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Post by ILLUSION on Sept 30, 2014 22:07:47 GMT -5
This is really Christian-formatted. I don't see how this won't chart on that format.
I don't consider myself a very religious person but I do like this song! Definitely not my favorite single from her but I do enjoy it.
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Post by bamafan2102 on Sept 30, 2014 22:26:55 GMT -5
While I do feel that she seems to oversing, especially on the last album, this song is different. In the first two passes of the chorus she softly says "I'm changed" then belts out "I'm STONGER"....I see that as symbolic. I turned this up in the car on the way to work tonight and was blown away again.
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Post by onebuffalo on Oct 1, 2014 8:08:14 GMT -5
Nice pickup in stations and spins:
CARRIE UNDERWOOD Something In The Water 82 1183 TRISHA YEARWOOD PrizeFighter f/Kelly Clarkson 9 115 ERIC CHURCH Talladega 6 108 TIM MCGRAW Shotgun Rider 7 92 JON PARDI When I've Been Drinkin' 6 56
Rolling chart debut:
35 CARRIE UNDERWOOD Something In The Water 1314 0 1314 13.475
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Post by jenglisbe on Oct 1, 2014 8:18:01 GMT -5
Rolling chart debut: 35 CARRIE UNDERWOOD Something In The Water 1314 0 1314 13.475 That doesn't seem any better than yesterday's numbers. How many spins did it have Tuesday?
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Post by carriekins on Oct 1, 2014 8:26:36 GMT -5
Rolling chart debut: 35 CARRIE UNDERWOOD Something In The Water 1314 0 1314 13.475 That doesn't seem any better than yesterday's numbers. How many spins did it have Tuesday? She gained 219 spins yesterday, and 1.3 million in audience.
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Post by onebuffalo on Oct 1, 2014 8:27:16 GMT -5
Rolling chart debut: 35 CARRIE UNDERWOOD Something In The Water 1314 0 1314 13.475 That doesn't seem any better than yesterday's numbers. How many spins did it have Tuesday? This was a previous post. Unfortunately, I was not on AllAccess yesterday, so I really don't know. Massive first day! 38 CARRIE UNDERWOOD Something In The Water 1095 0 1095 12.119 P.S.: I see carriekins got the answer. Thanks!
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Post by Marv on Oct 1, 2014 9:39:07 GMT -5
I don't see why this tune wouldn't get tons of attention @ Christian Contemporary Radio, which not only has far and away the highest percentage of female listeners of any format, but ranks third in terms of number of stations, trailing only News/Talk and Country.
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Post by desertfloods on Oct 1, 2014 9:39:39 GMT -5
While I do feel that she seems to oversing, especially on the last album, this song is different. In the first two passes of the chorus she softly says "I'm changed" then belts out "I'm STONGER"....I see that as symbolic. I turned this up in the car on the way to work tonight and was blown away again. I totally agree about those two parts of the song. It is a very smart and effective choice of vocals AND production there, imo.
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Post by onebuffalo on Oct 1, 2014 10:51:25 GMT -5
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Post by countrysuperfan on Oct 2, 2014 4:26:39 GMT -5
This doesn't do it for me. Too preachy, and somewhat predictable.
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Post by countrygirl918 on Oct 2, 2014 10:09:24 GMT -5
This doesn't do it for me. Too preachy, and somewhat predictable. It's interesting that you say that. I've seen several people comment that they appreciated that the song wasn't being preachy, so I'm curious what you find preachy about it? I'm not a particularly religious person so I'm having a bit of a hard time relating to most of the song, but I still enjoy listening to it. Mainly because of Carrie's voice, which sounds better than ever, but also because it feels like the song is coming from a very honest place for Carrie. It doesn't feel like she's pandering to any trends - this is 100% her. This song is so different from anything else on country radio at the moment, and I'm glad to see that Carrie is once again treading her own path and following her own arrow, so to speak. ;)
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Post by onebuffalo on Oct 2, 2014 12:13:45 GMT -5
No #1 debut on the mongrel chart, it starts at #48 there.
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Post by Zazie on Oct 2, 2014 13:00:58 GMT -5
I can't speak for others, but I can give the reason I find the song preachy. It's really simple: she takes a universal human event -- the slamming doors down every hallway -- and then she gives an explicitly Christian experience as the solution to the universal problem.
I don't see anything wrong with her doing that. It's her song. It's her life. It's her experience. This is not an attack on the song. But if you do it this way, then you are being preachy, more or less by definition. And presumably to have the effect you want to have, it is worthwhile to lose some part of your audience that doesn't like preachy. I am one who never likes preachy, but the cost of alienating a few listeners is modest and the gain is obvious. This is why preaching to the choir is generally very effective. Two minutes reading this thread is enough to show us how that works.
