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Post by Ten Pound Hammer on Dec 31, 2014 12:42:35 GMT -5
Well, this song must be popular because a karaoke version is on the charts.
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Post by onebuffalo on Dec 31, 2014 12:54:09 GMT -5
Well, this song must be popular because a karaoke version is on the charts. The Nashville Nuggets debuted Mom at #46 on the mongrel chart and #32 on the digital songs chart a few weeks ago.
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Post by sabre14 on Jan 3, 2015 14:35:15 GMT -5
After a promising start, "Mom" has it a snag since the week before the Holidays. It's daily update today was +2 spins and -107k in audience - not a big deal. But if you take a look at how "Mom" has done since the 15th of December (last MB chart week of 2014), roughly 20 days worth, it's total audience gains have accumulated to just +117k. If you take a gander at the surrounding songs, the gains since mid December are all considerably greater than Garth's.
"Drunk Americans" (+507k) "Baby Be My Love Song" (+1.322) "Take Your Time" (+5.579) "Gentle On My Mind" (+350k) "She Don't Love You" (+952k) "Lay Low" (+1.457) "Love Me Like You Mean It" (+1.222) "Hard To Be Cool" (+546k) "Don't It" (+1.471) "Mom" (+117k) "Trouble" ("+1.463) "Love You Like That" (+850k)
Kelsea and Gloriana's songs benefited from gaining back they're spins and audience they lost on Cumulus after the Christmas break, so that needs to be taken into consideration, but Garth's song has struggled to gain spins and audience the most out of all those songs, save for "Gentle On My Mind" and "Drunk Americans" which I also see not doing much beyond what they've accomplished thus far. Plus the Christmas break is also a factor.
It's so hard to pinpoint how well Garth will do at radio with his singles but RCA needs to pick up the pace if they expect "Mom" to be a sizable hit for Garth.
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Post by onebuffalo on Jan 3, 2015 14:51:40 GMT -5
I'm wondering if country radio will still have a soft spot for Mom now that the holidays are over. Too bad this song did not debut closer to May when Mother's Day occurs.
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Post by sabre14 on Jan 16, 2015 14:16:05 GMT -5
Over the past 32 days, dating back to December 14th, "Mom" has lost 100k in total audience on MB - that's alarmingly bad. It's lost over 300k in audience since Sunday. Now it has gotten 10 adds over the past two weeks which is a positive but so far it's not had any sort of impact.
Like I said up thread, it's hard to pinpoint exactly how a Garth song will perform at radio since he's been away from the game for so long but radio is not overly enthusiastic about his first two singles (other than the debut of "People Loving People"). I know he's still not on iTunes and is only available on GhostTunes but I would think radio does know that people are wanting Garth music since he is an icon, but not enough to get this song spun into heavier rotation. I still am sticking to the opinion that, even though it's a touching song, it was not the best choice for the second single and an upbeat single would have been the best course of action. Unfortunately I'm looking more right as the days go by.
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Post by rsmatto on Jan 16, 2015 16:43:00 GMT -5
Over the past 32 days, dating back to December 14th, "Mom" has lost 100k in total audience on MB - that's alarmingly bad. It's lost over 300k in audience since Sunday. Now it has gotten 10 adds over the past two weeks which is a positive but so far it's not had any sort of impact. Like I said up thread, it's hard to pinpoint exactly how a Garth song will perform at radio since he's been away from the game for so long but radio is not overly enthusiastic about his first two singles (other than the debut of "People Loving People"). I know he's still not on iTunes and is only available on GhostTunes but I would think radio does know that people are wanting Garth music since he is an icon, but not enough to get this song spun into heavier rotation. I still am sticking to the opinion that, even though it's a touching song, it was not the best choice for the second single and an upbeat single would have been the best course of action. Unfortunately I'm looking more right as the days go by. He just needs the right song. It may be smart for him to move onto the next album after one more single 'try.' Come guns blazing with a rockin' type of song.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2015 19:42:22 GMT -5
I almost forgot this song was still out I have a feeling his other rumored 2015 album will be a lot stronger than what he's doing now. As for this song, I'm not the least bit surprised that its suffering. Its way too strong of a topic for radio to handle anymore,and even next to slower type songs like What We Ain't Got and She Don't Love You, this just feels way out of place. Its obvious that Garth doesn't give a rats a$$ about what songs he chooses, so if any of them are seemingly fair game why not just go for the overall better, more Garth sounding songs like Midnight Train, Tacoma or even the, IMO, pretty radio friendly song Wrong About You? I rated his album a bit too high on my year end list so I'm hoping Garth gets his head straight for 2015
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Post by McCreerian on Jan 16, 2015 19:54:40 GMT -5
"All American Kid" and "She's Tired of Boys" are his best chances at hits and both would be incredible singles.
