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Post by pnobelysk on Mar 5, 2015 7:36:39 GMT -5
New peak of 12 on the hot 100 This week
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Post by pnobelysk on Mar 12, 2015 8:05:59 GMT -5
New peak of 11 on the hot 100 this week
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Post by allow that on Mar 12, 2015 11:37:01 GMT -5
I really want Ush to extend his top 10 tally. I'll be cheering for this dreadful song next week!
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Post by popbox on Mar 12, 2015 14:55:29 GMT -5
I love how he finally gets that urban/pop crossover hit he's been chasing since Love in This Club, and yet he's not even doing a thing to promote it. Not even a video. #mess
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Post by Tea-why on Mar 12, 2015 15:03:01 GMT -5
I love how he finally gets that urban/pop crossover hit he's been chasing since Love in This Club, and yet he's not even doing a thing to promote it. Not even a video. #mess Yeah, it's an absolute mess. This will be his first album since pre-My Way era that could possibly not have a top-10 hit on the hot 100.
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Post by jjose712 on Mar 12, 2015 15:03:29 GMT -5
I don't understand why he didn't have a video for this song (or at least he didn't have one the last time i checked). He is missing the top 10 on the hot 100, and a video should help. It's his biggest hit in a good while, and he had time enough for shooting videos for his collaborations with other artist
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Post by popbox on Mar 12, 2015 15:12:28 GMT -5
I love how he finally gets that urban/pop crossover hit he's been chasing since Love in This Club, and yet he's not even doing a thing to promote it. Not even a video. #mess Yeah, it's an absolute mess. This will be his first album since pre-My Way era that could possibly not have a top-10 hit on the hot 100. It could make it next week, but it would have been beyond easy with proper promo. Could have maybe been a top 5 on CHR and the Hot 100.
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Post by allow that on Mar 12, 2015 15:17:27 GMT -5
Usher isn't promoting this because he doesn't want it to be seen as a lead single. He's going to relaunch his album soon and it's more important to launch a fresh promo campaign then. It's better if it's just seen as a really successful heater.
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Post by popbox on Mar 12, 2015 15:19:08 GMT -5
Usher isn't promoting this because he doesn't want it to be seen as a lead single. He's going to relaunch his album soon and it's more important to launch a fresh promo campaign then. It's better if it's just seen as a really successful heater. Well best of luck to him getting another song with this much crossover potential. Like I said, it really has happened for him since Love In This Club before this.
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Post by vasilios on Mar 12, 2015 16:12:42 GMT -5
Probably blew his video budget on the first two singles.
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Post by allow that on Mar 12, 2015 16:34:39 GMT -5
Usher isn't promoting this because he doesn't want it to be seen as a lead single. He's going to relaunch his album soon and it's more important to launch a fresh promo campaign then. It's better if it's just seen as a really successful heater. Well best of luck to him getting another song with this much crossover potential. Like I said, it really has happened for him since Love In This Club before this. "OMG" went top 10 at both Pop and Urban. In most of the years since, the lack of pop/urban crossover smashes wasn't an epidemic exlusive to Usher. Even other powerhouses like Beyonce had to choose a side with their singles until the tides began changing into a pop-favoring direction sometime around 2013.
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Post by jjose712 on Mar 12, 2015 16:38:04 GMT -5
Well, Beyonce fate is all her fault, because lately most of her songs have no chorus and little to none melody. But Usher didn't change his sound that much, he is simply not finding the right songs to crossover now that it's more difficult to do it.
This song was perfect to change the pace, but he is not making any effort to make it happen
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Post by #LisaRinna on Mar 12, 2015 16:46:30 GMT -5
Well, Beyonce fate is all her fault, because lately most of her songs have no chorus and little to none melody. Beyoncé released "XO" and Pop radio paid it dust. They chose to play "Drunk In Love" which had massive popularity on the other formats, good sales and great streaming yet Pop radio took it to #12 then dropped it. I'm not going to blame her for not catering to Top 40 anymore, she made the right choice.
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Post by allow that on Mar 12, 2015 16:48:47 GMT -5
Well, Beyonce fate is all her fault, because lately most of her songs have no chorus and little to none melody. Your opinion of Beyonce's melodies is beside the point. NO ONE had an easy time creating urban-to-pop crossover hits during the first few years of this decade. Again, he's wise not to focus on this single as it's quite obvious it wouldn't be an album seller. This song is serving its purpose quite nicely; to make radio forget about his radio flops last year and open PD's up tot he possibilities of embracing Usher at radio again. Save the promotional budget for the album campaign because there is no album with this song.
