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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2014 8:59:49 GMT -5
I like this. Just a feel good song, definitely sounds like vintage Toby. I'll take this over the garbage on FGL's album any day of the week. I agree with your comments and I thank you for making them (even though some people here have a difficult time expressing their own opinions in a civilized manner). While I am a fan of Florida Georgia Line, I do agree that the subject matter, topically the same, is portrayed quite differently. FGL talks about getting drunk and having a party (yeah, that's great sometimes, but every day is quite excessive and admittedly counterproductive). This is more of a "hey, let's all raise our glasses to being American--that's something that we can share." I find no fault in comparing songs of one artists to songs of another, even if you hate them. In the case of FGL, what other country music artist has been so polarizing in the past few years? I mean, they have released 6 singles and all have gone to #1...that's a 100% success rate. Much of the discussion here on this board is chart-based and it's hard to argue the chart success FGL has seen. Therefore when discussing a song such as this, I think it would be irresponsible to NOT compare it to other songs. Mindless discussion would consist of "I really like this song" or "I really dislike this song" with little to no personal reasoning provided. You provided some insight into your opinion and I think that is in fact what pushes conversations forward. Country music is becoming increasingly corporate and radio-based (unfortunately) so it would be foolish not to incorporate your own personal opinions about other songs or artists that have greatly affected said influences in the past few years.
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Post by matty005 on Oct 16, 2014 9:17:17 GMT -5
I like this. Just a feel good song, definitely sounds like vintage Toby. I'll take this over the garbage on FGL's album any day of the week. I agree with your comments and I thank you for making them (even though some people here have a difficult time expressing their own opinions in a civilized manner). While I am a fan of Florida Georgia Line, I do agree that the subject matter, topically the same, is portrayed quite differently. FGL talks about getting drunk and having a party (yeah, that's great sometimes, but every day is quite excessive and admittedly counterproductive). This is more of a "hey, let's all raise our glasses to being American--that's something that we can share." I find no fault in comparing songs of one artists to songs of another, even if you hate them. In the case of FGL, what other country music artist has been so polarizing in the past few years? I mean, they have released 6 singles and all have gone to #1...that's a 100% success rate. Much of the discussion here on this board is chart-based and it's hard to argue the chart success FGL has seen. Therefore when discussing a song such as this, I think it would be irresponsible to NOT compare it to other songs. Mindless discussion would consist of "I really like this song" or "I really dislike this song" with little to no personal reasoning provided. You provided some insight into your opinion and I think that is in fact what pushes conversations forward. Country music is becoming increasingly corporate and radio-based (unfortunately) so it would be foolish not to incorporate your own personal opinions about other songs or artists that have greatly affected said influences in the past few years. When someone hates a certain artist, genre, sound, etc, what is the point of comparing it to? How does that help us readers know how good a song is? The poster said this song is better than, "garbage." Great. Well obviously, almost anything is better than hearing "garbage," so where does that put this song? How much better than "garbage" is it?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2014 9:27:31 GMT -5
When someone hates a certain artist, genre, sound, etc, what is the point of comparing it to? How does that help us readers know how good a song is? The poster said this song is better than, "garbage." Great. Well obviously, almost anything is better than hearing "garbage," so where does that put this song? How much better than "garbage" is it? In this sense, labeling music as garbage is undoubtedly very subjective. Not everyone (including myself) would classify FGL as garbage, but Phil provided a reference point to A) his opinion of FGL's music, B) music of similar content, and C) an artist of which many people are familiar. How is Phil's comment any different than what we do weekly in the Pulse chart thread? We list the songs, placing ones we like over ones we dislike. Sure, the comment was short and lacked an in-depth analysis of opinion; does that mean every short, simple post here should be scrutinized?
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Post by rsmatto on Oct 16, 2014 9:51:35 GMT -5
Why are songs about people at Bars so universal? Because all kinds of people drink and hang out together, EXACTLY as it's laid out in the lyrics here!
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Post by .indulgecountry on Oct 16, 2014 15:59:28 GMT -5
I like this. Just a feel good song, definitely sounds like vintage Toby. I'll take this over the garbage on FGL's album any day of the week. This is such a lazy way to comment on music. Comparing it to artists of music you hate. It's so overused and does absolutely nothing to help with the conversation. And what exactly does your comment do to "help with the conversation"?
