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Post by vipanonymous on Apr 3, 2015 21:06:36 GMT -5
Glad my favs don't participate in this BS. Lily Allen slammed Jay-Z on Twitter ♥ Love ha.
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Post by chillpill on Apr 4, 2015 0:58:24 GMT -5
Glad my favs don't participate in this BS. Lily Allen slammed Jay-Z on Twitter ♥ Love ha. I wished you would have posted receipts. Now I have to google her twitter and look for that tweet.
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Post by allow that on Apr 4, 2015 16:40:36 GMT -5
I wished you would have posted receipts. Now I have to google her twitter and look for that tweet. omg that's so labor intensive I feel for ya. ANYWAY:
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Post by vipanonymous on Apr 4, 2015 19:29:55 GMT -5
Also
Case Closed.
The Beyoncé exclusive new Tidal song, it's kinda embarassing after all, just because people said she doesn't play any instruments, now she comes playing piano on a song she probably didn't write a single word. sad/
Just to be clear, I DO NOT HATE BEYONCÉ. But saying that this Tidal mess is here to universalize music... BS... They here for the $$$ and even more control over the market.
#TIDALforBLUE
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Post by Live Your Life on Apr 4, 2015 21:08:07 GMT -5
I curious to know which celebrities opted not to participate in this and why? Kendrick Lamar said Jay came to him and spoke to him about it, but he's not apart of it. I'm also surprised Taylor Swift and Justin Timberlake weren't at the press conference.
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Post by allow that on Apr 5, 2015 9:18:26 GMT -5
I curious to know which celebrities opted not to participate in this and why? Kendrick Lamar said Jay came to him and spoke to him about it, but he's not apart of it. I'm also surprised Taylor Swift and Justin Timberlake weren't at the press conference. I've been wondering the same thing. Justin surprises me because his business friendship with Jay-Z is well documented. I feel that Taylor feels too strongly about 1989 not being available for streaming that she'd look like an ass if she stood there, but she's still with the Tidal 16 enough so that they have all of her back catalog. I've also heard that Drake was very close to involvement so I wonder what changed that. I'm also surprised Madonna is the only 100% pop female on the list and someone like Gaga, Katy, or even Pink weren't involved. If the intention was to elect stakeholders to close in on all angles of market share, then Madonna is hardly a draw for pure pop fans below age 40. But I suppose Rihanna & Beyonce target this audience as well.
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Post by Disco🌶️📖 on Apr 5, 2015 13:53:51 GMT -5
Justin surprises me because his business friendship with Jay-Z is well documented. There had been talk of Justin doing something with Apple's new streaming service.
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Post by ¤ Matthea ¤ on Apr 6, 2015 11:12:49 GMT -5
So, Jay Z's debut album "Reasonable Doubt" is no longer available on Spotify. It's still available on Deezer.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2015 11:26:51 GMT -5
Every single aspect of Tidal seems to revolve around cash and self-importance.
I get what they're trying to accomplish, but it comes off as a self-indulgent, money grab for rich artists, rather than artists who are in touch with the average music consumer.
Bye, Felicia
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Post by Disco🌶️📖 on Apr 7, 2015 0:26:28 GMT -5
An artist I know who was on a major label in the 90s into the early 2000s left that label to create her own and do it all by herself. She won't put her music on any of the streaming services because the amount of money to be made is so little. And she is now contemplating removing whatever music she has on iTunes and Amazon too because she claims that she isn't being paid regularly by them (and her stuff is selling enough to have some money generated). She also says that one digital music store that closed a few years back had never ever paid her a penny, but they insisted that no one was buying her music.
Her plan is to start selling the singles, albums, and remix EPs on her own site so she can keep nearly all of the money as she wrote and produced the majority of the material she has available. She advises other artists to do something similar.
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Post by Duca on Apr 8, 2015 12:49:18 GMT -5
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Post by Flip on Apr 8, 2015 13:00:51 GMT -5
It's so stupid that now a lot songs and even whole albums are not available on Spotify, but are only listenable on TIDAL. I think all music should be available for all streaming services. In the close future, it could become like this:
Imagine: in a country, there are two grocery stores. In grocery store A, there are no bananas, so you will have to get them in store B. But in store B, there are no apples, so you'll have to get them in store A.
This is like the worst example ever, but I hope you get my point.