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Post by jjose712 on Mar 13, 2015 3:17:31 GMT -5
Well, Beyonce fate is all her fault, because lately most of her songs have no chorus and little to none melody. Beyoncé released "XO" and Pop radio paid it dust. They chose to play "Drunk In Love" which had massive popularity on the other formats, good sales and great streaming yet Pop radio took it to #12 then dropped it. I'm not going to blame her for not catering to Top 40 anymore, she made the right choice. In terms of sales she did the right choice, but she has no reason to complain about pop not wanting to play her songs. XO is a bad song (lately everything about Beyonce is overpraised, but some of her releases are suppar, Girls is a terrible song, and on pop everything went downhill after Girls). I agree that Drunk in love deserved better, but she is not the only one who has a song underperforming. I still think she won't have a problem getting a pop hit if she really wants to have it, but she clearly doesn't want She is an artist that doesn't need singles hits to sell albums so she can do whatever she wants, and that's exactly what she is doing
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Post by #LisaRinna on Mar 13, 2015 9:25:58 GMT -5
Beyoncé released "XO" and Pop radio paid it dust. They chose to play "Drunk In Love" which had massive popularity on the other formats, good sales and great streaming yet Pop radio took it to #12 then dropped it. I'm not going to blame her for not catering to Top 40 anymore, she made the right choice. In terms of sales she did the right choice, but she has no reason to complain about pop not wanting to play her songs. XO is a bad song (lately everything about Beyonce is overpraised, but some of her releases are suppar, Girls is a terrible song, and on pop everything went downhill after Girls). I agree that Drunk in love deserved better, but she is not the only one who has a song underperforming. I still think she won't have a problem getting a pop hit if she really wants to have it, but she clearly doesn't want She is an artist that doesn't need singles hits to sell albums so she can do whatever she wants, and that's exactly what she is doingExactly. Quality of songs is subjective btw, because "XO" was a clear contender for Pop single on the album.
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Post by allow that on Mar 13, 2015 10:30:24 GMT -5
I officially regret bring up Beyonce as an example now. The focus wasn't meant to be her but the OVERARCHING POINT.
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Post by divasummer on Mar 13, 2015 11:43:28 GMT -5
I wonder if they were surprised with the success of this song. I know Usher has done great on this format but I was surprised how well this has done here. I would say it's because Usher has a name but his last two singles did awful at this format. I thought "She Came To Give It To You" had hit written all over it?????
I would say there's a shift in music at Top 40 with songs by Jeremiah, Natalie DeRosa, and to a lesser extent Ne Yo's latest doing so well at the format. I hope to hear some more songs similar to these on the format.
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Post by #LisaRinna on Mar 13, 2015 11:46:06 GMT -5
I officially regret bring up Beyonce as an example now. The focus wasn't meant to be her but the OVERARCHING POINT. We got it lol. At least I did.
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Post by Wave. on Mar 13, 2015 11:50:06 GMT -5
I wonder if they were surprised with the success of this song. I know Usher has done great on this format but I was surprised how well this has done here. I would say it's because Usher has a name but his last two singles did awful at this format. I thought "She Came To Give It To You" had hit written all over it????? I would say there's a shift in music at Top 40 with songs by Jeremiah, Natalie DeRosa, and to a lesser extent Ne Yo's latest doing so well at the format. I hope to hear some more songs similar to these on the format. They released SCTGITY wayyy to early, then RCA waited too late to promote it after it died. This would be the perfect heater single for this era. So many things have gone left, and it seems like they got it right, finally.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2015 15:07:32 GMT -5
I officially regret bring up Beyonce as an example now. The focus wasn't meant to be her but the OVERARCHING POINT. We got it lol. At least I did. And to add to this I'm pretty sure Beyonce was mentioned for her 4 era (the first time pop paid her dust, even though she was coming off a previously successful era). No clue why the self-titled is the one being debated; she had already 'picked her side' by then. Probably blew his video budget on the first two singles. Neither GK or SCTGITY's videos looked exceptionally expensive, unless this is a (probably well-deserved) comment on how little money RCA has been putting behind its urban artists as a whole. I recall him saying some time ago that he was going to release a live video for it. Normally I'd say that's the lazy/cheap way out, but for this song, that is the most appropriate video to be made.
