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Post by rsmatto on Apr 10, 2015 12:19:41 GMT -5
Something I noticed when browsing the iTunes chart...this has two versions charting. At this posting, the second is at #278 (all-genre). Now, I'm really not sure of sales amounts down at those levels...but at the very least, the combined total would certainly rank closer to #100 - would it be enough to rank inside the Top 100 as a single figure? The sales are reported as one on the overall SoundScan charts. These are simply the versions from regular and deluxe editions.
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Post by Libra on Apr 10, 2015 17:04:58 GMT -5
The sales are reported as one on the overall SoundScan charts. These are simply the versions from regular and deluxe editions. I know that they're reported as one; I'm just wondering where it'd be showing at now if both versions were folded into one - i.e. what single position would it rank at instead of ranking at #160 and #278? Looking at yesterday's posted Country update, this ranks between "Wild Child" (iTunes #98 currently) and "Raise 'Em Up" (#117).
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Post by trebor on Apr 11, 2015 7:46:01 GMT -5
The sales are reported as one on the overall SoundScan charts. These are simply the versions from regular and deluxe editions. I know that they're reported as one; I'm just wondering where it'd be showing at now if both versions were folded into one - i.e. what single position would it rank at instead of ranking at #160 and #278? Looking at yesterday's posted Country update, this ranks between "Wild Child" (iTunes #98 currently) and "Raise 'Em Up" (#117). On the National Digital Songs Chart (Soundscan w/e 04/18/15) Tim is #100 with sales of <16K Wild Child is #98 with >16K and Raise 'Em Up is #101 with <16K If you break it down to the market share of iTunes and correct the promo offers you'll get Apple's approx. download tallies.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2015 20:17:05 GMT -5
I know that they're reported as one; I'm just wondering where it'd be showing at now if both versions were folded into one - i.e. what single position would it rank at instead of ranking at #160 and #278? Looking at yesterday's posted Country update, this ranks between "Wild Child" (iTunes #98 currently) and "Raise 'Em Up" (#117). On the National Digital Songs Chart (Soundscan w/e 04/18/15) Tim is #100 with sales of <16K Wild Child is #98 with >16K and Raise 'Em Up is #101 with <16K If you break it down to the market share of iTunes and correct the promo offers you'll get Apple's approx. download tallies. Yep. The total sales for the songs are 90,000 (Wild Child); 95,000 (Diamond Rings & Old Barstools); and 134,000 (Raise 'Em Up). Brad Paisley's "Crushin' It" has only sold about 49,000. I find looking at the sales charts to be pretty interesting. For example, ZBB's "Homegrown" has sold about 423,000, and is selling more than 40,000 a week right now, but because of such a quick run at radio, it's unlikely to go Platinum. Then you have a song like Canaan Smith's "Love You Like That" that's already sold almost 300,000 (and is selling 20,000 to 25,000 a week) because it's been out forever...and because of its long chart run (and the fact that it could still go top 10 at radio), this is a song that could sell 700,000+. I don't know that it'll necessarily get to 1 million, but it's just crazy that it's not far off the total sales of "Homegrown"...and it's really unfortunate that such a fast run at radio means that a single won't be able to reach higher sales numbers. Lee Brice's "Drinking Class" has sold about 625,000 total, and is selling about 20,000 a week right now. I guess that's the benefit of being a slower climber...your song is likely to have higher track sales when all is said and done. Hypothetical situation here, but I'd be surprised if more than 30,000 people would buy a full album by someone like Canaan Smith during its first week of release. So I guess the question is: would you rather sell 700,000 digital tracks after a 30-40 week run at radio, OR would you rather sell 500,000 tracks after a 20-week run at radio, but have strong album sales to go with? I'd rather have strong album sales and be able to release more singles, but sales are declining year after year, so I wonder if it'll eventually come to a crossroads when single sales are deemed more important than album sales (because album sales would have dwindled so low). Sorry to get so far off-topic. I'm just glad that Tim's song is doing well at radio, and that, when you combine both versions, "Diamond Rings..." is selling on par with the singles from Kenny and Keith.
