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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2015 12:41:29 GMT -5
More Than a Memory was an excellenr song by an excellent songwriter that should have debuted high anyway, from any established artist. The fact that it was Garth pushed it as high as it was.
People Loving People was just a really crappy song in almost every way possible. That's my personal opinion. It just wasn't a great song. It was an instant station-changer for me.
Mom could have been released 15 years ago and would have been a marginal hit. There's nothing magnificent about this one either. Great meaning but in terms of ballads, there's not even any consistent structure or memorable melody. Honestly the only thing going for it is the emotional connection to one's mother.
The fact that this one is floundering to me has nothing to do with Garth being past his time on radio, it's just a mediocre song. On the flipside, I Got a Car by George Strait should have gone higher than it did, even though he's had much better songs.
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Post by sabre14 on Jan 31, 2015 15:37:13 GMT -5
This isn't even gonna come close to cracking the top 30. "Mom" loses another 110k in audience today and is down 374k this week. Garth has actually lost over 1.0 million in audience since January 11th and if it wasn't for a slight spin increase the past two weeks, "Mom" might be in danger of being sent recurrent on MB tomorrow. It won't have a bullet tomorrow barring a miraculous recovery, and right now it's looking like "Mom" will land at #39 on MB this week, with a small chance Dustin finds a way to leap him and bumps Garth back to #40.
"Mom's" peak is looking like #35 which it garnered on the January 12th issued MB chart.
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Post by someguy on Jan 31, 2015 15:46:28 GMT -5
This will also be its third bulletless week in a row on Billboard, so unless it can somehow post a gain there on Monday, it will go recurent with a #32 peak.
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Post by sabre14 on Feb 1, 2015 13:52:52 GMT -5
I don't know if "Mom" can avoid going recurrent on Billboard tomorrow but RCA was able to rack up a +63 spin increase on MB today which puts it at a +6 spin increase for the week. It still posted a 300k loss in audience but its spin increase should be able to spare "Mom" another bulleted week, though I'm sure it will have a points loss.
Even with the dramatic one day spin increase, this song is going absolutely nowhere and it's only a matter of time before RCA concedes.
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Post by Zazie on Feb 1, 2015 21:41:03 GMT -5
I don't know if "Mom" can avoid going recurrent on Billboard tomorrow but RCA was able to rack up a +63 spin increase on MB today which puts it at a +6 spin increase for the week. It still posted a 300k loss in audience but its spin increase should be able to spare "Mom" another bulleted week, though I'm sure it will have a points loss. Even with the dramatic one day spin increase, this song is going absolutely nowhere and it's only a matter of time before RCA concedes. It's up 22 spins since Monday on MB, which is more or less equivalent to the first 6 days of the BB chart week. Not really equivalent, I know that. But it's what I use to track the likelihood of songs going recurrent or managing to re-bullet. If Mom does get a fresh bullet, then it'll stay on the chart for at least 2 weeks beyond this coming Monday. I agree, it's pretty hopeless, although Toby seems to be taking off after looking completely defeated for awhile. Maybe Garth can do that too, although I think it's a false comparison and I'm just mentioning it because Toby has taken me by surprise this past week. Toby's not up a lot of spins but he's gained 2 mill in audience over the last 6 MB days. Garth is very unlikely to match that result.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2015 22:35:56 GMT -5
I don't know if "Mom" can avoid going recurrent on Billboard tomorrow but RCA was able to rack up a +63 spin increase on MB today which puts it at a +6 spin increase for the week. It still posted a 300k loss in audience but its spin increase should be able to spare "Mom" another bulleted week, though I'm sure it will have a points loss. Even with the dramatic one day spin increase, this song is going absolutely nowhere and it's only a matter of time before RCA concedes. It's up 22 spins since Monday on MB, which is more or less equivalent to the first 6 days of the BB chart week. Not really equivalent, I know that. But it's what I use to track the likelihood of songs going recurrent or managing to re-bullet. If Mom does get a fresh bullet, then it'll stay on the chart for at least 2 weeks beyond this coming Monday. I agree, it's pretty hopeless, although Toby seems to be taking off after looking completely defeated for awhile. Maybe Garth can do that too, although I think it's a false comparison and I'm just mentioning it because Toby has taken me by surprise this past week. Toby's not up a lot of spins but he's gained 2 mill in audience over the last 6 MB days. Garth is very unlikely to match that result. Toby's entire 2 mil gain is from Westwood One. I wouldn't be surprised if he loses audience on Billboard. As for Garth, I'm not convinced he's going to get his bullet back. Today's update definitely helped, but the other 5 days were not good. I give "Mom" a 55% chance of going recurrent.
