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Post by Kanenrá:ke on Apr 26, 2015 11:13:50 GMT -5
6) Miranda Lambert should have never won a single Female Vocalist of the Year trophy. Okay, maybe like one. But to have her be the one to break the record of CMA Female Vocalist trophies held by Martina and Reba?? Absolutely ludicrous. In my opinion, Martina and Reba would be able to make any Miranda song better, yet she wouldn't be able to sing like 80% of either of their outputs. Now, if Carrie had been the one to break that record, I would have no qualms about it whatsoever. The fact that Miranda continues to win Female Vocalist trophies over Carrie is pretty ludicrous too. Vocally, I think of Carrie as being in a very similar league with Martina and Reba. While Miranda has more of a Shania-like range with less catchy music. While the award isn't all about vocals, I strongly believe it is/should be a huge part. For that reason, Miranda breaking records held by Martina and Reba is absolutely embarrassing. Miranda winning Female Vocalist six times at the ACMs is troubling, especially when supreme vocalists like Trisha Yearwood, Carrie Underwood, Faith Hill, and Martina McBride have half that, or less... I think that the award has absolutely nothing to do with vocal capability and it should stay that way. It's the "vocalist" in the title of the award should just be changed to "singer" so people can stop debating this. The award is for the most successful female singer for the given year, if Lisa Gail Allred somehow was the most successful female this coming year I'd be all for her winning the award. Same with how I have no problem with Florida Georgia Line winning duo, they were obviously the most successful so they should win. Yes there's been a few times where it could've gone to Carrie instead but they were always close calls either way.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2015 11:27:28 GMT -5
I've never quite understood why people get so nitpicky over the outcome of any award, including Female vocalist.
Throughout history, the winners are rarely about technicalities, but rather popularity, politics and visibility.
Consider that Miranda released a brand new album that fit within eligibility, while Carrie hasn't released a studio album of new material since 2012.
Everyone in the industry, (including Miranda), has praised Carrie as the best vocalist in the game; she hardly needs some meaningless peice of plastic to be validated.
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Post by onebuffalo on Apr 26, 2015 11:42:43 GMT -5
Another one: One Piece at a Time > A Boy Named Sue I love One Piece At A Time. Especially when Johnny Cash starts 'rapping' the years of the parts he took to make the automobile!
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Post by Markus Meyer on Apr 26, 2015 13:05:27 GMT -5
I've never quite understood why people get so nitpicky over the outcome of any award, including Female vocalist. Throughout history, the winners are rarely about technicalities, but rather popularity, politics and visibility. Consider that Miranda released a brand new album that fit within eligibility, while Carrie hasn't released a studio album of new material since 2012. Everyone in the industry, (including Miranda), has praised Carrie as the best vocalist in the game; she hardly needs some meaningless peice of plastic to be validated. I don't think many are criticizing this year's victory, but the problem is that she won in years where she didn't have a new album out, while Carrie dominated with her 'Blown Away' era and should have been the runaway winner, and when Kacey released a very successful album as well. She might deserve it this year, but not a chance she deserved all six wins.
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Post by carrieidol1 on Apr 26, 2015 14:13:45 GMT -5
Yeah, I didn't mean to imply that Miranda shouldn't have ever won, there have just been years that probably should have gone to Carrie, particularly 2013. Miranda winning six and Carrie winning zero over the past six years is not reflective of their respective successes over the past six years in all of country music. The fact that Carrie is also one of the best vocalists in country music history is just the kicker, for me at least.
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Post by Andy on Apr 28, 2015 18:49:32 GMT -5
-I think both "Long Way to Go" and "River of Love" are, while fluffy, pretty decent singles.
-I don't give a hoot about any awards show. At all.
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Post by carriekins on Apr 28, 2015 19:02:16 GMT -5
-I think both "Long Way to Go" and "River of Love" are, while fluffy, pretty decent singles. -I don't give a hoot about any awards show. At all. I heart River of Love.
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Post by Andy on Apr 28, 2015 19:11:08 GMT -5
* If Trout Fishing in America were on a major label instead of self-released, then they would've had at least a couple hits. Listen to this and tell me that it wouldn't have been a Top 10 hit around 1992. That was really good, thanks for sharing. :)
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Post by Ten Pound Hammer on Apr 28, 2015 21:32:29 GMT -5
* If Trout Fishing in America were on a major label instead of self-released, then they would've had at least a couple hits. Listen to this and tell me that it wouldn't have been a Top 10 hit around 1992. That was really good, thanks for sharing. :) Trout Fishing in America is a great group. They have a lot of country-folk songs like that mixed with more goofy children's material. I think they have a really great stylistic range and are well worth checking out. That song is from "Over the Limit", probably my favorite album of theirs.