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Post by trebor on Apr 12, 2015 6:32:21 GMT -5
On the National Digital Songs Chart (Soundscan w/e 04/18/15) Tim is #100 with sales of <16K Wild Child is #98 with >16K and Raise 'Em Up is #101 with <16K If you break it down to the market share of iTunes and correct the promo offers you'll get Apple's approx. download tallies. [... Edited... ] Lee Brice's "Drinking Class" has sold about 625,000 total, and is selling about 20,000 a week right now. [... Edited... ] Yes, very pleased with Lee Brice's figures. Came as a surprise that numbers were so high especially if compared to a #1 ish track like "Homegrown Honey" with a comparably long chart run that only clocks in at <350K so far. The sales for Florida Georgia Line's "Sun Daze" are deplorable: <600K
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Post by dm2081 on Apr 12, 2015 10:02:25 GMT -5
On the National Digital Songs Chart (Soundscan w/e 04/18/15) Tim is #100 with sales of <16K Wild Child is #98 with >16K and Raise 'Em Up is #101 with <16K If you break it down to the market share of iTunes and correct the promo offers you'll get Apple's approx. download tallies. Yep. The total sales for the songs are 90,000 (Wild Child); 95,000 (Diamond Rings & Old Barstools); and 134,000 (Raise 'Em Up). Brad Paisley's "Crushin' It" has only sold about 49,000. I find looking at the sales charts to be pretty interesting. For example, ZBB's "Homegrown" has sold about 423,000, and is selling more than 40,000 a week right now, but because of such a quick run at radio, it's unlikely to go Platinum. Then you have a song like Canaan Smith's "Love You Like That" that's already sold almost 300,000 (and is selling 20,000 to 25,000 a week) because it's been out forever...and because of its long chart run (and the fact that it could still go top 10 at radio), this is a song that could sell 700,000+. I don't know that it'll necessarily get to 1 million, but it's just crazy that it's not far off the total sales of "Homegrown"...and it's really unfortunate that such a fast run at radio means that a single won't be able to reach higher sales numbers. Lee Brice's "Drinking Class" has sold about 625,000 total, and is selling about 20,000 a week right now. I guess that's the benefit of being a slower climber...your song is likely to have higher track sales when all is said and done. Hypothetical situation here, but I'd be surprised if more than 30,000 people would buy a full album by someone like Canaan Smith during its first week of release. So I guess the question is: would you rather sell 700,000 digital tracks after a 30-40 week run at radio, OR would you rather sell 500,000 tracks after a 20-week run at radio, but have strong album sales to go with? I'd rather have strong album sales and be able to release more singles, but sales are declining year after year, so I wonder if it'll eventually come to a crossroads when single sales are deemed more important than album sales (because album sales would have dwindled so low). Sorry to get so far off-topic. I'm just glad that Tim's song is doing well at radio, and that, when you combine both versions, "Diamond Rings..." is selling on par with the singles from Kenny and Keith. Curious to see what everyone else thinks, but one rule I would like to see is album sales count towards single sales. For example, FGL's recent "Sun Daze" has only sold somewhere in 500k range for single sales. However, their album sales are around the same mark, so that means an additional 500k people who really bought the song have it, but aren't being counted towards a songs sales. I'm not sure that if for every album sale should be an equal single sale, but I think at least for every 2 albums purchased it should count as one digital sale. And songs that aren't released as singles shouldn't be able to get certified. So some of the album tracks from FGL's "Anything Goes" can get a Gold certification. That's just personally what I would like to see happen, because as you said, it seems weaker performing singles that are on the charts have an unfair advantage.
