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Post by M&TSwiftie on Aug 29, 2015 19:02:30 GMT -5
Fly moved up to no.9 on mediabase this afternoon and no.15 on country iTunes! I guess when the album got released the steam finally picked up :) now let's get it no.1 by cma time or before then lol #starthere
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Post by sabre14 on Aug 29, 2015 19:16:25 GMT -5
Fly moved up to no.9 on mediabase this afternoon and no.15 on country iTunes! I guess when the album got released the steam finally picked up :) now let's get it no.1 by cma time or before then lol #starthere Yeah, "Fly" has surged ahead enough of "Like A Wrecking Ball" that is pretty much assured of a top 10 finish on MB tomorrow. This song is still 31 weeks old and has shown signs of fatigue in August but has gained over 2.0 million in MB audience this week, so Dot might try for at least a top 5 finish. The heavy burn rate on MB's Call-out National Research isn't too bad (7.6%) considering the age of this single, but is testing the lowest positive out of all the top 10 singles. I would promote this another 2-3 weeks before getting another single out there but who knows, maybe they try and get this as high as possible. I'm pretty tired of this song on the radio but I'm not the average listener. Dustin' song will reach #1 at 43 weeks old. I was never super worried about "Fly" during its chart run, even when it took that nasty hit in the spring, so this single reaching the top 10 isn't surprising. After following these two for the past calendar year and learning who they are as people and the quality of their music, I couldn't be happier they now have two top 10 singles.
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Post by Marv on Aug 30, 2015 5:22:11 GMT -5
I also don't see how much higher this wonderful tune can go being 1,500 spins and 9,000,000 AIs behind Kenny Chesney and with FGL very likely to pass them later this week.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2015 9:17:23 GMT -5
I also don't see how much higher this wonderful tune can go being 1,500 spins and 9,000,000 AIs behind Kenny Chesney and with FGL very likely to pass them later this week. I'm not seeing FGL as a threat, really. Their song has been seeing such underwhelming updates in the past month that I'm beginning to wonder if it will even make it to the top. If "Fly" can keep gaining modestly, I don't think anybody behind is a threat in the next 3-4 weeks, except for maybe Luke. Although I do assume they will get a new single out shortly to coincide with the album. Maybe not.
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Post by Marv on Aug 30, 2015 20:02:42 GMT -5
Well having 5 songs essentially dead-even in spins and/I AIs in slots 9-13 with FGL @ #13 tells me that their latest tune isn't in any danger of missing the top 5, so I wouldn't bet the ranch or anything else that they don't enter the top 10 right around Labor Day or shortly thereafter.
I'd love for 'Fly' to at least crack the top five but that will take most or all of September, but it's possible once the awful songs in the top four each gets their week at #1 before they all lose 5,000+ spins within 3-4 weeks of peaking.
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Post by avalyn on Sept 2, 2015 15:50:42 GMT -5
According to an article by Grady Smith, the girls are hoping Shut Up and Fish will be the third single. They seem to be focusing more on the tour though and seeing how high Fly can go. www.theguardian.com/music/2015/sep/02/maddie-tae-girls-singing-their-own-country-songsMaddie & Tae are hoping that Shut Up and Fish, a rollicking and genuinely funny tune about a fishing trip with a hotshot city boy who has “more than just bass on his mind”, will be the third single. In the meantime, they have to finish up their tour with Dierks Bentley, who sought them out after hearing Girl in a Country Song. “I thought it was really good,” he tells me. “Clever, obviously, and brave. I immediately wanted to know more about them.”
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Post by sabre14 on Sept 2, 2015 16:39:12 GMT -5
Maddie & Tae were on WYRK doing a phone interview last week and my friend who works at the station said that "Shup Up And Fish" will "likely" be the next single.
Notice how I said "likely", meaning don't hold me to it if they switch to another track, lol. I'd be surprised if "Shut Up And Fish" wasn't the third single though. :)
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Post by rjz on Sept 2, 2015 17:33:38 GMT -5
I've loved Fly from the start so I am pretty happy it hung on and is slowly making it to the top 5. The lyrics are generic inspiration but I love the feel of the song and their harmonies are gold. Dierks and Maddie and Tae-what a dream concert! Hope they come my way before the tour is finished
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Post by defying gravity on Sept 5, 2015 14:30:06 GMT -5
Please make the top 5. Please make the top 5. Please make the top 5. Please make the top 5. Please make the top 5. PLEASE MAKE THE TOP 5!
