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Post by Zazie on Dec 4, 2014 22:15:49 GMT -5
What is wrong with the title "Maybe I Mean Yes"? At the time this single was released, there was a lot of discussion of whether women always meant it when they said "no" to sex, and whether that could be evidence in a criminal case. I think there were a couple of widely-discussed trials in which the men's defense to the rape charge was "she didn't mean it when she said 'no'" but I don't remember the details. The Holly Dunn song wasn't about consent to sex, but was much more frivolous; still, the title reminded some people of the controversy.
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Post by someguy on Dec 4, 2014 23:25:16 GMT -5
I remember there was such a huge controversy over Holly's song. I was still a little young to understand it completely, but I remember a big deal being made about it. Her career was on the decline then, but after that she dropped off so quickly, and never made the top 40 again.
I remember Pam's song being pulled, too. At the time, I remember being really confused that the song just seemed to vanish (it was still climbing on my local station's countdown, and I remember one week it just dropped off completely from #21, which was basically unheard of).
So I can definitely see something like that happening here, but maybe even moreson because the song isn't a hit yet (it just debuted at #55). It would be very easy for them to move on if they wanted to, since most people likely don't even realize that "Riot" is a single yet (unlike Pam, who was in the top 20 at the time).
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Post by dajross6 on Dec 5, 2014 1:04:16 GMT -5
That would be a shame because this is a fantastic song :)
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Post by zaclord 🌈 on Dec 5, 2014 17:37:21 GMT -5
So I have zero recollection of this song being on their album from when I first listened to it a couple times when it came out. Mostly because I remember not liking anything on the album other than "Rewind". But after listening to this again, I love it. I hope it does better for them than the atrocious "Payback" did.
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Post by Ten Pound Hammer on Jan 1, 2015 12:45:53 GMT -5
I think this song is decently written, but at first listen, I think the hook "there's gonna be a riot" seems disconnected from the rest of the song. There's really nothing in the song that backs up that image any.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2015 12:50:13 GMT -5
Has this made an impact on the charts yet? Seems like it should of at least entered the charts by now.
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Post by sabre14 on Jan 1, 2015 13:11:02 GMT -5
Has this made an impact on the charts yet? Seems like it should of at least entered the charts by now. It's currently #50 on the MB rolling chart and was at #50 during the final normal chart week of 2014. Keith will be sent recurrent on Sunday and Jana should fall below so "Riot" will most likely be higher than it sits right now but I'm still not optimistic about its chances. Its total audience is just over 2 million and it went for adds on November 24th. There's just not much buzz about this single and all their momentum was squandered by the under performance of "Payback". This one's going to be a longer fight up the charts than Rascal Flatts have been used to and I really don't expect this to be a big hit for them.
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Post by Zazie on Jan 1, 2015 14:33:58 GMT -5
Following up on Sabre's comment, I think this song has spent 19 of its 21 MB-charting days at #50, but it has a good chance to move up higher with the exit of some of 2014's delayed recurrents. And its peak position has been at 48 on Billboard, where it should benefit from the Christmas songs leaving.
On the other hand, you'd think there will be some fast climbers shooting right past Riot when the new 2015 singles start to be released. LBT and Miranda, for example, will start the parade. There will be many others.
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Post by Daryl the Beryl on Jan 11, 2015 22:19:26 GMT -5
Top 40 on Mediabase:
47 39 RASCAL FLATTS Riot 812 604 208 3.356
Could do something
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Post by .indulgecountry on Jan 12, 2015 0:35:45 GMT -5
The subdued instrumentation on this version is very nice and damn they killed it vocally!
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Post by cufan7 on Jan 12, 2015 13:33:43 GMT -5
This is the first song I've really liked from them in a long time.
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Post by Daryl the Beryl on Jan 13, 2015 2:54:45 GMT -5
Top 40 on Billboard:
40 46 RIOT Big Machine Rascal Flatts
7 weeks on chart Audience:3.173 million (+1.017) Plays: 810 (+213) Rank in terms of plays: 39
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Post by .indulgecountry on Jan 14, 2015 2:31:10 GMT -5
I'm hearing this all the time on the radio in Kansas City, and I'm loving it! I hope this turns into a bigger hit for them than "Payback" was, even though I liked that one as well. But "Riot" continues to just get better and better the more I hear it, and it sounds immaculate on the radio, imo. Definitely one of their very best singles.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2015 23:56:45 GMT -5
Count me in among those who really enjoy this one. I really enjoy the violin and piano intro, and I think Gary sounds really good on this one. I also like the lyrics a lot. There's some great imagery in the opening lines "I'd be ridin' in a cab goin' downtown / Finding faces I know in a big crowd / Trying to drink the pain away". I also really like the line "there would be a riot / breakin' up my heart, I'd try to fight it" that kicks off the chorus and serves as the 'hook'.