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Post by lasvegaskid on Jan 16, 2015 23:01:32 GMT -5
It was also the most added song to Country radio 2 weeks ago. It had healthy adds this week too. Maybe he just doesn't understand how to interpret chart data and is only going by what his local station (Vegas I presume) is playing. Basing the life of a single off of one's local station is a common mistake for armature chart watchers. "Mom" is going to be around for a long time to come! I am going to say it again. This song is D-O-N-E. And the album is done as well. I doubt they even release another single.
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Post by sabre14 on Jan 17, 2015 0:36:26 GMT -5
It was also the most added song to Country radio 2 weeks ago. It had healthy adds this week too. Maybe he just doesn't understand how to interpret chart data and is only going by what his local station (Vegas I presume) is playing. Basing the life of a single off of one's local station is a common mistake for armature chart watchers. "Mom" is going to be around for a long time to come! I am going to say it again. This song is D-O-N-E. And the album is done as well. I doubt they even release another single. That post you quoted was said on December 6th - only 13 days after "Mom" went for adds. It's January 16th (well 17th now). This song was looking somewhat promising then. Then before the holidays it has hit a wall. You gotta look at when posts were made.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2015 6:36:24 GMT -5
It was also the most added song to Country radio 2 weeks ago. It had healthy adds this week too. Maybe he just doesn't understand how to interpret chart data and is only going by what his local station (Vegas I presume) is playing. Basing the life of a single off of one's local station is a common mistake for armature chart watchers. "Mom" is going to be around for a long time to come! I am going to say it again. This song is D-O-N-E. And the album is done as well. I doubt they even release another single. Interesting that you say the album is "done" when it just returned to #1 on Billboard's Top Country Albums chart for a 7th non-consecutive week. I am sure that the recent sales surge had quite a bit to do with his mega-appearance on the Today Show (where he also performed "Mom"), but in any case, this album has done well in the 9+ weeks since its release, especially when you take into account the lukewarm reception its singles have received by country radio. You might be right in that it produces no more singles after "Mom", but I would still argue that it's not 'done'. Personally I hope they try one more single. I think Garth cares a lot about radio success, otherwise he probably wouldn't have made comments saying that "Mom" would stand alongside some of his big hits like "The Dance", "Unanswered Prayers", "If Tomorrow Never Comes", etc. Maybe Garth actually thinks "Mom" is as good as those songs (I certainly don't), but I think that those comments were also made to generate some hype...the only problem is that that hype faded quickly, and "Mom" has been unable to make the top 30. I suppose "Mom" could suddenly start climbing, but I just don't see it. It's been on the chart for 8 weeks now and it's been floundering in the 30's for most of its chart run, watching as older songs by Gloriana, Josh Turner, Easton Corbin, and Eric Paslay have all moved ahead without any sort of a challenge from Garth. And now it stands to be passed by the likes of Kelsea Ballerini, Joe Nichols, Canaan Smith, Little Big Town, and others, including the fast-climbing tunes from Zac Brown Band and A Thousand Horses. I do like "Mom", but I don't think it's an exceptional song, and it's certainly not among my favorites from Garth. Both single choices are certainly not what I would have gone with, and now I am not sure if a 3rd single could do any better. But I hope they do try a 3rd single. I think "All-American Kid" is their best bet, but either "Midnight Train" or "Tacoma" could work too.