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Post by sabre14 on Feb 1, 2015 22:49:04 GMT -5
It's up 22 spins since Monday on MB, which is more or less equivalent to the first 6 days of the BB chart week. Not really equivalent, I know that. But it's what I use to track the likelihood of songs going recurrent or managing to re-bullet. If Mom does get a fresh bullet, then it'll stay on the chart for at least 2 weeks beyond this coming Monday. I agree, it's pretty hopeless, although Toby seems to be taking off after looking completely defeated for awhile. Maybe Garth can do that too, although I think it's a false comparison and I'm just mentioning it because Toby has taken me by surprise this past week. Toby's not up a lot of spins but he's gained 2 mill in audience over the last 6 MB days. Garth is very unlikely to match that result. Toby's entire 2 mil gain is from Westwood One. I wouldn't be surprised if he loses audience on Billboard. I know this is Garth's thread, but precisely. Toby only increased 34 spins this week. His song is still struggling.
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Post by Zazie on Feb 2, 2015 10:03:31 GMT -5
I stand corrected on Toby. And I agree, it's more likely Garth leaves than stays. Still, it's always entertaining tracking the "3% rule" in its various forms on BB.
Maybe Garth and Toby will donate all their spins to Lee Ann Womack....
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2015 12:57:05 GMT -5
I stand corrected on Toby. And I agree, it's more likely Garth leaves than stays. Still, it's always entertaining tracking the "3% rule" in its various forms on BB. Garth needs to lose about 140k to go recurrent on Billboard, correct? He was without a bullet on the last 2 charts, and he had 4.651 million on the 2/7 chart...3 percent of 4.651 mil = 0.13953 million. On MB last Monday, "Mom" had 5.311 mil, and today, at the conclusion of the 7-day BB tracking week, "Mom" has 5.162 mil. That's a loss of 0.149 mil on MB over the last week. Will that translate to a loss of 140k+ on Billboard? I don't know. It's awfully close. I'm thinking Garth will re-bullet, but I'll say there's a 40% chance that he doesn't and that "Mom" is sent recurrent. Maybe Garth and Toby will donate all their spins to Lee Ann Womack.... Ah, now wouldn't that be nice!
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Post by Daryl the Beryl on Feb 2, 2015 21:16:23 GMT -5
Goes recurrent on Billboard
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Post by sabre14 on Feb 2, 2015 22:11:28 GMT -5
Goes recurrent on Billboard If "Mom" doesn't re-enter (which it certainly could), "People Loving People" and "Mom" spent a combined 17 weeks on the Billboard chart.
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Post by someguy on Feb 2, 2015 22:13:57 GMT -5
Goes recurrent on Billboard If "Mom" doesn't re-enter (which it certainly could), "People Loving People" and "Mom" spent a combined 17 weeks on the Billboard chart. That's just sad for someone of Garth's stature. I never would have believed that if someone predicted it 6 months ago.
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Post by lasvegaskid on Feb 2, 2015 22:40:11 GMT -5
Question is what is next for Garthster? Does he get a mulligan on this whole project, blaming it on rust? Does he get to start with a clean slate for the supposedly upcoming fall release and bill that as his real comeback? Or will that need to be the album of all albums to keep his career as a viable recording artist alive? Can anything be done at this point to keep him from being looked upon as just an oldies act?
Super Bowl 50 halftime anyone?