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Post by matty005 on Oct 16, 2014 16:01:01 GMT -5
This is such a lazy way to comment on music. Comparing it to artists of music you hate. It's so overused and does absolutely nothing to help with the conversation. And what exactly does your comment do to "help with the conversation"? Same as yours, IC. I get extremely irritated when posters constantly bring up artists they don't like in other threads when there is no need to. I was just trying to steer people away from that.
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Post by .indulgecountry on Oct 16, 2014 16:08:55 GMT -5
And what exactly does your comment do to "help with the conversation"? Same as yours. I don't even know what to say to that other than that it appears to prove my point. If you find my comment to be as irrelevant as your own, then I'm not sure what you're point is here in commenting at all? You basically admit that your post contributed nothing to conversation, even though said comment was a judgment on someone else's ability to do so. Hypocrisy at its finest.
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Post by matty005 on Oct 16, 2014 16:15:50 GMT -5
I don't even know what to say to that other than that it appears to prove my point. If you find my comment to be as irrelevant as your own, then I'm not sure what you're point is here in commenting at all? You basically admit that your post contributed nothing to conversation, even though said comment was a judgment on someone else's ability to do so. Hypocrisy at its finest. I'm done highjacking this thread. I am just fed up with FGL being brought up in countless threads when there is no reason to other than to say, "this song is 100X better than (insert whatever the current FGL single is at the time)."
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2014 20:50:00 GMT -5
Sure, the comment was short and lacked an in-depth analysis of opinion; does that mean every short, simple post here should be scrutinized? In short, no, not everything has to be super in-depth. But I think there is a better and more civilized way to compare two artists or two songs than to say song A is better than song B because song B is garbage, so I understand where matty005's frustration was coming from. It's fine to compare a song you like to one you don't like, but there are ways to do so without dragging other artists through the mud. I think Pulse is a much better place if posters give a sentence or two of context that explains why they find song A to be stronger than song B. ** I realize this derailment was unintentional, but just a general message to everybody: please be careful when posting...if your post looks/appears to be borderline baiting, then chances are it will stir up trouble, even if you didn't intend to. And if you see a post that goes way off-topic or potentially violates Pulse rules, please report it rather than responding in-thread. Any questions/comments/concerns etc, please PM me. Thanks. Now back to regular discussion here, please.
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Post by zjames on Oct 16, 2014 21:05:06 GMT -5
This song sounds like classic Toby; whether that is a good or bad thing is up to each individual. Personally, I still love Toby's patriotic songs and drinking songs. Even if this is just "I Love This Bar" with an added American focus, these kind of songs still suit Toby well and I hope he can regain some of his lost success.
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Post by Markus Meyer on Oct 16, 2014 23:38:51 GMT -5
I always miss the entertaining times in this forum.
Anyways, I'm really enjoying this one. I echo the sentiments of others that this feels vintage Toby. I could honestly see this going top 10, though I wouldn't bet on it.
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Post by 43dudleyvillas on Oct 17, 2014 14:16:24 GMT -5
I think that this song is stronger in concept than it is in execution. In some ways, we live in a more fragmented world than ever because we have more entertainment options and news sources than ever, and it's harder to find those collective moments where everyone is gathered around watching and discussing the same thing. So "Drunk Americans" aims to find a collective experience where our differences become irrelevant, and it does so when everyone raises a glass or a bottle to cheer and to drink.
The problem with "Drunk Americans" as a song is that it doesn't "place" the drinking anywhere, and it doesn't explain why anyone is drinking -- it does nothing to capture the common experiences (of work, of personal troubles, etc.) from which people are trying to escape or the common experiences (of triumph, of recreation, etc.) that people celebrate -- it just assumes drunkenness is what we have in common and goes from there. The unfortunate consequence of this is that "Drunk Americans" (unintentionally?) makes it sound like people stop caring about our differences when they're drunk...because they're drunk. And that compromises the larger message of unity (because what happens when we sober up?). So I wish that Brandy Clark, Bob DiPiero, and Shane McAnally had gone about constructing this song differently.