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Post by onebuffalo on Jan 17, 2015 8:54:42 GMT -5
It was also the most added song to Country radio 2 weeks ago. It had healthy adds this week too. Maybe he just doesn't understand how to interpret chart data and is only going by what his local station (Vegas I presume) is playing. Basing the life of a single off of one's local station is a common mistake for armature chart watchers. "Mom" is going to be around for a long time to come! I am going to say it again. This song is D-O-N-E. And the album is done as well. I doubt they even release another single. The CD is doing very well (just got the platinum plaque). I truly think a third single is in the works here. After all, Garth Brooks will be touring and needs to sing more new material in support of the CD.
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Post by lasvegaskid on Jan 17, 2015 10:22:43 GMT -5
I really don't consider treading water in the 30s and 40s "promising" for an artist of this caliber. As far as being the #1 album, how many did it move? 15-20k? Granted nobody is selling albums nowadays, but that coming in a post holiday week with few new releases, the number is not that impressive.
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Post by someguy on Jan 17, 2015 10:29:16 GMT -5
I thought "Mom" would be doing better than it is, but I had some reservations about its choice as the second single, especially following up a lead single that didn't do all that well. I actually still really like the song, but it's just not a great fit for country radio in 2015. I do think that it will still make the top 30, but anything beyond that might be out of reach.
Album and tour sales do show that there is a demand for Garth (the album has actually been doing quite well, considering the iTunes/Ghost Tunes thing, lack of radio airplay, and a general overall decline in album sales), so hopefully radio will be willing to play him with the right song.
I still think that they should go with one more single from Man Against Machine before moving on to a new album. "She's Tired Of Boys" seems to be the obvious choice to me (since "Wrong About You" is so short...otherwise I would definitely say that one), but I guess we'll see.
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Post by McCreerian on Jan 17, 2015 10:56:49 GMT -5
I really don't consider treading water in the 30s and 40s "promising" for an artist of this caliber. As far as being the #1 album, how many did it move? 15-20k? Granted nobody is selling albums nowadays, but that coming in a post holiday week with few new releases, the number is not that impressive. I don't know what your agenda is on this forum. All your recent posting history are just ignorant rants against Garth's new music. If you don't like him, fine. No problem there. You are posting in a forum where the majority of users are educated in some way about what they post before they post. In other words we do our research. HAD you done that and simply Googled "Man Against Machines" sales you would see Wikipedia has it updated to 532,000. Not 15-20k. Seriously you actually think albums that sell that low could be #1 for 7 weeks? You did bad at math as a kid didn't you? This album is Platinum because it shipped 1 Million units (CDs) to retailers. It has moved 532,000 of those. Actual sales only count toward single certifications, not albums, which is why this is already Platinum based on sales to retailers. Although Garths 532K is quite impressive when you consider he is "treading water in the 30s and 40s" while artists who are getting #1 and top 10 hits have albums only selling 100-300K. Brad is on his 2nd #1(MB)from his album that came out long before Garth's and Brad's CD only has sold 150K (with ITunes). Don't even bother with a reply saying "Garth's 532K is a bomb based on his previous sales" because this is the 2010's in music, not the 1990s. You can't compare but you actually got that one point right when you said "Granted nobody is selling albums nowadays." So I'll throw ya a bone there. We don't care if you like or actually hate with a passion Garth and his music, but please have an educated opinion before coming here and splashing around facts and figures that a 10 year old could debunk.
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Post by lasvegaskid on Jan 17, 2015 12:30:02 GMT -5
Actually I did "google" before posting. Last week's sales 15,789. I never said total sales of 15-20k. As far as my "agenda" against Garthster, I think I was actually one of the few people here that said I liked PLP.
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Post by 14887fan on Jan 18, 2015 3:41:57 GMT -5
I completely agree that this album is done. Just because it's #1 on the Country Albums chart doesn't mean it has any more radio success left in it. Its first two singles have underperformed immensely. It'll be hard for a third to do any better, especially considering he is not on iTunes or streaming services, and that's how the vast, VAST majority of music listeners access their music. While the album might be selling as a whole, its commercial life is virtually gone, all things considered.