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Post by popbox on Mar 13, 2015 15:17:56 GMT -5
Well, Beyonce fate is all her fault, because lately most of her songs have no chorus and little to none melody. Beyoncé released "XO" and Pop radio paid it dust. They chose to play "Drunk In Love" which had massive popularity on the other formats, good sales and great streaming yet Pop radio took it to #12 then dropped it. I'm not going to blame her for not catering to Top 40 anymore, she made the right choice. Lol at anyone thinking XO had a shot on any chart. If it weren't released by a name like Beyonce you would have seen how much dust pop radio could really pay it. Beyonce's material hasn't been even remotely poppy enough to crossover in the last several years. Single Ladies is just as much pop as it is urban. It's a perfect 50/50 union. DIL on the other hand is 95% urban. Her best efforts since 4 have been pure urban singles, and her poppy stuff has lacked hooks and catchiness. Now I'm not saying Beyonce wasn't a fantastic album overall or that 4 didn't have its moments, but the fact is she has certainly not been really trying for a crossover hit since the I Am... days. If she really tried I'm sure CHR would be all over her again. Usher on the other hand has tried a lot. Just failed a lot too.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2015 16:49:54 GMT -5
Beyoncé released "XO" and Pop radio paid it dust. They chose to play "Drunk In Love" which had massive popularity on the other formats, good sales and great streaming yet Pop radio took it to #12 then dropped it. I'm not going to blame her for not catering to Top 40 anymore, she made the right choice. Lol at anyone thinking XO had a shot on any chart. If it weren't released by a name like Beyonce you would have seen how much dust pop radio could really pay it. Beyonce's material hasn't been even remotely poppy enough to crossover in the last several years. Single Ladies is just as much pop as it is urban. It's a perfect 50/50 union. DIL on the other hand is 95% urban. Her best efforts since 4 have been pure urban singles, and her poppy stuff has lacked hooks and catchiness. Now I'm not saying Beyonce wasn't a fantastic album overall or that 4 didn't have its moments, but the fact is she has certainly not been really trying for a crossover hit since the I Am... days. If she really tried I'm sure CHR would be all over her again. Usher on the other hand has tried a lot. Just failed a lot too. Which is funny because if I recall correctly, wasn't it pop PDs who convinced Columbia to go with XO because they thought Blow (what the label wanted to send out first) was too risque? They basically picked the safest song on the album (it's no less a pop-friendly midtempo than Halo), and then it still didn't take off. You would think they'd know their own format. And while 4 was and will always be great, I would not brush that off as no attempt at a crossover hit. I'm pretty sure Beyonce expected Run the World (Girls) to be it, but just wasn't, and then instead of digging herself into a hole or pushing back her release she threw up the deuces fast enough to save face and still get her r&b hits and a platinum album. Weirdly, it feels like Usher's tried and failed a lot, but I don't think I would say he has. The only song from Raymond v. Raymond that went to both urban and CHR was OMG. From Looking 4 Myself he only sent Climax to both. From this abortion of an era he sent SCTGITY and now IDM (I think he was going to send GK to pop but it got pulled at the last minute). So he's actually only failed twice at urban-crossover attempts...but those fails in turn effed over one album's sales and has the other one completely delayed until they figure out what the hell to do next. Usher has a predicament that is kind of unique to his situation and I'm not sure what, if anything, he can do to fully recover. IDM probably confuses more than helps.
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Post by skizzo on Mar 13, 2015 17:00:54 GMT -5
XO was amazing :( DIL is better but I love the production on XO
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Post by popbox on Mar 13, 2015 17:08:03 GMT -5
XO has no memorable hook. Absolutely none. Honestly, some of you guys need to realize that just because a song is is a pop song doesn't automatically make it a CHR hit. Halo is one of the hookiest, catchiest pop songs of her entire career. Of course it was a big pop hit and XO wasn't. It's the basic rules of CHR. Strong hooks.
Run the World kind of falls into the same boat as XO. It's not all that memorable like XO coupled with the fact that it was desperately trying to be Single Ladies pt 2. Who wants an inferior rehash? And then she thought it would be smart to follow that up on pop with Irreplaceable pt 2 (Best Thing I Never Had), yet another inferior and less catchy rehash. Again, she has put out nothing since Sweet Dreams that had any major CHR potential. And the proof is in the pudding, as they say. I do agree that Blow had some pop potential though, but they chose not to go there so we'll never know for sure.
Anyways, Usher...