I'm not ready for this to go recurrent :(
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Post by M&TSwiftie on Sept 5, 2015 18:27:38 GMT -5
Please make the top 5. Please make the top 5. Please make the top 5. Please make the top 5. Please make the top 5. PLEASE MAKE THE TOP 5! I'm not ready for this to go recurrent :( I'm second this!!! I'm sure it will by end of September or early October they're audience needs to pick up again like it did the week when start here was released its sales on iTunes have too! I say they need a performance on Ellen or jimmy kimmel besides the Jimmy Fallon and today show performance for it to get the push to top 5. It would help so much!
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Post by mus1cr0w on Sept 5, 2015 19:29:23 GMT -5
Eh
This song is a borefest. Bring on "Shut Up & Fish"!
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Post by sabre14 on Sept 6, 2015 11:02:17 GMT -5
Sorry if I come off rude but this post is uncalled for. People can have their opinions just like yours and there's no need to say that, especially capitalizing words. I know you're brand new here but it's kind of frowned upon to have 20 or so posts made consecutively in different threads that don't add much to the conversation. Please don't take this the wrong way; I'm just trying to stear you in the right direction. :)
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Post by Marv on Sept 14, 2015 5:30:52 GMT -5
With the one and done revolving door at the top of the charts still the order of the day, reaching the top 5 would appear to be a safe bet, for even if Luke passes them tomorrow or Wednesday as expected, they'll definitely pass that Sam Hunt piece of excessive bombast and Dustin's abysmal tune with putrid lyrics to match, with that Thomas Rhett train wreck bound to be their next sitting duck victim within three weeks tops.
Reaching the top 5 by mid-October would appear to be a foregone conclusion, more proof that cream DOES rise to the top even in a sea of irrefutably inferior music.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2015 13:06:38 GMT -5
I know Maddie and Tae have proven their popularity with decent single and album sales and they seem to be succeeding in proving their longevity after releasing such a novelty song for their debut single, but I just can't get behind this chart run after seeing what sleazy manipulation Big Machine had to do to keep this going. This was struggling hard a few weeks ago. Florida Georgia Line had passed them on the non-panel charts and was basically neck-and-neck with them on the Mediabase and Billboard published charts. There's just no way I can be convinced that Big Machine didn't beg radio stations to give fewer spins to "Anything Goes" and more spins to "Fly" to keep this going long enough to get the album out and then use strong album sales to sway radio stations to put "Fly" in heavy rotation. It seems like if Maddie & Tae were "on their own" and didn't have an A-list label-mate right behind them on the charts, the bottom could have caved in on this two or three weeks ago and it would've scraped Top 10 at best. Two weeks ago, this was #17 on the Billboard Indicator chart and #15 on the Mediabase Activator chart, while "Anything Goes" was #9 and #10 on these charts, respectively. On different non-panel charts, this was also showing up behind songs from Jake Owen, Cole Swindell, Chase Rice, Kip Moore, and Lady Antebellum.
I make sure to be fair about wanting the songs that deserve to be hits to do well, whether I like them or not, and I'll surely recognize that this duo has sold more albums than a lot of other artists who've had #1 songs this year (even though "Fly" has probably sold fewer individual units per spin and per week than those artists' singles did). However, this really shouldn't climb much higher on the airplay charts. By this point, though, I think "Fly" may come pretty close to #1 (probably a #2 peak, blocked by Luke Bryan), and I have to hope it doesn't continue to struggle in the Top 10, as if it does, I can also count on seeing "Anything Goes" take some more hard hits on the airplay charts as well.
