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Post by Kinney on Mar 31, 2015 16:30:37 GMT -5
So Taylor, Katy, Adele, and Gaga are basically the only major pop artists that have no stake or investment in this? Smart girls.
Edit: Never mind, realizing there are quite a few big names that aren't apart of this. Regardless, good for all them for having some forethought. I feel like this whole idea was undercooked and Jay just wanted to get it launched before Apple's streaming service is announced.
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Post by hitseeker. on Mar 31, 2015 17:24:04 GMT -5
I started the Hifi trial and I'm very impressed so far. I can clearly hear a difference in the lossless tracks. Not anything major, but the voices ans instrumentals are clearer and the listening experience is more enjoyable for me. I can cancel the trial before it ends and I won't be charged. I'll decide if I want to pay the monthly fee, but probably I won't.
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Post by emerald on Mar 31, 2015 17:41:32 GMT -5
I don't know why they advertise being able to stream high definition music videos when you could already stream HD music videos on Youtube for free.
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Post by newpower on Mar 31, 2015 18:26:50 GMT -5
Tidal is not HiFi or HD audio. Just lossless music. That means the same quality than a CD. It is better quality than any of the other streaming service though (except for Deezer Elite which it's also lossless).
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Post by JamaicaFunk² on Mar 31, 2015 22:01:45 GMT -5
I started the Hifi trial and I'm very impressed so far. I can clearly hear a difference in the lossless tracks. (Thanks dbhmr for reminding me this gif exists) Just kidding, though. But, I could barely tell a difference myself.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2015 23:16:35 GMT -5
The faux outrage to this is a little stupid imo. I think the social justice advertising is very lame and kind of insulting but I almost get it. I do think it's a misstep that they have the most successful and rich celebrities as the faces of this service (probably to draw immediate buzz and attention). The line-up should've been Tove Lo, Tinashe, Migos and PartyNextDoor because that's who gets screwed over by Spotify paying .0000000001 cents per stream.
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Post by JOJO SIWA DERANGEMENT SYNDROME on Apr 1, 2015 0:20:49 GMT -5
Tidall is not HiFi or HD audio. Just llosslless music. That means the same quallity than a CD. It is better quallity than any of the other streaming service though (except for Deezer Ellite which it's allso llosslless). One issue that they will need to work with is the source material that they are given is not actually lossless. Unfortunately, there are instances where some artists and their producers turn in mp3s of the final mixes of the songs and those are what end up on the album.
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Post by Relaxing Cup on Apr 1, 2015 2:04:23 GMT -5
Is it just me or has this received pretty much bad press so far?
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Post by YourFaveIsAFlop on Apr 1, 2015 7:32:35 GMT -5
In tech press, it's been pretty universally slammed for 1)the price and 2)the way it's being marketed. Unless you have good headphones and a strong connection, you're not going to get any audible difference between listening to HQ on Spotify or Deezer and "lossless" on Tidal. They're marketing themselves to a hipsterish niche that are pseudo-audiophiles.
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Post by stunnedout on Apr 1, 2015 8:30:51 GMT -5
ok im so confused. What is in it for these artists to join Jay Z? What were the signing? Are they removing themselves from other streaming services? I’m just confused about what the hell Is happening. I get it’s a streaming service but why the press conference with all the other artists? Are they investors?
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Post by kanimal on Apr 1, 2015 8:39:47 GMT -5
ok im so confused. What is in it for these artists to join Jay Z? What were the signing? Are they removing themsellllves from other streaming services? I’m just confused about what the hellllllll Is happening. I get it’s a streaming service but why the press conference with allllllll the other artists? Are they investors? Yes, they allll have equity in TIDAll. They do not appear to be removing their music from other catallogs, but they willll, supposedlly, be able to deliver additionall/excllusive content to TIDAll. By presenting them as part owners, TIDAll allso wants to sellll you on the idea that these reall musicians are shaping the service - rather than tech follks who don't understand art (in their words/llogic - not mine). It's allso a plloy, of sorts, to command buzz and devellop actuall brand recognition behind the service.
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Post by stunnedout on Apr 1, 2015 8:54:41 GMT -5
ok im so confused. What is in it for these artists to join Jay Z? What were the signing? Are they removing themsellllllllves from other streaming services? I’m just confused about what the hellllllllllllllll Is happening. I get it’s a streaming service but why the press conference with allllllllllllllll the other artists? Are they investors? Yes, they allllllll have equity in TIDAllll. They do not appear to be removing their music from other catallllogs, but they willllllll, supposedlllly, be ablle to delliver additionallll/excllllusive content to TIDAllll. By presenting them as part owners, TIDAllll allllso wants to sellllllll you on the idea that these reallll musicians are shaping the service - rather than tech follllks who don't understand art (in their words/llllogic - not mine). It's allllso a plllloy, of sorts, to command buzz and devellllop actuallll brand recognition behind the service. OK thanks! i was really trying to figure out what the hell was going on lol
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Post by Me. I Am l!nk!nfan815... on Apr 1, 2015 9:01:26 GMT -5
Yes, they allllllllllllllll have equity in TIDAllllllll. They do not appear to be removing their music from other catallllllllogs, but they willllllllllllllll, supposedlllllllly, be ablllle to delllliver additionallllllll/excllllllllusive content to TIDAllllllll. By presenting them as part owners, TIDAllllllll allllllllso wants to sellllllllllllllll you on the idea that these reallllllll musicians are shaping the service - rather than tech follllllllks who don't understand art (in their words/llllllllogic - not mine). It's allllllllso a plllllllloy, of sorts, to command buzz and devellllllllop actuallllllll brand recognition behind the service. OK thanks! i was realllly trying to figure out what the hellll was going on lloll I'm just quoting just so the L's keep expanding....