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Post by when the pawn... on Apr 8, 2015 13:17:38 GMT -5
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Post by YourFaveIsAFlop on Apr 8, 2015 13:20:33 GMT -5
As I said before, I really dont think this is about pulling these artists off of other streaming services longterm. They are trying to get leverage to get a bigger sale price when Apple or Spotify decides to buy them out. With no technical or brand superiority, the only leverage that they have is the product itself, the music on the service.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2015 15:15:10 GMT -5
As I said before, I really dont think this is about pulling these artists off of other streaming services longterm. They are trying to get leverage to get a bigger sale price when Apple or Spotify decides to buy them out. With no technical or brand superiority, the only leverage that they have is the product itself, the music on the service. If this is correct, the hubris involved in this is tenfold when you consider that Jay thinks the music itself will command a higher sale. This only works if consumers care about these artists enough to download a streaming service for a song that hasn't been uploaded anywhere else. Beyonce arguably had the most pull on that stage if you just want to go off the basis of each artist's most recent album's sales, and it feels like the music world has been on pins and needles waiting for R8. Yet general media is not buzzing about Die With You or American Oxygen, and people aren't rushing to hear these songs. If Jay can't attract people to even try out the streaming service for two of the biggest women in music today, how can he expect Apple or Spotify to cough up more money for those songs? They're clearly not generating any money or drumming up new customers. At this point the only thing he has as a small bargaining chip is Taylor's back catalog, and I'm not even sure that would mean much. I think there were other ways to try to promote Tidal better than this - even the 'exclusive' thing could be spun to advantage if done right - but they continue to drop the ball, and the reaction has been so universally negative from the start that I don't think Tidal will ever really recover.
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Post by YourFaveIsAFlop on Apr 8, 2015 15:29:12 GMT -5
I have no problem with exclusive content. Spotify has exclusive content all the time too, with live performances, exclusive remixes, and the occasional exclusive track. They premier new tracks all the time too. But they use exclusives as a carrot to sweeten the Spotify experience, while Tidal uses exclusives as a stick to shame consumers into switching services.
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Post by allow that on Apr 8, 2015 16:19:39 GMT -5
It's so stupid that now a lot songs and even whole albums are not available on Spotify, but are only listenable on TIDAL. I think all music should be available for all streaming services. TIDAL's mentality seems like the modern equivalent of how labels used to suppress releasing singles back in the day so consumers were forced to buy albums. That led to the rise illegal downloads. Thing is: music is fluid whether top earning artists and their labels admit it or not. The public found a way to get around their lack of access to music back then. They'll find a way around it in the future too if it becomes a real issue. I have no problem with exclusive content. Spotify has exclusive content all the time too, with live performances, exclusive remixes, and the occasional exclusive track. They premier new tracks all the time too. But they use exclusives as a carrot to sweeten the Spotify experience, while Tidal uses exclusives as a stick to shame consumers into switching services. There's a difference between exclusive content such as live performances, remixes, or rarities. But new singles, albums, or videos dropping from major acts as "exclusive content" is bulls**t and the public isn't dumb enough to fall for that for long.
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Post by Kinney on Apr 8, 2015 16:46:04 GMT -5
At this point the only thing he has as a small bargaining chip is Taylor's back catalog, and I'm not even sure that would mean much. Actually he doesn't. Her back catalogue has always been available on other pay-only streaming sites (i.e., it's available on Beats, Rdio, and Rhapsody I believe), including Tidal when it was known as TidalHiFi/WiMP. Hits had an article a while back about Apple reaching out to a few select stars for an unknown deal and that they were considering buying Big Machine. The BM buyout was officially denied by the Apple, but I think they might be inking a deal for Taylor's exclusive streaming rights. I also read another rumor that they were trying to get Adele for exclusive sale/streaming rights, but who knows what's happening at this point. To get the two biggest musical acts in the world would be quite the way for Apple to enter the streaming business with a bang.
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Post by Linnethia Monique on Apr 8, 2015 17:09:23 GMT -5
At this point the only thing he has as a small bargaining chip is Taylor's back catalog, and I'm not even sure that would mean much. Actually he doesn't. Her back catalogue has always been available on other pay-only streaming sites (i.e., it's available on Beats, Rdio, and Rhapsody I believe), including Tidal when it was known as TidalHiFi/WiMP. Hits had an article a while back about Apple reaching out to a few select stars for an unknown deal and that they were considering buying Big Machine. The BM buyout was officially denied by the Apple, but I think they might be inking a deal for Taylor's exclusive streaming rights. I also read another rumor that they were trying to get Adele for exclusive sale/streaming rights, but who knows what's happening at this point. To get the two biggest musical acts in the world would be quite the way for Apple to enter the streaming business with a bang. Jay-Z, Coldplay, Beyonce, Justin Timberlake, Taylor, etc. were all apart of the initial "Apple Talks", but somehow King Camel Hova got to some of the major players during the discussion for his own service. Something with the numbers must not have resonated with them.