He's got a premature Platinum certification and a successful tour to fall back on for bragging rights this era.
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Post by Zazie on Jan 18, 2015 14:23:56 GMT -5
There's something wrong in the whole approach Garth is taking, if he releases a single and can't get it to the top 30, even though it's a striking song that has gotten some attention and he does have a built-in audience -- maybe not a top-10-size audience anymore but top 30? He should have that. Against him is the unwillingness to use iTunes and maybe also the choice of a polarizing song, although in Garth's case he's no stranger to polarizing topics. But even if he made some questionable decisions, I'm impressed by the magnitude of the failure.
It looks to me like the single will be gone from the charts in 3-4 weeks at the most. Couldn't keep the first single alive for 10 weeks, and now the second one will barely last that long. He got to #32 on BB (#36 on MB) and he'll be lucky to stay in the top 40 on the 1/31 Billboard that we'll see this Tuesday. The arrival of new music by Tim, Kenny, Eric and Keith, presumably Carrie -- all those joining the current top 30 plus the fast-moving songs by ZBB, Thousand Horses, Ballard, Lambert, Reba -- so many fast-climbers with potential. They're going to take spins away from the older songs that can't quite get going (Jake Owen? Band Perry? Toby Keith?) and they're going to kill Garth's momentum.
A third single might work, or might end the experiment completely. I think I'd go record some new material and try marketing it a lot differently.
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Post by sabre14 on Jan 18, 2015 15:16:23 GMT -5
"Mom" is just stuck in the mud right now. Garth will land at #38 this week, down from #35 with a loss of 300k in audience.
If I'm Garth and company (RCA), I would be extremely nervous about the long term radio future. Now whether Garth cares about that as much as he used to is anybody's guess right now, but I'm sure he would like having top 10's again. He used to have a wacky way about him in terms of chart runs in his hay day but this comeback album era has just been horribly mismanaged, save for the concerts which is definitely his bread and butter. The comeback single was a huge miss. Then the second single was just about as bad a decision as they could have made with another somber, sentimental ballad - after a total flame out with the first single. Not to mention the non-availability on iTunes. There's also the dreadful album cover if you'd like to add insult to injury.
I think I'm leaning towards them coming back with new material as soon as possible after "Mom" is finished. I don't think though that Garth has new material lined up already since they just released Man Against Machine, so I suspect we will see one more single from this project.
Radio success wise, this album era could not have gone any worse with the first two singles.
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Post by lasvegaskid on Jan 18, 2015 16:00:05 GMT -5
The reason I think there won't be anymore singles is after reading these boards, there isn't one song that is just jumping off the platters dying to be released. At most there are a few tunes that are receiving a little more than lukewarm interest.
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Post by someguy on Jan 20, 2015 22:01:16 GMT -5
Garth had a really bad week on Billboard, losing his bullet and dropping 34-39 (despite only losing about 200K in AI). This looking like the end of "Mom". Even a few days ago, I was hopeful it would turn around and at least make the top 30, but that doesn't seem to be the case now.
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Post by Daryl the Beryl on Jan 20, 2015 22:03:04 GMT -5
Even a few days ago, I was hopeful it would turn around and at least make the top 30, but that doesn't seem to be the case now. Although this got 6 adds this week, I also don't see this being a hit.
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Post by lasvegaskid on Jan 20, 2015 23:13:27 GMT -5
I thought "Mom" would be doing better than it is, but I had some reservations about its choice as the second single, especially following up a lead single that didn't do all that well. I actually still really like the song, but it's just not a great fit for country radio in 2015. I do think that it will still make the top 30, but anything beyond that might be out of reach. Album and tour sales do show that there is a demand for Garth (the album has actually been doing quite well, considering the iTunes/Ghost Tunes thing, lack of radio airplay, and a general overall decline in album sales), so hopefully radio will be willing to play him with the right song. I still think that they should go with one more single from Man Against Machine before moving on to a new album. "She's Tired Of Boys" seems to be the obvious choice to me (since "Wrong About You" is so short...otherwise I would definitely say that one), but I guess we'll see. For a legacy act like this, I think radio play has been decoupled from concert ticket sales. He might become like a Jimmy Buffett/James Taylor that continue to have tour success but haven't had a real hit in 30 years.