I will say that I appreciate the "We’re all mud flap suburbans/all ball caps and turbans" line in the song, especially being delivered by Toby Keith. His jingoistic surge in the wake of the 11 September 2001 attacks on the US has always rubbed me the wrong way, mostly because it seemed crassly designed to market to dangerous levels of anger, misplaced machismo, and exceptionalism. So Toby Keith singing a lyric that treats what many in America would still consider "foreign" as equally American is a welcome shift toward inclusiveness and diversity.
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Post by sabre14 on Oct 19, 2014 12:47:22 GMT -5
"Drunk Americans" debuts at #40 on MB this week.
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Post by onebuffalo on Oct 19, 2014 15:03:54 GMT -5
"Drunk Americans" debuts at #40 on MB this week. Any airplay debut predictions?
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Post by sabre14 on Oct 19, 2014 15:12:48 GMT -5
"Drunk Americans" debuts at #40 on MB this week. Any airplay debut predictions? I'll leave that for jhomes87. ;) Maybe #34 or #35 but that's off the top of my head.
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Post by Zazie on Oct 19, 2014 22:12:12 GMT -5
This is a harder chart debut to guess than most songs by longtime stars, since it didn't get the inflated first-week airplay. I expect it to finish at #33 on BB.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2014 22:16:57 GMT -5
This is a harder chart debut to guess than most songs by longtime stars, since it didn't get the inflated first-week airplay. I expect it to finish at #33 on BB. It actually did get hourly spins on Tuesday, but perhaps some Clear Channel stations didn't play it as late into the day as normal. Toby had 789 of his spins and 6.56 million of his Mediabase audience in his first day at radio ( here), which was Tuesday (aka Wed. morning) So it was still a big first day but just not as astronomical as we've seen with other recent high-profile releases, and that's probably because of Toby's fading star and the struggles that his label has had. I don't think Show Dog-Universal is as capable of moving a song up the charts as most other labels are. They haven't cracked the top 20 with any of their artists in more than a year now, and they had only 1 top 40 hit (Josh Thompson's song from earlier this year).
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Post by sabre14 on Oct 20, 2014 19:04:21 GMT -5
I expect it to finish at #33 on BB. Almost Zazie. ;) "Drunk Americans" debuts at #31. It actually is clear nearly 700k of the #32 song "God Made Girls".
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Post by Zazie on Oct 21, 2014 13:50:03 GMT -5
I didn't expect to get it right. But I also didn't expect the MB total to be so identical to the BB total. Close to each other, sure, that's a common first-week result. But these numbers were stepping on top of each other. So Toby wound up a little higher than I was capable of imagining. Let's see what kind of week 2 the song has, and I'll keep away from forecasting the result.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2014 14:14:45 GMT -5
I didn't expect to get it right. But I also didn't expect the MB total to be so identical to the BB total. Close to each other, sure, that's a common first-week result. But these numbers were stepping on top of each other. So Toby wound up a little higher than I was capable of imagining. Let's see what kind of week 2 the song has, and I'll keep away from forecasting the result. Toby will have a big negative in tomorrow's update, and I'm not sure that he can finish the week with a bullet. This song just wrapped up its 7th day at radio (it was sent out last week Tuesday), and it accumulated 974 total spins over those 7 days. The problem, of course, is that first day where 719 of the 974 spins came from (along with 6.5 mil in audience).
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Post by rbundy1987 on Oct 21, 2014 20:46:49 GMT -5
I didn't expect to get it right. But I also didn't expect the MB total to be so identical to the BB total. Close to each other, sure, that's a common first-week result. But these numbers were stepping on top of each other. So Toby wound up a little higher than I was capable of imagining. Let's see what kind of week 2 the song has, and I'll keep away from forecasting the result. Toby will have a big negative in tomorrow's update, and I'm not sure that he can finish the week with a bullet. This song just wrapped up its 7th day at radio (it was sent out last week Tuesday), and it accumulated 974 total spins over those 7 days. The problem, of course, is that first day where 719 of the 974 spins came from (along with 6.5 mil in audience). So it's possible he may slip right out of the top 50 tomorrow for Mediabase, OUCH!!!! Can't wait til tomorrow and find out around 7 AM tomorrow when the updates come pouring in.