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Post by ethanhunt on Apr 12, 2015 11:56:41 GMT -5
I'm yet to hear this song on radio
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Post by .indulgecountry on Apr 13, 2015 1:35:15 GMT -5
Curious to see what everyone else thinks, but one rule I would like to see is album sales count towards single sales. For example, FGL's recent "Sun Daze" has only sold somewhere in 500k range for single sales. However, their album sales are around the same mark, so that means an additional 500k people who really bought the song have it, but aren't being counted towards a songs sales. I'm not sure that if for every album sale should be an equal single sale, but I think at least for every 2 albums purchased it should count as one digital sale. And songs that aren't released as singles shouldn't be able to get certified. So some of the album tracks from FGL's "Anything Goes" can get a Gold certification. That's just personally what I would like to see happen, because as you said, it seems weaker performing singles that are on the charts have an unfair advantage. Eh, I don't like this idea. Essentially, it would be like counting a purchase for the same item twice. If album sales = single sales for every song on the album, then why even keep track of album sales at all? It just wouldn't work, imo.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2015 22:36:36 GMT -5
Tim McGraw appeared on the Jimmy Kimmel show last night, but he didn't perform this. Instead, he performed "Overrated." I wonder if this will be the next single. I would have found "Overrated" to be a much better fourth single than "Diamond Rings and Old Barstools" and I could see "Overrated" doing pretty well at radio if it were released next (could be a great uptempo song for the second half of the summer). "Diamond Rings and Old Barstools" has really slowed down on the charts, only gaining 115k audience on Billboard last week, while songs from Kenny Chesney, Easton Corbin, and Carrie Underwood gained over a million and Kelsea Ballerini gained over 2 million, so I definitely think Tim is going to end up reaching the top 10 behind at least three of these four artists. (Kenny's already passed him on Billboard and Easton and Carrie were behind him by a pretty small margin Monday. Kelsea still has a few million to gain on Tim but with her album due out later this month I wouldn't be shocked to see her catch Tim before he reaches the top 10.) I'm not sure how much longer this will be able to climb once it reaches the top 10. This may be one of those less common cases of a song that cracks the top 10 but just fizzles out below the top 5 (in the 6-8 range). A top 10 run for this though is very respectable considering radio doesn't usually warm up to slower ballads.
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Post by Marv on Apr 30, 2015 2:24:31 GMT -5
That's not unusual for Tim, since I remember his rousing performance of 'Angel Boy' on FOX-TV's first New Years Eve show, as well as 'That's Why God Made Mexico' on Jay Leno's show while 'Real Good Man' was rising to #1.
This mesmerizing tune would have been right at home on several of his earlier CDs including Set This Circus Down and/or A Place In The Sun, so I hope it hits #1 sometime in July, hopefully for at least a couple of weeks.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2015 11:30:32 GMT -5
That's not unusual for Tim, since I remember his rousing performance of 'Angel Boy' on FOX-TV's first New Years Eve show, as well as 'That's Why God Made Mexico' on Jay Leno's show while 'Real Good Man' was rising to #1. This mesmerizing tune would have been right at home on several of his earlier CDs including Set This Circus Down and/or A Place In The Sun, so I hope it hits #1 sometime in July, hopefully for at least a couple of weeks.I realize this is a hope and not a prediction, but I'm fairly certain this isn't going to happen. This single is really struggling. It's only gained 50 spins and 24k audience on Mediabase since Monday, while songs around it are doing just fine. If Big Machine is able to push this into the top 10, I'd be quite surprised to see it hit #1, and there's no way it'd be a candidate for two weeks. It could take a Taylor Swift or Rascal Flatts style push to drag this from #13 to #1, and I'm not sure those pushes are still doable in this modern chart climate.
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Post by Marv on May 2, 2015 19:13:42 GMT -5
I certainly see your point, and I wholeheartedly agree that the likelihood of BMLG launching another absurd shove to get this to #1 is the longest of longshots; there's no doubt in my mind that Borchetta's decision to redirect Taylor's career to top 40 radio where so-so music such as hers rules the airwaves, since there's no chance that a masterpiece such as 'We Are The World', which spent a month at #1 exactly thirty years at top 40 radio, would have seen the light of day at top 40 radio today.
Taylor did bring a ton of new fans to country radio, but bombastic and overbearing tunes such as IKYWT & WANEGBT had no business being sent to country radio in the first place IMHO, and Borchetta can read and analyze the charts as well as anybody in the industry. The fact that the tunes which preceded and followed 'Begin Again' to #1 at Mediabase (One Of Those Nights and Better Dig Two) wound up #2 & #3 for the year as opposed to #50 for her tune undoubtedly raised even more ire at country radio, so sending her next CD to top 40 made a ton of sense.
This wonderful tune will have to hustle just to match the #5 peak for the equally wonderful 'Better Than I Used To Be', far and away my personal choice as the best single he's released in the past 15 years which somehow didn't reach #1, but Tim continues to release tons of killer singles 20 years after 'I Like It I Love It' wound up #1 for the year and launched his career into the stratosphere of format superstars.