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Post by RobbyFlorida on Jan 21, 2015 1:25:15 GMT -5
I must say the radio reception regarding both songs off this new album baffles me. It seems radio went from one extreme to another with Garth. Back in 2007, they manipulated the chart for an unheard of #1 DEBUT for "More Than A Memory" on Billboard Country Single Chart to Garth's songs not breaking top 30.
Shouldn't there be a happy medium. And this is coming from someone who was pissed in 2007 because Reba's and Kelly's "Because Of You" was all set to go #1 after sitting at #2 the week before when Garth debuted at #1.
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Post by matty005 on Jan 21, 2015 10:32:16 GMT -5
I must say the radio reception regarding both songs off this new album baffles me. It seems radio went from one extreme to another with Garth. Back in 2007, they manipulated the chart for an unheard of #1 DEBUT for "More Than A Memory" on Billboard Country Single Chart to Garth's songs not breaking top 30. Shouldn't there be a happy medium. And this is coming from someone who was pissed in 2007 because Reba's and Kelly's "Because Of You" was all set to go #1 after sitting at #2 the week before when Garth debuted at #1. "More Than a Memory" was fantastic. If he would have released a song like that, rather than these two duds, there is no way he doesn't make the top 10.
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Post by RobbyFlorida on Jan 21, 2015 12:01:57 GMT -5
I must say the radio reception regarding both songs off this new album baffles me. It seems radio went from one extreme to another with Garth. Back in 2007, they manipulated the chart for an unheard of #1 DEBUT for "More Than A Memory" on Billboard Country Single Chart to Garth's songs not breaking top 30. Shouldn't there be a happy medium. And this is coming from someone who was pissed in 2007 because Reba's and Kelly's "Because Of You" was all set to go #1 after sitting at #2 the week before when Garth debuted at #1. "More Than a Memory" was fantastic. If he would have released a song like that, rather than these two duds, there is no way he doesn't make the top 10. Fantastic? How can you evaluate a song's quality in regard to charting when it is pushed to #1 it's first week out without giving it time to validate itself?
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Post by matty005 on Jan 21, 2015 12:12:20 GMT -5
"More Than a Memory" was fantastic. If he would have released a song like that, rather than these two duds, there is no way he doesn't make the top 10. Fantastic? How can you evaluate a song's quality in regard to charting when it is pushed to #1 it's first week out without giving it time to validate itself? I am speaking of my personal opinion of the song. I am not saying it should have debuted at #1. But it was a great song. If he had released that type of song now, he would be in the top 5.
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Post by Daryl the Beryl on Jan 26, 2015 21:47:11 GMT -5
In danger of going recurrent on BB next week as this is it's 2nd consecutive bulletless week
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Post by dajross6 on Jan 27, 2015 11:24:33 GMT -5
Radio is much different now than it was when More Than A Memory was released. There is honestly a low number of executives who are manipulating the country radio chart right now which results in big jumps to get a week at the top and a further gap to jump for older artists and brand new acts. Nothing new here, it's just a different environment today than it was. Whatever the next George Strait/Alan Jackson single is will have the same difficulties.
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Post by rsmatto on Jan 27, 2015 11:42:04 GMT -5
Garth CAN have hits. Just like Strait and Toby Keith and Alan Jackson can. It'll just take a song radio thinks is right for the current format to do it. Garth should've released anything but the two songs he released. Maybe "Tacoma" should've been the first single all along. He wasted the good-will capital that went towards "People Loving People" and the cut off verse of "Mom" made the song drastically different than the album version and it, too, may have been to metaphysical (or spiritual) to get too high up the charts. If he chooses the right third single from this project, he can still have a huge hit. It just takes the right one. This is a PERFECT example of a star who probably doesn't listen to his partners enough about song selection for singles. Then again, he could've been thinking it was still 2001 where he could get virtually anything up the charts.
It'll be interesting to see which song follows "Mom." His album certainly is NOT radio-friendly in today's terms (sadly).
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