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Post by brian69 on Sept 14, 2015 14:24:18 GMT -5
I know Maddie and Tae have proven their popularity with decent single and album sales and they seem to be succeeding in proving their longevity after releasing such a novelty song for their debut single, but I just can't get behind this chart run after seeing what sleazy manipulation Big Machine had to do to keep this going. This was struggling hard a few weeks ago. Florida Georgia Line had passed them on the non-panel charts and was basically neck-and-neck with them on the Mediabase and Billboard published charts. There's just no way I can be convinced that Big Machine didn't beg radio stations to give fewer spins to "Anything Goes" and more spins to "Fly" to keep this going long enough to get the album out and then use strong album sales to sway radio stations to put "Fly" in heavy rotation. It seems like if Maddie & Tae were "on their own" and didn't have an A-list label-mate right behind them on the charts, the bottom could have caved in on this two or three weeks ago and it would've scraped Top 10 at best. Two weeks ago, this was #17 on the Billboard Indicator chart and #15 on the Mediabase Activator chart, while "Anything Goes" was #9 and #10 on these charts, respectively. On different non-panel charts, this was also showing up behind songs from Jake Owen, Cole Swindell, Chase Rice, Kip Moore, and Lady Antebellum. I make sure to be fair about wanting the songs that deserve to be hits to do well, whether I like them or not, and I'll surely recognize that this duo has sold more albums than a lot of other artists who've had #1 songs this year (even though "Fly" has probably sold fewer individual units per spin and per week than those artists' singles did). However, this really shouldn't climb much higher on the airplay charts. By this point, though, I think "Fly" may come pretty close to #1 (probably a #2 peak, blocked by Luke Bryan), and I have to hope it doesn't continue to struggle in the Top 10, as if it does, I can also count on seeing "Anything Goes" take some more hard hits on the airplay charts as well. I'm guessing not too many Maddie & Tae fans are losing sleep over FGL taking a little longer than usual to top the chart. What you've described happens all the time, so I'm not sure why it bothers you so much in this instance.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2015 14:58:20 GMT -5
For one thing, I have never seen this sort of extreme manipulation before, not even in cases like "Something in the Water" being held back outside the Top 10 for "Perfect Storm" and "Til It's Gone," or "Just Gettin' Started" being held back for "Like a Cowboy." However, the fact that this is a common label practice doesn't make it right. In fact, this may be a big contributor to the decline of country radio's ratings. If labels can get away with "budgeting spins" to help songs that radio shows some resistance to, this opens the door for songs to be pushed much higher up the chart than they should peak, resulting in songs that may cause a lot of listeners to change the station remaining in high levels of rotation for longer than they should.
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Post by rsmatto on Sept 14, 2015 16:24:25 GMT -5
For one thing, I have never seen this sort of extreme manipulation before, not even in cases like "Something in the Water" being held back outside the Top 10 for "Perfect Storm" and "Til It's Gone," or "Just Gettin' Started" being held back for "Like a Cowboy." However, the fact that this is a common label practice doesn't make it right. In fact, this may be a big contributor to the decline of country radio's ratings. If labels can get away with "budgeting spins" to help songs that radio shows some resistance to, this opens the door for songs to be pushed much higher up the chart than they should peak, resulting in songs that may cause a lot of listeners to change the station remaining in high levels of rotation for longer than they should. I think radio's loss of ratings is more due to listeners seeking their music somewhere else than anything else. As for this song, @musicr0w claimed that "Fly" killed the duo's momentum (on the Lauren Alaina "Next Boyfriend" thread) yet I don't see how their "momentum" was killed at all here. It's just what happens when some songs move slower than usual. This, an inspirational mid-tempo ballad, was always going to 'struggle' on a radio station format rife with not serious and more up tempo stuff, to say NOTHING of the duo's lack of sustained success on the chart and the label's relative new track record on the chart (and it's only major success has been M&T so far).