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Post by Andy on Apr 28, 2015 21:38:09 GMT -5
That was really good, thanks for sharing. :) Trout Fishing in America is a great group. They have a lot of country-folk songs like that mixed with more goofy children's material. I think they have a really great stylistic range and are well worth checking out. That song is from "Over the Limit", probably my favorite album of theirs. Nice, used copies of that album are very cheap online, I'm going to grab a copy next time I buy music. I'm addicted to that song, I've listened to it like four times today, lol.
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Post by Uncle Lumpy on Apr 29, 2015 11:35:40 GMT -5
I think I'm the only person on the planet that prefers a solo Ronnie Dunn to Brooks & Dunn.
Although I'm still a huge fan , Dwight Yoakam hasn't released a truly excellent album since 1995's "Gone".
I would rather see artists I look up to stay true to themselves and become irrelevant to mainstream country , than to bend to goofy trends on mainstream radio. *cough* Brad Paisley *cough*.
I detest Willie Nelson guitar picking. Love ya Willie , but seriously you have been playing the same Spanish lead for 60 years man.
I want my musical heros to be happy , but I think happy marriages harmed both Travis Tritt & Clint Blacks musical outputs.
Even if I could bring myself to enjoy Jason Aldeans music & respect his talent , I don't think I could be a fan as his arrogance is almost palpable.
I've grown to detest mainstream country radio so much I almost consider myself country music anarchist (Ha! I just coined that) & kinda wish it would go ahead an eat it itself. Welcome Steven Tyler & Nelly!
I love Chris Stapleton & have much respect for him , but that respect is ever so slightly chipped away every time I see his name attached to a turd like "Crash & Burn".
I used to live for live music and believe in supporting artists, but ticket & beer prices have stopped me from attending live concerts. The last show was the George Jones tribute a year and a half ago and before that....? At least a decade....
Although , I'm still no fan Of Taylor Swift , I can at least admire her honesty for properly defining her music as pop.
I believe the "I love Johnny Cash , but not country music" crowd are really just posers , and just include Cash to appear cool to their hipster friends.
While I enjoyed the idea behind Maddie & Tae's first single , they strike me as a one trick pony ...and not very talented from my limited exposure.
As much as I wish it weren't so , lets be honest. Randy Travis will never sing again.
I find Dustin Lynch as interesting as a mustard sandwich , and the only way he could entertain me is if he starred in a Corbin Fisher video. (Don't google that kids)
I love Jamey Johnson , but his recent itune releases have been less than staller.
If one more Hank3 fan tells me he sounds like his grand daddy , I will seriously lose it. No dude , he doesn't. He sounds like a third rate bar singer , that no one would give a s**t about if his name wasn't Hank & Williams.
Holly Williams is the only third tier member of the Williams clan truly carrying on the legacy, and its a crying shame shes not a superstar. If you haven't heard "Waiting On June" , you are missing out.
When I hear an artist or their fans claim this is the REAL "artist A", after their sound changes dramatically (AKA Brett Eldridge). It sullys the music I enjoyed from them a little bit. So you were just faking it , to get a hit? This is also why I often tend to be a fan individual songs in stead of individual artists.
I prefer many of Toby Keith goofy drinking songs over a lot of his serious ballads, Ive never thought he had a great voice for ballads for the most part.
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Post by carrieidol1 on Apr 29, 2015 11:38:45 GMT -5
I love Reba to death but it is sometimes hard to watch her sing. Her voice is amazing, and always spot on. But sometimes I cringe while watching her sing because she makes incredibly odd movements with her mouth. Am I alone?
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Post by trebor on Apr 29, 2015 12:20:37 GMT -5
Even if I could bring myself to enjoy Jason Aldeans music & respect his talent , I don't think I could be a fan as his arrogance is almost palpable.And I always thought of Jason to be the outspoken Mr. Congeniality #SarcasmYou're correct, though; Jason doesn't come across as a prince charming (and neither do some others). I'll try to keep all artist's public antics and life as a private mortal apart. Otherwise, one had to object to almost everything a singer does publicly and in private. And all of what is private should not be of our business, anyway. Do it like me, try not to be a special fan of anybody and just enjoy the music (whatever and how much or little country it is) regardless of what others say.
