adds got my hopes up so high that radio was actually going to be on board with her but then they didn't seem too excited about this single. Slow and steady was obviously going to be the way to go, but it seemed like it was moving a bit too slow for the kind of early reception she got. Hopefully they'll rectify all that now and this'll take off. Even now the song is *only* about 3 1/2 months or so old, which for a new artist on the country charts, is nothing. There's definitely still a lot of time for this to be a hit, so I'll try and remain optimistic.
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Post by dajire4 on Apr 24, 2015 6:17:31 GMT -5
Will those gains by applicable to Billboard as well or is it Westwood again?
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Post by sabre14 on Apr 24, 2015 10:40:23 GMT -5
Will those gains by applicable to Billboard as well or is it Westwood again? Westwood One is playing this one, though they have been spinning this one past the 11 day mark of those numbers (April 10th). I don't know off-hand when they added Mickey's song though and the spin leaders weren't available last night when I checked on All Access (hate when that happens).
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Post by 43dudleyvillas on Apr 24, 2015 10:54:11 GMT -5
Will those gains by applicable to Billboard as well or is it Westwood again? Westwood One is playing this one, though they have been spinning this one past the 11 day mark of those numbers (April 10th). I don't know off-hand when they added Mickey's song though and the spin leaders weren't available last night when I checked on All Access (hate when that happens). As of last night, "Better Than You Left Me" had a +10 bullet on the Westwood One Hot Country Station over the past seven days, which based on the audience for songs receiving ten spins on the station would account for around 0.350-0.400 million of the song's audience gains in the past seven days. I couldn't pull up a playlist for Westwood One's Mainstream Country station last night. As of this morning, "Better Than You Left Me"'s seven-day bullet on the Westwood One Hot Country Station is a +7 (with fifteen spins in the past seven days instead of the sixteen showing last night), and it showed an audience gain this morning anyway, so that's somewhat encouraging. Meanwhile, "Better Than You Left Me" is flat in spins on Westwood One's Mainstream Country station as of this morning. "Better Than You Left Me" was actually bulletless on Billboard last week, with a small audience loss of 0.143 million, so I'm hoping that sabre14 is right and a recovery is afoot.
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Post by nick64 on May 1, 2015 23:17:37 GMT -5
Does anyone else find it strange that this hasn't debuted on Hot Country Songs yet? Its sales and airplay are similar to songs in the Top 40, yet it hasn't even entered the Top 50. Anyone know why this might be? I know streaming plays a factor, but I doubt it could possibly be that bad.
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Post by trebor on May 2, 2015 7:55:02 GMT -5
Does anyone else find it strange that this hasn't debuted on Hot Country Songs yet? Its sales and airplay are similar to songs in the Top 40, yet it hasn't even entered the Top 50. Anyone know why this might be? I know streaming plays a factor, but I doubt it could possibly be that bad. The airplay/digital song ratio is not balanced enough; Mickey Guyton [#38] has 4.638M audience impressions. Streaming is not that deciding unless the numbers are huge. Digital downloads remain a crucial factor in the mongrel chart. Neither Lady Antebellum (Airplay #37/4.638M) nor Big & Rich (Airplay #36/4.743M) are charting in the Hot Country Top 50
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Post by nick64 on May 2, 2015 9:51:36 GMT -5
Does anyone else find it strange that this hasn't debuted on Hot Country Songs yet? Its sales and airplay are similar to songs in the Top 40, yet it hasn't even entered the Top 50. Anyone know why this might be? I know streaming plays a factor, but I doubt it could possibly be that bad. The airplay/digital song ratio is not balanced enough; Mickey Guyton [#38] has 4.638M audience impressions. Streaming is not that deciding unless the numbers are huge. Digital downloads remain a crucial factor in the mongrel chart. Neither Lady Antebellum (Airplay #37/4.638M) nor Big & Rich (Airplay #36/4.743M) are charting in the Hot Country Top 50 I was actually looking at Mediabase, where Mickey's audience is much higher than it is on Billboard, so that made it appear a lot more extreme to me. But it still seems slightly odd. Dan + Shay (4.544), Parmalee (4.176), and Brothers Osborne (3.850) are all at similar, but slightly lower, airplay levels, and have worth sales than Mickey, but those are all charting. And her song is the only one with a music video and has higher total play on Spotify, so I'd expect streaming is higher too (though I don't have weekly data so).