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Post by tim on Oct 21, 2014 23:19:07 GMT -5
So it's possible he may slip right out of the top 50 tomorrow for Mediabase, OUCH!!!! Can't wait til tomorrow and find out around 7 AM tomorrow when the updates come pouring in. To put this in perspective the song has over 8 million in audience impressions which is almost double any song below it. It will lose spins, yes, but out of the top 50? Nope.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2014 0:35:44 GMT -5
So it's possible he may slip right out of the top 50 tomorrow for Mediabase, OUCH!!!! Can't wait til tomorrow and find out around 7 AM tomorrow when the updates come pouring in. To put this in perspective the song has over 8 million in audience impressions which is almost double any song below it. It will lose spins, yes, but out of the top 50? Nope. I wouldn't be so sure about that. It's currently at 974 total spins, but 719 of those spins and 6.5 mil of its audience total came from inflated first-day numbers (due to once-an-hour plays). That first day will get kicked out of the rolling totals in tomorrow's MB update. I expect to see a loss close to 6 million in audience and a loss of more than 650 spins as well. Here's how Toby's first week went: 10/15: +719 spins, +6.564 million (audience) 10/16: +50 spins, +420k 10/17: +37 spins, +329k 10/18: +38 spins, +378k 10/19: +48 spins, +355k 10/20: +30 spins, +158k 10/21: +53 spins, +481k Toby averaged about 43 spins gained per day over the last 6 days...and 650 subtracted from 719 is 69, which would be a generous number. Thus, a loss of 650+ spins would drop Toby all the way down into the low 300's, and well below what the current #50 song (FGL's "Sun Daze") has. I'm also expecting about 6 million of that first-day airplay to disappear due to the 8th day effect, and that would drop Toby to around 2.5 mil. Keep in mind that these once-an-hour deals really distort reality. When you start at 0 and you average about +353k a day for 7 days, well, that's not always enough to crack the Mediabase top 50--which is why Toby might drop out tomorrow. I think there's at least a 50% chance he falls off the chart (for now). Without that big first day, it's entirely possible that Toby would not have made the MB top 50 after his first full week at radio. The Billboard debut would've probably been around #46 or #47 without the CC deal (353k multiplied by 7 adds up to 2.474 mil on MB, which, after translation, would probably be around 2.3 mil on BB). Basically, if you ignore that first day and only count days 2 through 8, you'll get a much better picture of where Toby would have debuted on both charts...and tomorrow's Mediabase update will reflect where Toby would have charted without the hourly spins. Again, it could go either way--he might be able to hang around in the 48-50 range, but I'm leaning towards him falling out of the top 50.
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Post by rbundy1987 on Oct 22, 2014 7:30:35 GMT -5
To put this in perspective the song has over 8 million in audience impressions which is almost double any song below it. It will lose spins, yes, but out of the top 50? Nope. I wouldn't be so sure about that. It's currently at 974 total spins, but 719 of those spins and 6.5 mil of its audience total came from inflated first-day numbers (due to once-an-hour plays). That first day will get kicked out of the rolling totals in tomorrow's MB update. I expect to see a loss close to 6 million in audience and a loss of more than 650 spins as well. Here's how Toby's first week went: 10/15: +719 spins, +6.564 million (audience) 10/16: +50 spins, +420k 10/17: +37 spins, +329k 10/18: +38 spins, +378k 10/19: +48 spins, +355k 10/20: +30 spins, +158k 10/21: +53 spins, +481k Toby averaged about 43 spins gained per day over the last 6 days...and 650 subtracted from 719 is 69, which would be a generous number. Thus, a loss of 650+ spins would drop Toby all the way down into the low 300's, and well below what the current #50 song (FGL's "Sun Daze") has. I'm also expecting about 6 million of that first-day airplay to disappear due to the 8th day effect, and that would drop Toby to around 2.5 mil. Keep in mind that these once-an-hour deals really distort reality. When you start at 0 and you average about +353k a day for 7 days, well, that's not always enough to crack the Mediabase top 50--which is why Toby might drop out tomorrow. I think there's at least a 50% chance he falls off the chart (for now). Without that big first day, it's entirely possible that Toby would not have made the MB top 50 after his first full week at radio. The Billboard debut would've probably been around #46 or #47 without the CC deal (353k multiplied by 7 adds up to 2.474 mil on MB, which, after translation, would probably be around 2.3 mil on BB). Basically, if you ignore that first day and only count days 2 through 8, you'll get a much better picture of where Toby would have debuted on both charts...and tomorrow's Mediabase update will reflect where Toby would have charted without the hourly spins. Again, it could go either way--he might be able to hang around in the 48-50 range, but I'm leaning towards him falling out of the top 50. Evidentially, me and jhomes87 were right, Toby has fallen out of the top 50 for now on Mediabase with Dierks latest taking its place. It shall return though here and soon as it tries to recover from the hangover effect it took today. Poor TK :(
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Post by sabre14 on Oct 22, 2014 11:34:53 GMT -5
^ Yeah, if you actually take away that first day, it was very possible that Toby could fall out of the top 50 on the 8th day and alas he did. If you remember, "Drinks After Work" started out with nearly 10 million in audience the first week and then fell below 7 million at the end of week two. In the end that song ended up having the typical top 20 stall that Toby has become accustomed to lately.