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Post by matty005 on Feb 2, 2015 22:45:24 GMT -5
Question is what is next for Garthster? Does he get a mulligan on this whole project, blaming it on rust? Does he get to start with a clean slate for the supposedly upcoming fall release and bill that as his real comeback? Or will that need to be the album of all albums to keep his career as a viable recording artist alive? Can anything be done at this point to keep him from being looked upon as just an oldies act? Super Bowl 50 halftime anyone? For some reason, I had never thought of that, but he would be a good choice. Though the last few years, they have only gone with modern acts. The Who is 2010 was the last show that was not a pop artist.
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Post by someguy on Feb 2, 2015 22:47:13 GMT -5
Question is what is next for Garthster? Does he get a mulligan on this whole project, blaming it on rust? Does he get to start with a clean slate for the supposedly upcoming fall release and bill that as his real comeback? Or will that need to be the album of all albums to keep his career as a viable recording artist alive? Can anything be done at this point to keep him from being looked upon as just an oldies act? Super Bowl 50 halftime anyone? For some reason, I had never thought of that, but he would be a good choice. Though the last few years, they have only gone with modern acts. The Who is 2010 was the last show that was not a pop artist. Kenny Chesney was the country artist that I thought most likely to do the half time show, but Garth would be an interesting choice. If anyone can market himself into it, it's Garth.
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Post by dm2081 on Feb 2, 2015 23:35:09 GMT -5
The NFL has recently switched to more modern artists for their halftime shows, so in the country industry, I see Carrie Underwood as the best possibility because of her American Idol exposure. Kenny Chesney, Luke Bryan, or Jason Aldean could maybe be long shots. But I don't think the NFL will ever pick country because unfortunately it's just not mainstream enough yet. Next year the Super Bowl is in California too, so if they ever were to do a country halftime show, I'd think they would wait until the game is played in a southern city, like New Orleans, Dallas, Atlanta, or Tampa.
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Post by sabre14 on Feb 3, 2015 0:04:05 GMT -5
The NFL has recently switched to more modern artists for their halftime shows, so in the country industry, I see Carrie Underwood as the best possibility because of her American Idol exposure. Kenny Chesney, Luke Bryan, or Jason Aldean could maybe be long shots. But I don't think the NFL will ever pick country because unfortunately it's just not mainstream enough yet. Next year the Super Bowl is in California too, so if they ever were to do a country halftime show, I'd think they would wait until the game is played in a southern city, like New Orleans, Dallas, Atlanta, or Tampa. I agree. The NFL (at least for the immediate future) is going for the biggest current music stars, mainly in the pop scene. Luke and Carrie are the only two I see being under consideration. Not to say Garth will never be considered, but its going to most likely be a couple years from now if ever.
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Post by .indulgecountry on Feb 3, 2015 0:13:28 GMT -5
Carrie Underwood was rumored to be getting this year's halftime show before it came out that she was pregnant, so it's possible she could've done it had that not happened. I can definitely see her doing the halftime show, maybe even next year.
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Post by Daryl the Beryl on Feb 3, 2015 3:30:16 GMT -5
I think this era had at least some success. Garth's tour was successful and the album sold well for an album with no hit single (although it was released near Christmas). As for this and People Loving People though....
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Post by onebuffalo on Feb 4, 2015 10:45:57 GMT -5
Goes recurrent on Billboard If "Mom" doesn't re-enter (which it certainly could), "People Loving People" and "Mom" spent a combined 17 weeks on the Billboard chart. To think, his biggest hit, Friends In Low Places spent 19 weeks in the top 40. My have times changed.
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Post by someguy on Feb 7, 2015 18:51:50 GMT -5
It looks like this could be the next member of the 'recurrent for one week then re-enter' club. It has a fairly healthy bullet on Mediabase. I like this song, but I hope it doesn't re-enter (though I am expecting it to).
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Post by sabre14 on Feb 7, 2015 19:43:04 GMT -5
It looks like this could be the next member of the 'recurrent for one week then re-enter' club. It has a fairly healthy bullet on Mediabase. I like this song, but I hope it doesn't re-enter (though I am expecting it to). Barring some collapse the next two days, "Mom" will re-enter on Monday as its up 300k in audience since Sunday. I still don't expect it do to much more, if anything more than it's already accomplished though.