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Post by surfy on Mar 13, 2015 18:42:51 GMT -5
XO has no memorable hook. Absolutely none. Honestly, some of you guys need to realize that just because a song is is a pop song doesn't automatically make it a CHR hit. Halo is one of the hookiest, catchiest pop songs of her entire career. Of course it was a big pop hit and XO wasn't. It's the basic rules of CHR. Strong hooks. I, personally, disagree. I personally thought that the chorus was strong and catchy, but... that's just my opinion.
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Post by popbox on Mar 13, 2015 21:39:18 GMT -5
XO has no memorable hook. Absolutely none. Honestly, some of you guys need to realize that just because a song is is a pop song doesn't automatically make it a CHR hit. Halo is one of the hookiest, catchiest pop songs of her entire career. Of course it was a big pop hit and XO wasn't. It's the basic rules of CHR. Strong hooks. I, personally, disagree. I personally thought that the chorus was strong and catchy, but... that's just my opinion. All I can tell you is the "I love you like XO" short bridge is the closest thing to a memorable hook I can find in XO. I struggle really hard to hear the chorus in my head despite having heard the song plenty of times. Something like Halo is just one of those songs you remember how it goes after one listen. The hooks are practically screaming at you to remember them. Of course we all have our opinions on quality, but I think a strong hook is pretty obvious to most people.
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Post by Wave. on Mar 14, 2015 0:38:00 GMT -5
Girl. I don't mind that Yonce all on our mouths like liquor, but let's get back on topic.
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Post by nick64 on Mar 14, 2015 15:20:43 GMT -5
Lol at anyone thinking XO had a shot on any chart. If it weren't released by a name like Beyonce you would have seen how much dust pop radio could really pay it. Beyonce's material hasn't been even remotely poppy enough to crossover in the last several years. Single Ladies is just as much pop as it is urban. It's a perfect 50/50 union. DIL on the other hand is 95% urban. Her best efforts since 4 have been pure urban singles, and her poppy stuff has lacked hooks and catchiness. Now I'm not saying Beyonce wasn't a fantastic album overall or that 4 didn't have its moments, but the fact is she has certainly not been really trying for a crossover hit since the I Am... days. If she really tried I'm sure CHR would be all over her again. Usher on the other hand has tried a lot. Just failed a lot too. Which is funny because if I recall correctly, wasn't it pop PDs who convinced Columbia to go with XO because they thought Blow (what the label wanted to send out first) was too risque? They basically picked the safest song on the album (it's no less a pop-friendly midtempo than Halo), and then it still didn't take off. You would think they'd know their own format. And while 4 was and will always be great, I would not brush that off as no attempt at a crossover hit. I'm pretty sure Beyonce expected Run the World (Girls) to be it, but just wasn't, and then instead of digging herself into a hole or pushing back her release she threw up the deuces fast enough to save face and still get her r&b hits and a platinum album. Weirdly, it feels like Usher's tried and failed a lot, but I don't think I would say he has. The only song from Raymond v. Raymond that went to both urban and CHR was OMG. From Looking 4 Myself he only sent Climax to both. From this abortion of an era he sent SCTGITY and now IDM (I think he was going to send GK to pop but it got pulled at the last minute). So he's actually only failed twice at urban-crossover attempts...but those fails in turn effed over one album's sales and has the other one completely delayed until they figure out what the hell to do next. Usher has a predicament that is kind of unique to his situation and I'm not sure what, if anything, he can do to fully recover. IDM probably confuses more than helps. He also sent "Hot Tottie" to both formats. It went Top 10 on urban, and Top 30 on pop I believe.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2015 15:59:41 GMT -5
^Actually it doesn't seem like it did, though you have the peaks right. Here's the pop thread for it; CHR picked up on HT on their own after the song leaked, but he never did capitalize on it. It did get sent to urban and rhythmic, but I remember being salty at the time that he never promoted it, because it could have been a legit smash. The original I Don't Mind, maybe? And that brings to mind the thing that has been bugging me the most with Usher over the past several years, which is stupid lost opportunities like this. He'll have a song that could really be something with a push, and he then ignores it. It's like he and RCA are so stuck on him getting his hits a specific way that they're completely inflexible, even if there is a song like Hot Tottie or IDM that could break from their formula. But that formula is what eventually got him in trouble; he was doing separate singles for CHR and urban, and urban fans decided they weren't going to let him have that. But when he releases urban-only singles, pop fans can't or won't keep up with him.
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