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Post by Kinney on Apr 8, 2015 17:43:49 GMT -5
^ Yea, that's the article I was talking about. I remember it had a picture of Bey/Jay/Justin/Taylor and mentioned the others.
Jay-Z clearly tried to get Adele/Taylor to buy into Tidal as well (I saw some paparazzi shots of them leaving a restaurant one after the other with files/papers, same with Taylor), but something clearly didn't work for them. I'm anxious for Apple to launch their service, I want to see what they have to offer and how they can properly compete with Spotify. I wonder if they plan to offer certain exclusives like Tidal is currently doing, or whether will have exclusive rights to artists catalogues.
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Post by ¤ Matthea ¤ on Apr 8, 2015 17:49:09 GMT -5
^ Yea, that's the article I was talking about. I remember it had a picture of Bey/Jay/Justin/Taylor and mentioned the others. Jay-Z clearly tried to get Adele/Taylor to buy into Tidal as well (I saw some paparazzi shots of them leaving a restaurant one after the other with files/papers, same with Taylor), but something clearly didn't work for them. I'm anxious for Apple to launch their service, I want to see what they have to offer and how they can properly compete with Spotify. I wonder if they plan to offer certain exclusives like Tidal is currently doing, or whether will have exclusive rights to artists catalogues. I'm sure Apple is watching the Tidal situation. The backlash will probably make them re-think their strategy. They can see now that "exclusives" don't really work. Everything is all over the internet in minutes.
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Post by Daryl the Beryl on Apr 14, 2015 22:45:19 GMT -5
Will not be using this. No thanks Hova.
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Post by YourFaveIsAFlop on Apr 16, 2015 21:19:01 GMT -5
Kind of hard to promote your service through Rihanna exclusives when they go on competitor services a week later
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Post by Relaxing Cup on Apr 17, 2015 1:39:57 GMT -5
So, is TIDAL over? has it started? I'm so confused.
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Post by allow that on Apr 17, 2015 10:44:28 GMT -5
So, is TIDAL over? has it started? I'm so confused. All of the above.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2015 12:17:47 GMT -5
I still don't even know what this is, how it's different from its competitors, and why I should even care.
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Post by Hurricane Lee on Apr 17, 2015 12:25:25 GMT -5
Mumford and Sons and Ben Gibbard (from Death Cab for Cutie) have spoken out against this service publicly. They better lock their doors, sprinkle holy water around their property and pray their pets and children don't disappear into the night...
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Post by YourFaveIsAFlop on Apr 17, 2015 13:32:50 GMT -5
What did they say about it?
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Post by Duca on Apr 17, 2015 14:03:43 GMT -5
Jay Z has been calling his fans personally and thanking them for using his new music streaming service Business InsiderJay Z has been taking a unique approach to customer service for his music streaming service Tidal. Tidal executive Vania Schlogel told Business Insider that Jay Z has been personally calling people who use the site.Schlogel said that "he called some of his fans and one of them made the funniest comment. He said 'This is the best customer service call I’ve ever received!'" But it isn't just Jay Z who has been calling Tidal subscribers. Jack White and several other high-profile musicians have also been calling their fans up to talk.Musicians involved in Tidal are given their own accounts on the site which they can use to monitor who listens to their music, and to see statistics about how their albums are performing. Schlogel says that part of that system is the ability to see contact information of users so that musicians can get in touch with them directly.Jay Z has been playing a big role in the development of Tidal, which he acquired for $56 million in March. Parent company Aspiro operated two different streaming services: WiMP and Tidal, but they have been combined into a single product. Schlogel says that Jay Z is "very deeply involved, and the reason being is because this is a life project for him." She went on to say that "he works every day" on the site.
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Post by Hurricane Lee on Apr 17, 2015 14:16:37 GMT -5
Basically, they said it was bullshit and that smaller, independent bands (aka the ones that actually need the money) should be the ones spearheading this. Nothing we haven't seen on Pulse but it was nice to see one of the biggest bands right now and a beloved band that started indie and went to the majors speak up.
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