I didn't much care for "Payback" (it was ok though) but I like "Riot" a lot and I really enjoyed "Rewind" as well. Those 2 are the only ones I've truly enjoyed since they moved to Big Machine. There was actually quite a stretch there where I didn't care for hardly any of their singles (most of the stuff from 2008 to 2012 wasn't my cup of tea, although I found a couple singles to be decent), but I'm definitely rooting for this one. It had a slow start, mostly because of the holidays, but in the last 2 weeks alone "Riot" has gained almost 2 million in audience on Billboard. This week has been a much slower week again, but it should still move up several spots on Monday's Billboard chart since a handful of songs will go recurrent. I expect this one to pass Jon Pardi as well.
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Post by Ten Pound Hammer on Jan 25, 2015 13:18:23 GMT -5
There's some great imagery in the opening lines "I'd be ridin' in a cab goin' downtown / Finding faces I know in a big crowd / Trying to drink the pain away". I also really like the line "there would be a riot / breakin' up my heart, I'd try to fight it" that kicks off the chorus and serves as the 'hook'. As I said, I mostly think the lyrics are fine, but nothing in the rest of the song really seems to back up the hook "There would be a riot". To me, the title suggests a darker, moodier, angrier tone than this song has. On the other hand, I like how this song has the typical string and piano RF formula, but dialed down considerably so it builds organically without being over-dramatic, bombastic, and screechy.
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Post by .indulgecountry on Jan 25, 2015 16:27:33 GMT -5
There's some great imagery in the opening lines "I'd be ridin' in a cab goin' downtown / Finding faces I know in a big crowd / Trying to drink the pain away". I also really like the line "there would be a riot / breakin' up my heart, I'd try to fight it" that kicks off the chorus and serves as the 'hook'. As I said, I mostly think the lyrics are fine, but nothing in the rest of the song really seems to back up the hook "There would be a riot". To me, the title suggests a darker, moodier, angrier tone than this song has. I don't understand this. It's just a phrase he picked to reflect his feelings/internal struggles. There's not actually going to be a literal riot because his girl won't come back to him. That would be ridiculous, lmao.
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Post by Ten Pound Hammer on Jan 25, 2015 17:01:21 GMT -5
As I said, I mostly think the lyrics are fine, but nothing in the rest of the song really seems to back up the hook "There would be a riot". To me, the title suggests a darker, moodier, angrier tone than this song has. I don't understand this. It's just a phrase he picked to reflect his feelings/internal struggles. There's not actually going to be a literal riot because his girl won't come back to him. That would be ridiculous, lmao. I know, but if you have a title, something in the song has to connect to that title image. Same problem I had with "Let It Rain" by David Nail — nothing else in the song suggested rain, so I'm left wondering "okay, let what rain? Is it even raining outside in this song?" A good hook ties back into the song in some way. And this song bothers me a bit because the phrase "there would be a riot" seems totally disconnected from the rest of the song.
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Post by .indulgecountry on Jan 25, 2015 17:58:32 GMT -5
I don't understand this. It's just a phrase he picked to reflect his feelings/internal struggles. There's not actually going to be a literal riot because his girl won't come back to him. That would be ridiculous, lmao. I know, but if you have a title, something in the song has to connect to that title image. Same problem I had with "Let It Rain" by David Nail — nothing else in the song suggested rain, so I'm left wondering "okay, let what rain? Is it even raining outside in this song?" That one makes even less sense because he actually makes a reference to him 'drowning' in the first verse and then the hook is him equating rainfall to his world crashing down around him. That's a really common connection to make, and I don't think him referencing specific rain imagery in the song matters. I think you're just taking song lyrics way too literally sometimes. Like how it bothers you that not all the references to communication in "Automatic" are in the same verse.
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Post by Kentucky25 on Jan 25, 2015 19:13:09 GMT -5
I'm not sure I agree with the "Let it Rain" comparison but I see some merit in the disconnect between the hook and the rest of the song on "Riot". It doesn't take away from the song for me, but I can see the point.
"And I'd be stayin' out all night, never goin' home/Girl you know I'd lose all control/If I lost you" This is the only lyric I think really plays into the them of a "riot".
I know it's more about the feeling inside of him than an actual riot but I would like to see more connect to the concept of an actual riot if he's going to say "there would be a riot, if I ever lost you".
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2015 22:31:16 GMT -5
I must agree that a song title can (in most instances) have an effect on the perception of the song. When I saw the title, I was expecting something punchy and rock-driven--aka nothing like the song.
I think depending on what words are used in the title, they can change how we feel about the song subconsciously. Riot is a generally negative word with definitive connotations, such that I would not normally relate to what they are actually talking about in the lyrics.
Of course, this does not apply that often since typically song titles come from hooks or repeated words.
(Just as further emphasis, take the song "Give It All We Got Tonight." If that song had been titled "Fall Into My Kiss" or "Drink Up This Love," perhaps our general perception of the song would be slightly different).
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Post by .indulgecountry on Jan 25, 2015 23:10:34 GMT -5
Riot has a number of definitions. I would say #7 in that list ("an unbridled outbreak, as of emotions, passions, etc.") is what the title of this song is aiming for, and the lyrics to the song support the use of the word in that way. The 'riot' in this song is an internal one driven by emotions.