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2015 19:29:39 GMT -5
Taylor did bring a ton of new fans to country radio, but bombastic and overbearing tunes such as IKYWT & WANEGBT had no business being sent to country radio in the first place IMHO, and Borchetta can read and analyze the charts as well as anybody in the industry. The fact that the tunes which preceded and followed 'Begin Again' to #1 at Mediabase (One Of Those Nights and Better Dig Two) wound up #2 & #3 for the year as opposed to #50 for her tune undoubtedly raised even more ire at country radio, so sending her next CD to top 40 made a ton of sense. "I Knew You Were Trouble" was never released to country radio. It got a handful of unsolicited spins (most of them at KKGO in Los Angeles, if I recall correctly), but it was not a country single. And Taylor decided to go pop because she wanted to, not because Borchetta wanted her to. I'm not sure where this idea that "Borchetta forced Taylor to go pop" is coming from. Taylor is bigger than the label; you can bet that the folks at BMLG (Borchetta included) are nervous about whether they'll be able to keep her. Under her current contract, Taylor owes Big Machine only one more album. The label certainly wouldn't force her to do anything, because there's no way she's choose to re-sign with them if they did. They're gonna do whatever they can to make her happy. As for Tim, I hope "Diamond Rings & Old Barstools" can manage a top 5 peak. I think it'll finally enter the Billboard top 10 a week from Monday, but after that the road is going to be quite challenging. Carrie Underwood is probably going to go up ahead, and both Easton Corbin and Kelsea Ballerini could prove to be threats. And that's not even mentioning Blake Shelton, who is screaming up the chart with "Sangria" right now.
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2015 20:22:35 GMT -5
In fact, I seem to remember Borchetta trying to convince Taylor to put even a couple country songs on the record and she declined (which I respect. If you wanna go, go hard).
In regards to this song, I loved it before it was a single and I never in a million years thought they would release something this traditional to today's radio. The fact that it will most likely be at least a top 10 finish is an extraordinary success for Tim, the song, and the direction we are heading for radio.
Furthermore, as the third single (fourth if you are a cynic) from an aging star, still only under 100 days young on the charts...this one probably couldn't beg to be in a better spot.
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2015 20:47:37 GMT -5
In fact, I seem to remember Borchetta trying to convince Taylor to put even a couple country songs on the record and she declined (which I respect. If you wanna go, go hard). Yes, thanks for reminding me of this. Taylor was interviewed by Billboard in December, and the following are words from her own mouth: www.billboard.com/articles/events/women-in-music-2014/6363514/billboard-woman-of-the-year-taylor-swift-on-writing-herSo now we can put this whole idea of "Borchetta forced or suggested Taylor to go pop" to rest. I think Taylor has a great relationship with Scott and Big Machine, and I'm sure she takes advice from them, but they definitely don't tell her what to do. I expect that, if she does re-sign with them after album #6 (she only owes them one more album under her current contract), it'll be a partnership similar to what Tim has. Tim signed with Big Machine through a partnership with his own McGraw Music label. Other labels have done this too...Keith Urban's contract with Capitol is through his own Hit Red Records, Garth and Trisha both have their own labels partnered with RCA, Kenny Chesney is partnered with Columbia via his own Blue Chair Records, etc. The artists' own labels aren't fully-functional labels; rather, these partnerships are about the labels respecting/honoring these veteran and successful artists by allowing them to sign (or re-sign) and granting them more creative control. These types of deals give the artist more freedom, which probably means it was just as much Tim's decision to release "Diamond Rings & Old Barstools" as it was Borchetta's, if not more so. As far as I understand it, artists with their own labels are able to more or less pick the singles they want. I'm sure they get input from the label, and ultimately the label has to approve it, but the artists definitely have more creative control under these types of deals.
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2015 21:20:39 GMT -5
I'm actually surprised to see Tim hold his lead over Carrie in points on the Mediabase building chart and his lead over both Easton and Carrie in audience on Mediabase. Looking at the updates Tim has had this week, it kind of seems like Big Machine kicked their promotion of this record into higher gear in the middle of the week once they saw it starting to struggle.