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Post by Uncle Lumpy on Apr 29, 2015 12:46:21 GMT -5
Even if I could bring myself to enjoy Jason Aldeans music & respect his talent , I don't think I could be a fan as his arrogance is almost palpable.And I always thought of Jason to be the outspoken Mr. Congeniality #SarcasmYou're correct, though; Jason doesn't come across as a prince charming (and neither do some others). I'll try to keep all artist's public antics and life as a private mortal apart. Otherwise, one had to object to almost everything a singer does publicly and in private. And all of what is private should not be of our business, anyway. Do it like me, try not to be a special fan of anybody and just enjoy the music (whatever and how much or little country it is) regardless of what others say. Oh no, my opinion of Aldean isn't rooted from a morality perspective at all. I couldn't care less about all that. For all we know he was in a loveless marriage or maybe his ex-wife cheated first. I don't know. I don't care. None of my business. No my whole arrogance opinion is rooted in his very demeanor. That whole puffed up chest I'm-Bad-Ass way he carries his self is so off putting to me. I've heard similar claims thrown & Toby Keith & Travis Tritt , but those guys at least occasionally laughed at themselves & just as often showed a tender side. But not Aldean , he's to busy being a tough guy. I have enjoyed a handful of songs from him , but its been despite him , not because of him.
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Post by trebor on Apr 29, 2015 13:03:16 GMT -5
And I always thought of Jason to be the outspoken Mr. Congeniality #SarcasmYou're correct, though; Jason doesn't come across as a prince charming (and neither do some others). I'll try to keep all artist's public antics and life as a private mortal apart. Otherwise, one had to object to almost everything a singer does publicly and in private. And all of what is private should not be of our business, anyway. Do it like me, try not to be a special fan of anybody and just enjoy the music (whatever and how much or little country it is) regardless of what others say. Oh no, my opinion of Aldean isn't rooted from a morality perspective at all. I couldn't care less about all that. For all we know he was in a loveless marriage or maybe his ex-wife cheated first. I don't know. I don't care. None of my business. No my whole arrogance opinion is rooted in his very demeanor. That whole puffed up chest I'm-Bad-Ass way he carries his self is so off putting to me. I've heard similar claims thrown & Toby Keith & Travis Tritt , but those guys at least occasionally laughed at themselves & just as often showed a tender side. But not Aldean , he's to busy being a tough guy. I have enjoyed a handful of songs from him , but its been despite him , not because of him. I was not implying your basing it on his private life. Sorry, if I may have made that tie inadvertently. Jeez, I was thinking the exact same thing: that puffed up chest of his: what an impertinence; and as it so happens, my immediate thought was Toby Keith, too.
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Post by Andy on Apr 29, 2015 15:21:08 GMT -5
I would rather see artists I look up to stay true to themselves and become irrelevant to mainstream country , than to bend to goofy trends on mainstream radio. *cough* Brad Paisley *cough* This times a million. Brad Paisley is such a sad case. Joe Nichols too. I wish all veteran mainstream artists would take the Alan Jackson/Marty Stuart/Dwight Yoakam/Kathy Mattea/Lee Ann Womack/Vince Gill/etc. route and continue to release real music, regardless if radio will play it, instead of desperately trying to remain relevant at radio.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2015 17:26:09 GMT -5
I love Chris Stapleton & have much respect for him , but that respect is ever so slightly chipped away every time I see his name attached to a turd like "Crash & Burn". I actually don't think "Crash And Burn" is bad, at least not from a lyrical standpoint. The problem (for me, anyway) is that Thomas and the producers went with the most non-country production possible. I think that, lyrically, CAB could work as a country song, but it's just the production (and Thomas' below average voice) that's a complete turn-off for me.
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Post by Sean on Apr 29, 2015 19:08:10 GMT -5
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Post by carrieidol1 on Apr 29, 2015 19:13:07 GMT -5
^^^ Sean, I totally lover her too! I'm referring to her facial movements particularly when she's doing vocal runs, or gliding from lower to higher notes. She damn near dislocates her jaw sometimes! I agree, though, she really is perfect! I lover her to pieces! (as she would say).
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2015 19:52:14 GMT -5
^^^ Sean, I totally lover her too! I'm referring to her facial movements particularly when she's doing vocal runs, or gliding from lower to higher notes. She damn near dislocates her jaw sometimes! I agree, though, she really is perfect! I lover her to pieces! (as she would say). I have noticed it, but it never bothered me. It kind of adds to he'd character for me. Now sometimes when Jennifer Nettles sings (look up her Night The Lights Went Out in Georgia performance) the actual faces she makes bother me. I love Jennifer and her voice but the faces are strange sometimes. Same gripe, different artist.