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Post by rsmatto on Jan 26, 2015 11:03:27 GMT -5
I know Ten Pound Hammer sometimes has difficulty with literal definitions of songs and titles and misses the emotional allegory the lyrics like "Let It Rain" (Which is more about emotions than literal rain, just like "Riot"is about the potential emotions that the protagonist in the song would feel if his girlfriend ever left him). "Riot" is about that emotion, how it'd wreck your insides out, even if it's not literally on the lyrics. Anyone who has ever been dumped (when they thought everything was just fine) would certainly relate to that emotion. What Hammer's experienced, I've experienced before on different songs (usually when I don't understand a pop song metaphor).
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Post by Kentucky25 on Jan 26, 2015 19:42:38 GMT -5
I mean I get that if we're using that definition of riot that would make the lyric make more sense, but I highly doubt the majority of Country music fans would care to look up that definition and they would just assume it's meant to be a riot (especially with riot now becoming synonymous with Ferguson) and find a disconnect with the lyrics.
Like I said though, doesn't take away from my enjoyment of the song, just my opinion if we're getting down to the bare bone details on the lyric.
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Post by .indulgecountry on Jan 26, 2015 19:54:19 GMT -5
I mean I get that if we're using that definition of riot that would make the lyric make more sense, but I highly doubt the majority of Country music fans would care to look up that definition and they would just assume it's meant to be a riot (especially with riot now becoming synonymous with Ferguson) and find a disconnect with the lyrics. Like I said though, doesn't take away from my enjoyment of the song, just my opinion if we're getting down to the bare bone details on the lyric. When I first saw the title for Miranda's "Automatic," my initial thought process connected that word to refer to like an automatic weapon given past songs like "Gunpowder & Lead," i.e. I was clearly wrong because the song couldn't have been further from that, but I don't find fault with the song for using the title in one way that I didn't initially think of. That's not really fair, lol. Honestly, I don't think that anyone would really even be discussing the title for this song rn if it hadn't been for last year's Ferguson riots making national headlines. If there hadn't been riots in the news, then nobody would even be worrying about the connotation of the word. Luckily, it doesn't seem to have had any real effect on the song. It is off to a slow start, but I'd attribute all of that to their current momentum at radio.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2015 16:24:04 GMT -5
Rascal Flatts are making an appearance on Jimmy Kimmel tonight; I assume they'll be performing "Riot."
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Post by onebuffalo on Feb 19, 2015 17:21:37 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2015 21:03:58 GMT -5
It looks like the Kimmel performance did nothing for this; it seems a bit odd there's no push for this, since "Payback" flopped, and this one they loved before the album release.
Since they have a fair amount of press around the Vegas Residency, it's puzzling they aren't using the goodwill to push Riot.
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Post by sabre14 on Feb 19, 2015 21:37:13 GMT -5
Big Machine is promoting this to the best of their ability. The problem was (and I pointed this out before this song even began its climb) that "Riot" was going to have a tough uphill battle, especially coming off the under performance of "Payback". Big Machine is only working two others at radio right now with Tim's latest and Waterloo Revival - so there's plenty of working the phones by their radio promotion department. The song itself, while I agree it's one of their better offerings the past few years, it still isn't exact conducive to a quick rise.
Right now "Riot" is up about 300k in audience since Sunday and it garnered 310k total in audience last week. I think a top 20 peak is the absolute best this song can do and I think their label is committed to getting it there. This slow chart run thus far is exactly what I expected and to be honest if it can keep going beyond the top 25, it exceeded my initial expectations.
Rascal Flatts will never be as big as what they were from 2003-2010 and no television appearance or Vegas stint will have a huge impact in "Riot's" momentum. A little spark perhaps but this song will have to do most of the work by itself.
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Post by rsmatto on Feb 19, 2015 21:41:45 GMT -5
They're in the same boat Lonestar and Toby Keith were in in that they'll generate huge buzz with a first new single and unless the subsequent songs are good, they'll sell around 250-300k albums and have a hit single from albums. Now, if they find the right handful of songs, radio will play them. But all good things end after a time period. I still think "DJ Tonight" would've been a better second single than "Payback."
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Post by sabre14 on Feb 19, 2015 21:58:43 GMT -5
They're in the same boat Lonestar and Toby Keith were in in that they'll generate huge buzz with a first new single and unless the subsequent songs are good, they'll sell around 250-300k albums and have a hit single from albums. Now, if they find the right handful of songs, radio will play them. But all good things end after a time period. I still think "DJ Tonight" would've been a better second single than "Payback."Me as well. I don't love "DJ Tonight", don't get me wrong, but it was definitely the better choice for the follow up to "Rewind". "Payback" just seemed to get on people's nerves and radio was no different. That song from the get go didn't seem to behave like a hit song and it's #21 peak justified that behavior. I really do believe that Rascal Flatts time at country radio is coming to an end. Not an abrupt ending, but a steady decline in single peaks, sales and general interest.
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