Monday, 4/27: +3 spins, -23k audience Tuesday, 4/28: +33 spins, +50k audience Wednesday, 4/29: +30 spins, +134k audience Thursday, 4/30: -17 spins, -137k audience Friday, 5/1: +49 spins, +452k audience Saturday, 5/2: +27 spins, +337k audience
The only real outlier is Thursday, but overall the gains were pretty exponential this week. I could see Tim coming in at #12 for the week on Mediabase and possibly holding at #11 on Billboard, but this will have to have strong updates the next two days since I imagine this is currently neck-and-neck on both charts with "Baby Be My Love Song" and "Little Toy Guns." On Mediabase, this had a pretty weak update last Sunday, gaining only one spin and 87k audience, so if Tim has a nice recovery from this flat update tomorrow, then he'll most likely push back ahead of Carrie for the week. My only concern, though, is that if Big Machine did indeed start pushing extra hard for this last week, the updates over the next two days will be weaker since less promotion can be done on the weekends, which would give Easton and Carrie a high chance of passing Tim on Billboard this week.
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Post by sabre14 on May 2, 2015 21:43:21 GMT -5
Tim and Kenny are two great examples of artists who have about as much control over their music as anybody. I remember hearing Kenny once say in an interview that it was pretty much his say in "El Cerrito Place" and "When I See This Bar" getting released.
Tim's relationship with Scott is more friend to friend than artist to CEO. Now I'm sure Scott and Big Machine have their own input into his musical decisions ("Lookin' For That Girl" is still one that makes me scratch my head), but Tim is a big enough star that his word means a lot to his promotional label. I love the fact they picked "Diamond Rings And Old Bar Stools" as a single, though I think "Overrated" would have been the right play if I was playing the role of making the best business decision. This single really has a throwback feel and just doesn't fit in too well on radio anymore, which is sad. That being said, people like myself absolutely love hearing it on the airwaves.
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Post by 43dudleyvillas on May 2, 2015 22:30:24 GMT -5
I'm actually surprised to see Tim hold his lead over Carrie in points on the Mediabase building chart If you're basing this on the building chart posted at HDD, that chart is based purely on spins, not points (unless something changed recently). That said, I doubt that there is much of a points difference between Easton, Carrie, and Tim right now...Carrie passed Easton earlier this week before Easton pushed back ahead, and the three began the Mediabase week separated by only 175 points. While it's not impossible that Black River will mount a major push for Kelsea Ballerini behind them, Easton, Carrie and Tim do seem like they're well-positioned to take the next three available top-10 rotation slots that open up as Zac Brown Band, Sam Hunt and Lee Brice descend. It would help whichever of the songs is third in line if Lee Brice's freefall took him out of the top-10 next week instead of the week after, because Blake Shelton seems likely to catch this pack two weeks from now. Count me in among those who are glad that Tim released this. Between its adult voice, the traditional-leaning sound, and the fact that it's a ballad, "Diamond Rings & Old Barstools" is not an obvious choice in the current radio climate. I suspect that it will be treated as an outlier, with Tim essentially taking the place of George Strait as the superstar allowed to represent traditional country on country radio. But if it is on the leading edge of more of a pendulum swing, I'm all for it.
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2015 22:41:03 GMT -5
^I was actually using the Mediabase.com building chart which does seem to use points since there are several songs currently ranked higher than other songs with more spins ("Raise 'Em Up," "Baby Be My Love Song," "Love You Like That," "Sangria," "Kiss You in the Morning," and "Fly" as of today). I definitely agree "Drinking Class" should fall out of the top 10 on Mediabase and go recurrent on Billboard next week, so Tim will definitely have a window to crack the top 10 next week, even if Carrie does go up ahead.
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Post by 43dudleyvillas on May 2, 2015 23:31:03 GMT -5
^I was actually using the Mediabase.com building chart which does seem to use points since there are several songs currently ranked higher than other songs with more spins ("Raise 'Em Up," "Baby Be My Love Song," "Love You Like That," "Sangria," "Kiss You in the Morning," and "Fly" as of today). I definitely agree "Drinking Class" should fall out of the top 10 on Mediabase and go recurrent on Billboard next week, so Tim will definitely have a window to crack the top 10 next week, even if Carrie does go up ahead. Thanks for the clarification. The version of that chart that I'm looking at though ( here) has the subheader "by Average Move" across the top, whatever that means. It can't mean that the songs are ranked by spin bullet, but it also suggests that the songs aren't ranked purely by points accumulated during the course of the week, doesn't it?