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Post by Ten Pound Hammer on Apr 30, 2015 8:45:08 GMT -5
I think I'm the only person on the planet that prefers a solo Ronnie Dunn to Brooks & Dunn. I thought most of B&D's catalog already was "solo Ronnie Dunn". (I know I harp on that a lot, but I will give $50 to anyone who can prove to me that Kix sang so much as a single note on "Believe". I know Kristian didn't sing on Sugarland's "Stay", but he at least PLAYED something on it.) While I enjoyed the idea behind Maddie & Tae's first single , they strike me as a one trick pony ...and not very talented from my limited exposure. "Fly" does not inspire confidence in me. It's just warmed-over Generic Martina-Esque Motivational Platitudes. But I'll wait until I hear more than their two singles. If one more Hank3 fan tells me he sounds like his grand daddy , I will seriously lose it. No dude , he doesn't. He sounds like a third rate bar singer , that no one would give a s**t about if his name wasn't Hank & Williams. Every pic I've seen of Hank III he looks like a sneering, arrogant jerk who can't get through a sentence with about 14 F-bombs.
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Post by Uncle Lumpy on Apr 30, 2015 12:04:38 GMT -5
I think I'm the only person on the planet that prefers a solo Ronnie Dunn to Brooks & Dunn. I thought most of B&D's catalog already was "solo Ronnie Dunn". (I know I harp on that a lot, but I will give $50 to anyone who can prove to me that Kix sang so much as a single note on "Believe". I know Kristian didn't sing on Sugarland's "Stay", but he at least PLAYED something on it.) Yeah , I believe you may have mentioned that a "few times". Ha! Personally , I'm grateful Kix had little to do with those records. As I find his voice.... umm... not good.... at all.
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Post by Uncle Lumpy on Apr 30, 2015 12:33:29 GMT -5
I'm a huge traditional country music fan. But the more I speak with other traditional fans (not here but on facebook) , the more I realize they are a short fuzzed , hard headed , right down ornery bunch . (Yes , I acknowledge the irony of this coming from ME.)There seems to be an all or nothing attitude , that is so unrealistic. The majority seems to not be able to grasp the big picture. And they flat refuse to support an artist that has strayed to far. As in , if you support an artist or song (like McGraws new single) , perhaps they would be more inclined to record more songs like "Diamond Rings & Old Bar Stools". These are my people & I know traditionalists tend to skew older (not that there aren't still a ton of younger people that enjoy it too) but man , it can work my nerves sometimes....
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2015 13:07:41 GMT -5
I would rather see artists I look up to stay true to themselves and become irrelevant to mainstream country , than to bend to goofy trends on mainstream radio. *cough* Brad Paisley *cough* This times a million. Brad Paisley is such a sad case. Joe Nichols too. I wish all veteran mainstream artists would take the Alan Jackson/Marty Stuart/Dwight Yoakam/Kathy Mattea/Lee Ann Womack/Vince Gill/etc. route and continue to release real music, regardless if radio will play it, instead of desperately trying to remain relevant at radio.\ It seems to me like the media has really hyped Brad Paisley up to be the modern "savior" of Traditional Country music,and it leaves me scratching my head. Brad's musical output has been extremely hit-or-miss for years now, and I certainly wouldn't call him the 'savior' of Traditional Country just because he isn't full-blown Pop Country. This post also reminded me of another gripe I have with mainstream critics; they love singer/songwriters and traditional artists, to the point where they can do no wrong. I can't count the number of times I've seen a certain artist praised for a mediocre song (or songwriting), just because critics drool all over them.
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Post by Uncle Lumpy on Apr 30, 2015 13:47:54 GMT -5
This times a million. Brad Paisley is such a sad case. Joe Nichols too. I wish all veteran mainstream artists would take the Alan Jackson/Marty Stuart/Dwight Yoakam/Kathy Mattea/Lee Ann Womack/Vince Gill/etc. route and continue to release real music, regardless if radio will play it, instead of desperately trying to remain relevant at radio.\ It seems to me like the media has really hyped Brad Paisley up to be the modern "savior" of Traditional Country music,and it leaves me scratching my head. Brad's musical output has been extremely hit-or-miss for years now, and I certainly wouldn't call him the 'savior' of Traditional Country just because he isn't full-blown Pop Country. Agreed! I bristle when I hear that as well. He hasn't deserved that sort of praise since the "This Is Country Music" era , and that may be pushing it.