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Post by trebor on May 2, 2015 11:17:06 GMT -5
The airplay/digital song ratio is not balanced enough; Mickey Guyton [#38] has 4.638M audience impressions. Streaming is not that deciding unless the numbers are huge. Digital downloads remain a crucial factor in the mongrel chart. Neither Lady Antebellum (Airplay #37/4.638M) nor Big & Rich (Airplay #36/4.743M) are charting in the Hot Country Top 50 I was actually looking at Mediabase, where Mickey's audience is much higher than it is on Billboard, so that made it appear a lot more extreme to me. But it still seems slightly odd. Dan + Shay (4.544), Parmalee (4.176), and Brothers Osborne (3.850) are all at similar, but slightly lower, airplay levels, and have worth sales than Mickey, but those are all charting. And her song is the only one with a music video and has higher total play on Spotify, so I'd expect streaming is higher too (though I don't have weekly data so). The stream activity from Spotify is a worldwide total figure and it doesn't say how many streams were generated in the relevant Billboard chart week. Spotify accounts for 45% of the US streaming market and the other 45% are driven by YouTube (which figures are also worldwide totals). This means that no comparison can be made from above services other than to see how many times a song/video has been clicked upon. PS: We do not know whether Dan + Shy, Parmalee, Brothers Osborne, have worse sales than Mickey Guyton (as you state above) because nobody outside the industry has the figures for this specific charting week. The ranking in Billboard's Hot Country Top 50 suggests that the mentioned artists have a better total ratio than Mickey has this week. A lot of spots in the mongrel charts are taken by digital track with strong sales and without noteworthy or any airplay at all and this temporarily inflates and elevates the threshold of points needed to make #50.
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Post by sabre14 on May 3, 2015 12:00:34 GMT -5
With "Homegrown" going recurrent later this afternoon, "Better Than You Left Me" cracks the MB top 30 this week at #30.
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Post by dajire4 on May 3, 2015 15:54:02 GMT -5
With "Homegrown" going recurrent later this afternoon, "Better Than You Left Me" cracks the MB top 30 this week at #30. Wow...what a huge difference with the airplay position
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Post by sabre14 on May 3, 2015 17:59:07 GMT -5
With "Homegrown" going recurrent later this afternoon, "Better Than You Left Me" cracks the MB top 30 this week at #30. Wow...what a huge difference with the airplay position It is a pretty sizable difference. Mickey's audience is being aided by Westwood One, so if you take them away from the picture, perhaps she'll be ranked a spot or two lower. The biggest reason is the points factor. Mickey's audience was very close to the #37 and #36 songs on Billboard's airplay chart. If Billboard did a points based system, they might have slotted Mickey's song above Lady A, Big & Rich and Chase Rice. Plus you have to remember that the debuts for songs are usually much higher on Billboard than MB, simply because Billboard's is all audience based. Brett and ZBB debuted below Mickey on MB, but higher on Billboard. For arguments sake, let's say that "Better Than You Left Me" was able to edge Lady A and Big & Rich in audience on last week's airplay chart. That would have put her at #36. Then let's say that Brett and ZBB debuted below Mickey on the airplay chart. That brings her up to #34 - just a one spot difference from her MB position last week (#33). This is one of those cases where the both of the charts differences in calculating chart position, affected a song's ranking.
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Post by Marv on May 6, 2015 17:32:39 GMT -5
Yet another standout tune whose infuriating chart run certainly serves very well as a scorching indictment of the current state of country radio.
Once upon a time, a gut wrenching song such as this would have been a smash and/or future instant classic if Dolly, Barbara, Tammy, Reba, Loretta or Lorrie Morgan had ever gotten their hands on this stellar song, but those days are dishearteningly long gone.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2015 8:54:05 GMT -5
It's a real shame really. Mickey appears to be out of energy to go any higher I'm pretty sure next week on Billboard Lady A is gonna re-pass them Cole Swindell while struggling is closing in on her and fast Luke Bryan's gonna debut ahead of her and I think Hunter Hayes new one will debut above her and Sam Hunt is gonna pass her so I think Mickey is done.
BB Peak #35 MB Peak #30. Let's hope she can make it up the second time.
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