I wish that Toby declined the hourly treatment this time around. It could very well end up hurting him in the long run again. Country radio has not been willing to put his songs in heavy rotation for quite some time as they are only interested in the initial buzz of the release. Perhaps Toby doesn't have confidence that his label can support a normal chart run and he thinks that the hourly treatment gives him a fighting chance. If that's the case then I do believe that Toby's best days at radio are well behind him.
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Post by tim on Oct 22, 2014 23:44:26 GMT -5
I wouldn't be so sure about that. It's currently at 974 total spins, but 719 of those spins and 6.5 mil of its audience total came from inflated first-day numbers (due to once-an-hour plays). That first day will get kicked out of the rolling totals in tomorrow's MB update. I expect to see a loss close to 6 million in audience and a loss of more than 650 spins as well. Evidentially, me and jhomes87 were right, Toby has fallen out of the top 50 for now on Mediabase with Dierks latest taking its place. It shall return though here and soon as it tries to recover from the hangover effect it took today. Poor TK :( Ha, well that's what I get for just taking a quick glance at the chart run "Drunk Americans." In all honesty, though, my active chart watching days are over. These clear channel deals, record label chart manipulations, and the revolving door at #1 have just made me less and less interested in following the daily/weekly chart stats. Sometimes a song will come along that interests me and I'l do my due diligence on researching its chart run, but those instances seem to get rarer and rarer for me. Thanks to those such as jhomes87 and sabre14 that due their homework otherwise I really wouldn't be paying much attention anymore. Anyways, this likely does hurt "Drunk Americans" a bit (seriously, out of the top 50?!?). It'll rebound but its going to be a hill of a climb.
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Post by sabre14 on Oct 26, 2014 13:11:32 GMT -5
"Drunk Americans" rebounds slightly the past couple days from it's fall out of the top 50, but still falls five spots to #45 on MB this week.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2014 20:04:01 GMT -5
Toby falls from 31-36 on Billboard tonight due to the 8th day effect.
I'm a little confused, though, as to why Billboard gave this song a bullet on tonight's chart. It lost 257 spins and over 4 million in audience over the Billboard tracking week. The only thing I can think of (other than it being a mistake) is that perhaps it has something to do with Billboard awarding the song 'breaker' status?
I know songs like "Something In The Water" and "Neon Light" both lost their bullets in week 2 before resuming their climbs. Their week 2 losses were less than Toby's was, but neither of them was awarded 'breaker' status in week 2 either..
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Post by someguy on Oct 27, 2014 20:07:45 GMT -5
Yeah I was wondering the same thing. I really have no idea why Toby kept his bullet this week. The only thing that makes sense (other than it being a mistake) is the breaker thing. Carrie and Blake probably received a lot more first week adds than Toby (I don't have the info in front of me, but I assume), so they had less stations to acquire in their second weeks. Maybe Billboard gives bullets to songs that pull in a certain number of adds, regardless of spin/AI loss?
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Post by jesster on Oct 31, 2014 19:00:37 GMT -5
This seems to be tracking ok now that the big bump from the debut day has passed by. I heard it twice on my station in the last 24 hours, during drive time last night and this a.m. on the morning show.
Hope it hangs on decently, I can just imagine next year there will be the Toby Keith & Friends' Drunk Americans Tour. Great tour title. Sponsored by Ford trucks, of course ;)
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