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Post by Kat5Kind on Apr 30, 2015 14:45:29 GMT -5
I'm a huge traditional country music fan. But the more I speak with other traditional fans (not here but on facebook) , the more I realize they are a short fuzzed , hard headed , right down ornery bunch . (Yes , I acknowledge the irony of this coming from ME.)There seems to be an all or nothing attitude , that is so unrealistic. The majority seems to not be able to grasp the big picture. And they flat refuse to support an artist that has strayed to far. As in , if you support an artist or song (like McGraws new single) , perhaps they would be more inclined to record more songs like "Diamond Rings & Old Bar Stools". These are my people & I know traditionalists tend to skew older (not that there aren't still a ton of younger people that enjoy it too) but man , it can work my nerves sometimes.... Finally someone knows how I feel on this forum (and in general). It's like talking to a wall with most traditionalists. Glad I can agree with you on something! :)
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Post by Ten Pound Hammer on Apr 30, 2015 15:50:46 GMT -5
I'm very much a big picture guy when it comes to old or new music. I think it's because I tend to look for the good in every song I hear. Even if a negative element is the first thing that jumps out at me, I still listen to it at least a few more times before deciding whether I like it or not.
And that goes double for classic songs. I can look at an artist's discography and which songs are their most popular, even if those aren't the songs I like most from that artist. For example, I can see why "Islands in the Stream" or "The Gambler" are still incredibly popular, even if I happen to like "Sweet Music Man" and "Tomb of the Unknown Love" the most. (However, I'm still at a loss on "Lady". That song is still such a big hunk of cheese that Kraft Foods should get royalties from it. The continued popularity of John Denver, Don Williams, and Donna Fargo on oldies shows continues to elude me quite often, too.)
Also, I don't get all-or-nothing approaches to any artist. No artist can be on the ball 100% of the time. Even among my own tastes — Zac Brown Band is easily my favorite "mainstream" artist right now, but even they're not perfect. I thought "This Song's for You" with Joey+Rory was awful; I still like "Chicken Fried" and "Whatever It Is" but think those are their weakest singles; and Pandora gave me a couple stripped-down live tracks from some other album that made them sound way too "white guy with guitar"-ish.
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Post by Andy on Apr 30, 2015 18:19:39 GMT -5
I'm a huge traditional country music fan. But the more I speak with other traditional fans (not here but on facebook) , the more I realize they are a short fuzzed , hard headed , right down ornery bunch . (Yes , I acknowledge the irony of this coming from ME.)There seems to be an all or nothing attitude , that is so unrealistic. The majority seems to not be able to grasp the big picture. And they flat refuse to support an artist that has strayed to far. As in , if you support an artist or song (like McGraws new single) , perhaps they would be more inclined to record more songs like "Diamond Rings & Old Bar Stools". These are my people & I know traditionalists tend to skew older (not that there aren't still a ton of younger people that enjoy it too) but man , it can work my nerves sometimes.... Yeah, I feel the same way. I'm an enthusiastic fan of traditional country, but some of the things a few of the hardcore purists say make me facepalm. I sometimes feel like they get way too dogmatic and hung up over how "country" music is. It's like, if you say that it can't be country without heavy steel guitar, than that must mean most Johnny Cash, Kris Kristofferson and Willie Nelson songs are not country. If you say pop-country unequivocally sucks, then you have to throw out some great artists like Patsy Cline, Ronnie Milsap, Jim Reeves, and Trisha Yearwood. I've even seen artists like Alan Jackson and George Strait dismissed as non-country because they're not as "pure" as some other artist or dare insert some non-traditional element into one of their songs. As much as I love the music of, say, Justin Trevino or Wayne Hancock, if every country song had to be super traditional like that, that would suck - homogeneity in any form is bad. All I care is that there is balance and variety, and that the music is intelligent, creative, and, if marketed as country, respects the roots of country music. Sometimes that's pure traditional country, but sometimes it also has elements of rock, folk, jazz, blues, or (gasp!) pop, and that's perfectly okay too.
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Post by Uncle Lumpy on May 27, 2015 14:40:12 GMT -5
With summer time nearly upon us I see the "fun" summer songs are swinging into high gear. I really don't understand the reasoning that deep ballads can only be released and / or played in the winter months. People don't reflect in the summer months? Is there a law I'm unaware that people cant be depressed when its warm outside? Its like the entire country demo turns into beer swilling air heads from April to September. Im pretty sure this is a fairly new concept as well...like last 10 years.
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Post by carrieidol1 on May 27, 2015 14:47:32 GMT -5
Carrie Underwood's "One Way Ticket" would have been a summer smash... I know a lot of Carrie fans didn't like the song, but it remains one of my favorites from Carrie, and I think it would have fit well on country radio the summer after "Blown Away" the album was released.
I used it as a ring-back tone for a year and a bunch of people asked about it after hearing it on my phone. I think one or two even bought it...
Definitely wasn't a critical masterpiece, and probably wouldn't have won any awards, but I think casual country fans would have ate it up!
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