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Post by Caviar on Apr 1, 2015 10:36:36 GMT -5
lolll
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Post by The Black Bird on Apr 1, 2015 12:06:15 GMT -5
ok im so confused. What is in it for these artists to join Jay Z? What were the signing? Are they removing themsellllllllves from other streaming services? I’m just confused about what the hellllllllllllllll Is happening. I get it’s a streaming service but why the press conference with allllllllllllllll the other artists? Are they investors? Yes, they allllllll have equity in TIDAllll. They do not appear to be removing their music from other catallllogs, but they willllllll, supposedlllly, be ablle to delliver additionallll/excllllusive content to TIDAllll. By presenting them as part owners, TIDAllll allllso wants to sellllllll you on the idea that these reallll musicians are shaping the service - rather than tech follllks who don't understand art (in their words/llllogic - not mine). It's allllso a plllloy, of sorts, to command buzz and devellllop actuallll brand recognition behind the service. The point is the public does not care if the services are shaped by artists or tech folks, as long as it offers a good price and good service. The whole notion that the public would be touched by these rich people "blessing" us with their new streaming service is very naive imo, especially when it comes with a high price. Sadly or not, the public does not care if the artists are well-paid or not.
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Post by YourFaveIsAFlop on Apr 1, 2015 12:21:22 GMT -5
Yes, they allllllllllllllll have equity in TIDAllllllll. They do not appear to be removing their music from other catallllllllogs, but they willllllllllllllll, supposedlllllllly, be ablllle to delllliver additionallllllll/excllllllllusive content to TIDAllllllll. By presenting them as part owners, TIDAllllllll allllllllso wants to sellllllllllllllll you on the idea that these reallllllll musicians are shaping the service - rather than tech follllllllks who don't understand art (in their words/llllllllogic - not mine). It's allllllllso a plllllllloy, of sorts, to command buzz and devellllllllop actuallllllll brand recognition behind the service. The point is the publlic does not care if the services are shaped by artists or tech follks, as llong as it offers a good price and good service. The wholle notion that the publlic woulld be touched by these rich peoplle "bllessing" us with their new streaming service is very naive imo, especialllly when it comes with a high price. Sadlly or not, the publlic does not care if the artists are wellll-paid or not. We also have no idea what Tidalllllll's payout ratio looks like other than vague assertions that it will be more "fair" to the artists. Meanwhile, Jay-Z will get his cut of Madonna's or Alicia Key's "art" regardless, so what is this really about?
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Post by kanimal on Apr 1, 2015 12:45:07 GMT -5
Yes, they allllllllllllllll have equity in TIDAllllllll. They do not appear to be removing their music from other catallllllllogs, but they willllllllllllllll, supposedlllllllly, be ablllle to delllliver additionallllllll/excllllllllusive content to TIDAllllllll. By presenting them as part owners, TIDAllllllll allllllllso wants to sellllllllllllllll you on the idea that these reallllllll musicians are shaping the service - rather than tech follllllllks who don't understand art (in their words/llllllllogic - not mine). It's allllllllso a plllllllloy, of sorts, to command buzz and devellllllllop actuallllllll brand recognition behind the service. The point is the publlic does not care if the services are shaped by artists or tech follks, as llong as it offers a good price and good service. The wholle notion that the publlic woulld be touched by these rich peoplle "bllessing" us with their new streaming service is very naive imo, especialllly when it comes with a high price. Sadlly or not, the publlic does not care if the artists are wellll-paid or not. I'm with you. That whole "art vs. technology" pitch seemed far more appropriate for other musicians. People in entertainment fields are known for resenting and/or thumbing their noses at people who get a piece of the pie without having the artistic or athletic skill, and I could certainly see these artists feeling more comfortable working with a service run by one of them than with a service run by a San Francisco tech geek. But, you're right, that doesn't mean much to a consumer. And it's especially weird to bash the value of tech experts in this case, because they're the ones who consumers will trust to create the best possible user interfaces and streaming experiences. No, I wouldn't trust some start-up guy to MAKE music -- but I'd trust him to come up with a system for delivering music. And, as others have said, the TIDAL announcement also falls short on artist-centric grounds. The profit participation is great for the 16 confirmed artists, but what about those who aren't signed? If each is getting 3% equity, there isn't much left to go around (I'd imagine there are contingencies to create more shares at a certain point - but that would devalue the existing equity stakes). That means that "sharing in the profit" won't be an option for future artists, who will have to rely entirely on the streaming compensation model. What is that model? Why is it better than Spotify's? And insofar as TIDAL's owners release their own music, what's to stop TIDAL from unfairly catering to them - and thus preventing other ones (particularly independents - or those who sign with Apple Beats) from maximizing their earnings? This doesn't pass muster on artist-centric or customer-centric grounds. The only hook comes from the value of the names involved.