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Post by spencer on Oct 2, 2014 14:13:15 GMT -5
'Something In The water', talks about a character who turns their life around after following the suggestion of a preacher? At no time in the song does the principle character say or even suggest that others should do the same. I hear it as a personal experience of one person's 'aha' moment and all that comes from that.
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Post by jptexas on Oct 2, 2014 14:14:07 GMT -5
IMO, she's not preaching but telling a personal experience. I've heard thousands of songs telling personal experiences and this is no different. Yea, she mentions God, water, blood, and a smiling face as a result of having had a spiritual experience. But I don't hear her saying, "people, do what I did and you'll be saved". Country music has always mentioned God, faith, seeing the light, prayer, church, etc. I don't see any difference. But, I respect all opinions, so it is what it is.
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Post by matty005 on Oct 2, 2014 15:24:45 GMT -5
IMO, she's not preaching but telling a personal experience. I've heard thousands of songs telling personal experiences and this is no different. Yea, she mentions God, water, blood, and a smiling face as a result of having had a spiritual experience. But I don't hear her saying, "people, do what I did and you'll be saved". Country music has always mentioned God, faith, seeing the light, prayer, church, etc. I don't see any difference. But, I respect all opinions, so it is what it is. The definition of preaching is, "publicly proclaim or teach (a religious message or belief)." This is exactly what she is doing. I don't think anyone is saying she shouldn't be doing it, but there are people who don't like it (myself included). You are correct that many songs mention faith, god, Jesus, church, etc, but this is the ENTIRE song. It's about being down and out (which millions of people encounter) and being saved because of god (which millions of people believe in, but there are also millions who don't believe, or believe in a different god). That is why it's "preachy" to me.
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Post by jptexas on Oct 2, 2014 15:31:19 GMT -5
^^was Jesus take the Wheel preachy? See You Again? Who are You? Temporary Home? Why now and why this song?
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Post by matty005 on Oct 2, 2014 15:38:15 GMT -5
^^was Jesus take the Wheel preachy? See You Again? Who are You? Temporary Home? Why now and why this song? No. Again, like Zazie said, "she takes a universal human event -- the slamming doors down every hallway -- and then she gives an explicitly Christian experience as the solution to the universal problem."
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Post by trebor on Oct 2, 2014 16:02:37 GMT -5
I sense this as very heavy going. Could not really go through a repeat listening. The vocals are just too strong and may get tiresome (shouting effect). Besides my very personal musical experience and opinion, the whole composition is pristine; and Carrie is at her best. Records will be shattered and she will fortify her leading position in both country and pop. Go Girl! :)
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Post by jptexas on Oct 2, 2014 16:09:01 GMT -5
^^was Jesus take the Wheel preachy? See You Again? Who are You? Temporary Home? Why now and why this song? No. Again, like Zazie said, "she takes a universal human event -- the slamming doors down every hallway -- and then she gives an explicitly Christian experience as the solution to the universal problem." She doesn't say that the Christian experience IS the solution but it's her solution. There is a difference.
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Post by matty005 on Oct 2, 2014 16:13:31 GMT -5
No. Again, like Zazie said, "she takes a universal human event -- the slamming doors down every hallway -- and then she gives an explicitly Christian experience as the solution to the universal problem." She doesn't say that the Christian experience IS the solution but it's her solution. There is a difference. Well there is no point in arguing over this because in this example, I don't believe this is a difference. Enjoy the song. Not everyone has to. I am almost 100% I will love the next single she releases.
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Post by countrygirl918 on Oct 2, 2014 16:36:23 GMT -5
I think we disagree on what "being preachy" actually is, so you may be right in there being no point in arguing over it.
However, for me, being preachy means trying to force your beliefs on someone else, whether they want it or not. Google tells me that, by definition, to be preachy is "having or revealing a tendency to give moral advice in a tedious or self-righteous way." In my opinion, "Something in the Water" never comes close to that since it is told in first-person narrative - it's not really giving advice, and it doesn't tell listeners they need to have this same experience, it just tells the narrator's own personal experience.
In that sense it's not all that different from "Jesus, Take the Wheel," which tells the personal experiences of its characters, except the lyrics this time are more overtly religious throughout the song rather than just in the chorus.
So, yes, it is a religious song, and some people might not like that and might not relate to that, but it simply being religious doesn't necessarily mean it's being preachy, because it's just telling a story, not trying to force listeners to believe the same thing. I think there would actually be a stronger argument for calling a song like "Follow Your Arrow" (which I love), for example, preachy over a song like "Something in the Water".