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2015 0:57:16 GMT -5
Gee, I never realized the building chart said "by average move" all this time. I'm honestly not quite sure what that means and it would make sense that a chart ranked by average move can't be the same as a chart ranked purely by points, but for what it's worth the HAC building chart on Mediabase.com, which also says "by average move" at the top, seems to have the songs ranked purely by spins, consistent with the Mediabase formula for ranking the pop charts (and all other formats' charts). I don't know for sure, but the Mediabase.com building charts have always seemed a bit strange considering the "LW" column always shows the same position as the "TW" column. Maybe this building chart is 100% reliable, but I still suspect it may give a little tip about Tim's possibility of ending up at #11 for the week. Thanks for pointing that out, 43dudleyvillas!
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Post by 43dudleyvillas on May 3, 2015 17:03:49 GMT -5
Gee, I never realized the building chart said "by average move" all this time. I'm honestly not quite sure what that means and it would make sense that a chart ranked by average move can't be the same as a chart ranked purely by points, but for what it's worth the HAC building chart on Mediabase.com, which also says "by average move" at the top, seems to have the songs ranked purely by spins, consistent with the Mediabase formula for ranking the pop charts (and all other formats' charts). I don't know for sure, but the Mediabase.com building charts have always seemed a bit strange considering the "LW" column always shows the same position as the "TW" column. Maybe this building chart is 100% reliable, but I still suspect it may give a little tip about Tim's possibility of ending up at #11 for the week. Well, the results on the building chart and rolling chart do match today (as you'd expect), with Carrie ahead of Tim on both. I guess we will have to look at the points differential between them for the week -- if it is even smaller than the eighteen points that separated them last week, then that will be an indication that "Diamond Rings & Old Barstools" may indeed have been outgaining "Little Toy Guns" in points throughout the week as you initially suggested (by an average margin of less than 2 4/7 points per day) until yesterday. Even if the gap between them is a bit more than eighteen points, that could just reflect "Little Toy Guns" having had a considerably better Saturday than "Diamond Rings & Old Barstools." On the other hand, if the gap between them has widened considerably, then it would be harder to defend the idea that "Diamond Rings & Old Barstools" was outgaining "Little Toy Guns" throughout the week until yesterday. I will say that the fact that it was "Little Toy Guns" and "Baby Be My Love Song" that traded spots earlier this week (having started out the week being separated by 157 points) makes it harder for me to believe that "Diamond Rings & Old Barstools" was outgaining "Little Toy Guns." But we'll have some more data to assess that possibility soon.
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Post by liza on May 3, 2015 21:41:11 GMT -5
I'm actually surprised to see Tim hold his lead over Carrie in points on the Mediabase building chart and his lead over both Easton and Carrie in audience on Mediabase. Looking at the updates Tim has had this week, it kind of seems like Big Machine kicked their promotion of this record into higher gear in the middle of the week once they saw it starting to struggle. Monday, 4/27: +3 spins, -23k audience Tuesday, 4/28: +33 spins, +50k audience Wednesday, 4/29: +30 spins, +134k audience Thursday, 4/30: -17 spins, -137k audience Friday, 5/1: +49 spins, +452k audience Saturday, 5/2: +27 spins, +337k audience The only real outlier is Thursday, but overall the gains were pretty exponential this week. I could see Tim coming in at #12 for the week on Mediabase and possibly holding at #11 on Billboard, but this will have to have strong updates the next two days since I imagine this is currently neck-and-neck on both charts with "Baby Be My Love Song" and "Little Toy Guns." On Mediabase, this had a pretty weak update last Sunday, gaining only one spin and 87k audience, so if Tim has a nice recovery from this flat update tomorrow, then he'll most likely push back ahead of Carrie for the week. My only concern, though, is that if Big Machine did indeed start pushing extra hard for this last week, the updates over the next two days will be weaker since less promotion can be done on the weekends, which would give Easton and Carrie a high chance of passing Tim on Billboard this week. Friday was McGraw's birthday and some radio stations were playing a song (might have been two) every hour.