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Post by sixofone on Sept 14, 2015 16:31:09 GMT -5
For one thing, I have never seen this sort of extreme manipulation before, not even in cases like "Something in the Water" being held back outside the Top 10 for "Perfect Storm" and "Til It's Gone," or "Just Gettin' Started" being held back for "Like a Cowboy." However, the fact that this is a common label practice doesn't make it right. In fact, this may be a big contributor to the decline of country radio's ratings. If labels can get away with "budgeting spins" to help songs that radio shows some resistance to, this opens the door for songs to be pushed much higher up the chart than they should peak, resulting in songs that may cause a lot of listeners to change the station remaining in high levels of rotation for longer than they should. Labels have been manipulating the charts in many ways for maximum effect for as long as the charts have existed. The situation you've described is not extreme at all -- it might not be right, but chart manipulation has been occurring in all genres for decades. Ultimately, every song currently on the Country Airplay chart is manipulated to some extent -- a label's "promotion team" is pretty much a barely legal form of payola. There are many, many examples I could cite from various charts, but this one is the most insane example I've ever seen. In late 1992, Wayne Newton spent 1 week at #1 on the Cashbox Top 100 Pop Singles chart with "The Letter" (and 31 weeks on the chart in total). However, the week before, and the 12 weeks after, Whitney Houston's "I Will Always Love You" was #1 -- not necessarily strange, but "The Letter" was nowhere to be found on ANY other chart from Billboard or other companies, so there is zero chance "The Letter" was actually the #1 song in the US that week -- in fact, it had no business being on the chart at all, as no one was buying it (it was an album cut), and radio stations weren't playing it (as opposed to Houston's song, which was all over pop radio and selling tons). Cashbox regularly manipulated its charts, and in this case, Curb Records essentially bribed them to chart "The Letter." By late 1996, Cashbox was out of business.
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Post by mus1cr0w on Sept 14, 2015 17:25:20 GMT -5
For one thing, I have never seen this sort of extreme manipulation before, not even in cases like "Something in the Water" being held back outside the Top 10 for "Perfect Storm" and "Til It's Gone," or "Just Gettin' Started" being held back for "Like a Cowboy." However, the fact that this is a common label practice doesn't make it right. In fact, this may be a big contributor to the decline of country radio's ratings. If labels can get away with "budgeting spins" to help songs that radio shows some resistance to, this opens the door for songs to be pushed much higher up the chart than they should peak, resulting in songs that may cause a lot of listeners to change the station remaining in high levels of rotation for longer than they should. I think radio's loss of ratings is more due to listeners seeking their music somewhere else than anything else. As for this song, @musicr0w claimed that "Fly" killed the duo's momentum (on the Lauren Alaina "Next Boyfriend" thread) yet I don't see how their "momentum" was killed at all here. It's just what happens when some songs move slower than usual. This, an inspirational mid-tempo ballad, was always going to 'struggle' on a radio station format rife with not serious and more up tempo stuff, to say NOTHING of the duo's lack of sustained success on the chart and the label's relative new track record on the chart (and it's only major success has been M&T so far). I suppose what I meant by killing momentum was that this is taking forever and it is not selling anywhere near what "Girl In A Country Song" did. It killed their buzz for months. They got some of it back with great press on the album, but the next single has got to get people rabidly interested like their first single did. MR
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2015 17:37:21 GMT -5
I guess I see the point musicrow is making. "Girl in a Country Song" made a huge splash with really great sales, lots of publicity, and a 23-week climb to #1. So it does kind of seems like "Fly" is transitioning Maddie & Tae away from some of the huge buzz they had after their debut single, as it hasn't sold as much and it was quite a tough sell for radio. However, it's not like "Fly" is just a pathetic seller. Apparently this duo is one of those acts that sells more albums than singles, and even if you discount the strong album showing "Fly" is still selling just a bit below average for a country single. It's holding up better on iTunes than the latest singles from Cole Swindell, Dan + Shay, Blake Shelton, Tim McGraw, and Jason Aldean.
Maddie and Tae could have put out another up-tempo for their second single, which might have done a bit better in single sales and had an easier climb up the charts, but they had the challenge of proving that they're not just a novelty act after "Girl in a Country Song" so I think a low-tempo, "serious" song makes sense as a follow-up to GIACS. It has done the job of showing a second side to this act. Now Maddie & Tae will be able to rebuild some of their radio momentum with an up-tempo third single.
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Post by Marv on Sept 14, 2015 17:40:49 GMT -5
Lots of us have seen chart manipulation jobs which are substantially worse than this one, and one reason why this wonderful tune is still on the rise after 7 months on the charts is that MDs and PD# are under intense pressure to get ratings, and many country PDs frequently have to program 3+ stations in their market thanks to their beancounting bosses. Rest assured that many of them decided to play GIACS as a recurrent rather than jump on this tune upon release which definitely ensured a much longer chart run.