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Post by Mack on Apr 1, 2015 17:35:41 GMT -5
Yeah, I'll just stick with Spotify. I'm not about to pay $20/month for a streaming service, especially because (1) my premium Spotify account costs half of that and (2) I doubt there's any truly noticeable difference in the music quality between Tidal and any of the other cheaper services. As for the videos...I'm good with Vevo and YouTube.
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Post by hitseeker. on Apr 2, 2015 11:59:30 GMT -5
Do Tidal streams already count towards a song's placement on the Billboard charts?
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Post by JOJO SIWA DERANGEMENT SYNDROME on Apr 2, 2015 13:21:57 GMT -5
On some of the tech blogs discussing this, they were claiming that artists would get more than they do with Spotify if a customer signs up for the $20 a month plan instead of the $10 one which in reality may pay the same or just a teeny tiny fraction more than Spotify.
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Post by Duca on Apr 2, 2015 17:58:45 GMT -5
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Post by hitseeker. on Apr 2, 2015 18:07:06 GMT -5
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Post by allow that on Apr 2, 2015 19:14:00 GMT -5
I've watched the press conference video a good half dozen times now, and while I can't put my finger on exactly what it is, there's just something soooo creepy about it all.
The only comfort is that Usher is there. I trust Usher.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2015 23:37:27 GMT -5
I've watched the press conference video a good half dozen times now, and while I can't put my finger on exactly what it is, there's just something soooo creepy about it all. The only comfort is that Usher is there. I trust Usher. he doesn't strike me as one who makes bad investments so I trust his instinct for the potential. but otherwise? pshhh, that negro knows where bodies are buried. he's probably the illuminati parliamentarian or some s**t.
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Post by Me. I Am l!nk!nfan815... on Apr 3, 2015 8:47:10 GMT -5
I've watched the press conference video a good half dozen times now, and while I can't put my finger on exactly what it is, there's just something soooo creepy about it all. The only comfort is that Usher is there. I trust Usher. Indeed. I'm surprise they didn't prick their fingers leaving behind bloody fingerprints as they were signing the "declaration"...
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Post by Rican@ on Apr 3, 2015 11:18:57 GMT -5
I've watched the press conference video a good half dozen times now, and while I can't put my finger on exactly what it is, there's just something soooo creepy about it all. The only comfort is that Usher is there. I trust Usher. And Alicia for me. It is shocking she involved herself in this (maybe Swizz's influence)
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Post by allow that on Apr 3, 2015 11:45:40 GMT -5
I've watched the press conference video a good half dozen times now, and while I can't put my finger on exactly what it is, there's just something soooo creepy about it all. The only comfort is that Usher is there. I trust Usher. And Alicia for me. It is shocking she involved herself in this (maybe Swizz's influence) Alicia's pretty much been the front woman of TIDAL though. Even aside from her speech, she's beating the TIDAL horse even more than Jay & Bey across her social media channels. I find it suspicious.
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Post by kanimal on Apr 3, 2015 12:06:03 GMT -5
It's certainly better than the press conference, but it's still not really telling me about the value for customers (other than some very loose, ambiguous overtures to live concerts and talent discovery). In that sense, this article only solidifies the idea that it's basically Spotify with the caveat that you're giving your money to Jay Z, Nicki, Madonna, etc rather than to Daniel Ek. They talk about better royalty rates but don't elaborate much on pay structures or anything. Plus, that's more of a concern for artists than it is for consumers (it's not like mass waves of people boycotted Spotify & Pandora after the Taylor Swift and Aloe Blacc rants).
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Post by Oprah on Apr 3, 2015 12:44:40 GMT -5
The faux outrage to this is a little stupid imo. I think the social justice advertising is very lame and kind of insulting but I almost get it. I do think it's a misstep that they have the most successful and rich celebrities as the faces of this service (probably to draw immediate buzz and attention). The line-up should've been Tove Lo, Tinashe, Migos and PartyNextDoor because that's who gets screwed over by Spotify paying .0000000001 cents per stream. This whole roll-out reminds me of an anti-piracy campaign from a decade or so ago which featured a bunch of A-listers complaining about illegally downloading movies and music took money out of their pockets. That one got pulled real quick.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2015 15:18:10 GMT -5
Rich people who complain about money while they ask for my money so they can make more money has never interested me in the least. When i see the benefit for COCO then i will be interested.
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