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Post by someguy on Feb 7, 2015 20:12:21 GMT -5
It looks like this could be the next member of the 'recurrent for one week then re-enter' club. It has a fairly healthy bullet on Mediabase. I like this song, but I hope it doesn't re-enter (though I am expecting it to). Barring some collapse the next two days, "Mom" will re-enter on Monday as its up 300k in audience since Sunday. I still don't expect it do to much more, if anything more than it's already accomplished though. Which is the annoying part right there. This to me seems like it'll be another RaeLynn situation.
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Post by sabre14 on Feb 7, 2015 20:16:58 GMT -5
Barring some collapse the next two days, "Mom" will re-enter on Monday as its up 300k in audience since Sunday. I still don't expect it do to much more, if anything more than it's already accomplished though. Which is the annoying part right there. This to me seems like it'll be another RaeLynn situation. Hey, I agree with you. Re-entering this would be meaningless IMO but like we discussed for what seemed like an entire page in the "God Made Girls" thread, Billboard has their recurrent rules set up this way and they allow re-entry so there's nothing I nor you can do about it. I do realize some enjoy re-entry though and there's always the potential, no matter how ridiculously small it is, of a "Almost Home" or "Carolina" situation.
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Post by Zazie on Feb 8, 2015 22:29:38 GMT -5
This song only gained 70 spins over the 7-day period covered by the MB chart. That's an increase (and I have the 6-day gain for audience, which is just about +120k, not much), but if the BB number is in that neighborhood I suspect BB might be able to make itself hold off. After the RaeLynn silliness, why would they rush to re-enter the Garth song? This one can sit on the sidelines another week and see if it proves itself worthy of a re-entry by posting a second week of gains.
Not that I'm the one making these decisions, but something isn't right if they keep interrupting and then resuming and then re-interrupting chart runs.
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Post by sabre14 on Feb 9, 2015 21:01:19 GMT -5
"Mom" doesn't re-enter the Billboard chart. Eureka, lol.
I definitely think today's update was the death blow for this not re-entering the chart tonight.
Although I need to see a few more days to see if next week is another possibility for re-entry, although that's unlikely.
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Post by Daryl the Beryl on Feb 9, 2015 21:25:25 GMT -5
"Mom" doesn't re-enter the Billboard chart. Eureka, lol. I definitely think today's update was the death blow for this not re-entering the chart tonight. Although I need to see a few more days to see if next week is another possibility for re-entry, although that's unlikely. Yay!
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Post by Zazie on Feb 11, 2015 15:33:14 GMT -5
"Mom" doesn't re-enter the Billboard chart. Eureka, lol. I definitely think today's update was the death blow for this not re-entering the chart tonight. Although I need to see a few more days to see if next week is another possibility for re-entry, although that's unlikely. You should be excited by today's MB update. Garth's song gains 1k, the smallest possible audience gain, and also 1 spin. That's the way to overcome recurrency and get back onto the BB chart.
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Post by sabre14 on Feb 11, 2015 17:02:07 GMT -5
"Mom" doesn't re-enter the Billboard chart. Eureka, lol. I definitely think today's update was the death blow for this not re-entering the chart tonight. Although I need to see a few more days to see if next week is another possibility for re-entry, although that's unlikely. You should be excited by today's MB update. Garth's song gains 1k, the smallest possible audience gain, and also 1 spin. That's the way to overcome recurrency and get back onto the BB chart. This is truly remarkable - or sad, depending how you want to look at it. Since December 7th (66 days), "Mom" has lost 261k in audience on MB. Garth's audience was 5.478 million on Sunday, December 7th and his audience today is 5.217 million. "Mom" has literally done nothing for over two straight months. So the 1k audience and 1 spin gain today is pretty much the norm for this song and its chart run.
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Post by sabre14 on Feb 13, 2015 13:08:21 GMT -5
"Mom" lost 171k in audience today, bringing its total lost audience to 324k this week. The bigger number is the 110 spins lost this week which means this song is pretty much finished on MB as well (it went recurrent on Billboard two Sundays ago). If Brantley continues to gain at a moderate pace the next two days, he could leap Garth (depending on how much more Garth loses) and knock "Mom" out of the top 40 by Sunday evening - which means no more countdown spins and the final nail will be in the coffin.
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