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Post by jptexas on Oct 2, 2014 16:38:51 GMT -5
Agree to disagree. Yea, I'm thinking she'll release the album that everyone was expecting before the Greatist Hits thing happened in Oct 2015. Just a guess but a good one. Debut single in Aug 2015.
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Post by carrieidol1 on Oct 2, 2014 17:07:15 GMT -5
This song is still on repeat for me... I must have near 500 listens by now. Every time the intro music starts, I get excited like I'm hearing it for the first time. This has quickly moved up the list as one of my favorite songs from Carrie, ever. It strikes such a nerve in me... I wouldn't consider myself religious, but this song speaks so much to where I am in my life right now; finding out who I am and becoming more comfortable with myself. I've always been faithful and this song does a perfect job of speaking not only to Christian people, but to anyone with a little bit of faith in anything/anyone more than themselves. To the discussion above, I feel like most religious songs are inherently "preachy" based solely on the fact that they portray a religion as "right", despite not necessarily meaning to do so. Anyway, this song is clearly one of Carrie's best-received ever. As shown by the countless amazing reviews, and its continued stay in the top 5 on iTunes. You can't please everyone, but Carrie sure-as-hell pleased as many people as she ever will with this song, I'm proud to be one of those VERY pleased people!
Now, is there any news at all about a video for this? I almost rather they use the live performance on the CMAs as one, assuming it's as amazing as I'm sure it will be!
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Post by Zazie on Oct 2, 2014 21:16:28 GMT -5
I am not religious. I am not offended by the song. I bought it. Don't get hung up in the lyrics of a 4 minute song. Whether you are religious or not, at least the song has a positive message. People who don't like this or any other song--just don't buy or listen to that song. I always appreciate being told what to do by people I've never met. Thanks for the guidance! On the topic of preachiness, is there a line in the song that reads "Opened my eyes and told me the truth"? It's that kind of line that reinforces the impression of preachiness that surrounds this song. Maybe I misheard it. Having a corner on the truth is appealing to a lot of people, and I wouldn't criticize anybody for approaching the world that way. But if you want to know why somebody would find the song preachy -- and that's how I got into this exchange, trying to answer a question -- it's the notion that there's one truth about these important real-life issues. I like some religious music, and I listen to Ricky Skaggs or Del McCoury with enthusiasm. (Del's Recovering Pharisee is one of my favorite songs, and I just listened to it on Monday.) If your standard for preachiness is that the lyrics have to literally tell other people to do what you have done, then I disagree with your standard. There's plenty of room for different opinions and I think this discussion has (mostly) been friendly. But at this point I feel like I'm at risk for repeating myself or hijacking the thread, so I will wish y'all well and I hope you have a good time watching this song blaze up the chart. I suspect it will get enough requests without needing any from me.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2014 21:24:07 GMT -5
This has grown on me a bit. Her vocals are definitely a highlight and I appreciate her improvement. I'm excited to see what else is in store for her greatest hits.
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Post by McCreerian on Oct 2, 2014 21:33:13 GMT -5
This single reminds of what Dolly Parton did in 1990 by releasing "He's Alive" as a single and performing it on the CMA Awards (Maybe it was the ACMs?). Her performance became the video and I hope Carrie's does the same thing. Songs like both of these need a live performance and that's what sells it best. Dolly's song was a straightforward Christian song but it didn't make the top 20 on the Country chart, even though Dolly had just had 2 #1s from the same album the song was on. But back then there was at least a dozen women who could get a #1 hit at any given time so radio wasn't in the female drought it is now. Carrie is 1 of 2 women who can get a #1 (or even top 10) so radio won't deny this song like they did "He's Alive." Dolly did have a Christian song go #1 in the 1970s however that is one of her now classics, "The Seeker."
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Post by bigb0882 on Oct 2, 2014 21:59:22 GMT -5
I was just thinking that this wasn't too over the top in the Christian music department but then the church choir kicked in and Carrie ends the song with a few lines of Amazing Grace. Could they have tried any harder? lol It is almost comical and ruined the entire song for me.
On the plus side, her voice is as good as ever.
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Post by countrygirl918 on Oct 2, 2014 23:12:00 GMT -5
I love the addition of "Amazing Grace" at the end - gives me chills. I really hope Carrie has a choir join her for the CMA performance.
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Post by Markus Meyer on Oct 3, 2014 0:08:18 GMT -5
I was just thinking that this wasn't too over the top in the Christian music department but then the church choir kicked in and Carrie ends the song with a few lines of Amazing Grace. Could they have tried any harder? lol It is almost comical and ruined the entire song for me. On the plus side, her voice is as good as ever. While it doesn't ruin it for me, it is certainly the weakest aspect of the song IMO. Otherwise I'm really liking this.
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