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2015 2:23:04 GMT -5
Carrie edged Tim by a mere six points on Mediabase this week. "Little Toy Guns" ended up with 15489 points and "Diamond Rings and Old Barstools" ended up with 15483 points. I guess it's not really going to make much of a difference who is #11 and who is #12 on Mediabase this week since the two are so close, and I imagine they may continue to be neck-and-neck for some time next week, but in the long run I do expect Carrie to go up ahead just because her song is overall more radio-friendly. I think it's pretty clear Easton will go up ahead of both and probably reach #1 on Billboard and Mediabase, then we'll see where Carrie and Tim end up peaking. Unfortunately, I can't see this song having enough steam to make a #1 run, but a top 10 peak should put this in the running for a Vocal Event nomination at the CMA awards. liza, I'm not sure if the extra Tim McGraw airplay Friday has had an impact on the update this had Saturday morning. The update was pretty consistent with the other updates this started having mid-week. I'd imagine that if radio stations wanted to play extra Tim McGraw songs, they'd still arrange their playlists so that "Diamond Rings and Old Barstools" received the same amount of spins it'd normally receive. Kind of like the week Carrie Underwood's "Something in the Water" was used as a St. Jude "Story Song" to help with the iHeartRadio telethon in January. This happened to be the week of Carrie's final push for #1, but the day after the telethon SITW still had a gain about equal to what it gained every other day that week. Radio stations probably adjusted their playlists so that her song still received about the same amount of airplay it would have received without the telethon promotion.
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Post by libby on May 5, 2015 8:21:59 GMT -5
I never thought this would get to #1, but I've hoped for a solid top 10 showing. But, as Zazie has said in other threads, he has to do some of the work and not just count on songs above dropping. A couple of weeks with some decent gains would be nice.
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Post by onebuffalo on May 5, 2015 8:28:49 GMT -5
I never thought this would get to #1, but I've hoped for a solid top 10 showing. But, as Zazie has said in other threads, he has to do some of the work and not just count on songs above dropping. A couple of weeks with some decent gains would be nice. And Easton Corbin passed Tim McGraw on the airplay chart.
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Post by rsmatto on May 5, 2015 10:13:52 GMT -5
Carrie edged Tim by a mere six points on Mediabase this week. "Little Toy Guns" ended up with 15489 points and "Diamond Rings and Old Barstools" ended up with 15483 points. I guess it's not really going to make much of a difference who is #11 and who is #12 on Mediabase this week since the two are so close, and I imagine they may continue to be neck-and-neck for some time next week, but in the long run I do expect Carrie to go up ahead just because her song is overall more radio-friendly. I think it's pretty clear Easton will go up ahead of both and probably reach #1 on Billboard and Mediabase, then we'll see where Carrie and Tim end up peaking. Unfortunately, I can't see this song having enough steam to make a #1 run, but a top 10 peak should put this in the running for a Vocal Event nomination at the CMA awards. liza, I'm not sure if the extra Tim McGraw airplay Friday has had an impact on the update this had Saturday morning. The update was pretty consistent with the other updates this started having mid-week. I'd imagine that if radio stations wanted to play extra Tim McGraw songs, they'd still arrange their playlists so that "Diamond Rings and Old Barstools" received the same amount of spins it'd normally receive. Kind of like the week Carrie Underwood's "Something in the Water" was used as a St. Jude "Story Song" to help with the iHeartRadio telethon in January. This happened to be the week of Carrie's final push for #1, but the day after the telethon SITW still had a gain about equal to what it gained every other day that week. Radio stations probably adjusted their playlists so that her song still received about the same amount of airplay it would have received without the telethon promotion. This song could've had a Top 40 or Top 50 or Top 60 peak and it would've been in the running for CMA Vocal Event.
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Post by countryboy79 on May 6, 2015 3:34:41 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2015 16:51:51 GMT -5
Clearly this songs running out of gas. I think at this point this might get Too 5 and that's stretching it. Blake and Kelsea have blown pass it. Canaan and LBT are slowly closing in who knows f Tim holds on if Jason Frankie Luke or Brantley catch up by then. While it hasn't hit it's peak I'm confident the end of the road is coming.
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Post by .indulgecountry on May 28, 2015 0:55:12 GMT -5
I love this song so much (one of my favorites at country radio rn), and really would've loved to see this make it all the way to #1, but it's looking like this one is nearing the end of the line. I am glad it was able to get into the Top 10 though at least, and I'm thankful to see that it out-peaked "Truck Yeah," at the very least. I can't complain too much though at how this one did considering just how traditional-sounding this song is and keeping in mind that it never really took off sales-wise, but I am still so happy that Tim McGraw took a chance and released such an immaculate song to radio. That's what big stars in the genre should be doing with their power. Would also still love to see "Overrated" next as I believe it's a bit early to move on from the current era.
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