Heck if a standout tune from a format mega-MEGA star needed TWENTY-ONE weeks to finally get to #1 (Southern Voice), then 28 or so weeks on the chart for the second single from a new artist isn't all that strange.
If a one-time McGraw-level superstar such as Tracy Lawrence needed FORTY-ONE weeks to top the charts with the superb 'Find Out Who Your Friends Are' enroute to finishing third for the year in 2007 at R&R/Mediabase by those same cautious PDs and MDs, than this 7+ month chart run is pretty mundane and just not that extreme all things considered.
Just my two cents, and happy 30th birthday to Mediabase!!!!!
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Post by rsmatto on Sept 14, 2015 17:59:33 GMT -5
I think radio's loss of ratings is more due to listeners seeking their music somewhere else than anything else. As for this song, @musicr0w claimed that "Fly" killed the duo's momentum (on the Lauren Alaina "Next Boyfriend" thread) yet I don't see how their "momentum" was killed at all here. It's just what happens when some songs move slower than usual. This, an inspirational mid-tempo ballad, was always going to 'struggle' on a radio station format rife with not serious and more up tempo stuff, to say NOTHING of the duo's lack of sustained success on the chart and the label's relative new track record on the chart (and it's only major success has been M&T so far). I suppose what I meant by killing momentum was that this is taking forever and it is not selling anywhere near what "Girl In A Country Song" did. It killed their buzz for months. They got some of it back with great press on the album, but the next single has got to get people rabidly interested like their first single did. MR It's taking longer than the other song but the other song was more "radio friendly." You've been wanting this duo to break out huge and it's just a longer tail run for them than what happened with their first single and honestly, I think that's the right course of action. This song is 33 weeks old. The run of the first single was the abnormal run for an act like this. The sales were because it connected as a novelty. The sales for "Fly" are still pretty good for the kind of song it is and I suspect if it took another 10 weeks to hit the Top 5 or #1, the song can move from the 240k it HAS sold (most of that in the last 15 weeks) so I suspect it'll get around 300-400k before all is said and done with the single. For a sophomore single from a female act, that's no small feat.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2015 5:28:48 GMT -5
You guys think this could outperform GIACS?
In its 9th week on the Hot 100, this flies to a new peak of #62.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2015 5:52:30 GMT -5
*Sigh* I guess I can understand the logic behind Big Machine's chart machinations here. For better or worse, they've already settled on moving on to a new lead single from FGL after "Anything Goes," which I guess won't be ready 'til December or January anyway, and it's tough to get multiple weeks at #1 these days regardless of how big a hit a song is. Therefore, as long as AG still gets its week at #1, there's not much Big Machine is losing by having it take 21 weeks to get there instead of 19. If anything, they're just stretching out its chart run and shortening the break between singles. However, by doing this they can possibly gain a higher peak position very close to if not at #1 for "Fly," which is really going to look good for this duo and help them get their foot in the door at radio after a long chart run. They are basically turning one radio hit into two. It's a wise business strategy...taking the success you already have and milking it to get even more profit, especially when you're a label that gets as few hits as Big Machine. So while I'll never approve of what's going on and I'm not happy about seeing this move through the Top 10 one bit, I will move on to other "scandals" to complain about ("Honey, I'm Good."'s corrupt use of the Mediabase points system anyone...?) It just seems unfair to me. Florida Georgia Line loses their #1 streak to help other artists on Big Machine's roster, while Maddie & Tae and Thomas Rhett get a #1 streak they probably wouldn't gave gotten at their label-mate's expense. I'm sure everyone can agree to that concept.
Now, I'm just wondering why Luke isn't flying past these two Big Machine songs like he was projected to do a week ago. The Mediabase building chart is projecting Maddie & Tae and FGL to both be building ahead of "Strip It Down" for the week. History has shown it's better to let Luke Bryan pass you sooner than later. I really hope Big Machine isn't going to attempt the crazy stunt of trying to push both of their songs ahead of Luke's monster hit here.
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Post by sixofone on Sept 15, 2015 6:27:44 GMT -5
Now, I'm just wondering why Luke isn't flying past these two Big Machine songs like he was projected to do a week ago. On the current Billboard Country Airplay chart, Luke is already ahead of both songs by several million in audience and had a larger gain as well:
#8 "Strip It Down" (31.51 million, +3.809 million) #9 "Anything Goes" (28.71 million, +2.137 million) #10 "Fly" (28.16 million, +1.563 million)
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Post by mus1cr0w on Sept 17, 2015 9:53:33 GMT -5
I think I see the plan.
Promo is going to fight like hell to get this to #1 by November, right around CMA Awards time.
Dot is probably betting that Kelsea Ballerini is going to hit #1 with "Dibs" and since her label has a habit of saying she is the "first female with a debut #1 since yada yada", Dot doesn't want to lose out on following up with a second #1. Kelsea's label had a way if kind of ignoring the song that arguably opened the door for her to even have a hit, "Girl In A Country Song".
Then they will go with a tempo in December, probably "Shut Up And Fish" which will really be gaining momentum right around the time people are actually fishing.
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Post by .indulgecountry on Sept 17, 2015 15:18:38 GMT -5
Dot is probably betting that Kelsea Ballerini is going to hit #1 with "Dibs" and since her label has a habit of saying she is the "first female with a debut #1 since yada yada", Dot doesn't want to lose out on following up with a second #1. Kelsea's label had a way if kind of ignoring the song that arguably opened the door for her to even have a hit, "Girl In A Country Song". There was no ignoring of GIACS. Maddie & Tae's accomplishment was the first of its kind since The Wreckers' "Leave the Pieces" and Kelsea Ballerini's was the first of its kind since Carrie Underwood's "Jesus, Take the Wheel." The two are separate feats even if women getting to the top at all is rare in today's environment, but duos and solo artists aren't the same thing. So there's nothing misleading about any of the promo surrounding either act's #1 hit, and "Fly" getting to #1 ahead of "Dibs" reaching #1 will also have no effect on Kelsea's accomplishment.
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Post by Marv on Sept 17, 2015 20:13:10 GMT -5
Rest assured that there is nothing abnormal about this song's chart run, since as I stated earlier, new songs by new artists tend to get buried in overnights for weeks as opposed to a new single from a core artist such as Luke or Blake, whose new tunes will immediately go on the air in the 5AM-7PM window.
Look at songs in the 31-40 slots either right now or in Monday evening's edition of Country Aircheck, or go look at their airplay numbers on AllAccess as it pertains to dayparts: even if Luke's tune was selling as slowly as Fly or Smoke Break are, he'd still sail pass EVERYBODY on the charts, lousy sales or not.
I also don't see any momentum loss for M&T at country radio as 'Fly' heads for the top 5 next month.
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Post by mus1cr0w on Sept 18, 2015 8:47:59 GMT -5
Dot is probably betting that Kelsea Ballerini is going to hit #1 with "Dibs" and since her label has a habit of saying she is the "first female with a debut #1 since yada yada", Dot doesn't want to lose out on following up with a second #1. Kelsea's label had a way if kind of ignoring the song that arguably opened the door for her to even have a hit, "Girl In A Country Song". There was no ignoring of GIACS. Maddie & Tae's accomplishment was the first of its kind since The Wreckers' "Leave the Pieces" and Kelsea Ballerini's was the first of its kind since Carrie Underwood's "Jesus, Take the Wheel." The two are separate feats even if women getting to the top at all is rare in today's environment, but duos and solo artists aren't the same thing. So there's nothing misleading about any of the promo surrounding either act's #1 hit, and "Fly" getting to #1 ahead of "Dibs" reaching #1 will also have no effect on Kelsea's accomplishment. I diasgree. While there is nothing false, it is certainly misleading. MR
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2015 9:37:41 GMT -5
GIACS was more of an accomplishment in that a female act took its debut single to #1. Kelsea's accomplishment was that she was a solo female getting to #1 on the Billboard chart, which would have been an accomplishment even if LMLYMI weren't her debut single because there hadn't been a solo female topping Country Airplay since "Blown Away." Both labels have something to brag about, but they'd be different trophies.
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